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OT Palin leaves office in disgrace (tonight show spoof of palin's speech)
"Cliff" wrote in message news [ Palin leaves office in disgrace Hounded out of office by lack of honesty, illegal bank account Sarah Palin quit Alaska Sunday in yet another confusing move by the Republican once beloved by many Alaskan residents. During her resignation speech on Sunday in Fairbanks, Alaska, Palin recalled promising ethics reform as a gubernatorial candidate, saying, "We promised it, and now it is the law." She failed to mention her obstruction of those laws that led to over 20 ethics complaints, mostly by Republicans, from her illegal activities. ..... ] The stupid bitch was ranting about journalists should not make up stuff because of our soldiers ... she has been making up stuff from day one and is ****ed that people actually report her own words ... Indeed. But now she is going to make a lot of money as she found out that wingers will actually pay $$ for lies & stupidity. Might cost Rush & Faux customers though. -- Cliff conan o'brien, tonight show, william shatner making fun of sarah palin's resignation speech. http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrie...72709/1139665/ b.w. |
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William Wixon wrote:
"Cliff" wrote in message news [ Palin leaves office in disgrace Hounded out of office by lack of honesty, illegal bank account Sarah Palin quit Alaska Sunday in yet another confusing move by the Republican once beloved by many Alaskan residents. During her resignation speech on Sunday in Fairbanks, Alaska, Palin recalled promising ethics reform as a gubernatorial candidate, saying, "We promised it, and now it is the law." She failed to mention her obstruction of those laws that led to over 20 ethics complaints, mostly by Republicans, from her illegal activities. ..... ] The stupid bitch was ranting about journalists should not make up stuff because of our soldiers ... she has been making up stuff from day one and is ****ed that people actually report her own words ... Indeed. But now she is going to make a lot of money as she found out that wingers will actually pay $$ for lies & stupidity. Might cost Rush & Faux customers though. -- Cliff conan o'brien, tonight show, william shatner making fun of sarah palin's resignation speech. http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrie...72709/1139665/ b.w. Actually, he was quoting it directly. And trust me, it was the most cogent part of the whole thing... Thank you, Sarah, for making me feel even better about voting for Obama. |
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Stuart Wheaton wrote:
William Wixon wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message news [ Palin leaves office in disgrace Hounded out of office by lack of honesty, illegal bank account Sarah Palin quit Alaska Sunday in yet another confusing move by the Republican once beloved by many Alaskan residents. During her resignation speech on Sunday in Fairbanks, Alaska, Palin recalled promising ethics reform as a gubernatorial candidate, saying, "We promised it, and now it is the law." She failed to mention her obstruction of those laws that led to over 20 ethics complaints, mostly by Republicans, from her illegal activities. ..... ] The stupid bitch was ranting about journalists should not make up stuff because of our soldiers ... she has been making up stuff from day one and is ****ed that people actually report her own words ... Indeed. But now she is going to make a lot of money as she found out that wingers will actually pay $$ for lies & stupidity. Might cost Rush & Faux customers though. -- Cliff conan o'brien, tonight show, william shatner making fun of sarah palin's resignation speech. http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrie...72709/1139665/ b.w. Actually, he was quoting it directly. And trust me, it was the most cogent part of the whole thing... Thank you, Sarah, for making me feel even better about voting for Obama. I watched the entire speech just after she gave it and it was a disjointed stream of unconciousness as opposed to a stream of conciousness sort of thing. I still think she's got a remote control electrical shock device of some sort implanted in her body and some jokester stole the remote. BZZZZZZZZTTT! You Betcha'! -- John R. Carroll |
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William Wixon wrote:
"Cliff" wrote in message news [ Palin leaves office in disgrace Hounded out of office by lack of honesty, illegal bank account Sarah Palin quit Alaska Sunday in yet another confusing move by the Republican once beloved by many Alaskan residents. During her resignation speech on Sunday in Fairbanks, Alaska, Palin recalled promising ethics reform as a gubernatorial candidate, saying, "We promised it, and now it is the law." She failed to mention her obstruction of those laws that led to over 20 ethics complaints, mostly by Republicans, from her illegal activities. ..... ] The stupid bitch was ranting about journalists should not make up stuff because of our soldiers ... she has been making up stuff from day one and is ****ed that people actually report her own words ... Indeed. But now she is going to make a lot of money as she found out that wingers will actually pay $$ for lies & stupidity. Might cost Rush & Faux customers though. -- Cliff conan o'brien, tonight show, william shatner making fun of sarah palin's resignation speech. http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrie...72709/1139665/ b.w. You should have seen Steven Colbert's version of her speech. He had one of those cold weather hats with the ear flaps on them on his desk and he was pulling out little strips of paper like you get in a fortune cookie. Each one had a cliche' written on it which he read. You couldn't tell his reading of cliches from one of Palin's speeches. He nailed her phoniness, big time. If you listen to what she says in a speech it is meaningless and is just filled with platitudes to the troops, the country, and the people, with a bunch of cliches thrown in to boot. Boy, you want to talk about a not ready for prime time player? Hawke |
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Hawke wrote:
Boy, you want to talk about a not ready for prime time player? Hawke Nah, we already talk about Obama enough here. David |
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David R.Birch wrote:
Hawke wrote: Boy, you want to talk about a not ready for prime time player? Hawke Nah, we already talk about Obama enough here. David You Obama doubters are going to have to eat your words. Good thing everything is saved here so you won't be able to deny what you said. That means when things turn around and Obama's policies turn the country around you are going to look like a really bad prophet. Stupid too, because none of you guys predicted that Bush would be such a bust. In fact, you Obama doubters thought having our first "MBA" president was going to be really great. Remember that? Your absolute **** judgment about Bush being a good president is duly noted. Your error in judgment about Obama will confirm what a lousy judge of people you are. Wait for a year or two. When things have turned around I won't forget to remind everyone that you were wrong once again. Hawke |
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OT Palin leaves office in disgrace (tonight show spoof of palin's speech)
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:35:58 -0700, Hawke wrote:
David R.Birch wrote: Hawke wrote: Boy, you want to talk about a not ready for prime time player? Nah, we already talk about Obama enough here. You Obama doubters are going to have to eat your words. Good thing everything is saved here so you won't be able to deny what you said. That means when things turn around and Obama's policies turn the country around you are going to look like a really bad prophet. Or either that or we're going the way of the Soviet Union, unless somebody steps up to stop those socialist obamaniacs. Change? Yeah. from bad to worse, as it's happened since politicians have run on "change". The evidence? When they get done confiscating your paycheck to pay the bills of the negligent freeloaders, there's pocket change left, if anything at all. Just watch, but take notes, so you can't selectively rewrite history. Thanks, Rich |
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OT Palin leaves office in disgrace (tonight show spoof of palin's speech)
While very few people like the current socio-economic/political
changes in the U.S., it is well to remember that the current personalities have very little to do with what is occurring. In many ways we are like a mass of ants on a drifting log in a river headed over the falls. No matter how the ants run around on the log or which side of the log they mass on, they are going over the falls. As far as any of the ants can be said to be responsible for this, there are the few that failed to preserve the threads that kept the log tied to the shore, and the very few that actively cut those threads because they wanted the log to go somewhere, not just lay there. The underlying causal factors appear to be financial/corporate deregulation, international free trade, and open borders [for both people and products/services]. These factors became active a generation or more ago, and were in preparation for years before this. The side [undesired] effects do not have seem to have been considered [or were ignored]. The vast majority of citizens are now paying for this oversight, even as the elite obtain wealth beyond the dreams of Crassus. http://www.historynet.com/roman-pers...of-carrhae.htm Because of these foundational changes, we are seeing a global societal paradigm shift as substantial as the evolution/transformation of the old midlevel / manorial socio-economic/political model to that of the nation-state. At that time everything and anything was blamed for the apparent collapse in the social order. For one mans take on what the world will look like in 2030 see http://www.spiegel.de/international/...637830,00.html Calling the current politicians names will not change anything. Indeed, we more than likely are well past the point of no return, and time/money spent in an attempt to reverse these changes is simply sending good money after bad. As the nation-states are largely disappearing before our eyes, the critical challenge now appears to be how to control the mega- transnational corporations, where the real economic/political power now appears to be located. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:13:21 -0500, the infamous F. George McDuffee
scrawled the following: --big snip-- Calling the current politicians names will not change anything. Indeed, we more than likely are well past the point of no return, and time/money spent in an attempt to reverse these changes is simply sending good money after bad. As the nation-states are largely disappearing before our eyes, the critical challenge now appears to be how to control the mega- transnational corporations, where the real economic/political power now appears to be located. Why do the futures-according-to-Max-Headroom/RoboCop loom so large now? Eek! -- A great preservative against angry and mutinous thoughts, and all impatience and quarreling, is to have some great business and interest in your mind, which, like a sponge shall suck up your attention and keep you from brooding over what displeases you. -- Joseph Rickaby |
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"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message news While very few people like the current socio-economic/political changes in the U.S., it is well to remember that the current personalities have very little to do with what is occurring. In many ways we are like a mass of ants on a drifting log in a river headed over the falls. No matter how the ants run around on the log or which side of the log they mass on, they are going over the falls. As far as any of the ants can be said to be responsible for this, there are the few that failed to preserve the threads that kept the log tied to the shore, and the very few that actively cut those threads because they wanted the log to go somewhere, not just lay there. The underlying causal factors appear to be financial/corporate deregulation, international free trade, and open borders [for both people and products/services]. These factors became active a generation or more ago, and were in preparation for years before this. The side [undesired] effects do not have seem to have been considered [or were ignored]. The vast majority of citizens are now paying for this oversight, even as the elite obtain wealth beyond the dreams of Crassus. http://www.historynet.com/roman-pers...of-carrhae.htm Because of these foundational changes, we are seeing a global societal paradigm shift as substantial as the evolution/transformation of the old midlevel / manorial socio-economic/political model to that of the nation-state. At that time everything and anything was blamed for the apparent collapse in the social order. For one mans take on what the world will look like in 2030 see http://www.spiegel.de/international/...637830,00.html Calling the current politicians names will not change anything. Indeed, we more than likely are well past the point of no return, and time/money spent in an attempt to reverse these changes is simply sending good money after bad. As the nation-states are largely disappearing before our eyes, the critical challenge now appears to be how to control the mega- transnational corporations, where the real economic/political power now appears to be located. Unka' George [George McDuffee] i just started reading a book called "Life Inc." only got a few pages into it but it's damn scary. reading it gave me a trapped feeling (we're all those trapped ants). it starts off with the history of corporations. there's a short video of the author at amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Life-Inc-World.../dp/1400066891 b.w. |
