I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

"Don" wrote in message
...
I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

I can't imagine getting all of the oil out using this method, and what about
the oil in the oil filter and oil filter itself? Isn't the investment in
your vehicle worth doing it right?

Transmission fluid? Same as above.

Lane

"Don" wrote in message
...
I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

My opinion? I wouldn't do it. When properly done, an engine should have
the oil drained while hot, removing the drain plug, which should be the
lowest point in the pan. That way large particles of "dirt" are flushed
from the pan, making for a cleaner engine. On the other hand, if you're
unable to crawl under the vehicle to do it that way, it's far better than
not changing the oil. Most importantly, make sure you change the filter
each time so it doesn't pack off and start bypassing.

Harold

On 2 Mar 2004 11:30:26 -0800, (Don) wrote:

|I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
|hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
|is very cold.
|
|I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
|dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
|off the pan.
|
|Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
|way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
|use it with your air compressor.

that would be simple enough to make yourself.
You'd need a vacuum source - HF, $9.95 on sale
Steel tubing to fit down the dipstick hole, long enough to reach the bottom.
Reservoir at least 6 quarts in size, vacuum-tight and strong enough not to
collapse from the vacuum. You would need to add two tubes through the top. One
would extend almost to the bottom of the container, the other just needs to go
thorugh the lid.
Tubing to connect all the above.

Stick the tube in the dipstick tube, attach flex hose between that and the
longer reservoir tube, then connect the shorter reservoir tube to the vacuum
pump. Apply vacuum until all the oil is out.

Then I'd pull the drain plug and see how much is left.
Rex in Fort Worth

Lane sez: "and what about
the oil in the oil filter and oil filter itself?"

Naw, you'd still have to change the filter. There used to be "quick change"
places that used the dip-stick method.

Bob Swinney




"Lane" lane_nospam@copperaccents_dot_com wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...
I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

I can't imagine getting all of the oil out using this method, Isn't the
investment in
your vehicle worth doing it right?

Transmission fluid? Same as above.

Lane

$29.95 at the Quick Lube and to heck with that crawling around under
the car crap.

When I was younger and poorer I did whatever I could myself. Now I am
more than happy to pay some other under educated fool to do it.

Errol Groff




On 2 Mar 2004 11:30:26 -0800, (Don) wrote:

I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

The other replies offer sensible reasons for not doing your oil change that
way.

For automatic transmissions, it's best to drain the torque converter at
fluid changes. A service shop here would drill the converter housing to
drain it, then screw a tapping plug in it.
That type of service is worth paying for.

WB
...............

"Don" wrote in message
...
I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

|
|Naw, you'd still have to change the filter. There used to be "quick change"
|places that used the dip-stick method.

That method is the standard in the marine industry. Mobile oil suckers go along
the docks and change your oil. Kinda hard to get to that drain plug on a marine
engine.
Rex in Fort Worth

"Wild Bill" wrote in message
...
The other replies offer sensible reasons for not doing your oil change
that
way.

Yet *another* persona, Bill?

On 2 Mar 2004 11:30:26 -0800, (Don) wrote:

I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Using this method on the trans before pulling off the pan would make
the pan removal a lot easier and less messy....

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:10:50 GMT, (Rex B)
wrote:

On 2 Mar 2004 11:30:26 -0800, (Don) wrote:

|I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
|hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
|is very cold.
|
|I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
|dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
|off the pan.


Then I'd pull the drain plug and see how much is left.
Rex in Fort Worth



I recently did that in my Audi A4...I have the hand vacuum from
Griot's Garage. I used the dipstick tube to get the oil and out and
when I was done, I pulled the drain plug; a few drops came out of the
drain plug.

An article on the subject from Ray & Tom (via their website) suggests
that either method gets approximately 95% of the old oil out of the
pan.

YMMV.

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Wild Bill wrote:

A service shop here would drill the converter housing to
drain it, then screw a tapping plug in it.
That type of service is worth paying for.

