545 vs 300,000,000

By Charlie Reese (Charlie Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.)



Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and
then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are
against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation
and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on
appropriations.. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank
does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine
Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million
are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the
domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that
problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its
Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered,
but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound
reason.. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a
senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I
don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The
politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the
lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how
he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that
what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con
regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an
excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a
Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.
The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to
accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole
responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and
approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?
Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow
House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the
president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not
replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of
incompetence and irresponsibility.. I can't think of a single domestic
problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully
grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal
government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to
exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red ...

If the Army &Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in
IRAQ

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement
plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they
hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice
they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and
from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into
the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy,"
"inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an
oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

What you do with this article now that you have read it.......... Is
up to you.


This might be funny if it weren't so darned true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!



Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License20Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years
ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely
no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed
home to raise the kids.
What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?' And I still
have to 'press 1' for English!?

I hope this goes around THE USA at least 100 times!!! YOU can
help it get there!!!
GO AHEAD - - - BE AN AMERICAN!!!

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:42 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.


Got rope?


'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith
becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man
because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the
person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag,
the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Ro osevelt 1907

Let the Record show that "Richard W." on or about
Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:42 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.

And when you shoot the Congress of the United states, who will
replace them? Or a better question: who will be choosing their
replacements?
Or are you of the belief that the several states, and three
commonwealths, have conservative Republicans as Governors? I don't
know about your home state, but here in the Soviet of Washington,
Queen Gregoire would appoint "centrists" to replace our delegation.
Yes, centrists, others like her from the center of the left wing of
the Democrat.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:29:08 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:42 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.


Got rope?

bseg Aren't you glad "some" people don't live in D.C.? Man, what a
temptation that might be to "them".

--
If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the
thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power
to revoke at any moment. -- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:19:51 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that "Richard W." on or about
Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:42 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.

And when you shoot the Congress of the United states, who will
replace them? Or a better question: who will be choosing their
replacements?
Or are you of the belief that the several states, and three
commonwealths, have conservative Republicans as Governors? I don't
know about your home state, but here in the Soviet of Washington,
Queen Gregoire would appoint "centrists" to replace our delegation.
Yes, centrists, others like her from the center of the left wing of
the Democrat.
-
pyotr filipivich
===========

Pyotr and others:

Given the grand conjunction of social, economic, cultural,
ethical and political problems now facing the country, combined
with total gridlock at all levels of governance, [California, New
Jersey, New York and several other states are just as close to
socio-economic collapse as is the Federal government], and the
rapidly increasing citizen polarization/alienation and tendency
to violent political statements, it is now necessary to resurrect
a cold war phrase "it is now time to think the unthinkable."

By this I am not suggesting violent revolution (which history
suggests solves nothing other than changing the names of the
players), but rather the size and composition of the United
States has changed so drastically that the existing governmental
structures/organizations, originally designed in 1787 and
ratified in 1788, for a much smaller and more homogeneous
country, can no longer cope, or even evolve to cope, with the
demands and requirements of a gigantic global empire on one hand
and/or the end of the nation-state and the rise of the sovereign
corporation on the other hand.

If this is indeed the case, it is futile to simply change the
"gang of 545" (by what ever means), as anyone in those positions
will have to cope with the same intractable problems. It may
well be that the organization and structure of the United States
governments have become so large and complicated that it is
beyond human capability to manage.

FWIW -- this does not appear to be unique to "government" but to
all gigantic human organizations such as GM and now Boeing, with
their problems with their new Dreamliner, when ever they are
stressed with excessive problems outside their experience and/or
their old magic spells and incantations no longer work because of
drastically changed circumstances.

It is therefore suggested that the foundational and fundamental
problem is "can any nation as big and complex as the United
States continue to exist [or even expand] and prosper in the
long-term, and if not what changes are required," not how do we
replace the existing bums.

One of the first things necessary is to establish a list of
perhaps the ten most critical problems in the form of simple
single declarative sentences, prioritize this list, and then ask
what can and will be done. It the answer is nothing, then
fundamental and foundational change is clearly necessary, not
simple personnel/personality changes.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:19:51 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that "Richard W." on or about
Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:42 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.

