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In article arpgb.701417$uu5.115419@sccrnsc04, Loren Coe wrote:
In article , Doug White wrote:
I just moved into a new home near Boston, and I need a set of pull-down
attic stairs. I had a really nice set installed about 10 years ago in my
old place, and have been trying for TWO MONTHS to find someone who would

have you found _any_ attic ladders? i have not looked for 15yrs, but
the ones i have installed/used are all wood and come only for 8' drop.

There are lots of US made ones. Ones with ratty 1/4" plywood doors, no
toe clearance, no insulation, & no weatherstriping. They are either made
of wood, weigh a lot (which them requires heavy springs to argue with),
or they are made of thin aluminum. All of them are rickety.

My old stairs were very easy to drop down, and were very sturdy. Going
up in the attic didn't feel like a risky proposition to be done in
emergencies. I kept lots of stuff up in the attic that I would access a
couple times a month.

Doug White

In article , Doug White wrote:
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In article arpgb.701417$uu5.115419@sccrnsc04, Loren Coe wrote:
In article , Doug White wrote:
I just moved into a new home near Boston, and I need a set of pull-down
attic stairs. I had a really nice set installed about 10 years ago in my
old place, and have been trying for TWO MONTHS to find someone who would

have you found _any_ attic ladders? i have not looked for 15yrs, but
the ones i have installed/used are all wood and come only for 8' drop.

There are lots of US made ones. Ones with ratty 1/4" plywood doors, no
toe clearance, no insulation, & no weatherstriping. They are either made
of wood, weigh a lot (which them requires heavy springs to argue with),
or they are made of thin aluminum. All of them are rickety.

My old stairs were very easy to drop down, and were very sturdy. Going
up in the attic didn't feel like a risky proposition to be done in
emergencies. I kept lots of stuff up in the attic that I would access a
couple times a month. Doug White

i see your point, but why are you blaming the lawyers/osha? i cannot
get back to your op. --Loren

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In article , Loren Coe wrote:
In article , Doug White wrote:
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In article arpgb.701417$uu5.115419@sccrnsc04, Loren Coe
wrote:
In article , Doug White wrote:
I just moved into a new home near Boston, and I need a set of pull-down
attic stairs. I had a really nice set installed about 10 years ago in my
old place, and have been trying for TWO MONTHS to find someone who would

have you found _any_ attic ladders? i have not looked for 15yrs, but
the ones i have installed/used are all wood and come only for 8' drop.

There are lots of US made ones. Ones with ratty 1/4" plywood doors, no
toe clearance, no insulation, & no weatherstriping. They are either made
of wood, weigh a lot (which them requires heavy springs to argue with),
or they are made of thin aluminum. All of them are rickety.

My old stairs were very easy to drop down, and were very sturdy. Going
up in the attic didn't feel like a risky proposition to be done in
emergencies. I kept lots of stuff up in the attic that I would access a
couple times a month. Doug White

i see your point, but why are you blaming the lawyers/osha? i cannot
get back to your op. --Loren

The European company that makes the really nice one won't sell it
to me because they don't have "liability coverage" in the US.

Doug White

"Doug White" wrote in message
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In article , Loren Coe
wrote:
In article , Doug White wrote:
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In article arpgb.701417$uu5.115419@sccrnsc04, Loren Coe
wrote:
In article , Doug White wrote:
I just moved into a new home near Boston, and I need a set of
pull-down
attic stairs. I had a really nice set installed about 10 years ago
in my
old place, and have been trying for TWO MONTHS to find someone who
would

have you found _any_ attic ladders? i have not looked for 15yrs, but
the ones i have installed/used are all wood and come only for 8' drop.

There are lots of US made ones. Ones with ratty 1/4" plywood doors, no
toe clearance, no insulation, & no weatherstriping. They are either
made
of wood, weigh a lot (which them requires heavy springs to argue with),
or they are made of thin aluminum. All of them are rickety.

My old stairs were very easy to drop down, and were very sturdy. Going
up in the attic didn't feel like a risky proposition to be done in
emergencies. I kept lots of stuff up in the attic that I would access
a
couple times a month. Doug White

i see your point, but why are you blaming the lawyers/osha? i cannot
get back to your op. --Loren

The European company that makes the really nice one won't sell it
to me because they don't have "liability coverage" in the US.

