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A.C. motor grease
I use a window air conditioner to keep my tools dry and myself cool
during the summer months. When I took it out last year the motor was squeaking. So this spring I disassembled it, greased up the motor, and put it back together. The bearings were completely dry. Not knowing what kind of grease to use, I put in wheel bearing grease. Toward the end of the year it started squeaking again. After I shut it off and later turned it on, the motor wouldn't run anymore. I was just going to pitch the whole thing, but decided on doing a post-mortem. The motor turned very stiffly. What grease was in there was very thick. After cleaning with WD-40, the motor spins ok. What would be a recommended grease for a motor like this with sleeve bearings? Or is the motor just going to fail again since it already has gone squeekers? Thanks, Wayne D. |
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:06:40 -0500, Wayne
wrote: I use a window air conditioner to keep my tools dry and myself cool during the summer months. When I took it out last year the motor was squeaking. So this spring I disassembled it, greased up the motor, and put it back together. The bearings were completely dry. Not knowing what kind of grease to use, I put in wheel bearing grease. Toward the end of the year it started squeaking again. After I shut it off and later turned it on, the motor wouldn't run anymore. I was just going to pitch the whole thing, but decided on doing a post-mortem. The motor turned very stiffly. What grease was in there was very thick. After cleaning with WD-40, the motor spins ok. What would be a recommended grease for a motor like this with sleeve bearings? Or is the motor just going to fail again since it already has gone squeekers? Thanks, Wayne D. Oil, not grease. A couple drops of synthetic motor oil would work just fine - or even standard motor oil. For small motors I've got a little needle dispenser of "DuraKote" lubricant that works very well. |
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AC guys like me use Zoom Spout Turbine Oil, which is
essentially ND-20. Also ND-30 will work. Now, you know why grease isn't used for electric motors. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Wayne" wrote in message ... I use a window air conditioner to keep my tools dry and myself cool during the summer months. When I took it out last year the motor was squeaking. So this spring I disassembled it, greased up the motor, and put it back together. The bearings were completely dry. Not knowing what kind of grease to use, I put in wheel bearing grease. Toward the end of the year it started squeaking again. After I shut it off and later turned it on, the motor wouldn't run anymore. I was just going to pitch the whole thing, but decided on doing a post-mortem. The motor turned very stiffly. What grease was in there was very thick. After cleaning with WD-40, the motor spins ok. What would be a recommended grease for a motor like this with sleeve bearings? Or is the motor just going to fail again since it already has gone squeekers? Thanks, Wayne D. |
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As long as it's non detergent.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... Oil, not grease. A couple drops of synthetic motor oil would work just fine - or even standard motor oil. For small motors I've got a little needle dispenser of "DuraKote" lubricant that works very well. |
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Stormin Mormon wrote: AC guys like me use Zoom Spout Turbine Oil, which is essentially ND-20. Also ND-30 will work. Now, you know why grease isn't used for electric motors. The furnace in my last house did. The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:06:40 -0500, Wayne
wrote: I use a window air conditioner to keep my tools dry and myself cool during the summer months. When I took it out last year the motor was squeaking. So this spring I disassembled it, greased up the motor, and put it back together. The bearings were completely dry. Not knowing what kind of grease to use, I put in wheel bearing grease. Toward the end of the year it started squeaking again. After I shut it off and later turned it on, the motor wouldn't run anymore. I was just going to pitch the whole thing, but decided on doing a post-mortem. The motor turned very stiffly. What grease was in there was very thick. After cleaning with WD-40, the motor spins ok. What would be a recommended grease for a motor like this with sleeve bearings? Or is the motor just going to fail again since it already has gone squeekers? Thanks, Wayne D. Oil, not grease. A couple drops of synthetic motor oil would work just fine - or even standard motor oil. For small motors I've got a little needle dispenser of "DuraKote" lubricant that works very well. So that's what I did wrong. All oiled up and running now, not that I'll need it until next year. Wayne D. |
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AC guys like me use Zoom Spout Turbine Oil, which is
essentially ND-20. Also ND-30 will work. Now, you know why grease isn't used for electric motors. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "Wayne" wrote in message ... I use a window air conditioner to keep my tools dry and myself cool during the summer months. When I took it out last year the motor was squeaking. So this spring I disassembled it, greased up the motor, and put it back together. The bearings were completely dry. Not knowing what kind of grease to use, I put in wheel bearing grease. Toward the end of the year it started squeaking again. After I shut it off and later turned it on, the motor wouldn't run anymore. I was just going to pitch the whole thing, but decided on doing a post-mortem. The motor turned very stiffly. What grease was in there was very thick. After cleaning with WD-40, the motor spins ok. What would be a recommended grease for a motor like this with sleeve bearings? Or is the motor just going to fail again since it already has gone squeekers? Thanks, Wayne D. I had some 30w ND from McMaster. Lo and behold the label said for use in electric motors! Wayne D. |