And when you shoot the Congress of the United states, who will
replace them? Or a better question: who will be choosing their
replacements?
Or are you of the belief that the several states, and three
commonwealths, have conservative Republicans as Governors? I don't
know about your home state, but here in the Soviet of Washington,
Queen Gregoire would appoint "centrists" to replace our delegation.
Yes, centrists, others like her from the center of the left wing of
the Democrat.

Lots of ammo will remain after the initial "cropping" of the fields..and
those that didnt learn from the blood bath, can get "second picking".

Shrug...those too stupid to learn the lessons get to pay the price.

Ill be playing the banjo on my front porch, listening to the radio as
the body counts come in, big smile on my face.


-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith
becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man
because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the
person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag,
the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Ro osevelt 1907

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:33:29 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:29:08 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:42 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.


Got rope?

bseg Aren't you glad "some" people don't live in D.C.? Man, what a
temptation that might be to "them".


In less than 3 yrs...the temptation will be too much.

VBG

Gunner

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith
becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man
because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the
person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag,
the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Ro osevelt 1907

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:02:36 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

One of the first things necessary is to establish a list of
perhaps the ten most critical problems in the form of simple
single declarative sentences, prioritize this list, and then ask
what can and will be done. It the answer is nothing, then
fundamental and foundational change is clearly necessary, not
simple personnel/personality changes.


But George..its not a simple matter of personnel/personality. Its a
matter of Policy and direction. The Left wants to drag the nation into
a socialist/marxist path. Conservatives want to drag the nation into one
keeping with the Constitution and States Rights foremost.

Given that the Conservatives are wanting to go in a direction more
easily maintained state by state, and is actually legal and of common
sense...and the Left wants to destroy the Constitution and turn it into
a socialist/marxist ********....which do you think is going to win,
given the rising numbers of Middle to Right wing people who are loosing
their homes, their jobs and their nation..and the fact that they own a
sufficent number of tools to remove those on the Left that want to drag
the nation right into the toilet?

It has nothing to do with personality, but with Policy.
Id of thought you were aware of this.


Gunner

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith
becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man
because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the
person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag,
the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Ro osevelt 1907

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:26:27 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:02:36 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

One of the first things necessary is to establish a list of
perhaps the ten most critical problems in the form of simple
single declarative sentences, prioritize this list, and then ask
what can and will be done. It the answer is nothing, then
fundamental and foundational change is clearly necessary, not
simple personnel/personality changes.


But George..its not a simple matter of personnel/personality. Its a
matter of Policy and direction. The Left wants to drag the nation into
a socialist/marxist path. Conservatives want to drag the nation into one
keeping with the Constitution and States Rights foremost.

Given that the Conservatives are wanting to go in a direction more
easily maintained state by state, and is actually legal and of common
sense...and the Left wants to destroy the Constitution and turn it into
a socialist/marxist ********....which do you think is going to win,
given the rising numbers of Middle to Right wing people who are loosing
their homes, their jobs and their nation..and the fact that they own a
sufficent number of tools to remove those on the Left that want to drag
the nation right into the toilet?

It has nothing to do with personality, but with Policy.
Id of thought you were aware of this.


Gunner
=========
I am indeed, and it is at this point that the two old adages come
into effect. (1) I cut it off twice and its still too short; and
(2) When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks
like a nail.

What I am suggesting is that within the existing framework of
U.S. government there may be *NO* solutions.

If this is indeed the case, then anything attempted from this
point forward [and in fact for the last several years] is simply
pouring more money down a rat hole. If this correct, then simply
exchanging the personnel/personalaties in the "gang of 545" will
accomplish nothing from the perspective of actually solving or
even abating any of the ten [or whatever] most critical problems
[not bumper sticker slogans].

One of the major contributing factors appears to be the
deliberate maintenance of a [false] forced choice between
Democratic liberal collectivist policies and Republican
"laissez-faire" reactionary policies, which may be effective in
keeping your party in power, but does nothing for actually
resolving any of the increasingly serious and numerous national
problems.

Indeed, it appears that the "gang of 545 (that can't shoot
straight)" won't even agree that any problems exist, let alone
what these problems are or the relative priorities, which in turn
means there is no possibility of any correction.

