Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

I don't have time to pick through 800 posts a day to find a few gems, or
an unsuspecting newbie needing some help..
I guess I'll go back to Practical Machinist for a while.

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:15:53 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Rex
quickly quoth:

Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

I don't have time to pick through 800 posts a day to find a few gems, or
an unsuspecting newbie needing some help..
I guess I'll go back to Practical Machinist for a while.

I'm irritated at having to hit the "Ignore" button on 75% of the
posts, too. But it doesn't take long. I download them all (30 seconds
via DSL nowadays) and then kill most of them. What ****es me off are
all the replies to known trollings by (otherwise) intelligent folks.
Amazing! sigh Well, we all have our bears to cross.

--
Change is the process by which the future invades our lives.
-- Alvin Toffler

Larry Jaques wrote:

I'm irritated at having to hit the "Ignore" button on 75% of the
posts, too. But it doesn't take long. I download them all (30 seconds
via DSL nowadays) and then kill most of them. What ****es me off are
all the replies to known trollings by (otherwise) intelligent folks.
Amazing! sigh Well, we all have our bears to cross.


After noticing TMT starting a couple threads off with a cross post to
alt.survivalism, I set a filter on him. It expires in 30 days but I can
always upgrade it.

I can't promise I won't argue with Ed though.

Wes

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:15:53 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Rex
quickly quoth:

Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

I don't have time to pick through 800 posts a day to find a few gems, or
an unsuspecting newbie needing some help..
I guess I'll go back to Practical Machinist for a while.

I'm irritated at having to hit the "Ignore" button on 75% of the
posts, too. But it doesn't take long. I download them all (30 seconds
via DSL nowadays) and then kill most of them. What ****es me off are
all the replies to known trollings by (otherwise) intelligent folks.
Amazing! sigh Well, we all have our bears to cross.

--
Change is the process by which the future invades our lives.
-- Alvin Toffler

Am I the only one that still uses OE? I can glance through the headers in
a few seconds and the OT stuff doesn't bother me...how could it, I can
simply ignore without opening the entire thread. What's with the 800
posts/day he's talking about? I see about 30 on a good day, a half a page.

Rex wrote:

Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

I don't have time to pick through 800 posts a day to find a few gems, or
an unsuspecting newbie needing some help..
I guess I'll go back to Practical Machinist for a while.


My version of Thunderbird has 'message filters' under 'tools' and
'create filter from message' under 'message' at the top of the page.


--
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Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file
* drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Maxwell Lol wrote:

Rex writes:

Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

Thunderbird is a mail program, and not really a news reader.
Using a real news reader isn't an "add-on". It's a replacement.

Killfiles can be fast and painless.


I like the newsreader in Netscape 4.78. I've used it since it first
came out.


--
aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists

Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file
* drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Maxwell Lol wrote:

Rex writes:


Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

Thunderbird is a mail program, and not really a news reader.
Using a real news reader isn't an "add-on". It's a replacement.

Killfiles can be fast and painless.



I like the newsreader in Netscape 4.78. I've used it since it first
came out.



I used that one for years. Still do on my '98 laptop.

But 7.2 is worth the effort for an upgrade.



Richard

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cavelamb himself wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Maxwell Lol wrote:

Rex writes:


Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

Thunderbird is a mail program, and not really a news reader.
Using a real news reader isn't an "add-on". It's a replacement.

Killfiles can be fast and painless.



I like the newsreader in Netscape 4.78. I've used it since it first
came out.



I used that one for years. Still do on my '98 laptop.

But 7.2 is worth the effort for an upgrade.


I have my archive of old posts and couldn't get them to work properly
with 7.2. I have moved the original instal from computer to computer,
along with the archives by installing the 4.78, then overwriting the
folder with the data from the older computer. I's made it through at
least six computers that way, starting with my first win 95 computer.
(150 MHz, 16 MB P1)


--
aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists

Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file
* drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Maxwell Lol wrote:

Rex writes:


Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

Thunderbird is a mail program, and not really a news reader.
Using a real news reader isn't an "add-on". It's a replacement.

Killfiles can be fast and painless.

I like the newsreader in Netscape 4.78. I've used it since it first
came out.


I am usine Netscape 7.2 and don't have many problems The "T" key gets
rid of any thread I don't want and highlights the next one not read.
...lew...only reading this because I'm bored with school closed

Lew Hartswick wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Maxwell Lol wrote:

Rex writes:


Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

Thunderbird is a mail program, and not really a news reader.
Using a real news reader isn't an "add-on". It's a replacement.