Doug White

You really can't blame OSHA for this one, they don't care about your house.
Of course there are so many other things we can blame them for it really
doesn't matter.

JTMcC.

(Doug White) wrote in message ...

There are lots of US made ones. Ones with ratty 1/4" plywood doors, no
toe clearance, no insulation, & no weatherstriping. They are either made
of wood, weigh a lot (which them requires heavy springs to argue with),
or they are made of thin aluminum. All of them are rickety.

Hmmmm. IN defense of the "rickety" US made product, I have one. Yes,
when the bolts loosen up, I have to tighten them, yes the door is 1/4
inch plywood, but there's nothing preventing me from changing that,
four bolts. The springs are not a problem, unless someone is too lazy
to pull on the sash cord that brings it down. Harder, maybe
impossible to argue with, it's been there since the very early 1960's,
and my wife was no featherweight. As far as the "rickety", once my
weight is on it, the joints lock and it becomes quite rigid. Weather
stripping is still available at the local hardware store, also a
non-problem. The only thing it lacks, there is no snob appeal to it,
I can't point to it and brag about how much excess money I put into it
to avoid having to use an inferior domestic product. Forty years of
service for a forty buck ladder is not something you can argue with.

In article , Lennie the Lurker wrote:
(Doug White) wrote in message ...

There are lots of US made ones. Ones with ratty 1/4" plywood doors, no
toe clearance, no insulation, & no weatherstriping. They are either made
of wood, weigh a lot (which them requires heavy springs to argue with),
or they are made of thin aluminum. All of them are rickety.

Hmmmm. IN defense of the "rickety" US made product, I have one. Yes,
when the bolts loosen up, I have to tighten them, yes the door is 1/4
inch plywood, but there's nothing preventing me from changing that,
four bolts. The springs are not a problem, unless someone is too lazy
to pull on the sash cord that brings it down. Harder, maybe
impossible to argue with, it's been there since the very early 1960's,
and my wife was no featherweight. As far as the "rickety", once my
weight is on it, the joints lock and it becomes quite rigid. Weather
stripping is still available at the local hardware store, also a
non-problem. The only thing it lacks, there is no snob appeal to it,
I can't point to it and brag about how much excess money I put into it
to avoid having to use an inferior domestic product. Forty years of
service for a forty buck ladder is not something you can argue with.

and is likely the real reason there are no imports. if they wanted
into this market, they would surely comply to our regs. no, they
just don't see the math... --Loren

Lennie the Lurker wrote:

(Doug White) wrote in message ...

There are lots of US made ones. Ones with ratty 1/4" plywood doors, no
toe clearance, no insulation, & no weatherstriping. They are either made
of wood, weigh a lot (which them requires heavy springs to argue with),
or they are made of thin aluminum. All of them are rickety.

Hmmmm. IN defense of the "rickety" US made product, I have one. Yes,
when the bolts loosen up, I have to tighten them, yes the door is 1/4
inch plywood, but there's nothing preventing me from changing that,
four bolts. The springs are not a problem, unless someone is too lazy
to pull on the sash cord that brings it down. Harder, maybe
impossible to argue with, it's been there since the very early 1960's,
and my wife was no featherweight. As far as the "rickety", once my
weight is on it, the joints lock and it becomes quite rigid. Weather
stripping is still available at the local hardware store, also a
non-problem. The only thing it lacks, there is no snob appeal to it,
I can't point to it and brag about how much excess money I put into it
to avoid having to use an inferior domestic product. Forty years of
service for a forty buck ladder is not something you can argue with.
Hey Lennie, the one you put up 40 yrs. ago is not like the junk they
sell now.. i had one installed in my house when it was being built in
1970 ane a few years later i added a seond one in the garage... i was in
home depot and lowes looking at the ones they sell not for about
$100-$150 and they look like junk..to me.....the ones you and i have are
alot better, the wood seems thicker and the metal/springs seem to work
better??? i hope this is not all over for if i needed another one i
would not go to home depot or lowes but would check out some other
building material places or lumber yards...

In article ,
(Doug White) wrote:

The European company that makes the really nice one won't sell it
to me because they don't have "liability coverage" in the US.

Doug White

Find a net pal in europe to buy it and ship it to you.

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