On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:29:42 GMT, BottleBob wrote:

Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:07:00 GMT, BottleBob wrote:

Well, religious I'm not

Hence your old nuns shining thru along with that
modern thinker Aristotle so often as well as your abiding
interst in long, long posts about religion G.

Cliff:

"Nuns shining through?" Why? Because I am able to calmly look at the
resulting scholastic scores of parochial schools compared to public
schools and not let any militant anti-religious bias blind me and
interfere with an objective evaluation?

When are you going to come up with one? Others in this thread have found
big flies in the arguments G.
As have so many before.

ABIDING interest? When was the last religious discussion I was
involved with - YEARS ago? You better rethink your use of the term
"abiding interest". LOL

And now a word from our sponsors ...

Did you perhaps have anything constructive to add other than
unsupported vague innuendo?

Yep. Probably. Perhaps. G.
BTW, What was "vague"?
--
Cliff

Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner
wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:25:06 GMT in misc.survivalism :

Your Dacha on De Nile must be quite a shack in which to live.

Pretty pathetic, even for you. Thanks for showing you have lost the
initiative, though. Well, you lost a long time ago, of course, when you
felt the need to bring up the nonexistent Commie menace...


Denial denial denial...you getting paid by the DNC? Or the DSA?

I'm shocked, Gunner, that you would imply that a true progressive such
as what his name, would be so bourgeoisie as to expect to be paid for
bringing The Revolutionary - excuse me Progressive Truth to the world's
attention.
He could be arguing on his own time.


tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
Denial is not a river in Egypt, "Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme,
a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the
denying person knows the truth on some level." LTC Grossman.

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:07:06 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner
wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:25:06 GMT in misc.survivalism :

Your Dacha on De Nile must be quite a shack in which to live.

Pretty pathetic, even for you. Thanks for showing you have lost the
initiative, though. Well, you lost a long time ago, of course, when you
felt the need to bring up the nonexistent Commie menace...


Denial denial denial...you getting paid by the DNC? Or the DSA?

I'm shocked, Gunner, that you would imply that a true progressive such
as what his name, would be so bourgeoisie as to expect to be paid for
bringing The Revolutionary - excuse me Progressive Truth to the world's
attention.
He could be arguing on his own time.


tschus
pyotr


Gack!!! Indeed! How Capitalist of me.

Gunner, Running dog puppet lackey of the military industrial complex
"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:07:06 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner
wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:25:06 GMT in misc.survivalism :

Your Dacha on De Nile must be quite a shack in which to live.

Pretty pathetic, even for you. Thanks for showing you have lost the
initiative, though. Well, you lost a long time ago, of course, when
you
felt the need to bring up the nonexistent Commie menace...


Denial denial denial...you getting paid by the DNC? Or the DSA?

I'm shocked, Gunner, that you would imply that a true progressive such
as what his name, would be so bourgeoisie as to expect to be paid for
bringing The Revolutionary - excuse me Progressive Truth to the world's
attention.
He could be arguing on his own time.


tschus
pyotr


Gack!!! Indeed! How Capitalist of me.

And a fine example of one indeed, broke but still proud enough to brag.

Hawke

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:16:48 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


I'm shocked, Gunner, that you would imply that a true progressive such
as what his name, would be so bourgeoisie as to expect to be paid for
bringing The Revolutionary - excuse me Progressive Truth to the world's
attention.
He could be arguing on his own time.


tschus
pyotr


Gack!!! Indeed! How Capitalist of me.

And a fine example of one indeed, broke but still proud enough to brag.

Hawke


Of course. I neather need nor want the Collective to provide.

Gunner

Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner
wrote on Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:36:19 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:16:48 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


I'm shocked, Gunner, that you would imply that a true progressive such
as what his name, would be so bourgeoisie as to expect to be paid for
bringing The Revolutionary - excuse me Progressive Truth to the world's
attention.
He could be arguing on his own time.


tschus
pyotr


Gack!!! Indeed! How Capitalist of me.

And a fine example of one indeed, broke but still proud enough to brag.

Hawke


Of course. I neather need nor want the Collective to provide.

I'm sure that if the Collective offered you a deal, you might consider
it. :-)


cheers
pyotr


--
pyotr filipivich
Nothing says loving like a bun in the oven.
EOF

I'm shocked, Gunner, that you would imply that a true progressive
such
as what his name, would be so bourgeoisie as to expect to be paid for
bringing The Revolutionary - excuse me Progressive Truth to the
world's
attention.
He could be arguing on his own time.


tschus
pyotr


Gack!!! Indeed! How Capitalist of me.