Until a) they drill through the friction material on the lockup clutch
or b) the stupid tapping plug flies out at 6500 RPM, makes a hole the
size of your fist in the bellhousing, and takes the front half of your
right foot with it.


It was great back when all American automatics had drain plugs, but the
truth is that if you let the transmission drain overnight when you
change your fluid you'll get all but about 1.5 quarts out of the
convertor. Since most automatics hold between 8-10 quarts, that means
you're getting 80-90% of the fluid. Combined with regular changes,
that's PLENTY of fluid exchange and no cause to go drilling holes and
screwing plugs in a precision-balanced piece of machinery.

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message ...
"Don" wrote in message
...
I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

My opinion? I wouldn't do it. When properly done, an engine should have
the oil drained while hot, removing the drain plug, which should be the
lowest point in the pan. That way large particles of "dirt" are flushed
from the pan, making for a cleaner engine. On the other hand, if you're
unable to crawl under the vehicle to do it that way, it's far better than
not changing the oil. Most importantly, make sure you change the filter
each time so it doesn't pack off and start bypassing.

Shouldn't any large particles of "dirt" be trapped by the filter?

Don wrote:

I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.
you not gonna get any metal parts in the oil that fell to the bottom....
at least when you take out the drain plug you have a chance to get out
all the trash as it going to settle to the bottom.....
mityvac makes some good products, but that is one that i would not want
from any manufacturer.....

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

This is routinely done on boats because you can't reach the drain plug, and if
you could, the oil would spill out into the bilge and, eventually, into the
lake. I've used the drill powered pump. You'd have to pull the engine in my
boat to get at the drain plug.
Gary Brady
Austin, TX

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, y_p_w wrote:

My opinion? I wouldn't do it. When properly done, an engine should
have the oil drained while hot, removing the drain plug, which should
be the lowest point in the pan. That way large particles of "dirt"
are flushed from the pan, making for a cleaner engine. On the other
hand, if you're unable to crawl under the vehicle to do it that way,
it's far better than not changing the oil. Most importantly, make
sure you change the filter each time so it doesn't pack off and start
bypassing.

Shouldn't any large particles of "dirt" be trapped by the filter?

Remove an oil pan from an engine that's had three or four of these
dipstick tube oil "changes" sometime, then ask your question again...if
you still have to.

When I was a Kid my Dad's boat had a straight six Ford marine engine in
it. When refinishing the hull one summer he thought I'd be a good idea
to do a full drain of the oil. Turned out there was no oil pan drain
plug so we had to remove the pan entirely.


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"Daniel J. Stern" wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, y_p_w wrote:

My opinion? I wouldn't do it. When properly done, an engine should
have the oil drained while hot, removing the drain plug, which should
be the lowest point in the pan. That way large particles of "dirt"
are flushed from the pan, making for a cleaner engine. On the other
hand, if you're unable to crawl under the vehicle to do it that way,
it's far better than not changing the oil. Most importantly, make
sure you change the filter each time so it doesn't pack off and start
bypassing.

Shouldn't any large particles of "dirt" be trapped by the filter?

Remove an oil pan from an engine that's had three or four of these
dipstick tube oil "changes" sometime, then ask your question again...if
you still have to.

As noted by another poster, marine engines routinely have the oil removed
via the dipstick. Another poster found that the dipstick method was just as
good as draining. And some models of Benz (and perhaps other makes) have no
drain plug.
You need to review your conclusions.

Chas Hurst

OSPAM (Gary Brady) wrote in
:

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

This is routinely done on boats because you can't reach the drain
plug, and if you could, the oil would spill out into the bilge and,
eventually, into the lake. I've used the drill powered pump. You'd
have to pull the engine in my boat to get at the drain plug.
Gary Brady
Austin, TX


Yes,
But I bet if you look at the pan on your boat, it is made with that in
mind. An automotive engine pan is made to clear the crossmember,
suspension parts, rack & pinion housing and other things, the placement
of the dipstick tube does not (in many cases), line up with the deepest
part of the pan. Might work fine on a 350 in a big chevy truck, but may
not be the same results with a 350 in a camaro.