The people are largely wasting their time, money and energy on
pointless demonstrations tea parties]. For example, why not use
a small part of these resources to collect citizen signatures to
force empanelment of grand juries to investigate apparent fraud
and abuse in the states where this is allowed?


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:37:58 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:
snip
Funny that you should mention this George.
Gary Kreep over at the United States Justice Foundation has this very issue
as one of his current hobby horses.
His bent is a little different than yours might be, however.
He says Obama and Pelosi are trying to rewrite the Constitution through a
Constitutional Convention.
He also seems to need a donation.
snip
Don't they all?

It is correctly observed, "When things can't go on the way they
are -- they won't."

It is to be hoped that when [not if] foundational change in the
existing structure/organization of US governance occurs, it will
be logical controlled "proactive" change, not the expected
chaotic "reactive" change resulting from financial/fiscal
collapse or other catastrophe.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:26:27 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:02:36 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

One of the first things necessary is to establish a list of
perhaps the ten most critical problems in the form of simple
single declarative sentences, prioritize this list, and then ask
what can and will be done. It the answer is nothing, then
fundamental and foundational change is clearly necessary, not
simple personnel/personality changes.


But George..its not a simple matter of personnel/personality. Its a
matter of Policy and direction. The Left wants to drag the nation into
a socialist/marxist path. Conservatives want to drag the nation into one
keeping with the Constitution and States Rights foremost.

Given that the Conservatives are wanting to go in a direction more
easily maintained state by state, and is actually legal and of common
sense...and the Left wants to destroy the Constitution and turn it into
a socialist/marxist ********....which do you think is going to win,
given the rising numbers of Middle to Right wing people who are loosing
their homes, their jobs and their nation..and the fact that they own a
sufficent number of tools to remove those on the Left that want to drag
the nation right into the toilet?

It has nothing to do with personality, but with Policy.
Id of thought you were aware of this.


Gunner
=========
I am indeed, and it is at this point that the two old adages come
into effect. (1) I cut it off twice and its still too short; and
(2) When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks
like a nail.

What I am suggesting is that within the existing framework of
U.S. government there may be *NO* solutions.

If this is indeed the case, then anything attempted from this
point forward [and in fact for the last several years] is simply
pouring more money down a rat hole. If this correct, then simply
exchanging the personnel/personalaties in the "gang of 545" will
accomplish nothing from the perspective of actually solving or
even abating any of the ten [or whatever] most critical problems
[not bumper sticker slogans].

One of the major contributing factors appears to be the
deliberate maintenance of a [false] forced choice between
Democratic liberal collectivist policies and Republican
"laissez-faire" reactionary policies, which may be effective in
keeping your party in power, but does nothing for actually
resolving any of the increasingly serious and numerous national
problems.

Indeed, it appears that the "gang of 545 (that can't shoot
straight)" won't even agree that any problems exist, let alone
what these problems are or the relative priorities, which in turn
means there is no possibility of any correction.

The people are largely wasting their time, money and energy on
pointless demonstrations tea parties]. For example, why not use
a small part of these resources to collect citizen signatures to
force empanelment of grand juries to investigate apparent fraud
and abuse in the states where this is allowed?


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

Unka' George, I have to agree with you again. There is a thing called Miles
law: "How you stand depends on where you sit". This law affects people
with a vision who wanting to make a change, getting elected and slowly
looking like the things they originally wanted to change. I watched this
happen to a number of people and then lo when I transitioned from
engineering to management, my idea was to provide better coverage for my
people to get the job done, did I find myself being drawn into the morass?
Yep.

The "False" choice between the Democrats and Republicans is another
agreement. What bull. Either one takes us down a different road to the
same end. More government, more inefficiency, more erosion of freedoms.
Your look at the basic structure may be a look at the paradigm shift,
whatever it entails, that I believe we are in the midst of.
enjoyed your posting

Stu Fields

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:28:46 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:26:27 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:02:36 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

One of the first things necessary is to establish a list of
perhaps the ten most critical problems in the form of simple
single declarative sentences, prioritize this list, and then ask
what can and will be done. It the answer is nothing, then
fundamental and foundational change is clearly necessary, not
simple personnel/personality changes.


But George..its not a simple matter of personnel/personality. Its a
matter of Policy and direction. The Left wants to drag the nation into
a socialist/marxist path. Conservatives want to drag the nation into one
keeping with the Constitution and States Rights foremost.

