"Edward Dekker" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Edward Dekker" wrote in message
.. .

Robert Kennedy worked for McCarthy on the committee staff in this
period and thought enough of the man to ask McCarthy to be the
godfather to Kathleen Kennedy (Townsend). Kathleen was born July 4
1951 seventeen months after McCarthy's Wheeling WV speech.

(Interesting how far left the family moved since the early 1950's.)

Ed

They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly
anti-communist.
So were almost all Democrats.


There is little doubt that Ted Kennedy and the younger generation of
the Kennedy family are far left. (I will post justification for this
statement if necessary but it should be obvious.)
Lets look at the Kennedy positions (of RFK and JFK) in the 1950's and
1960's and compare them to the Democrat and Republican alternatives
in the 60's.

snip

Those are good examples, but I was distinguishing the times in a different
way. As far as most people are concerned, the Kennedys stopped being a
consequential influence in national politics after RFK was killed. So I was
thinking about the mid-'60s as the other end of the line.

--
Ed Huntress
(remove "3" from email address for email reply)

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:29:20 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly
anti-communist.
So were almost all Democrats.


Ed Huntress

Socialist however........

Gunner

Cites?

Maybe it's time you looked up "socialism" again to refresh your memory
about
what it means.

Ed Huntress

Socialism can refer to a political doctrine, an economic theory, a
vision of an ideal society, or a description of an actually existing
society. In its broadest sense, socialism is a belief that human
society can and should be organised along social lines - that is, for
the benefit of all...

Gunner, you need a better class of references. That comes from Wikepedia,
which is an encyclopedia of fuzz and contradictions, with hundreds of
revisions to some entries (such as the one for "socialism") made in an
attempt to satisfy everyone by offending no one. If Britannica is a horse,
Wikepedia is a horse designed by a committee -- in other words, a camel.

What they have defined sounds like the Declaration of Independence. Not
socialism. Socialism, to have any historical meaning, requires one of both
of two specific characteristics: state ownership of the means of production
(mostly pre-WWII), or state command of the economy designed to countermand
specific market forces.

Now, your initial statement appears to be that "almost all Democrats" are
socialists. Let's see some cites for that nonsense. To call them socialists,
you need evidence of a significant number of state-ownership or
market-countermanding programs that "almost all Democrats" favor. One or two
won't do, unless you're also saying the almost all Republicans are
socialists, as well.

Ed Huntress

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:47:59 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Now, your initial statement appears to be that "almost all Democrats" are
socialists. Let's see some cites for that nonsense. To call them socialists,
you need evidence of a significant number of state-ownership or
market-countermanding programs that "almost all Democrats" favor. One or two
won't do, unless you're also saying the almost all Republicans are
socialists, as well.

Ed Huntress

The comment was in reference to King Teddy the K.

Gunner

'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming
pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'"
Steven Levitt, UOC prof.

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:47:59 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Now, your initial statement appears to be that "almost all Democrats" are
socialists. Let's see some cites for that nonsense. To call them
socialists,
you need evidence of a significant number of state-ownership or
market-countermanding programs that "almost all Democrats" favor. One or
two
won't do, unless you're also saying the almost all Republicans are
socialists, as well.

Ed Huntress

The comment was in reference to King Teddy the K.

Antecedent alert... Antecedent alert...

Ed Huntress

Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:09:17 GMT, Alan Moore
wrote:

On 22 Dec 2003 15:38:49 GMT, (Bray Haven) wrote:

Make that the cost per year. It got pretty expensive under
Johnson, and stayed expensive under Nixon. During the Kennedy
years, it was cheap.

Al Moore

Well let's see, some weeks and a bunch of months killed as many
Americans as the entire Iraq campaign have IIRC, Oh you're
talking cash ).

I don't recall any very high casualty rates until after Johnson got
in, but I am relying on my recollection, and it's been a few years...

Al Moore

Lyndon (The Butcher) Johnson killed more American lads simply because
of his ego, than is pleasant to contemplate.

Well, at least technological advances have reduced the carnage on our side.
Not much else has changed.

Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:29:20 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly
anti-communist.
So were almost all Democrats.


Ed Huntress

Socialist however........

Gunner

Cites?

Maybe it's time you looked up "socialism" again to refresh your memory about
what it means.

Ed Huntress

Socialism can refer to a political doctrine, an economic theory, a
vision of an ideal society, or a description of an actually existing
society. In its broadest sense, socialism is a belief that human
society can and should be organised along social lines - that is, for
the benefit of all, rather than for the profit of a few, which it
argued had been the case hitherto. Its key ideas are opposition to
capitalism , and a belief in equality, both political and economic.
The socialist view of social organisation is well encapsulated in the
following saying (attributed to Marx ): From each according to his
ability, to each according to his need.

Democratic socialism is a political movement propagating the political
ideals of Socialism in a democratic state , or in other words: anti-
Authoritarian Communism .

Most democratic socialists typically advocate a mixed economy with
generous welfare provision, and re-distribution of wealth. People or
groups who describe themselves as democratic socialists, are generally
further to the left and more radical than the more moderate social
democrats.

Gunner


Hmmmm,

Your usual cut and paste drivel Do you ever have an original thought? Or at
least one that is your own?

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:19:41 GMT, Abrasha wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:29:20 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly
anti-communist.
So were almost all Democrats.


Ed Huntress

Socialist however........

Gunner

Cites?

Maybe it's time you looked up "socialism" again to refresh your memory about
what it means.

Ed Huntress

Socialism can refer to a political doctrine, an economic theory, a
vision of an ideal society, or a description of an actually existing
society. In its broadest sense, socialism is a belief that human
society can and should be organised along social lines - that is, for
the benefit of all, rather than for the profit of a few, which it
argued had been the case hitherto. Its key ideas are opposition to
capitalism , and a belief in equality, both political and economic.
The socialist view of social organisation is well encapsulated in the
following saying (attributed to Marx ): From each according to his
ability, to each according to his need.

Democratic socialism is a political movement propagating the political
ideals of Socialism in a democratic state , or in other words: anti-
Authoritarian Communism .

Most democratic socialists typically advocate a mixed economy with
generous welfare provision, and re-distribution of wealth. People or
groups who describe themselves as democratic socialists, are generally
further to the left and more radical than the more moderate social
democrats.

Gunner


Hmmmm,

Your usual cut and paste drivel Do you ever have an original thought? Or at
least one that is your own?

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

Toss your Machinerys Handbook into the trash big dumb****..any
information you get from there, while true, unimpeachable and peer
reviewed is not original thought and cannot be used in any form or
fashion.

Toss any software you may be useing that was not programmed in its
entirety, by you, into the scrap heap, format your hard drive and
toss it as well, unless you designed and built it from the ground up.

Any formal training or schooling you have had (doubtful) is now null
and void unless you discovered all the information yourself using your
own version of the Scientific Method.

Tut tut now Asshole..no cheating.

You want original thought......nah..ever mind, its Christmas time and
its supposed to be Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards men.

Ill tell you what I think of you, really, in my own words, after New
Years.

I suspect..you will not be amused.

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