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Quick question -
What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? |
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"rangerssuck" wrote in message ... Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? If no one answers this with updated information, I can tell you how it was 10 years ago, which is roughly the last time I had to research and write about OSHA and small business. Unless it's changed, though, nothing is likely to happen unless someone complains. Technically, all businesses are (or were) subject to the "General Duty Clause" (you can Google that up, with quotes), but there isn't much of a compliance requirement for small business. Clearly those are "recognized hazards." In general, OSHA is very easy on small business. They updated their compliance approach in the mid-'90s, and it depended mostly upon cooperation between OSHA and employers, and mostly voluntary compliance. -- Ed Huntress |
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"rangerssuck" wrote in message
... Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). Haven't you heard? Effing dead leaves are TOXIC!!! These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? Probably in theory, but not in practice, for sundry reasons. I'm sure, tho, that effing OSHA would love another reason/industry to justify its existance AND its elegant fine/penalty structure. Revenue, donchaknow.... Surprisingly, tho, noise does seem to be very very low on any municipality's or bureacracy's list of priorities, despite the revenue-raising potential. The reason is a delectable piece of conspiracy theory: Giving us peace and quiet, or any diminution of "the chaos", might allow us (the social rank and file, the (m)asses) to think clearly, and actually come up with some workable plan of re-action regarding our institutionalized ass****ings. Ergo, a strife that is actually fostered in the (m)asses, quite akin to the NYPD/FBI infiltration of the various politica/social/acitivist groups in the '60s, to sabotage/disrupt those groups from within. Ergo, no official language in the US, to further limit cooperative effort amongst the (m)asses. Thus, the pandering in spanish. Lest this sound like linguistic xenophobia, it's not, cuz I am (or was) semi-fluent in spanish, and full fluency is but a Berlitz-course away (now Rosetta stone), so I don't really care one way or the other. I'd just like a choice to be made, and stuck to. Plus, I actually love a language that openly endorses the illogic of the double negative. Chupa me, mami, chupame.... So inyway, enjoy those leaf blowers. I know I do. So much so that I'm soon to get wireless mics, and Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre speakers mounted on my roof, so when I mow/leaf blow my effing lawn, I'll be returning the fukn aural favor, but at 175 decibels. Noise, language, RealityTV, sitcoms, crime shows, very bad music, P Diddy, Trump, effing fashion, you name it, these are all standard tools and devices in the repertoire of The Art and Science of the Mind****. We are ultimately just clay pidgeons in a skeet shoot, except these mutha****as don't even have to aim, because the shotgun is stuck 12" up our asses. iow, for the metaphorically challenged, they cain't possibly miss. When the powers-dat-were saw Woodstock, they got a collective chubby so intense and so hard, you could see boardroom conference tables all across Merka just rise up 6 to 9 inches. And they've been ejaculating ever since, with nary a moment required for a refractory period. iow, for the physiology/anatomy challenged, a *non-stop* ass/mind****ing, since 1968. -- EA |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... "rangerssuck" wrote in message ... Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? If no one answers this with updated information, I can tell you how it was 10 years ago, which is roughly the last time I had to research and write about OSHA and small business. Unless it's changed, though, nothing is likely to happen unless someone complains. Technically, all businesses are (or were) subject to the "General Duty Clause" (you can Google that up, with quotes), but there isn't much of a compliance requirement for small business. Clearly those are "recognized hazards." In general, OSHA is very easy on small business. They updated their compliance approach in the mid-'90s, and it depended mostly upon cooperation between OSHA and employers, and mostly voluntary compliance. Altho, with bank-invented notion of "penalty pricing" (invented by Mehta, of Providian), this may all change. Get ready for your drivers' license fee to be $5,000. But wait..... it IS about $5,000/year, when you factor in the penalty pricing/ass****ing of ANY paper infraction (expirations, etc), insurance, the parking ticket/moving violation/insurance scam, the inspection/emissions scam, etc etc. -- EA -- Ed Huntress |
