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"Dave Hinz" wrote Lead therapy, dose of 1-7/8 ounce, delivered at somewhere around 1000FPS. I prefer the 3/4" diameter delivery mechanism. The little ****ers are making hills everywhere. And for every hill there's a hole waiting to trip something, yup. That would be simple. But I never see them. And I did step in a tunnel the other day, but it wasn't a bad one. I have a S&W .357 with rat shot that would be good, too. Steve |
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"Doug White" wrote A coworker of mine in silicon valley had a ranch up in the Santa Cruz mountains. He thought gophers were "cute" until one year they had heavy rains. An entire hillside detached from the mountain & made a hell of a mess. It was sort of like "tear on dotted line", the hill had sheared along a surface passing neatly through a large network of gopher tunnels. He suddenly started pumping me for info on .22 rifles, scopes, ammo, etc. Doug White I think there's a misconception here. I have never seen a gopher. They do all their things below ground. A prairie dog, or a ground squirrel spends a lot of time on top of the ground, so one can get a shot at them. Maybe I don't know the proper stakeout for a gopher, but it doesn't sound like anything I have the patience for or capacity for that much beer before the first one shows up. I'd probably hit the house. Steve |
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SteveB wrote:
"Doug White" wrote A coworker of mine in silicon valley had a ranch up in the Santa Cruz mountains. He thought gophers were "cute" until one year they had heavy rains. An entire hillside detached from the mountain & made a hell of a mess. It was sort of like "tear on dotted line", the hill had sheared along a surface passing neatly through a large network of gopher tunnels. He suddenly started pumping me for info on .22 rifles, scopes, ammo, etc. Doug White I think there's a misconception here. I have never seen a gopher. They do all their things below ground. A prairie dog, or a ground squirrel spends a lot of time on top of the ground, so one can get a shot at them. Maybe I don't know the proper stakeout for a gopher, but it doesn't sound like anything I have the patience for or capacity for that much beer before the first one shows up. I'd probably hit the house. Steve Yeah. There are gophers and then there are gophers. The underground ones are usually better off being referred to as Pocket Gophers (known as moles around the farms I shot ground squirrels, also known as gophers). Best fastest and most effective thing I have found for pocket gophers is a trap called The Black Hole Trap. Like any trapping, the set-up is key. You have to plant the trap with one end sealed to the tunnel, and the other end open to air. The area around the mouth must be sealed to the tunnel, usually with a bit of sod or dirt. I had great success, setting the trap in the mouth of a fresh mound, as well as tee'd across the side of a tunnel run, found by either feeling it cave underfoot, or some judicious probing with a wire, between fresh mounds. My best time was 6 minutes from set to trapped! :-) Cheers Trevor Jones |
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On 8 Aug 2007 03:03:34 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:47:06 -0600, SteveB wrote: I'm going to use piezo electric, but different than the ones that click one time with one push. A friend of mine has a Coleman barbecue, of all brands. The clicker will click for as long as you hold the button down. Once you get one, please explain how that works. With what I know of piezo-electric transducers, that is impossible, but I would it find it immensely useful to be wrong in this instance. There is a piezo sparker for striking torches that puts out more than one spark per squeeze. It has some sort of ratcheting action that causes the crystal to be repeatedly hit as you squeeze the handle. |
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:04:31 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote: On 8 Aug 2007 03:03:34 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:47:06 -0600, SteveB wrote: I'm going to use piezo electric, but different than the ones that click one time with one push. A friend of mine has a Coleman barbecue, of all brands. The clicker will click for as long as you hold the button down. Once you get one, please explain how that works. With what I know of piezo-electric transducers, that is impossible, but I would it find it immensely useful to be wrong in this instance. There is a piezo sparker for striking torches that puts out more than one spark per squeeze. It has some sort of ratcheting action that causes the crystal to be repeatedly hit as you squeeze the handle. But even it has a limit. How about a rotary piezo igniter like on a BroilKing BBQ? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Aug 8, 1:12 am, "SteveB" wrote:
"Doug White" wrote A coworker of mine in silicon valley had a ranch up in the Santa Cruz mountains. He thought gophers were "cute" until one year they had heavy rains. An entire hillside detached from the mountain & made a hell of a mess. It was sort of like "tear on dotted line", the hill had sheared along a surface passing neatly through a large network of gopher tunnels. He suddenly started pumping me for info on .22 rifles, scopes, ammo, etc. Doug White I think there's a misconception here. I have never seen a gopher. They do all their things below ground. A prairie dog, or a ground squirrel spends a lot of time on top of the ground, so one can get a shot at them. Maybe I don't know the proper stakeout for a gopher, but it doesn't sound like anything I have the patience for or capacity for that much beer before the first one shows up. I'd probably hit the house. Steve LOL...that reminds me of my younger years. We would go get two cylinders of CO2 and a keg of beer when a gopher was spotted. One cylinder of CO2 would be put down the gopher hole while the other one was used for the keg. Got the gopher and emptied the keg....a win win situation. TMT |
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On Aug 8, 4:06 pm, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:04:31 -0500, Wayne Cook wrote: On 8 Aug 2007 03:03:34 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:47:06 -0600, SteveB wrote: I'm going to use piezo electric, but different than the ones that click one time with one push. A friend of mine has a Coleman barbecue, of all brands. The clicker will click for as long as you hold the button down. Once you get one, please explain how that works. With what I know of piezo-electric transducers, that is impossible, but I would it find it immensely useful to be wrong in this instance. There is a piezo sparker for striking torches that puts out more than one spark per squeeze. It has some sort of ratcheting action that causes the crystal to be repeatedly hit as you squeeze the handle. But even it has a limit. How about a rotary piezo igniter like on a BroilKing BBQ? -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com How about using one of those electric igniters that they use for model rockets? You can even have the kids count down and push the "launch" button. TMT |
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 23:07:49 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote: "Gerald Miller" wrote Don't know about gophers, but every couple years I have a skunk move in under the floor of my storage shed. I just drop a few moth balls through a hole in the floor and they move up the block to visit the wildlife control fellow four doors up. Gerry :-)} London, Canada We had a chipmunk take up residence in the tongue and groove siding two springs ago. We trot on down to Ace, and the lady says mothballs are the answer, and a couple should do it. My wife gets TWO boxes, which I obediently pour into the wallspace. Overkill of near the fourth magnitude. This summer, the smell is finally gone. I was ready to rip out the tongue and groove. Oh, yeah, she had me pepper spray the hole just for good measure, too. Sealed the hole with a piece of rusty tin to go with the weathered stained siding. So far so good. Maybe the mothballs are still working just enough. Steve Been here 23 years and I'm still on my first box of moth balls, of course I keep them in a sealed glass jar which only gets opened about every second year. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Nick Hull wrote: I usually put a hose in and flood the tunnels (expect 50 gal) and shoot hom when he comes out Free men own guns - & Gophers don't. A picture of a Saskatchewan gopher http://belglen.sasktelwebsite.net/army.jpg |
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"RJ" wrote: A picture of a Saskatchewan gopher http://belglen.sasktelwebsite.net/army.jpg Are they all left-handed, er pawed? The beret looks good on the "gopher." |
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Don Foreman wrote: If they're pocket gophers, right on. They do appear above ground but seldom. Shooting gophers requires sniper-grade patience. Flooding sometimes works, shoot them with a .22 handgun when flooding makes them come up for air -- but you'll kill or not with first shot. Don, from the Gopher State (MN) When my kids were little and we would visit my uncle J.R. he would gather up his gopher getters. Thay were made from 3/8" steel rod, bent into a 10 to 12" u with the ends bent up. On the ends was a backing plate where he mounted a 3" piece of 3/4" pipe out from the plate so he could get a pipe cap on it, aimed at and 12 to 14" above the ground. The cap had a hole in the middle of it. Above that was the workings of a mouse trap mounted so it would hit the pipe cap. A piece of welding rod was used to trigger the mouse trap. It ran though a tube on the backing plate to the ground where it was bent 90deg. He would place this over the gopher hole, put a thin piece of wood over gopher hole that the welding rod would touch. Then put a 12ga shotshell in the pipe, put the cap on, cock the mouse trap, put a sawed off nail in the hole in the pipe cap as a firing pin, and wait to hear from the gopher. I am not recommending to build one of these, just relaying something I saw 30+ years ago. Don |
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On Aug 9, 7:14 am, John Husvar wrote:
In article , "RJ" wrote: A picture of a Saskatchewan gopher http://belglen.sasktelwebsite.net/army.jpg Are they all left-handed, er pawed? The beret looks good on the "gopher." Here's a right-hander gopher: http://www.funny.co.uk/stuff/art_175...ck-gopher.html This gopher got mad enough to take on the garden tractor: http://www.pipebombnews.com/readerimages/gopher.gif Dan |
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:30:13 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Don
Murray quickly quoth: Don Foreman wrote: If they're pocket gophers, right on. They do appear above ground but seldom. Shooting gophers requires sniper-grade patience. Flooding sometimes works, shoot them with a .22 handgun when flooding makes them come up for air -- but you'll kill or not with first shot. Don, from the Gopher State (MN) When my kids were little and we would visit my uncle J.R. he would gather up his gopher getters. Thay were made from 3/8" steel rod, bent into a 10 to 12" u with the ends bent up. On the ends was a backing plate where he mounted a 3" piece of 3/4" pipe out from the plate so he could get a pipe cap on it, aimed at and 12 to 14" above the ground. The cap had a hole in the middle of it. Above that was the workings of a mouse trap mounted so it would hit the pipe cap. A piece of welding rod was used to trigger the mouse trap. It ran though a tube on the backing plate to the ground where it was bent 90deg. He would place this over the gopher hole, put a thin piece of wood over gopher hole that the welding rod would touch. Then put a 12ga shotshell in the pipe, put the cap on, cock the mouse trap, put a sawed off nail in the hole in the pipe cap as a firing pin, and wait to hear from the gopher. I am not recommending to build one of these, just relaying something I saw 30+ years ago. Gopher IEDs. I love it! g -- The ancient and curious thing called religion, as it shows itself in the modern world, is often so overladen with excrescences and irrelevancies that its fundamental nature tends to be obscured. --H.L. Mencken in "Treatise on the Gods" |
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:30:13 GMT, Don Murray
wrote: Don Foreman wrote: If they're pocket gophers, right on. They do appear above ground but seldom. Shooting gophers requires sniper-grade patience. Flooding sometimes works, shoot them with a .22 handgun when flooding makes them come up for air -- but you'll kill or not with first shot. When my kids were little and we would visit my uncle J.R. he would gather up his gopher getters. Thay were made from 3/8" steel rod, bent into a 10 to 12" u with the ends bent up. On the ends was a backing plate where he mounted a 3" piece of 3/4" pipe out from the plate so he could get a pipe cap on it, aimed at and 12 to 14" above the ground. The cap had a hole in the middle of it. Above that was the workings of a mouse trap mounted so it would hit the pipe cap. A piece of welding rod was used to trigger the mouse trap. It ran though a tube on the backing plate to the ground where it was bent 90deg. He would place this over the gopher hole, put a thin piece of wood over gopher hole that the welding rod would touch. Then put a 12ga shotshell in the pipe, put the cap on, cock the mouse trap, put a sawed off nail in the hole in the pipe cap as a firing pin, and wait to hear from the gopher. I am not recommending to build one of these, just relaying something I saw 30+ years ago. Geez - wouldn't it be easier to build a miniature Claymore Mine? (The "Front - Toward Enemy" markings optional) -- Bruce -- |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote on Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:15:14 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:30:13 GMT, Don Murray wrote: Don Foreman wrote: If they're pocket gophers, right on. They do appear above ground but seldom. Shooting gophers requires sniper-grade patience. Flooding sometimes works, shoot them with a .22 handgun when flooding makes them come up for air -- but you'll kill or not with first shot. When my kids were little and we would visit my uncle J.R. he would gather up his gopher getters. Thay were made from 3/8" steel rod, bent into a 10 to 12" u with the ends bent up. On the ends was a backing plate where he mounted a 3" piece of 3/4" pipe out from the plate so he could get a pipe cap on it, aimed at and 12 to 14" above the ground. The cap had a hole in the middle of it. Above that was the workings of a mouse trap mounted so it would hit the pipe cap. A piece of welding rod was used to trigger the mouse trap. It ran though a tube on the backing plate to the ground where it was bent 90deg. He would place this over the gopher hole, put a thin piece of wood over gopher hole that the welding rod would touch. Then put a 12ga shotshell in the pipe, put the cap on, cock the mouse trap, put a sawed off nail in the hole in the pipe cap as a firing pin, and wait to hear from the gopher. I am not recommending to build one of these, just relaying something I saw 30+ years ago. Geez - wouldn't it be easier to build a miniature Claymore Mine? (The "Front - Toward Enemy" markings optional) Maybe, but then again, some folks like to "tinker". tschus pyotr Remember, the Atom Bomb was the Ultimate Geek Toy. Lots of number crunching, lots of metalworking, lots of electronics. All to do what? Make a big boom. Lots of flash, lots of noise, lots of dirt going into the air. Neat. -- pyotr filipivich "Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. " Lucius Annaeus Seneca, circa 45 AD (A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.) |
