"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:29:20 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly
anti-communist.
So were almost all Democrats.


Ed Huntress

Socialist however........

Gunner

Cites?

Maybe it's time you looked up "socialism" again to refresh your memory
about
what it means.

Ed Huntress

Socialism can refer to a political doctrine, an economic theory, a
vision of an ideal society, or a description of an actually existing
society. In its broadest sense, socialism is a belief that human
society can and should be organised along social lines - that is, for
the benefit of all...

Gunner, you need a better class of references. That comes from Wikepedia,
which is an encyclopedia of fuzz and contradictions, with hundreds of
revisions to some entries (such as the one for "socialism") made in an
attempt to satisfy everyone by offending no one. If Britannica is a horse,
Wikepedia is a horse designed by a committee -- in other words, a camel.

What they have defined sounds like the Declaration of Independence. Not
socialism. Socialism, to have any historical meaning, requires one of both
of two specific characteristics: state ownership of the means of production
(mostly pre-WWII), or state command of the economy designed to countermand
specific market forces.

Now, your initial statement appears to be that "almost all Democrats" are
socialists. Let's see some cites for that nonsense. To call them socialists,
you need evidence of a significant number of state-ownership or
market-countermanding programs that "almost all Democrats" favor. One or two
won't do, unless you're also saying the almost all Republicans are
socialists, as well.

Ed Huntress