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On May 4, 10:55*am, "Existential Angst"
wrote: "rangerssuck" wrote in message ... Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). Haven't you heard? Effing dead leaves are TOXIC!!! These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? Probably in theory, but not in practice, for sundry reasons. I'm sure, tho, that effing OSHA would love another reason/industry to justify its existance AND its elegant fine/penalty structure. Revenue, donchaknow.... Surprisingly, tho, noise does seem to be very very low on any municipality's or bureacracy's list of priorities, despite the revenue-raising potential.. The reason is a delectable piece of conspiracy theory: Giving us peace and quiet, or any diminution of "the chaos", might allow us (the social rank and file, the (m)asses) to think clearly, and actually come up with some workable plan of re-action regarding our institutionalized ass****ings. Ergo, a strife that is actually fostered in the (m)asses, quite akin to the NYPD/FBI infiltration of the various politica/social/acitivist groups in the '60s, to sabotage/disrupt those groups from within. Ergo, no official language in the US, to further limit cooperative effort amongst the (m)asses. *Thus, the pandering in spanish. Lest this sound like linguistic xenophobia, it's not, cuz I am (or was) semi-fluent in spanish, and full fluency is but a Berlitz-course away (now Rosetta stone), so I don't really care one way or the other. I'd just like a choice to be made, and stuck to. Plus, I actually love a language that openly endorses the illogic of the double negative. Chupa me, mami, chupame.... So inyway, enjoy those leaf blowers. *I know I do. So much so that I'm soon to get wireless mics, and Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre speakers mounted on my roof, so when I mow/leaf blow my effing lawn, I'll be returning the fukn aural favor, but at 175 decibels. Noise, language, RealityTV, sitcoms, crime shows, very bad music, P Diddy, Trump, effing fashion, you name it, these are all standard tools and devices in the repertoire of *The Art and Science of the Mind****. We are ultimately just clay pidgeons in a skeet shoot, except these mutha****as don't even have to aim, because *the shotgun is stuck 12" up our asses. *iow, for the metaphorically challenged, they cain't possibly miss. When the powers-dat-were saw Woodstock, they got a collective chubby so intense and so hard, you could see boardroom conference tables all across Merka just rise up 6 to 9 inches. And they've been ejaculating ever since, with nary a moment required for a refractory period. iow, for the physiology/anatomy challenged, a *non-stop* ass/mind****ing, since 1968. -- EA Hey, I've got my own share of angst, too. I agree with most of what you said - the parts I don't agree with are the parts I just couldn't wrap my limited understanding around right now. It must be busy in your head. As for the effing leaf blowers, I'm thinking that, since there don't appear to be any laws regulating their noise between the hours of 8am and 9pm (in my town, anyway), I'm going to record them the next time, and then play them back when the neighbors are actually home. At the same volume as they were live. I DARE someone to complain about the noise. Honest to ****. FIVE leaf blowers to clear maybe 2000 square feet. of lawn, and another couple of hundred square feet of garden. |
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On Tue, 4 May 2010 08:52:11 -0700 (PDT), Phillip Vogel
wrote: On May 4, 10:55*am, "Existenti Honest to ****. FIVE leaf blowers to clear maybe 2000 square feet. of lawn, and another couple of hundred square feet of garden. Bet they got done, (and quiet) in no time flat. Thank You, Randy Remove 333 from email address to reply. |
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On Tue, 4 May 2010 06:50:28 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote: Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? I beleive OSHA laws kick in fully if you have 50 or more employees. Less than 50 and OSHA will only respond to complaints against an employer. Thank You, Randy Remove 333 from email address to reply. |
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On May 5, 8:46*am, Randy wrote:
On Tue, 4 May 2010 08:52:11 -0700 (PDT), Phillip Vogel wrote: On May 4, 10:55*am, "Existenti Honest to ****. FIVE leaf blowers to clear maybe 2000 square feet. of lawn, and another couple of hundred square feet of garden. Bet they got done, (and quiet) in no time flat. Thank You, Randy Remove 333 from email address to reply. Bet they didn't. At LEAST a half hour of that racket. I know, because I put off a customer phone call as it was just too damned noisy in here. Seriously - these guys came in two dump trucks with trailers and a pickup truck, You'd think they could have finished in 15 seconds. But you'd be wrong. They spend the time chasing single leaves and a couple of blades of grass. The bitch of it is that there's nothing they accomplished that couldn't have been done at least as well with a rake and a broom. Mind you, this was not an isolated incident - it's just the one that occurred yesterday morning, and the first time THIS neighbor used THIS landscaper. All spring, summer and fall, I'll be treated to this cacaphony. Pretty much every day. |
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Randy wrote:
On Tue, 4 May 2010 06:50:28 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? I beleive OSHA laws kick in fully if you have 50 or more employees. Less than 50 and OSHA will only respond to complaints against an employer. Not to mention that getting employees to actually _use_ their safety equipment can be a battle in itself. Ear muffs and goggles are uncomfortable and unmanly. It's much better to be blind and deaf when you're old -- then you can't notice what your more able age-mates are doing with your wife while you're boasting about your youthful exploits. -- Tim Wescott Control system and signal processing consulting www.wescottdesign.com |
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"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
... Randy wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010 06:50:28 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? I beleive OSHA laws kick in fully if you have 50 or more employees. Less than 50 and OSHA will only respond to complaints against an employer. Not to mention that getting employees to actually _use_ their safety equipment can be a battle in itself. Ear muffs and goggles are uncomfortable and unmanly. It's much better to be blind and deaf when you're old -- then you can't notice what your more able age-mates are doing with your wife while you're boasting about your youthful exploits. Or you don't care. Rubber ear plugs are very good, not so uncomfortable in the heat. I use them at work, where they stay in for an hour at a time, and use good muffs in my shop, where they come on and off. I gotta remember to carry plugs wherever I go, cuz in NYC, between the subways and construction, you can go deaf just being a mass transit pedestrian. Also filters out some of the rap music. Incredible that we have to listen to that ****..... I think the thing that scares me the most, eye-wise, is the wire wheel. Strange, tho, I've never been pierced by a hurtling wire. They must make them really well. -- EA -- Tim Wescott Control system and signal processing consulting www.wescottdesign.com |
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"Existential Angst" wrote in message ... "Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... Randy wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010 06:50:28 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? I beleive OSHA laws kick in fully if you have 50 or more employees. Less than 50 and OSHA will only respond to complaints against an employer. Not to mention that getting employees to actually _use_ their safety equipment can be a battle in itself. Ear muffs and goggles are uncomfortable and unmanly. It's much better to be blind and deaf when you're old -- then you can't notice what your more able age-mates are doing with your wife while you're boasting about your youthful exploits. Or you don't care. Rubber ear plugs are very good, not so uncomfortable in the heat. I use them at work, where they stay in for an hour at a time, and use good muffs in my shop, where they come on and off. I gotta remember to carry plugs wherever I go, cuz in NYC, between the subways and construction, you can go deaf just being a mass transit pedestrian. Also filters out some of the rap music. Incredible that we have to listen to that ****..... I think the thing that scares me the most, eye-wise, is the wire wheel. Strange, tho, I've never been pierced by a hurtling wire. They must make them really well. -- EA huh! on numerous occasions i've plucked wire out of my clothes and/or embedded in my skin after using a cup brush on a angle grinder. that was an eye opener, so to speak. and finding stuff (twigs, straw, etc.) embedded in my clothes and/or skin flung from a weed whacker. i ALWAYS wear eye protection when using a cup brush or a weed whacker. i am flabbergasted when i see guys using a weed whacker without eye protection. jeez, story, something i feel/felt AWFUL about. i put a carbide saw blade on my weed whacker, works great on saplings. participated in a road side clean up. *I* had eye protection on, one of the guys who was working 15/20 feet away didn't. i hit a rock and something (maybe a carbide saw tip) hit him in the lip, cut open his lip. i mean, it wasn't BAD but he was bleeding. i felt AWFUL. (he did too.) i set out to do a good deed and ended up nearly possibly blinding someone(!). b.w. |