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You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Chas Hurst wrote:

Shouldn't any large particles of "dirt" be trapped by the filter?

Remove an oil pan from an engine that's had three or four of these
dipstick tube oil "changes" sometime, then ask your question again...if
you still have to.

As noted by another poster, marine engines routinely have the oil removed
via the dipstick.

Jolly good. However, this is rec.AUTOS.tech, and the question concerned a
car.

Another poster found that the dipstick method was just as
good as draining.

No, another poster *stated* the dipstick method is just as good. "Found"
implies he did some science to arrive at his conclusion.

You need to review your conclusions.

I conclude that opinions are like assholes: Everyone's got one, and they
all stink.

This is routinely done on boats because you can't reach the drain plug,
and if
you could, the oil would spill out into the bilge and, eventually, into
the
lake. I've used the drill powered pump. You'd have to pull the engine
in my
boat to get at the drain plug.
Gary Brady
Austin, TX


But don't you at least change the filter? The OP sounded like he wasn't
going to do that.

Lane

Better yet do what I did on my Yanmar diesel in my boat. I drilled and
tapped a pipe fitting in the pan then ran a hydraulic line up the side of
the engine with a plug in the end.
To change oil I could drop the line below the engine in the bilge with a
coffee can or suck the oil out from above using that hydraluic line
Randy.


"Don" wrote in message
...
I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

But don't you at least change the filter?

Yes, I always change the filter with the oil.
Gary Brady
Austin, TX

"Daniel J. Stern" wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Chas Hurst wrote:

Shouldn't any large particles of "dirt" be trapped by the filter?

Remove an oil pan from an engine that's had three or four of these
dipstick tube oil "changes" sometime, then ask your question
again...if
you still have to.

As noted by another poster, marine engines routinely have the oil
removed
via the dipstick.

Jolly good. However, this is rec.AUTOS.tech, and the question concerned a
car.

So what? We're talking about oil changes.

Another poster found that the dipstick method was just as
good as draining.

No, another poster *stated* the dipstick method is just as good. "Found"
implies he did some science to arrive at his conclusion.

How do you know he didn't?

You need to review your conclusions.

I conclude that opinions are like assholes: Everyone's got one, and they
all stink.

What a refreshingly original reply.

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Chas Hurst wrote:

As noted by another poster, marine engines routinely have the oil
removed via the dipstick.

Jolly good. However, this is rec.AUTOS.tech, and the question
concerned a car.

So what? We're talking about oil changes.

Yes. Oil changes in *cars*. Cars with drain plugs that are accessible.

Another poster found that the dipstick method was just as
good as draining.

No, another poster *stated* the dipstick method is just as good. "Found"
implies he did some science to arrive at his conclusion.

How do you know he didn't?

'Cause he would've mentioned it and didn't.

I conclude that opinions are like assholes: Everyone's got one, and they
all stink.

What a refreshingly original reply.

Meow.

"Daniel J. Stern" wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Chas Hurst wrote:

As noted by another poster, marine engines routinely have the oil
removed via the dipstick.

Jolly good. However, this is rec.AUTOS.tech, and the question
concerned a car.

So what? We're talking about oil changes.

Yes. Oil changes in *cars*. Cars with drain plugs that are accessible.

Accessible from where? Under the car is not accesible.

You missed the part about Benz without drain plugs. Or more likely ignored
it.


Another poster found that the dipstick method was just as
good as draining.

No, another poster *stated* the dipstick method is just as good.
"Found"
implies he did some science to arrive at his conclusion.

How do you know he didn't?

'Cause he would've mentioned it and didn't.

How do you know that?

"Chas Hurst" wrote in message
...

"Daniel J. Stern" wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Chas Hurst wrote:

As noted by another poster, marine engines routinely have the oil
removed via the dipstick.