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:06:21 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: As long as it's non detergent. And that's not even so critical. Just about any oil is better than any grease!!! |
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:40:59 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Stormin Mormon wrote: AC guys like me use Zoom Spout Turbine Oil, which is essentially ND-20. Also ND-30 will work. Now, you know why grease isn't used for electric motors. The furnace in my last house did. The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. ANd it most likely did not have "sleeve" bearings. Most ball and roller bearing motors of years past used greese. |
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Wayne wrote:
What would be a recommended grease for a motor like this with sleeve bearings? SLEEVE bearings? No WONDER it didn't last! You don't GREASE sleeve bearings, you OIL them. There is probably a big wad of cotton stuff wrapped around the bearing. You have to take the time to soak that pad with oil, probably 10W or 20W non-detergent. Clean out the grease, oil the bearing heavily as you reassemble. Your use of grease may have gummed up the pores in the porous oilite bearing, so this may not work well anymore. I have re-lubed hundreds of old oilite bearings like this, and they usually last as long after the re-lube as they did the first time. Eventually, the bearing ID gets worn, the shaft gets rough, the pores get clogged and the wick gets gummed up, so it gets harder to repair. Jon |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
The furnace in my last house did. The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) ...lew... |
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:35:40 -0500, Wayne
wrote: On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:51:18 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:06:40 -0500, Wayne wrote: I use a window air conditioner to keep my tools dry and myself cool during the summer months. When I took it out last year the motor was squeaking. So this spring I disassembled it, greased up the motor, and put it back together. The bearings were completely dry. Not knowing what kind of grease to use, I put in wheel bearing grease. Toward the end of the year it started squeaking again. After I shut it off and later turned it on, the motor wouldn't run anymore. I was just going to pitch the whole thing, but decided on doing a post-mortem. The motor turned very stiffly. What grease was in there was very thick. After cleaning with WD-40, the motor spins ok. What would be a recommended grease for a motor like this with sleeve bearings? Or is the motor just going to fail again since it already has gone squeekers? Thanks, Wayne D. Oil, not grease. A couple drops of synthetic motor oil would work just fine - or even standard motor oil. For small motors I've got a little needle dispenser of "DuraKote" lubricant that works very well. Indeed. Standard operating procedure for Swamp Coolers and their cages and motors. One buys a "Zoom Oiler" and gives it a few drops on a regular occasion. Gunner "Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam" Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno I shall look into getting an oiler like that. There's only a million sheet metal screws to take out before getting to the motor. Wayne D. http://www.zoomspoutoiler.com/ "Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam" Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno |
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Lewis Hartswick wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: The furnace in my last house did. The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) ...lew... They were threaded brass caps, about 5/8" in diameter. You were supposed to tighten them two full turns every six months to force fresh grease into the bearings. When they bottomed out you removed them and refilled them to start the cycle over. From the design and condition, it had been through a flood in the early '60s. The entire area was under water for about a week, and all basements were flooded. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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On Oct 17, 1:06*pm, Wayne wrote:
Not knowing what kind of grease to use, I put in wheel bearing grease. Oops. Look for oil for Porite (sintered bronze) bearings. Sewing machine oil will do in a pinch. |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
I shall look into getting an oiler like that. There's only a million sheet metal screws to take out before getting to the motor. When you have that housing off is a perfect time to make an access panel, Wayne. Then it'll only be a couple screws to get inside. Run a strip of door weatherstripping foam on the cover for an air seal. Or cheat and install a small oiling line. I did that on one OLD motor. It is installed in a VERY difficult spot. Used a section of oil pressure gauge capillary line. Now I just add a couple of drops of turbine oil every few months. -- Steve W. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Lewis Hartswick wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: The furnace in my last house did. The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) ...lew... They were threaded brass caps, about 5/8" in diameter. You were supposed to tighten them two full turns every six months to force fresh grease into the bearings. When they bottomed out you removed them and refilled them to start the cycle over. From the design and condition, it had been through a flood in the early '60s. The entire area was under water for about a week, and all basements were flooded. Ah So! I think I've seen those but it must have been MANY YEARS ago. Gosh I didn't know they even had air conditioners when those were in use. :-) ...lew... |