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"William Wixon" wrote in message
... "Existential Angst" wrote in message ... "Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... Randy wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010 06:50:28 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? I beleive OSHA laws kick in fully if you have 50 or more employees. Less than 50 and OSHA will only respond to complaints against an employer. Not to mention that getting employees to actually _use_ their safety equipment can be a battle in itself. Ear muffs and goggles are uncomfortable and unmanly. It's much better to be blind and deaf when you're old -- then you can't notice what your more able age-mates are doing with your wife while you're boasting about your youthful exploits. Or you don't care. Rubber ear plugs are very good, not so uncomfortable in the heat. I use them at work, where they stay in for an hour at a time, and use good muffs in my shop, where they come on and off. I gotta remember to carry plugs wherever I go, cuz in NYC, between the subways and construction, you can go deaf just being a mass transit pedestrian. Also filters out some of the rap music. Incredible that we have to listen to that ****..... I think the thing that scares me the most, eye-wise, is the wire wheel. Strange, tho, I've never been pierced by a hurtling wire. They must make them really well. -- EA huh! on numerous occasions i've plucked wire out of my clothes and/or embedded in my skin after using a cup brush on a angle grinder. that was an eye opener, so to speak. and finding stuff (twigs, straw, etc.) embedded in my clothes and/or skin flung from a weed whacker. i ALWAYS wear eye protection when using a cup brush or a weed whacker. i am flabbergasted when i see guys using a weed whacker without eye protection. jeez, story, something i feel/felt AWFUL about. i put a carbide saw blade on my weed whacker, works great on saplings. participated in a road side clean up. *I* had eye protection on, one of the guys who was working 15/20 feet away didn't. i hit a rock and something (maybe a carbide saw tip) hit him in the lip, cut open his lip. i mean, it wasn't BAD but he was bleeding. i felt AWFUL. (he did too.) i set out to do a good deed and ended up nearly possibly blinding someone(!). Someone said that a carbide tooth knocked off a sawblade can travel at the speed of a bullet. Just calc'd this out: On a 4600 rpm saw (my Skil), a tooth off a 7 1/4" blade will fly off at 1746 fps. A 3450 rpm RAS with a 10" blade is going at 1806 fps. Sheeit, you'll need goggles made out of Kevlar!! Yeah, I think bench-grinder wire wheels are made a little better than portable wheels. I have 3 craftsman wire wheels on a arbor to give some width/beef, and they just seem to last forever -- 10 years now, but with far from constant use. My portable wire wheels indeed wind up as nubs!! I guress the wires have to be going somewhere, eh?? Even a lawnmower without eye protection as asking for trouble. The wife is always picking grass/bark chips out of my eye.... -- EA b.w. |
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"Existential Angst" wrote in message ... Someone said that a carbide tooth knocked off a sawblade can travel at the speed of a bullet. Just calc'd this out: On a 4600 rpm saw (my Skil), a tooth off a 7 1/4" blade will fly off at 1746 fps. A 3450 rpm RAS with a 10" blade is going at 1806 fps. Sheeit, you'll need goggles made out of Kevlar!! Yeah, I think bench-grinder wire wheels are made a little better than portable wheels. I have 3 craftsman wire wheels on a arbor to give some width/beef, and they just seem to last forever -- 10 years now, but with far from constant use. My portable wire wheels indeed wind up as nubs!! I guress the wires have to be going somewhere, eh?? Even a lawnmower without eye protection as asking for trouble. The wife is always picking grass/bark chips out of my eye.... -- EA yeah, that too. two or three years ago i started wearing safety glasses while on the riding lawnmower (up till then i thought there was no danger). was mowing the grass, mower kicked up a hull from a hickory nut, bounced off the tree and hit me in the eye. ouch. i thought it had popped my eye out, didn't. i think that one had my eye all red (burst blood vessels) for days. learned my lesson. after that i read somewhere the most common injury from mowing the lawn is getting hit in the eye with objects hurled from the mower. b.w. |