Jolly good. However, this is rec.AUTOS.tech, and the question
concerned a car.

So what? We're talking about oil changes.

Yes. Oil changes in *cars*. Cars with drain plugs that are accessible.

Accessible from where? Under the car is not accesible.

Really? Then you're either an idiot without the capability to use a set of
ramps or a jack and stands, or you're too stupid to take it in and spend $20
and have it done by someone who can..... Your choice... which is it?
Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
...

"Chas Hurst" wrote in message
...

"Daniel J. Stern" wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Chas Hurst wrote:

As noted by another poster, marine engines routinely have the
oil
removed via the dipstick.

Jolly good. However, this is rec.AUTOS.tech, and the question
concerned a car.

So what? We're talking about oil changes.

Yes. Oil changes in *cars*. Cars with drain plugs that are accessible.

Accessible from where? Under the car is not accesible.

Really? Then you're either an idiot without the capability to use a set of
ramps or a jack and stands, or you're too stupid to take it in and spend
$20
and have it done by someone who can..... Your choice... which is it?
Bob

I have a Benwil lift in my barn to do oil changes, and other work. Sorry,
under the car is simply not an accessible area for most car owners. Now lets
move onto those who have a physical impairment. Or those who have a mental
impairment, such as you.

"y_p_w" wrote in message
m...
"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...
"Don" wrote in message
...
I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

My opinion? I wouldn't do it. When properly done, an engine should
have
the oil drained while hot, removing the drain plug, which should be the
lowest point in the pan. That way large particles of "dirt" are flushed
from the pan, making for a cleaner engine. On the other hand, if
you're
unable to crawl under the vehicle to do it that way, it's far better
than
not changing the oil. Most importantly, make sure you change the
filter
each time so it doesn't pack off and start bypassing.

Shouldn't any large particles of "dirt" be trapped by the filter?

Larger particles that won't pass the screen are what I had in mind. You
often find things in a pan when dismantling an engine, things that won't get
as far as the filter. Needless to say, if the don't get picked up,
they're likely to not be a problem anyway, but if you can flush them, that's
not a bad thing, either.

Harold

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, y_p_w wrote:


My opinion? I wouldn't do it. When properly done, an engine should
have the oil drained while hot, removing the drain plug, which should
be the lowest point in the pan. That way large particles of "dirt"
are flushed from the pan, making for a cleaner engine. On the other
hand, if you're unable to crawl under the vehicle to do it that way,
it's far better than not changing the oil. Most importantly, make
sure you change the filter each time so it doesn't pack off and start
bypassing.


Shouldn't any large particles of "dirt" be trapped by the filter?


Remove an oil pan from an engine that's had three or four of these
dipstick tube oil "changes" sometime, then ask your question again...if
you still have to.

I'm not necessarily advocating the dipstick method. I was just
thinking that the filter should stop the large bits from reaching
the sensitive areas of the engine, unless the oil pump comes
before the filter. This of course assumes that the filter is
changed before it gets clogged or falls apart. Someone who doesn't
want to crawl under the car to drain a bolt likely won't want to
change the filter either.

In article , Chas Hurst wrote:

Accessible from where? Under the car is not accesible.

I can drain oil and change the filter on all three of my cars without
even raising them. The filter is a bit tricky on the mazda, but I can
still reach it and replace it from the top. I would say that merely
being under the car has nothing to do with accessibility.

"Brent P" wrote in message
news:kke1c.27365$ko6.270885@attbi_s02...
In article , Chas Hurst wrote:

Accessible from where? Under the car is not accesible.

I can drain oil and change the filter on all three of my cars without
even raising them. The filter is a bit tricky on the mazda, but I can
still reach it and replace it from the top. I would say that merely
being under the car has nothing to do with accessibility.