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Don Murray wrote:
... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ... HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage. My $.02, Bob |
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"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message . .. Don Murray wrote: ... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ... HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage. My $.02, Bob And it's too bad it didn't get more of some of the more seriously dumb little ****ers. There are too many of them around today as seriously dumb big ****ers. Steve |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:14:22 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote: Don Murray wrote: ... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ... HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage. My $.02, Bob You normally have strange children adrift on your property, pulling metal assemblies out of the ground? Gunner |
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Gunner Asch wrote on Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:40:29 -0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking : On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:14:22 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote: Don Murray wrote: ... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ... HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage. My $.02, Bob You normally have strange children adrift on your property, pulling metal assemblies out of the ground? Not a second time... pyotr -- pyotr filipivich "Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. " Lucius Annaeus Seneca, circa 45 AD (A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.) |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:02:59 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
pyotr filipivich quickly quoth: After a Computer crash and the demise of civilization, it was learned Gunner Asch wrote on Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:40:29 -0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking : On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:14:22 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote: Don Murray wrote: ... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ... HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage. My $.02, Bob You normally have strange children adrift on your property, pulling metal assemblies out of the ground? Not a second time... ROTFLMAO! I'm lucky I wasn't sipping coffee at that moment, Pete. 2 points! So, when he buries 'em, does that stink out or scare away the gophers? -- The ancient and curious thing called religion, as it shows itself in the modern world, is often so overladen with excrescences and irrelevancies that its fundamental nature tends to be obscured. --H.L. Mencken in "Treatise on the Gods" |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:48:34 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote: "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... Don Murray wrote: ... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ... HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage. My $.02, Bob And it's too bad it didn't get more of some of the more seriously dumb little ****ers. There are too many of them around today as seriously dumb big ****ers. And then they advance to the level of their incompetence as teachers or silly servants. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:17:15 -0700, Too_Many_Tools
scribed: On Aug 8, 4:06 pm, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:04:31 -0500, Wayne Cook wrote: On 8 Aug 2007 03:03:34 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:47:06 -0600, SteveB wrote: I'm going to use piezo electric, but different than the ones that click one time with one push. A friend of mine has a Coleman barbecue, of all brands. The clicker will click for as long as you hold the button down. Once you get one, please explain how that works. With what I know of piezo-electric transducers, that is impossible, but I would it find it immensely useful to be wrong in this instance. There is a piezo sparker for striking torches that puts out more than one spark per squeeze. It has some sort of ratcheting action that causes the crystal to be repeatedly hit as you squeeze the handle. But even it has a limit. How about a rotary piezo igniter like on a BroilKing BBQ? -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com How about using one of those electric igniters that they use for model rockets? You can even have the kids count down and push the "launch" button. TMT Good idea! Keep away from danger and a family fun time! If there is enough juice in the tunnels, maybe launch one of them dang Gophers into orbit... Dinna know if that qualifies for the X-Prize, but would look damn good on anyone's resume ;-) Hmm... Getting visions of the Roadrunner/Coyote cartoons... Cheers, Phred |
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