Killfiles can be fast and painless.

I like the newsreader in Netscape 4.78. I've used it since it first
came out.


I am usine Netscape 7.2 and don't have many problems The "T" key gets
rid of any thread I don't want and highlights the next one not read.
...lew...only reading this because I'm bored with school closed


I tried 7.2, and switched back after a few hours. I have 'control K'
on 4.78 to kill threads.


--
aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists

Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file
* drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
Am I the only one that still uses OE?

Nope. Blocking a sender in OE is a 10 second job. Both TMT and Cliff have
had a secure place on by blocked list for years now. Just take a moment to
learn how to use what you've got. Reading rcm is normally an enjoyable
experience for me because there is simply no need to suffer trolls.

Vaughn

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Rex wrote:
Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

I don't have time to pick through 800 posts a day to find a few gems, or
an unsuspecting newbie needing some help..
I guess I'll go back to Practical Machinist for a while.


My version of Thunderbird has 'message filters' under 'tools' and
'create filter from message' under 'message' at the top of the page.

Mine does too, and I use it for email, but it does not work on newsgroups

Rex B wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Rex wrote:
Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

I don't have time to pick through 800 posts a day to find a few gems, or
an unsuspecting newbie needing some help..
I guess I'll go back to Practical Machinist for a while.


My version of Thunderbird has 'message filters' under 'tools' and
'create filter from message' under 'message' at the top of the page.

Mine does too, and I use it for email, but it does not work on newsgroups


That must be why I stopped using it. Using a newsreader without
filters is like a car with no wheels. You might get there, but you won't
enjoy the ride.


--
aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists

Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file
* drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
Am I the only one that still uses OE?

Nope. Blocking a sender in OE is a 10 second job. Both TMT and Cliff have
had a secure place on by blocked list for years now. Just take a moment to
learn how to use what you've got. Reading rcm is normally an enjoyable
experience for me because there is simply no need to suffer trolls.

Vaughn



I never could figure out what all the complaining was about, Is OE not "cool"
enough? It seems to do a great job for me.

On 2008-03-25, Tom Gardner wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:15:53 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Rex
quickly quoth:

[ ... ]

I don't have time to pick through 800 posts a day to find a few gems, or
an unsuspecting newbie needing some help..
I guess I'll go back to Practical Machinist for a while.

I'm irritated at having to hit the "Ignore" button on 75% of the
posts, too. But it doesn't take long. I download them all (30 seconds
via DSL nowadays) and then kill most of them. What ****es me off are
all the replies to known trollings by (otherwise) intelligent folks.
Amazing! sigh Well, we all have our bears to cross.

[ ... ]

Am I the only one that still uses OE?

I don't know, though I fear not. I know that I can't use OE,
and am glad that I can't.

I can glance through the headers in
a few seconds and the OT stuff doesn't bother me...how could it, I can
simply ignore without opening the entire thread. What's with the 800
posts/day he's talking about? I see about 30 on a good day, a half a page.

It is a function of how good your news server's spam filtering
is before things get to you. I get about 300 per day, of which 200 are
zapped by the killfile -- many on IP range to get rid of a lot of the
real spam (China, India, and a few others), and some varying percentage
on "Subject: " header contents, plus a few on "From: " (which get rid of
quite a few). My "Subject: " ones are set up to die after typically 30
days, since an off-topic thread seldom runs longer than that. If it
does, I just put it in for another 30 days. :-)

If you are only seeing 30 on a good day (prior to you killing
off those you don't want to read), I would suggest that your news server
is killing off too much.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Tom Gardner wrote:

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
Am I the only one that still uses OE?

Nope. Blocking a sender in OE is a 10 second job. Both TMT and Cliff have
had a secure place on by blocked list for years now. Just take a moment to
learn how to use what you've got. Reading rcm is normally an enjoyable
experience for me because there is simply no need to suffer trolls.

Vaughn



I never could figure out what all the complaining was about, Is OE not "cool"
enough? It seems to do a great job for me.


Too many security problems. Before some of the major patches it
would open and run a trojan program without you even opening the
message. add .jpg or any other image extension to an executable, and it
would run it without asking permission. Remember the SVEN virus? OE
helped to spread it and infect millions of computers.