And a fine example of one indeed, broke but still proud enough to brag.

Hawke


Of course. I neather need nor want the Collective to provide.

I'm sure that if the Collective offered you a deal, you might consider
it. :-)

Actually, the Collective has already offered him a hell of a deal, that of
being a member in American society. He may deny it or pretend that it
doesn't support him, but the truth is he's a major beneficiary of the
Collective. No man is an island and especially in a society like this one.
Whether one admits it or not, as an American, everyone is benefiting to some
extent or another. It might be from government services, opportunities, or
just the use of an infrastructure that one has contributed virtually nothing
to personally. The less one has the more they benefit from the Collective.
But it is amusing to still hear people today who actually believe that what
they achieve in life solely from their own efforts, and they never
understand that anything anyone does in this country is aided in one form or
another by the dreaded Collective.

Hawke

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:13:56 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


Actually, the Collective has already offered him a hell of a deal, that of
being a member in American society. He may deny it or pretend that it
doesn't support him, but the truth is he's a major beneficiary of the
Collective. No man is an island and especially in a society like this one.
Whether one admits it or not, as an American, everyone is benefiting to some
extent or another. It might be from government services, opportunities, or
just the use of an infrastructure that one has contributed virtually nothing
to personally. The less one has the more they benefit from the Collective.
But it is amusing to still hear people today who actually believe that what
they achieve in life solely from their own efforts, and they never
understand that anything anyone does in this country is aided in one form or
another by the dreaded Collective.

Hawke

The Collective, as you call it Comrade...has simply given me the
opportunity to fail or suceed on my own. Has it given me some
assistance? Of course.

But ultimately..the choice is mine, the opportunity is mine.

And that is what makes you socialists so frightened of the Founders
intent..because it gives you free will. And free will, coupled with
personal responsiblity...is something you are frightened of. Like a
puppy presented with an open door to the outside, for the first time.

Some run free..others such as yourself..cower inside, ****ing
yourself.

Gunner

Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:13:56 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


Actually, the Collective has already offered him a hell of a deal, that of
being a member in American society. He may deny it or pretend that it
doesn't support him, but the truth is he's a major beneficiary of the
Collective. No man is an island and especially in a society like this one.
Whether one admits it or not, as an American, everyone is benefiting to some
extent or another. It might be from government services, opportunities, or
just the use of an infrastructure that one has contributed virtually nothing
to personally. The less one has the more they benefit from the Collective.
But it is amusing to still hear people today who actually believe that what
they achieve in life solely from their own efforts, and they never
understand that anything anyone does in this country is aided in one form or
another by the dreaded Collective.

Hawke


The Collective, as you call it Comrade...has simply given me the
opportunity to fail or suceed on my own. Has it given me some
assistance? Of course.

But ultimately..the choice is mine, the opportunity is mine.

And that is what makes you socialists so frightened of the Founders
intent..because it gives you free will. And free will, coupled with
personal responsiblity...is something you are frightened of. Like a
puppy presented with an open door to the outside, for the first time.

Some run free..others such as yourself..cower inside, ****ing
yourself.

Gunner

Once again, Gunner mistakes a description of that which is with his own
need to project his ideology and dogma onto others...

Part of his dogma is the insistence of adding pet names to people based
not on their own ideas or writings, but on Gunner's own misunderstanding
of the world he lives in. He thinks they are insulting, I think they
are cute, as they say far more about Gunner than they do about their
intended target.

Poor Gunner.

Dan

Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner
wrote on Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:57:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:13:56 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


Actually, the Collective has already offered him a hell of a deal, that of
being a member in American society. He may deny it or pretend that it
doesn't support him, but the truth is he's a major beneficiary of the
Collective. No man is an island and especially in a society like this one.
Whether one admits it or not, as an American, everyone is benefiting to some
extent or another. It might be from government services, opportunities, or
just the use of an infrastructure that one has contributed virtually nothing
to personally. The less one has the more they benefit from the Collective.
But it is amusing to still hear people today who actually believe that what
they achieve in life solely from their own efforts, and they never
understand that anything anyone does in this country is aided in one form or
another by the dreaded Collective.

Hawke

The Collective, as you call it Comrade...has simply given me the
opportunity to fail or suceed on my own. Has it given me some
assistance? Of course.

But ultimately..the choice is mine, the opportunity is mine.

And that is what makes you socialists so frightened of the Founders
intent..because it gives you free will. And free will, coupled with
personal responsiblity...is something you are frightened of. Like a
puppy presented with an open door to the outside, for the first time.