Given that the Conservatives are wanting to go in a direction more
easily maintained state by state, and is actually legal and of common
sense...and the Left wants to destroy the Constitution and turn it into
a socialist/marxist ********....which do you think is going to win,
given the rising numbers of Middle to Right wing people who are loosing
their homes, their jobs and their nation..and the fact that they own a
sufficent number of tools to remove those on the Left that want to drag
the nation right into the toilet?

It has nothing to do with personality, but with Policy.
Id of thought you were aware of this.


Gunner
=========
I am indeed, and it is at this point that the two old adages come
into effect. (1) I cut it off twice and its still too short; and
(2) When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks
like a nail.

What I am suggesting is that within the existing framework of
U.S. government there may be *NO* solutions.

If this is indeed the case, then anything attempted from this
point forward [and in fact for the last several years] is simply
pouring more money down a rat hole. If this correct, then simply
exchanging the personnel/personalaties in the "gang of 545" will
accomplish nothing from the perspective of actually solving or
even abating any of the ten [or whatever] most critical problems
[not bumper sticker slogans].

One of the major contributing factors appears to be the
deliberate maintenance of a [false] forced choice between
Democratic liberal collectivist policies and Republican
"laissez-faire" reactionary policies, which may be effective in
keeping your party in power, but does nothing for actually
resolving any of the increasingly serious and numerous national
problems.

Indeed, it appears that the "gang of 545 (that can't shoot
straight)" won't even agree that any problems exist, let alone
what these problems are or the relative priorities, which in turn
means there is no possibility of any correction.

The people are largely wasting their time, money and energy on
pointless demonstrations tea parties]. For example, why not use
a small part of these resources to collect citizen signatures to
force empanelment of grand juries to investigate apparent fraud
and abuse in the states where this is allowed?


Unka' George [George McDuffee]

Its all moot. In less than 3 yrs, the People will rise up and simply do
away with the 545 individuals in DC, and in their own state capitals,
along with a vast number of those that supported the Leftists.

Its unlikely it can be stopped. The large boulder is perched on the
edge of the mountain and only a tiny bit of gravel is holding it. Gravel
that is slowly being pulverized by the boulders weight. Its leaning
farther and farther out over the village.

Shrug. When the smoke clears, the bodies are disposed of, with luck,
the nation will return to its Constitutional default settings. If the
luck is bad, it will break into red/blue areas and its glory days will
be over.

But it IS going to happen. One way or another.

Shrug.

Gunner

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith
becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man
because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the
person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag,
the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Ro osevelt 1907

Gunner Asch wrote:


Unka' George [George McDuffee]

Its all moot. In less than 3 yrs, the People will rise up and simply do
away with the 545 individuals in DC, and in their own state capitals,
along with a vast number of those that supported the Leftists.

Its unlikely it can be stopped. The large boulder is perched on the
edge of the mountain and only a tiny bit of gravel is holding it. Gravel
that is slowly being pulverized by the boulders weight. Its leaning
farther and farther out over the village.

Shrug. When the smoke clears, the bodies are disposed of, with luck,
the nation will return to its Constitutional default settings. If the
luck is bad, it will break into red/blue areas and its glory days will
be over.

But it IS going to happen. One way or another.

Shrug.

Gunner


Deja Vu, like 1917 all over again?

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:31:54 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:


Unka' George [George McDuffee]

Its all moot. In less than 3 yrs, the People will rise up and simply do
away with the 545 individuals in DC, and in their own state capitals,
along with a vast number of those that supported the Leftists.

Its unlikely it can be stopped. The large boulder is perched on the
edge of the mountain and only a tiny bit of gravel is holding it. Gravel
that is slowly being pulverized by the boulders weight. Its leaning
farther and farther out over the village.

Shrug. When the smoke clears, the bodies are disposed of, with luck,
the nation will return to its Constitutional default settings. If the
luck is bad, it will break into red/blue areas and its glory days will
be over.

But it IS going to happen. One way or another.

Shrug.

Gunner


Deja Vu, like 1917 all over again?


Humm...more like 1929-30...with lots of gunfire and leftists kicking
their lives away while hanging by the neck.

Its going to be an ugly ugly time.