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Lewis Hartswick wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Lewis Hartswick wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: The furnace in my last house did. The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) ...lew... They were threaded brass caps, about 5/8" in diameter. You were supposed to tighten them two full turns every six months to force fresh grease into the bearings. When they bottomed out you removed them and refilled them to start the cycle over. From the design and condition, it had been through a flood in the early '60s. The entire area was under water for about a week, and all basements were flooded. Ah So! I think I've seen those but it must have been MANY YEARS ago. Gosh I didn't know they even had air conditioners when those were in use. :-) This one didn't, but the casing had some large knockouts to add a weird A/C conversion package. Considering when it was installed, it's no wonder that it wasn't added. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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Glad that worked out for you. I've also heard of two stroke
gas mixing oil being used. Congrats, you're the only person I've seen, in ages, who can spell "Lo and behold". Are you a Bible reader? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Wayne" wrote in message ... I had some 30w ND from McMaster. Lo and behold the label said for use in electric motors! Wayne D. |
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https://appliancezone.com/ShowProduc...kieSupp ort=1
Try this link, or https://appliancezone.com/ShowProduct.aspx?ID=20501 Should show a typical zoom spout turbine oil. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Wayne" wrote in message ... Indeed. Standard operating procedure for Swamp Coolers and their cages and motors. One buys a "Zoom Oiler" and gives it a few drops on a regular occasion. Gunner I shall look into getting an oiler like that. There's only a million sheet metal screws to take out before getting to the motor. Wayne D. |
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True.
Detergent oil tends to absorb humidity from the air. After many years. Hint: Don't use WD-40 which dries up in days. Or 3-N-1 sewing machine oil which dries up in weeks. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:06:21 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: As long as it's non detergent. And that's not even so critical. Just about any oil is better than any grease!!! |
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:02:25 -0600, Lewis Hartswick
wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: The furnace in my last house did. The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) ...lew... I'm sure he meant grease CUP |
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:06:40 -0500, Wayne wrote:
I use a window air conditioner to keep my tools dry and myself cool during the summer months. When I took it out last year the motor was squeaking. So this spring I disassembled it, greased up the motor, and put it back together. The bearings were completely dry. Not knowing what kind of grease to use, I put in wheel bearing grease. Toward the end of the year it started squeaking again. After I shut it off and later turned it on, the motor wouldn't run anymore. I was just going to pitch the whole thing, but decided on doing a post-mortem. The motor turned very stiffly. What grease was in there was very thick. After cleaning with WD-40, the motor spins ok. What would be a recommended grease for a motor like this with sleeve bearings? Or is the motor just going to fail again since it already has gone squeekers? I once found a window air unit in the dumpster. The fan motor wouldn't turn under its own power, which is presumably why they'd tossed it, although I could turn it by hand. I just sprayed some WD-40 and turned the motor by hand until it loosened up; it worked perfectly for the next couple of years, at least until I sold the mobile home I had slapped it into the window of. But DON'T use WD-40 to clean/lube a model 13 teletype machine! =:-O Cheers! Rich |
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On Oct 19, 12:45*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:02:25 -0600, Lewis Hartswick wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: * *The furnace in my last house did. *The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) * *...lew... I'm sure he meant grease CUP Nope, "cap". See previous poster's reply about it. I've had several fractional HP motors with grease caps, work fine as long as fresh grease is supplied regularly. The oil in the soap carrier gets squeezed out, leaving just the cruddy carrier, little or no lubricating qualities there, so there has to be a steady resupply. Only for ball bearings. I don't know if the caps predated zerks or just was a convenience for maintenance for guys that wouldn't have a grease gun to hand but did have a can of grease. These were old motors, '20s-'30s vintage. For the O.P., Ace has the Zoom Spout oilers, usually in the same area as all the other lubricants and mouse milks, they move them over to aisle with the swamp cooler pumps and parts in the summer around here. They sell out fast come spring. Stan |