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"William Wixon" wrote in message
... "Existential Angst" wrote in message ... Someone said that a carbide tooth knocked off a sawblade can travel at the speed of a bullet. Just calc'd this out: On a 4600 rpm saw (my Skil), a tooth off a 7 1/4" blade will fly off at 1746 fps. A 3450 rpm RAS with a 10" blade is going at 1806 fps. Sheeit, you'll need goggles made out of Kevlar!! Yeah, I think bench-grinder wire wheels are made a little better than portable wheels. I have 3 craftsman wire wheels on a arbor to give some width/beef, and they just seem to last forever -- 10 years now, but with far from constant use. My portable wire wheels indeed wind up as nubs!! I guress the wires have to be going somewhere, eh?? Even a lawnmower without eye protection as asking for trouble. The wife is always picking grass/bark chips out of my eye.... -- EA yeah, that too. two or three years ago i started wearing safety glasses while on the riding lawnmower (up till then i thought there was no danger). was mowing the grass, mower kicked up a hull from a hickory nut, bounced off the tree and hit me in the eye. ouch. i thought it had popped my eye out, didn't. i think that one had my eye all red (burst blood vessels) for days. learned my lesson. after that i read somewhere the most common injury from mowing the lawn is getting hit in the eye with objects hurled from the mower. Reminds me of when I stabbed myself in the eye with a plant, moving it for the wife. I was at the ophthalmologist every day at 9 am, for a week, cryin like a baby. He says, goddamm, I just can't seem to fix you up!! Turns out that organic scrapes can leave compounds in the eye, which just drive you crazy. He finally put in an "eye bandaid", which was simply a very thin clear contact, actually imperceptible. My effing cat came close to hooking my eyelid right offa my face!! goodgawd.... I'm thinking walking around not in goggles, but a full-face motorcycle helmet, with a lexan shield. -- EA b.w. |
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On Wed, 5 May 2010 21:42:50 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote: "William Wixon" wrote in message ... "Existential Angst" wrote in message ... Someone said that a carbide tooth knocked off a sawblade can travel at the speed of a bullet. Just calc'd this out: On a 4600 rpm saw (my Skil), a tooth off a 7 1/4" blade will fly off at 1746 fps. A 3450 rpm RAS with a 10" blade is going at 1806 fps. Sheeit, you'll need goggles made out of Kevlar!! Yeah, I think bench-grinder wire wheels are made a little better than portable wheels. I have 3 craftsman wire wheels on a arbor to give some width/beef, and they just seem to last forever -- 10 years now, but with far from constant use. My portable wire wheels indeed wind up as nubs!! I guress the wires have to be going somewhere, eh?? Even a lawnmower without eye protection as asking for trouble. The wife is always picking grass/bark chips out of my eye.... -- EA yeah, that too. two or three years ago i started wearing safety glasses while on the riding lawnmower (up till then i thought there was no danger). was mowing the grass, mower kicked up a hull from a hickory nut, bounced off the tree and hit me in the eye. ouch. i thought it had popped my eye out, didn't. i think that one had my eye all red (burst blood vessels) for days. learned my lesson. after that i read somewhere the most common injury from mowing the lawn is getting hit in the eye with objects hurled from the mower. Reminds me of when I stabbed myself in the eye with a plant, moving it for the wife. I was at the ophthalmologist every day at 9 am, for a week, cryin like a baby. He says, goddamm, I just can't seem to fix you up!! Turns out that organic scrapes can leave compounds in the eye, which just drive you crazy. He finally put in an "eye bandaid", which was simply a very thin clear contact, actually imperceptible. My effing cat came close to hooking my eyelid right offa my face!! goodgawd.... I'm thinking walking around not in goggles, but a full-face motorcycle helmet, with a lexan shield. Whacking weeds one day I got into some moss, nice little droplet of juice hit my right eye. Burned like the devil for about two weeks. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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Oooops..... OSHA?