Oh Yea? I bought a lift 'cause I'm not sure if I'm gonna get up the next
time I'm on a creeper. And ask your wife about that too.

jim wrote:

Don wrote:

I know that it is best to use the drain plug, but there are times I
hate crawling on the floor or sometimes it rains or in the winter it
is very cold.

I saw at sears an air operated oil extractor that has a ridgid
dipstick tube. It can also remove transmission fluid without taking
off the pan.

Would the life of a vehicle be shortened by using this method? By the
way the item I looked at was made by Mity-Vac and held 8.8 liters. You
use it with your air compressor.

you not gonna get any metal parts in the oil that fell to the bottom....
at least when you take out the drain plug you have a chance to get out
all the trash as it going to settle to the bottom.....
mityvac makes some good products, but that is one that i would not want
from any manufacturer.....

True. I remember dropping the pan in of a GM Hydra-Matic, and it
does make one heck of a mess. There's supposed to be a magnet
attached to the inside of the pan. Having the pan off gives the
opportunity to clean the magnet.

I like the Honda automatic transmission method. My '89 Integra
(4-sp auto) had a 5.7 quart capacity, but would drain out 2.5
quarts. What I liked about it was:

* No filter to be changed
* The only tool needed is a 3/8" ratchet and/or cheater bar
* The crush washer needed is the same size as the oil drain bolt.
* The car doesn't need to be raised to reach this drain bolt.

Of course the tranny wasn't very smooth and tended to hunt for a
gear, but that was before more sophisticated electronic controls
were available. I hear the current Honda auto trannies have
electronic controls and have gotten much smoother, yet have the
same ease of maintenance.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, y_p_w wrote:

I'm not necessarily advocating the dipstick method. I was just thinking
that the filter should stop the large bits from reaching the sensitive
areas of the engine, unless the oil pump comes before the filter. This
of course assumes that the filter is changed before it gets clogged or
falls apart. Someone who doesn't want to crawl under the car to drain a
bolt likely won't want to change the filter either.

If that's the case, the whole question becomes moot, for the engine will
grind itself to pieces before too many oil change intervals go by.

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Chas Hurst wrote:

Yes. Oil changes in *cars*. Cars with drain plugs that are accessible.

Accessible from where?

From under the car.

Under the car is not accesible.

Only in those rare but noteworthy cases where some mystic force field
prevents you getting under the car with a wrench.

You missed the part about Benz without drain plugs. Or more likely ignored
it.

Yes, I ignored it.

"Daniel J. Stern" wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Chas Hurst wrote:

Yes. Oil changes in *cars*. Cars with drain plugs that are accessible.

Accessible from where?

From under the car.

Under the car is not accesible.

Only in those rare but noteworthy cases where some mystic force field
prevents you getting under the car with a wrench.


A drain plug under a car is not accessible. Nothing mystical or rare about
at all.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Chas Hurst wrote:

Under the car is not accesible.

Only in those rare but noteworthy cases where some mystic force field
prevents you getting under the car with a wrench.

A drain plug under a car is not accessible. Nothing mystical or rare
about at all.

Do you think, Chas, that if you say it fifty or a hundred more times it
will suddenly become true?

Give it a try and let us know how it works out for you.

DS

In article ,
Chas Hurst wrote:

A drain plug under a car is not accessible. Nothing mystical or rare about
at all.

Well, damn. I guess I've been doing my oil changes all wrong, then,
by accessing the drain plug. I didn't know I was doing the impossible.

"Lawrence Glickman" wrote in message

Ray: Of course, they could accidentally suck out your transmission
fluid! But we'll give them the benefit of the doubt of knowing which
dipstick is which -- at least until we hear from our readers
otherwise.
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IOW, Ray & Tom think it is OK.

So, I will try it.

Lg


So is the suction hose hooked to the dipstick tube or is it small enough to
be inserted through the tube down into the pan?
Bob

y_p_w wrote:



* No filter to be changed

I wouldn't OWN an automatic with no filter. Talk about pre-planned
obsolesence (failure). Sheesh.