'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith
becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man
because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the
person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag,
the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Ro osevelt 1907

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:10:23 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:19:51 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that "Richard W." on or about
Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:42 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.

And when you shoot the Congress of the United states, who will
replace them? Or a better question: who will be choosing their
replacements?
Or are you of the belief that the several states, and three
commonwealths, have conservative Republicans as Governors? I don't
know about your home state, but here in the Soviet of Washington,
Queen Gregoire would appoint "centrists" to replace our delegation.
Yes, centrists, others like her from the center of the left wing of
the Democrat.

Lots of ammo will remain after the initial "cropping" of the fields..and
those that didnt learn from the blood bath, can get "second picking".

Shrug...those too stupid to learn the lessons get to pay the price.

Ill be playing the banjo on my front porch, listening to the radio as
the body counts come in, big smile on my face.

I've always wanted to play classical guitar.


tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:30:39 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:10:23 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:19:51 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that "Richard W." on or about
Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:42 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.

And when you shoot the Congress of the United states, who will
replace them? Or a better question: who will be choosing their
replacements?
Or are you of the belief that the several states, and three
commonwealths, have conservative Republicans as Governors? I don't
know about your home state, but here in the Soviet of Washington,
Queen Gregoire would appoint "centrists" to replace our delegation.
Yes, centrists, others like her from the center of the left wing of
the Democrat.

Lots of ammo will remain after the initial "cropping" of the fields..and
those that didnt learn from the blood bath, can get "second picking".

Shrug...those too stupid to learn the lessons get to pay the price.

Ill be playing the banjo on my front porch, listening to the radio as
the body counts come in, big smile on my face.

I've always wanted to play classical guitar.


Can you now? If not..perhaps now is the time to learn?

You will be good enough by the time the Year the Leftwingers Died comes
along and we can both plink happy tunes to keep the fireing squads
dancing as they do their work.



tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith
becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man
because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the
person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag,
the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Ro osevelt 1907

I'm hearing duelin' Banjos there, guys...

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:31:22 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

I'm hearing duelin' Banjos there, guys...


Oh hell yes!

That would be really cool to play in time with the firing squads.

Badda badda Bang! Budda buddabuda BANG!

Gunner
'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith
becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man
because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the
person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag,
the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Ro osevelt 1907

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:02:36 -0500, F.George wrote:

It is therefore suggested that the foundational and fundamental
problem is "can any nation as big and complex as the United
States continue to exist [or even expand] and prosper in the
long-term, and if not what changes are required," not how do we
replace the existing bums.

Yes. Vote Libertarian.

http://www.lp.org
http://www.lp.org/platform

Hope This Helps!
Rich

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:26:27 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

But George..its not a simple matter of personnel/personality. Its a
matter of Policy and direction. The Left wants to drag the nation into
a socialist/marxist path. Conservatives want to drag the nation into one
keeping with the Constitution and States Rights foremost.

Where the hell do you find a real Conservative these days? They've all
gone neocon:

The "people's" socialists want to take your money to pay the bills of the
lazy, negligent, and stupid poor people..

The "national" socialists want to take your money to pay the bills of the
lazy, negligent, and stupid rich people.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:51:12 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:26:27 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

But George..its not a simple matter of personnel/personality. Its a
matter of Policy and direction. The Left wants to drag the nation into
a socialist/marxist path. Conservatives want to drag the nation into one
keeping with the Constitution and States Rights foremost.

Where the hell do you find a real Conservative these days? They've all
gone neocon:

Blink blink....your ignorance never ceases to astound me.

The "people's" socialists want to take your money to pay the bills of the
lazy, negligent, and stupid poor people..

The "national" socialists want to take your money to pay the bills of the
lazy, negligent, and stupid rich people.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith
becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact
equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man
because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the
person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag,
the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language.. and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Ro osevelt 1907

Gunner Asch wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

I've always wanted to play classical guitar.

Can you now? If not..perhaps now is the time to learn?

You will be good enough by the time the Year the Leftwingers Died comes
along and we can both plink happy tunes to keep the fireing squads
dancing as they do their work.


'Dueling banjos' would be more appropriate.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:15:05 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:31:22 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:
I'm hearing duelin' Banjos there, guys...

Oh hell yes!

