When I was just a little boy, sittin on my daddy's knee (sorry Fogerty,
it's kinda universal) my father who was really an accountant and
certified tinkerer presented me with a problem
He enjoyed challenging me with odd stuff and it sharpened my mind.
Here was the problem... There is some metal involved only because fish
are commonly caught on metal hooks.

I bore a hole in a frozen, then another one about 10 yards away. The
object is to get a dragline laced with baited hooks from one hole under
the ice to the other hole.
We thought of miniature subs and other weird schemes( iwas only about 7
at the time) and it was cold alot in Michigan in the 60s so lots of time
to ponder such things. We thought of RC trolling motors and i never
figured it out or tried it(money)
It has been done for centuries
Do you know how?

Tie a line to a frog's leg and drop him in one hole, he swims to the other.

"daniel peterman" wrote in message
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When I was just a little boy, sittin on my daddy's knee (sorry Fogerty,
it's kinda universal) my father who was really an accountant and
certified tinkerer presented me with a problem
He enjoyed challenging me with odd stuff and it sharpened my mind.
Here was the problem... There is some metal involved only because fish
are commonly caught on metal hooks.

I bore a hole in a frozen, then another one about 10 yards away. The
object is to get a dragline laced with baited hooks from one hole under
the ice to the other hole.
We thought of miniature subs and other weird schemes( iwas only about 7
at the time) and it was cold alot in Michigan in the 60s so lots of time
to ponder such things. We thought of RC trolling motors and i never
figured it out or tried it(money)
It has been done for centuries
Do you know how?

Dan,
The easiest and most common method is with1 gal milk jugs. You wait until
the first freeze starts forming sludge around the edge of the pond, lake or
whatever (doesn't work well in a river). You paddle out a ways and tie line
and decent weight or rock to the milk jugs. Drop your jugs in the water
about 30' apart. Line should be long enough to reach the bottom and a few
feet slack. You then tie about 30 feet of line between the jugs. You tie a
weights to each end of the "cross line" about 4 feet from the jug. If you
viewed the setup from the side it would appear as an H with long legs.
Obviously the deeper the lake the longer the legs.

It is also helpful to put a couple of split shot along the cross line to
help keep it below the water line. Small shot as you dont want center weight
to cause a sharp V shape. As the water freezes the slack will allow the jugs
to remain near the top of the ice. That lake all looks the same once its
frozen over. Also doesn't hurt to pace off or triangulate the jug location
with known objects on the bank.

Now you know the secret. Don't tell everybody!
p.s...the second part of the secret is that red or blue laundry detergent
jugs show up a whole lot better that white/clear milk jugs do in the ice!
You would learn this on your own but not until the second season!!

Mark

"daniel peterman" wrote in message
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When I was just a little boy, sittin on my daddy's knee (sorry Fogerty,
it's kinda universal) my father who was really an accountant and
certified tinkerer presented me with a problem
He enjoyed challenging me with odd stuff and it sharpened my mind.
Here was the problem... There is some metal involved only because fish
are commonly caught on metal hooks.

I bore a hole in a frozen, then another one about 10 yards away. The
object is to get a dragline laced with baited hooks from one hole under
the ice to the other hole.
We thought of miniature subs and other weird schemes( iwas only about 7
at the time) and it was cold alot in Michigan in the 60s so lots of time
to ponder such things. We thought of RC trolling motors and i never
figured it out or tried it(money)
It has been done for centuries
Do you know how?

"daniel peterman" wrote in
message
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When I was just a little boy, sittin on my
daddy's knee (sorry Fogerty,
it's kinda universal) my father who was really
an accountant and
certified tinkerer presented me with a problem
He enjoyed challenging me with odd stuff and it
sharpened my mind.
Here was the problem... There is some metal
involved only because fish
are commonly caught on metal hooks.

I bore a hole in a frozen, then another one
about 10 yards away. The
object is to get a dragline laced with baited
hooks from one hole under
the ice to the other hole.
We thought of miniature subs and other weird
schemes( iwas only about 7
at the time) and it was cold alot in Michigan in
the 60s so lots of time
to ponder such things. We thought of RC trolling
motors and i never
figured it out or tried it(money)
It has been done for centuries
Do you know how?


Yes , I do, more or less. In 1972 , I was visiting
a friend in Alberta, when I came across a peculiar
mechanism in his back yard. I asked him what it
was , and was told that it was used to take a rope
from one hole in the ice to another so that a net
could be dragged between them.

My memory is a little hazy about the details, but
it was a plank about 2" thick,10 or 12 inches wide
and 8 feet long. There as a slot a couple of
inches wide and about a foot long in the middle of
it. A metal lever about 3 feet long was pivoted
on pillow blocks on the underside of the board
with about 6 inches of the lever extending through
the board. This end had another hinge joint on
the bit that extended through the board. and the
whole thing was spring loaded. The long end of the
lever had a ring in it ,to which a long rope was
attached. To operate it a hole was cut in the ice
and the plank was pushed in. It floated up against
the underside of the ice, and every tug on the
rope propelled it forward about half a foot. It
made a noise when the plank banged at the ice on
every stroke. You followed the noise and cut a
hole in the ice above it when you had enough rope
out, retrieved the plank, hooked your net onto the
rope and pulled it back to the first hole.

