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Welding & frying electronics on the welded item
I need to reinforce a guard on the mower deck of my zero turn mower (Grasshopper 52" w Kohler Command engine). I'll probably take the battery out just because I have to tip it up at a 45º or steeper angle to get to the underside easier and I don't want to take a chance of the battery leaking. I'll probably clamp the ground on the deck not far from where I'll be stick welding. Do I need to do anything special to keep from frying any electronics on the mower? If I were welding on a car, what do you do to prevent ruining electronic devices? Correct the email address if you want to reply off line. RWL |
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On cars, clamping next to the weld is risky, but usually done. Muffler
shops routinely mig without blowing up the ECM this way, and on late model cars, even disconnecting the battery can lead to a world of hurt, as many systems need to be re-coded or initialized. If it were MY car, I'd disconnect both battery terminals, connect them together with a jumper, and unplug all the modules before welding. The latter might require considerable labor time for access to them. JR Dweller in the cellar GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote: I need to reinforce a guard on the mower deck of my zero turn mower (Grasshopper 52" w Kohler Command engine). I'll probably take the battery out just because I have to tip it up at a 45º or steeper angle to get to the underside easier and I don't want to take a chance of the battery leaking. I'll probably clamp the ground on the deck not far from where I'll be stick welding. Do I need to do anything special to keep from frying any electronics on the mower? If I were welding on a car, what do you do to prevent ruining electronic devices? Correct the email address if you want to reply off line. RWL -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
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"JR North" wrote: On cars, clamping next to the weld is risky, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No, that is the right way to do it. What you DON'T want to do is put the ground clamp somewhere else, for two reasons: 1.) Don't give the welding current a return path that could include any electronics. 2.) Don't give the welding current a path that includes any bearings. Disconnecting the battery is not necessary--the welding current isn't going that way, and wouldn't hurt the battery if it did. The battery can handle hundreds of amps easily. And you are right: disconnecting the battery could cause you to have to reprogram a bunch of stuff, including your radio stations and the radio's antitheft lockout. |
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On Jul 21, 3:23 am, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote: "JR North" wrote: On cars, clamping next to the weld is risky, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No, that is the right way to do it. What you DON'T want to do is put the ground clamp somewhere else, for two reasons: 1.) Don't give the welding current a return path that could include any electronics. 2.) Don't give the welding current a path that includes any bearings. Disconnecting the battery is not necessary--the welding current isn't going that way, and wouldn't hurt the battery if it did. The battery can handle hundreds of amps easily. And you are right: disconnecting the battery could cause you to have to reprogram a bunch of stuff, including your radio stations and the radio's antitheft lockout. If reprogramming is NOT the issue the disconnecting the negative battery terminal (Which is recommended for my car) will leave in theory every circuit open and as sunch not ABLE to pass welding urrent through them. I've heard of an instance where a stainless exhaust was installed without disconnecting the negative battery terminal. After the system was TIG'ed in the car wasnt running right and it eventually required the replacement of the computer to blow it. I'd rather reprogram a radio than replace an ECM Computer Brent Ottawa Canada |
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As a welder in many shops with different backgrounds including heavy truck
body fabrication and truck trays as well as light vehicle trays and other light vehicle work i can confirm that it is common established practice in all shops to disconnect the negative terminal at least, and in some places the positive also. For most trucks, and many light vehicles in the mining sector they have a battery isolation switch for safety and turning that off is sufficient. Having your earth clamp as close as possible to the weld is also common practice, or at least having it in the opposite direction of the electronics. Stray current is hard to predict though, so far better to isolate the battery. Provided earth is removed and all electronics were installed correctly, this is the safest way. Shaun "Brent" wrote in message oups.com... On Jul 21, 3:23 am, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: "JR North" wrote: On cars, clamping next to the weld is risky, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No, that is the right way to do it. What you DON'T want to do is put the ground clamp somewhere else, for two reasons: 1.) Don't give the welding current a return path that could include any electronics. 2.) Don't give the welding current a path that includes any bearings. Disconnecting the battery is not necessary--the welding current isn't going that way, and wouldn't hurt the battery if it did. The battery can handle hundreds of amps easily. And you are right: disconnecting the battery could cause you to have to reprogram a bunch of stuff, including your radio stations and the radio's antitheft lockout. If reprogramming is NOT the issue the disconnecting the negative battery terminal (Which is recommended for my car) will leave in theory every circuit open and as sunch not ABLE to pass welding urrent through them. I've heard of an instance where a stainless exhaust was installed without disconnecting the negative battery terminal. After the system was TIG'ed in the car wasnt running right and it eventually required the replacement of the computer to blow it. I'd rather reprogram a radio than replace an ECM Computer Brent Ottawa Canada |
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"Brent" wrote in message oups.com... On Jul 21, 3:23 am, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: "JR North" wrote: On cars, clamping next to the weld is risky, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No, that is the right way to do it. What you DON'T want to do is put the ground clamp somewhere else, for two reasons: 1.) Don't give the welding current a return path that could include any electronics. 2.) Don't give the welding current a path that includes any bearings. Disconnecting the battery is not necessary--the welding current isn't going that way, and wouldn't hurt the battery if it did. The battery can handle hundreds of amps easily. And you are right: disconnecting the battery could cause you to have to reprogram a bunch of stuff, including your radio stations and the radio's antitheft lockout. If reprogramming is NOT the issue the disconnecting the negative battery terminal (Which is recommended for my car) will leave in theory every circuit open and as sunch not ABLE to pass welding urrent through them. There is a "Memory Keeper" tool - essentially a lighter plug and a nine-volt battery- that will keep the various ECM/radio memories powered up when the battery is disconnected. Don't tied the battery cables together and be sure to pull the courtesy light fuse(s). -Carl -- This just in: a disturbing new study find that studies are disturbing. More on this story as it develops. |
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I didn't mean placing the ground clamp next to the weld was MORE risky
than somewhere else, My meaning was, the whole procedure has inherent risk. JR Dweller in the cellar Leo Lichtman wrote: "JR North" wrote: On cars, clamping next to the weld is risky, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No, that is the right way to do it. What you DON'T want to do is put the ground clamp somewhere else, for two reasons: 1.) Don't give the welding current a return path that could include any electronics. 2.) Don't give the welding current a path that includes any bearings. Disconnecting the battery is not necessary--the welding current isn't going that way, and wouldn't hurt the battery if it did. The battery can handle hundreds of amps easily. And you are right: disconnecting the battery could cause you to have to reprogram a bunch of stuff, including your radio stations and the radio's antitheft lockout. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
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