That would be really cool to play in time with the firing squads.

Dueling Tubas! - now that's heavy metal!

Badda badda Bang! Budda buddabuda BANG!

"Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" (aka "Just get Stoned") - another
great Tuba riff!

Although I do like Leon Redbone's "Seduced" for the Tuba riff, I
think it is a bit too mellow for martial activities. Marital, yes,
martial, no.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:10:23 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:19:51 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that "Richard W." on or about
Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:42 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.

And when you shoot the Congress of the United states, who will
replace them? Or a better question: who will be choosing their
replacements?
Or are you of the belief that the several states, and three
commonwealths, have conservative Republicans as Governors? I don't
know about your home state, but here in the Soviet of Washington,
Queen Gregoire would appoint "centrists" to replace our delegation.
Yes, centrists, others like her from the center of the left wing of
the Democrat.

Lots of ammo will remain after the initial "cropping" of the fields..and
those that didnt learn from the blood bath, can get "second picking".

"lather, rinse, repeat" till something runs out ...

Shrug...those too stupid to learn the lessons get to pay the price.

"Wer hort nicht - muss fuhlen!" Those who will not hear, must
feel.
I don't have the Arabic, but "The ear of the fool is in his back."

Ill be playing the banjo on my front porch, listening to the radio as
the body counts come in, big smile on my face.

Like I said, maybe the tuba ... I'll be sure to get a screen to
keep fools form tossing firecrackers in the bell.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:25:10 -0600, Steve Ackman
wrote:

In , on Sun, 16 Aug 2009
20:30:39 -0700, pyotr filipivich, wrote:

I've always wanted to play classical guitar.

Something even better (not to mention a more
expensive instrument, which my wife has *almost*
convinced me I need):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1VNWjGPGhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCpZGHc0Q0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjB730tx94

Youtube search terms for mo "Chapman Stick"
"Megatar"
Lots of mp3's of different artists playing
different styles on the megatar site:
http://www.megatar.com/english/songs/songs.html


Damnit..Ive never even heard of one before. That is ****ing far out!!!

Im gonna have to check into this..really.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:25:10 -0600, the infamous Steve Ackman
scrawled the following:

In , on Sun, 16 Aug 2009
20:30:39 -0700, pyotr filipivich, wrote:

I've always wanted to play classical guitar.

Something even better (not to mention a more
expensive instrument, which my wife has *almost*
convinced me I need):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1VNWjGPGhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCpZGHc0Q0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjB730tx94

Youtube search terms for mo "Chapman Stick"
"Megatar"
Lots of mp3's of different artists playing
different styles on the megatar site:
http://www.megatar.com/english/songs/songs.html

There went a most pleasurable half hour. Tanks, Steve!

---
So far Mr. Obama has used his personally exciting presidency for initiatives
that are spending public money on a scale not seen since ancient Egypt.
-- Daniel Henninger
WSJ Online, 4 June 2009
"Obama's America: Too Fat to Fail
The age of the induced industrial coma."

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:53:01 -0600, Steve Ackman
wrote:

In , on Tue, 25 Aug 2009
00:44:55 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:25:10 -0600, Steve Ackman
wrote:

Something even better (not to mention a more
expensive instrument, which my wife has *almost*
convinced me I need):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1VNWjGPGhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCpZGHc0Q0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjB730tx94

Youtube search terms for mo "Chapman Stick"
"Megatar"
Lots of mp3's of different artists playing
different styles on the megatar site:
http://www.megatar.com/english/songs/songs.html


Damnit..Ive never even heard of one before. That is ****ing far out!!!

Im gonna have to check into this..really.

There's this intro from megatar,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGYrIv-4-is
but there's an even better one from someone else that
I can't seem to find at the moment that shows a lot
more range and variety -- the stuff above plus
percussive, strumming, plucking, bending, sliding,
etc. I'm sure if you spend enough time on youtube
you'll run across it eventually.

New:
Megatars range from $1300 to ~$3600. (12-string only)
Chapman Sticks go $1900 to ~$3500 (10 and 12 string)
Chapman also makes an acoustic that I haven't seen priced.
Warr guitars -- even spendier, so I haven't looked.
Krappyguitars.com -- flat $750 for 10 strings, $800
for 12 strings... if you want more, you're nuts, but
they'll make it for you anyway.