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:27:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Oct 19, 12:45*pm, wrote: On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:02:25 -0600, Lewis Hartswick wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: * *The furnace in my last house did. *The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) * *...lew... I'm sure he meant grease CUP Nope, "cap". See previous poster's reply about it. I've had several fractional HP motors with grease caps, work fine as long as fresh grease is supplied regularly. The oil in the soap carrier gets squeezed out, leaving just the cruddy carrier, little or no lubricating qualities there, so there has to be a steady resupply. Only for ball bearings. I don't know if the caps predated zerks or just was a convenience for maintenance for guys that wouldn't have a grease gun to hand but did have a can of grease. These were old motors, '20s-'30s vintage. Umm. Look at page 2147 in McMaster Carr and you'll find the correct term is Grease Cup. http://www.mcmaster.com/#grease-cups/=44t7ss |
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:25:23 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote: On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:27:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Oct 19, 12:45Â*pm, wrote: On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:02:25 -0600, Lewis Hartswick wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Â* Â*The furnace in my last house did. Â*The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) Â* Â*...lew... I'm sure he meant grease CUP Nope, "cap". See previous poster's reply about it. I've had several fractional HP motors with grease caps, work fine as long as fresh grease is supplied regularly. The oil in the soap carrier gets squeezed out, leaving just the cruddy carrier, little or no lubricating qualities there, so there has to be a steady resupply. Only for ball bearings. I don't know if the caps predated zerks or just was a convenience for maintenance for guys that wouldn't have a grease gun to hand but did have a can of grease. These were old motors, '20s-'30s vintage. Umm. Look at page 2147 in McMaster Carr and you'll find the correct term is Grease Cup. http://www.mcmaster.com/#grease-cups/=44t7ss Was 45 years ago anyway. |
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wrote: On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:27:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Oct 19, 12:45Â pm, wrote: On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:02:25 -0600, Lewis Hartswick wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Â Â The furnace in my last house did. Â The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) Â Â ...lew... I'm sure he meant grease CUP Nope, "cap". See previous poster's reply about it. I've had several fractional HP motors with grease caps, work fine as long as fresh grease is supplied regularly. The oil in the soap carrier gets squeezed out, leaving just the cruddy carrier, little or no lubricating qualities there, so there has to be a steady resupply. Only for ball bearings. I don't know if the caps predated zerks or just was a convenience for maintenance for guys that wouldn't have a grease gun to hand but did have a can of grease. These were old motors, '20s-'30s vintage. For the O.P., Ace has the Zoom Spout oilers, usually in the same area as all the other lubricants and mouse milks, they move them over to aisle with the swamp cooler pumps and parts in the summer around here. They sell out fast come spring. Stan In the machinery world those are grease cups. The label & instructions on the furnace called them 'Grease Caps', though. I thought it was funny when I saw it. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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Wayne Cook wrote: On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:27:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Oct 19, 12:45 pm, wrote: On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:02:25 -0600, Lewis Hartswick wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: The furnace in my last house did. The motor had grease caps, and the label told what grease to use. What is a "grease cap"? The only thing that comes to mind when "cap" is mentioned to me is the OILER caps, those spring loaded thingys. If it's for grease it usually has Zerks (but not all Zerks are for grease:-) ) ...lew... I'm sure he meant grease CUP Nope, "cap". See previous poster's reply about it. I've had several fractional HP motors with grease caps, work fine as long as fresh grease is supplied regularly. The oil in the soap carrier gets squeezed out, leaving just the cruddy carrier, little or no lubricating qualities there, so there has to be a steady resupply. Only for ball bearings. I don't know if the caps predated zerks or just was a convenience for maintenance for guys that wouldn't have a grease gun to hand but did have a can of grease. These were old motors, '20s-'30s vintage. Umm. Look at page 2147 in McMaster Carr and you'll find the correct term is Grease Cup. http://www.mcmaster.com/#grease-cups/=44t7ss Nothing like what was on that motor. It was a threaded brass tube with a long threaded cap tahat you packed with grease. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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