As I have lived in Australia or Fiji ever since
then, I haven't had much cause to think about it
until now.( ice in those quantities is a little
rare in this part of the world) This is pretty
accurate I think, but the detail of the joint that
contacted the ice is a little fuzzy in my mind. At
least it should point you in the right direction
if you decide to design one.

good luck
Tom

Tom, that is correct answer. The Inuit have been doing it much that way
for centuries. I saw it demonstraed on some Dicovery channel show a few
years ago and it was like a slap on the head or a whole big box of
lightbulbs dropping on my noggin. I think my old man just wanted to mess
with me like he one time he brought home an artificial leg that he said
his company reposessed from a one legged man because he couldn't make
the payments on the thing.
We took it down into basement and proceeded to cut it up into small
parts just to see how it was constructed. Nothing fancy. Just wood and a
simple metal knee hinge.
I took it to school the next day and people were kinda grossed out.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:41:28 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm,
(daniel peterman) quickly quoth:

When I was just a little boy, sittin on my daddy's knee (sorry Fogerty,
it's kinda universal) my father who was really an accountant and
certified tinkerer presented me with a problem
He enjoyed challenging me with odd stuff and it sharpened my mind.
Here was the problem... There is some metal involved only because fish
are commonly caught on metal hooks.

I bore a hole in a frozen, then another one about 10 yards away. The

Whassa "hole in a frozen,"?


object is to get a dragline laced with baited hooks from one hole under
the ice to the other hole.
We thought of miniature subs and other weird schemes( iwas only about 7
at the time) and it was cold alot in Michigan in the 60s so lots of time
to ponder such things. We thought of RC trolling motors and i never
figured it out or tried it(money)
It has been done for centuries
Do you know how?

Go with the flow of the creek/river. Bore the drop hole upstream and
drop a floating object down the hole to reappear in the downstream
hole.

For a lake, I'd tie a passel of bamboo rods together, end to end, with
a floater on the end to pop up through the hole once it got there.
Reeds would do if they were the only thing handy.


Luckily, I've never lived in a bloody frozen wasteland which required
anything as savage as that. bseg

LJ--Ex-Southern boy and recovering Arkansan.


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daniel peterman wrote:

I bore a hole in a frozen, then another one about 10 yards away. The
object is to get a dragline laced with baited hooks from one hole under
the ice to the other hole.

You load up the dynamite, shotguns, and dog in the brand new ford
explorer...

oh, nevermind.

Boring one hole, getting something colorful through the ice and some
distance away and then boring another hole to retrieve it is probably
the right way.

But here's another idea that might work, and includes more metal
content ;-)

Bore two holes. Make up an assembly consisting of a thin steel wire
joining two heavy weights, with retreival rope attached to each weight
as well. Drop one weight in each hole, and wait for the pressure to
melt the wire through the ice (which will refreeze behind it).
Supposedly this should work with pressure alone, though of course you
could speed it up by running a current through the wire to heat it. It
may not work so well if the water is much shallower than half the
distance between the holes - chances are the wire will melt through at
the ends first and in the middle last, and if the weights bottom out
before that it may get stuck.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:41:28 -0800, (daniel
peterman) wrote:

When I was just a little boy, sittin on my daddy's knee (sorry Fogerty,
it's kinda universal) my father who was really an accountant and
certified tinkerer presented me with a problem
He enjoyed challenging me with odd stuff and it sharpened my mind.
Here was the problem... There is some metal involved only because fish
are commonly caught on metal hooks.

I bore a hole in a frozen, then another one about 10 yards away. The
object is to get a dragline laced with baited hooks from one hole under
the ice to the other hole.
We thought of miniature subs and other weird schemes( iwas only about 7
at the time) and it was cold alot in Michigan in the 60s so lots of time
to ponder such things. We thought of RC trolling motors and i never
figured it out or tried it(money)
It has been done for centuries
Do you know how?

Why bother with all that? Just take along a can of peas and place the
peas in a circle around the edge of the hole in the lice. When a fish
comes up to take a pee just grab him.

Badaboom

Errol Groff

Instructor, Manufacturing Technology
H.H. Ellis Technical High School
613 Upper Maple Street
Danielson, CT 06239

New England Model Engineering Society
www.neme-s.org

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daniel peterman wrote:

I bore a hole in a frozen, then another one
about 10 yards away. The
object is to get a dragline laced with baited
hooks from one hole under
the ice to the other hole.

You load up the dynamite, shotguns, and dog in
the brand new ford
explorer...

oh, nevermind.

Yep! I've seen the Darwin awards too.

Tom

I'm pretty sure you don't need the second hole if you're fishing with
dynamite.
Karl

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daniel peterman wrote:

I bore a hole in a frozen, then another one
about 10 yards away. The
object is to get a dragline laced with baited
hooks from one hole under
the ice to the other hole.

You load up the dynamite, shotguns, and dog in
the brand new ford
explorer...

oh, nevermind.

Yep! I've seen the Darwin awards too.

Tom

Sorry I guess my L, A, K,E keys musta froze up there. Hey it gets down
into the 50s (F) at night Here in san san Diego and it's hard to type
with mittens

I like that one.
Kinda like a hot wire foam cutter for ice.
I'm a gonna have to drive a few hours to find a frozen lake around here.
Maybe I'll try it out in the sink first witha big chunk of store bought
ice.

I ues fishing and urination are kinda universally linked. I can't be
around that much cold water without having to wizz. Of course there is
always shrinkage.
Now I think I need a shrink for starting all this