Used:
I've seen a 10 string Chapman that went for $1209 on
eBay, and a 12 string Krappy went for $650.

Well hell...that leaves me simply listening to the music, not making
any.

Gunner, Banjo and mountain dulcimer doodler.


Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:47:12 -0600, the infamous Steve Ackman
scrawled the following:

In , on Tue, 25 Aug 2009
07:32:16 -0700, Larry Jaques, novalidaddress@di wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:25:10 -0600, the infamous Steve Ackman
scrawled the following:

Something even better (not to mention a more
expensive instrument, which my wife has *almost*
convinced me I need):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1VNWjGPGhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCpZGHc0Q0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjB730tx94

Youtube search terms for mo "Chapman Stick"
"Megatar"
Lots of mp3's of different artists playing
different styles on the megatar site:
http://www.megatar.com/english/songs/songs.html

There went a most pleasurable half hour. Tanks, Steve!

Half hour? You sure managed to cut that short!
;-)

I don't listen to music nearly as much as I used to, my tinnitus
getting in the way of the pure pleasure. I enjoy the quiet up here
more. When it's quiet, the tinnitus becomes my white noise.

--
I think that if, years down the road when I'm trying to have a kid, I
find out that I'm sterile, most of my disappointment will stem from the
fact that I was not aware of my condition in college. --anon

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:53:01 -0600, the infamous Steve Ackman
scrawled the following:

In , on Tue, 25 Aug 2009
00:44:55 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:25:10 -0600, Steve Ackman
wrote:

Something even better (not to mention a more
expensive instrument, which my wife has *almost*
convinced me I need):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1VNWjGPGhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCpZGHc0Q0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjB730tx94

Youtube search terms for mo "Chapman Stick"
"Megatar"
Lots of mp3's of different artists playing
different styles on the megatar site:
http://www.megatar.com/english/songs/songs.html


Damnit..Ive never even heard of one before. That is ****ing far out!!!

Im gonna have to check into this..really.

There's this intro from megatar,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGYrIv-4-is


Bwahahahaha! I love the names "Traktor Topaz" and "Mobius Megatars".
He looks like a combine salesman. Plays OK. shrug


but there's an even better one from someone else that
I can't seem to find at the moment that shows a lot
more range and variety -- the stuff above plus
percussive, strumming, plucking, bending, sliding,
etc. I'm sure if you spend enough time on youtube
you'll run across it eventually.

New:
Megatars range from $1300 to ~$3600. (12-string only)
Chapman Sticks go $1900 to ~$3500 (10 and 12 string)

Ouch!

--
I think that if, years down the road when I'm trying to have a kid, I
find out that I'm sterile, most of my disappointment will stem from the
fact that I was not aware of my condition in college. --anon

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:06:04 -0600, the infamous Steve Ackman
scrawled the following:

In , on Tue, 25 Aug 2009
14:00:41 -0700, Larry Jaques, novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:53:01 -0600, the infamous Steve Ackman
scrawled the following:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:25:10 -0600, Steve Ackman
wrote:

Something even better (not to mention a more
expensive instrument, which my wife has *almost*
convinced me I need):

[...]

There's this intro from megatar,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGYrIv-4-is

Bwahahahaha! I love the names "Traktor Topaz"

That's not the name he was born with, but the one
he gave himself.

He's a "Prince".


and "Mobius Megatars". He looks like a combine salesman.
Plays OK. shrug

Well, he's a guitar builder/salesman, not a guitar
*player.* He's not really supposed to be all that good...
How many car salesmen / factory workers are able to
drive competitively in NASCAR? ;-)

Gee, not even a laugh?


New:
Megatars range from $1300 to ~$3600. (12-string only)
Chapman Sticks go $1900 to ~$3500 (10 and 12 string)

Ouch!

Exactly the reason for the *almost* in my initial
statement.

Grok that.

--
A striking fact of the last two years of financial trouble is how
accountability has differed in the public and private spheres. On
Wall Street and across the country, decades-old firms have failed,
fortunes have vanished, and some former captains of finance face
jail or fines. In Washington, meanwhile, most regulators and Members
of Congress remain on the job, often with enhanced power.
-WSJ "Bernanke's Second Chance" 26aug09