"Existential Angst" wrote in message
... "William Wixon" wrote in message ... "Existential Angst" wrote in message ... "Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... Randy wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010 06:50:28 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? I beleive OSHA laws kick in fully if you have 50 or more employees. Less than 50 and OSHA will only respond to complaints against an employer. Not to mention that getting employees to actually _use_ their safety equipment can be a battle in itself. Ear muffs and goggles are uncomfortable and unmanly. It's much better to be blind and deaf when you're old -- then you can't notice what your more able age-mates are doing with your wife while you're boasting about your youthful exploits. Or you don't care. Rubber ear plugs are very good, not so uncomfortable in the heat. I use them at work, where they stay in for an hour at a time, and use good muffs in my shop, where they come on and off. I gotta remember to carry plugs wherever I go, cuz in NYC, between the subways and construction, you can go deaf just being a mass transit pedestrian. Also filters out some of the rap music. Incredible that we have to listen to that ****..... I think the thing that scares me the most, eye-wise, is the wire wheel. Strange, tho, I've never been pierced by a hurtling wire. They must make them really well. -- EA huh! on numerous occasions i've plucked wire out of my clothes and/or embedded in my skin after using a cup brush on a angle grinder. that was an eye opener, so to speak. and finding stuff (twigs, straw, etc.) embedded in my clothes and/or skin flung from a weed whacker. i ALWAYS wear eye protection when using a cup brush or a weed whacker. i am flabbergasted when i see guys using a weed whacker without eye protection. jeez, story, something i feel/felt AWFUL about. i put a carbide saw blade on my weed whacker, works great on saplings. participated in a road side clean up. *I* had eye protection on, one of the guys who was working 15/20 feet away didn't. i hit a rock and something (maybe a carbide saw tip) hit him in the lip, cut open his lip. i mean, it wasn't BAD but he was bleeding. i felt AWFUL. (he did too.) i set out to do a good deed and ended up nearly possibly blinding someone(!). Someone said that a carbide tooth knocked off a sawblade can travel at the speed of a bullet. Just calc'd this out: On a 4600 rpm saw (my Skil), a tooth off a 7 1/4" blade will fly off at 1746 fps. A 3450 rpm RAS with a 10" blade is going at 1806 fps. Sheeit, you'll need goggles made out of Kevlar!! HEY, don't you all check people's calculations???? BottleBob emailed me, pointed out that I forgot to divide by 12. Goodgawd.... So those fps numbers should be reduced be a factor of 12, which puts them in the 100 mph range -- fast, but not deadly, unless it's in yer eye. Altho, if the edge of the projectile was sharp, and hit the neck, might could nick the jugular vein, with some big problems. God would really have to be ****ed off at you, tho. OK, there goes the bullet theory..... -- EA Yeah, I think bench-grinder wire wheels are made a little better than portable wheels. I have 3 craftsman wire wheels on a arbor to give some width/beef, and they just seem to last forever -- 10 years now, but with far from constant use. My portable wire wheels indeed wind up as nubs!! I guress the wires have to be going somewhere, eh?? Even a lawnmower without eye protection as asking for trouble. The wife is always picking grass/bark chips out of my eye.... -- EA b.w. |
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OSHA?
rangerssuck wrote:
Quick question - What companies are regulated by OSHA? I'm sitting here watching John's Landscaping Contracting, Inc. do my neighbors yard. Forget for the moment that they are using five people with five leaf blowers to chase a few leaves off a 50' x 100' plot (that's total size, including the house). These people have no ear protection, no eye protection, no dust masks, no gloves. They are using leaf blowers, chain saws, weed whackers, a lawn mower big enough to do Giants Stadium and a chipper, all without the benefit of any of the aforementioned safety equipment. If it's noisy enough in my office, with the windows and doors closed that I won't be able to have a phone conversation until they're done, it's just common sense that these people's hearing is in danger, not to mention their eyes, lungs and hands. Now, I know that most of them (though probably not John himself) are probably illegal aliens, and many of you think they should be used up and then thrown away, but in general, are there ANY laws concerning worker safety that apply to such an operation? State laws vary, but the federal OSHA laws do apply to landscaping businesses - http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/landscaping/standards.html including "Occupational noise exposure". The feds don't really enforce it though - there were only 19 citations between Oct 08 and Sep 09 - http://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/citedst...al&p_sic =078 Steve |
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