--
aioe.org is home to cowards and terrorists

Add this line to your news proxy nfilter.dat file
* drop Path:*aioe.org!not-for-mail to drop all aioe.org traffic.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Tom Gardner wrote:

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. ..

Am I the only one that still uses OE?

Nope. Blocking a sender in OE is a 10 second job. Both TMT and Cliff have
had a secure place on by blocked list for years now. Just take a moment to
learn how to use what you've got. Reading rcm is normally an enjoyable
experience for me because there is simply no need to suffer trolls.

Vaughn




I never could figure out what all the complaining was about, Is OE not "cool"
enough? It seems to do a great job for me.




It's an After-the-fact knock off of Netscape (Mozilla).


Richard
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George Elliot

"Maxwell Lol" wrote in message
...
Rex writes:

Well, between Cliff and TMT, the signal/noise ratio here has exceeded
the value of the sparse metalworking content provided. My newsreader
doesn't have decent filtering and I'm loathe to add another add-on to
the overhead.

Thunderbird is a mail program, and not really a news reader.
Using a real news reader isn't an "add-on". It's a replacement.

Killfiles can be fast and painless.

Speaking for myself, the problem here are the off-topic posters and no
amount of "better" newsreaders is going to fix that. The problem is rampant
across all the "serious" newsgroups I read.

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:42:57 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote:

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
...

Nope. Blocking a sender in OE is a 10 second job. Both TMT and Cliff have
had a secure place on by blocked list for years now. Just take a moment to
learn how to use what you've got. Reading rcm is normally an enjoyable
experience for me because there is simply no need to suffer trolls.

I never could figure out what all the complaining was about, Is OE not "cool"
enough? It seems to do a great job for me.

In all seriousness, there are tools dedicated to newsreading which have
better workflow for reading, filtering, killfiling, and so on. OE
works, sure, but it's kind of like driving on all-season tires. Average
in any conditions. If you buy snow tires for winter, and performance
tires for summer, you get a better product all the time compared to a
generic "do everything and nothing well" product.

It's significantly better as a newsreader than google news's web
interface, though.

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:10:30 -0600, Mike Henry wrote:

Speaking for myself, the problem here are the off-topic posters and no
amount of "better" newsreaders is going to fix that. The problem is rampant
across all the "serious" newsgroups I read.

Actually, you might find that many of these off-topic posters are
posting to multiple newsgroups. A decent newsreader will let you
killfile by regular expression, so you can block, say,
Newsgroups: *,*,*
....which will block anything crossposted to 3 or more groups (like
Cliff's Crap). Amazing how much of the crap that takes out. And as DoN
stated, (paraphrasing), blocking entire continents by IP range, is quite
effective as well.

On 2008-03-27, Mike Henry wrote:

"Maxwell Lol" wrote in message
...

[ ... ]

Thunderbird is a mail program, and not really a news reader.
Using a real news reader isn't an "add-on". It's a replacement.

Killfiles can be fast and painless.

Speaking for myself, the problem here are the off-topic posters and no
amount of "better" newsreaders is going to fix that. The problem is rampant
across all the "serious" newsgroups I read.

Well ... my killfile (in a better newsreader) kills of about 66%
of the typical day's traffic. Some of that is spam killed based on IP
address range (such as the frequent footwear spams from China) , some
spam killed based on wildcard matching in the "Subject: " header.

However -- some is permanent killfiling of a few individuals,
and adding OT (typically political) "Subject: " lines to the killfile
for 30 days (after which they are automatically removed -- and the
discussion has usually died by then as well. This keeps what is left a
lot more fun to read.

So -- yes, a better newsreader can make things a lot better.
FWIW, the one which I currently use is "slrn", which I believe has been
ported to Windows as well as being available on must flavors of unix
(including Macs running OS-X, which really have a unix hiding under the
GUI.)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 27 Mar 2008 17:35:13 -0400, Maxwell Lol wrote:
Dave Hinz writes:

Actually, you might find that many of these off-topic posters are
posting to multiple newsgroups. A decent newsreader will let you
killfile by regular expression, so you can block, say,
Newsgroups: *,*,*

If it's a RE, You probably mean

Newsgroups: .*,.*,

Hm. My regexp will block any post sent to 3 or more groups, yours I
believe wouldn't hit unless a newsgroup's name starts with a .
Perhaps different apps expand it differently, though.