Some run free..others such as yourself..cower inside, ****ing
yourself.

Hear, Hear.

I've just finished up a bout with a couple kidney stones. No fun. Way
serious no fun. Yesterday went into see the doctor, and he said "We can
wait some more, or there is a Procedure". I said "When can we do the
procedure?" (Thinking "today? tonight? now?) and he said "Tomorrow." I
went home, arraigned transportation and came back. "A simple procedu I
went to sleep, I woke up with DB (Medical term: dead butt) and when the
butt was no longer numb, was discharged.

This is one of those, where if the company insurance plan is going to
cover it, then I will avail me of it, but had it not, well "As long as you
have your health."

Gunner

--
pyotr filipivich
"MTV may talk about lighting fires and killing children,
but Janet Reno actually does something about it." --Spy Magazine

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:59:48 -0700, dan wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:13:56 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


Actually, the Collective has already offered him a hell of a deal, that of
being a member in American society. He may deny it or pretend that it
doesn't support him, but the truth is he's a major beneficiary of the
Collective. No man is an island and especially in a society like this one.
Whether one admits it or not, as an American, everyone is benefiting to some
extent or another. It might be from government services, opportunities, or
just the use of an infrastructure that one has contributed virtually nothing
to personally. The less one has the more they benefit from the Collective.
But it is amusing to still hear people today who actually believe that what
they achieve in life solely from their own efforts, and they never
understand that anything anyone does in this country is aided in one form or
another by the dreaded Collective.

Hawke


The Collective, as you call it Comrade...has simply given me the
opportunity to fail or suceed on my own. Has it given me some
assistance? Of course.

But ultimately..the choice is mine, the opportunity is mine.

And that is what makes you socialists so frightened of the Founders
intent..because it gives you free will. And free will, coupled with
personal responsiblity...is something you are frightened of. Like a
puppy presented with an open door to the outside, for the first time.

Some run free..others such as yourself..cower inside, ****ing
yourself.

Gunner

Once again, Gunner mistakes a description of that which is with his own
need to project his ideology and dogma onto others...

Part of his dogma is the insistence of adding pet names to people based
not on their own ideas or writings, but on Gunner's own misunderstanding
of the world he lives in. He thinks they are insulting, I think they
are cute, as they say far more about Gunner than they do about their
intended target.

Poor Gunner.

Dan


Poor Dan...one should read his post..then read mine, and see the
logical disconnect he has between his political outlook and mine.

Its quite clear that Dan is a Socialist..and as such...my post must
set his teeth on edge and make him very upset.

He wants all to live in a Nanny State, so he has to only obey it, not
manage his own affairs..which takes brains, courage, a sense of
personal responsibility and some drive....all of which he is saddly
lacking in.

Pitiful Dan.


Gunner

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:13:56 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:


Actually, the Collective has already offered him a hell of a deal, that
of
being a member in American society. He may deny it or pretend that it
doesn't support him, but the truth is he's a major beneficiary of the
Collective. No man is an island and especially in a society like this
one.
Whether one admits it or not, as an American, everyone is benefiting to
some
extent or another. It might be from government services, opportunities,
or
just the use of an infrastructure that one has contributed virtually
nothing
to personally. The less one has the more they benefit from the
Collective.
But it is amusing to still hear people today who actually believe that
what
they achieve in life solely from their own efforts, and they never
understand that anything anyone does in this country is aided in one form
or
another by the dreaded Collective.

Hawke

The Collective, as you call it Comrade...has simply given me the
opportunity to fail or suceed on my own. Has it given me some
assistance? Of course.

But ultimately..the choice is mine, the opportunity is mine.

And that is what makes you socialists so frightened of the Founders
intent..because it gives you free will. And free will, coupled with
personal responsiblity...is something you are frightened of. Like a
puppy presented with an open door to the outside, for the first time.

Some run free..others such as yourself..cower inside, ****ing
yourself.

Gunner

Your fantasies are indeed of prodigious proportions. As much as you want to
protest it, you have benefited far more than most from what the Collective
provides. Everyone but you knows this. You can protest till doomsday but you
have received far more than simply an opportunity from this society.
Ingrate!