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F. George McDuffee wrote:
While very few people like the current socio-economic/political changes in the U.S., it is well to remember that the current personalities have very little to do with what is occurring. In many ways we are like a mass of ants on a drifting log in a river headed over the falls. No matter how the ants run around on the log or which side of the log they mass on, they are going over the falls. As far as any of the ants can be said to be responsible for this, there are the few that failed to preserve the threads that kept the log tied to the shore, and the very few that actively cut those threads because they wanted the log to go somewhere, not just lay there. The underlying causal factors appear to be financial/corporate deregulation, international free trade, and open borders [for both people and products/services]. These factors became active a generation or more ago, and were in preparation for years before this. The side [undesired] effects do not have seem to have been considered [or were ignored]. The vast majority of citizens are now paying for this oversight, even as the elite obtain wealth beyond the dreams of Crassus. http://www.historynet.com/roman-pers...of-carrhae.htm Because of these foundational changes, we are seeing a global societal paradigm shift as substantial as the evolution/transformation of the old midlevel / manorial socio-economic/political model to that of the nation-state. At that time everything and anything was blamed for the apparent collapse in the social order. For one mans take on what the world will look like in 2030 see http://www.spiegel.de/international/...637830,00.html This makes George Orwell look like an optimist. Is there any room for human rights in this? Looks like we'll be mostly proles. David |
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:37:44 -0500, "William Wixon"
wrote: i just started reading a book called "Life Inc." only got a few pages into it but it's damn scary. reading it gave me a trapped feeling (we're all those trapped ants). it starts off with the history of corporations. ======= You may like to see the section I did on the evolution of U.S. corporations. Many people don't realize that the first "states" were actually the corporations of their day under royal charter. These were written in 1999. see http://mcduffee-associates.us/dissertation/corp.pdf also my take on the socio-economic changes http://mcduffee-associates.us/dissertation/accrmod.pdf main page is http://mcduffee-associates.us/dissertation/big-d.htm Enjoy. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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OT Palin leaves office in disgrace (tonight show spoof of palin's speech)
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:13:21 -0500, F.George wrote:
The underlying causal factors appear to be financial/corporate deregulation, international free trade, and open borders [for both people and products/services]. Oh, gawd, the same ol' socialist litany - blame "deregulation". In plain fact, the Free Market is the most brutal, merciless regulator there can be - if people don't buy your crap, you go broke. The rest is just rhetoric. And, of course, your elected rulers want to confiscate more of your money. Hope This Helps! Rich |
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:29:50 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
wrote: The underlying causal factors appear to be financial/corporate deregulation, international free trade, and open borders [for both people and products/services]. Oh, gawd, the same ol' socialist litany - blame "deregulation". ======= There are several different kinds of regulations. Some impede the operation of the free market, most don't do anything except provide governmental employment, but a few insure the continued existence of a free market by prohibiting price fixing, market manipulation, interstate sale of adulterated products and several more. The continued existence of financial and other organizations that are "too big to fail," is yet another example of a needed regulation to protect the free market not being enacted or enforced. The repeal of Glass-Steagall, the enactment 2000 Commodity Futures Trading Modernization Act [eliminating oversight of all sorts of derivatives] and now the failure to regulate [ban] "flash trading" otherwise known as "front running" in the securities markets, are all examples of regulatory failure to protect the free market. It should be of great concern to all conservative/populist/liberitarian voters that the *ONLY* voice being raised against "flash" or "high frequency" securities trading is Senator Schumer of N.Y., as liberal a politician as we have in the U.S., and not a group [or even a single one] of the "conservative" Republican defenders/appologists for the "Free Market." Be reminded when individuals do this, it is called "front running" and is illegal. Several traders have paid big fines and/or are doing time for exactly this activity. http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv...56R5OA20090728 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aZwoslIGa5JQ Another example of the need for regulation is the disclosure that several of the largest banks, just bailed out by the U.S. taxpayer because they were "too big to fail," have awarded more in executive bonuses that their total earnings. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aHURVoSUqpho Its the "Free Market," not the "Free To Do Anything You Want Market." Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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