Hawke

Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:59:48 -0700, dan wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:13:56 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:



Actually, the Collective has already offered him a hell of a deal, that of
being a member in American society. He may deny it or pretend that it
doesn't support him, but the truth is he's a major beneficiary of the
Collective. No man is an island and especially in a society like this one.
Whether one admits it or not, as an American, everyone is benefiting to some
extent or another. It might be from government services, opportunities, or
just the use of an infrastructure that one has contributed virtually nothing
to personally. The less one has the more they benefit from the Collective.
But it is amusing to still hear people today who actually believe that what
they achieve in life solely from their own efforts, and they never
understand that anything anyone does in this country is aided in one form or
another by the dreaded Collective.

Hawke


The Collective, as you call it Comrade...has simply given me the
opportunity to fail or suceed on my own. Has it given me some
assistance? Of course.

But ultimately..the choice is mine, the opportunity is mine.

And that is what makes you socialists so frightened of the Founders
intent..because it gives you free will. And free will, coupled with
personal responsiblity...is something you are frightened of. Like a
puppy presented with an open door to the outside, for the first time.

Some run free..others such as yourself..cower inside, ****ing
yourself.

Gunner

Once again, Gunner mistakes a description of that which is with his own
need to project his ideology and dogma onto others...

Part of his dogma is the insistence of adding pet names to people based
not on their own ideas or writings, but on Gunner's own misunderstanding
of the world he lives in. He thinks they are insulting, I think they
are cute, as they say far more about Gunner than they do about their
intended target.

Poor Gunner.

Dan



Poor Dan...one should read his post..then read mine, and see the
logical disconnect he has between his political outlook and mine.

Its quite clear that Dan is a Socialist..and as such...my post must
set his teeth on edge and make him very upset.

He wants all to live in a Nanny State, so he has to only obey it, not
manage his own affairs..which takes brains, courage, a sense of
personal responsibility and some drive....all of which he is saddly
lacking in.

Pitiful Dan.

Yawn, yet again, more Gunner projection.

Oh well, the sun rises, Gunner posts nonsense, the world is well.

Dan

On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:14:28 -0700, dan wrote:



Poor Dan...one should read his post..then read mine, and see the
logical disconnect he has between his political outlook and mine.

Its quite clear that Dan is a Socialist..and as such...my post must
set his teeth on edge and make him very upset.

He wants all to live in a Nanny State, so he has to only obey it, not
manage his own affairs..which takes brains, courage, a sense of
personal responsibility and some drive....all of which he is saddly
lacking in.

Pitiful Dan.

Yawn, yet again, more Gunner projection.

Oh well, the sun rises, Gunner posts nonsense, the world is well.

Dan

again I see no valid or rational arguments from you. Just your typical
spew.

Your entertainment value is exhausted.

Bye Comrade

plink

Gunner

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:14:28 -0700, dan wrote:



Poor Dan...one should read his post..then read mine, and see the
logical disconnect he has between his political outlook and mine.

Its quite clear that Dan is a Socialist..and as such...my post must
set his teeth on edge and make him very upset.

He wants all to live in a Nanny State, so he has to only obey it, not
manage his own affairs..which takes brains, courage, a sense of
personal responsibility and some drive....all of which he is saddly
lacking in.

Pitiful Dan.

Yawn, yet again, more Gunner projection.

Oh well, the sun rises, Gunner posts nonsense, the world is well.

Dan


again I see no valid or rational arguments from you. Just your typical
spew.

Your entertainment value is exhausted.

Bye Comrade

plink

And I was being so nice.

Back to calling him Runner - coward in defense of his home and on the
Internet...

Dan

Poor Dan...one should read his post..then read mine, and see the
logical disconnect he has between his political outlook and mine.

Its quite clear that Dan is a Socialist..and as such...my post must
set his teeth on edge and make him very upset.

He wants all to live in a Nanny State, so he has to only obey it, not
manage his own affairs..which takes brains, courage, a sense of
personal responsibility and some drive....all of which he is saddly
lacking in.

Pitiful Dan.

Yawn, yet again, more Gunner projection.

Oh well, the sun rises, Gunner posts nonsense, the world is well.

Dan


again I see no valid or rational arguments from you. Just your typical
spew.

Your entertainment value is exhausted.

Bye Comrade

plink

And I was being so nice.

Back to calling him Runner - coward in defense of his home and on the
Internet...

Dan


It just cracks me up to see people like Gunner, and I use the term loosely,
giving the boot to others for some slight. There is no larger anus than
Gunner to be found and yet he's the one who is so easily offended. But that
is to be expected because right wingers can really dish it out but they
can't take ****. In boxing terminology we'd say Gunner has a glass jaw.

Hawke

On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:16:54 -0700, dan wrote:

Back to calling him Runner - coward in defense of his home and on the
Internet...

Poor gummer ..... health care ...
--
Cliff