Animal Shelter needs advice: How would you install a steel garage door
as a roof over an outdoor kennel?

We have nine steel pipe kennels to do, each 10' X 10', so we need to do
this the easiest/quickest/cheapest way. The garage doors (donated to
us) have a minimal metal framework and we want to mount them about 2
feet higher on one side to act as a shed roof. Our question is how to
get them secured on that side to the kennels, which are made of steel
tube 1.5" ID open-ended verticals. If you can come up with a way to do
this quick/easy with recycled materials, so much the better. Thanks in
advance for your advice.

Tom

I would measure the inside diameter of the pipe used for the verticals
and buy pipe the size that will fit inside it.

If you have a pipe bender make a U shape to connect the uprights.

Allow at least one foot overlap and drill and bolt the pipes together.

You can get steel straps made for timber frame construction to strap
the roof to the uprights.

On a sloped roof with a wire wall you need to tie the roof down so that
wind gusts under the roof do not lift it off.

If the kennels are not anchored securely to the ground I would not try
it at all.

wrote: Animal Shelter needs advice: How would you
install a steel garage door as a roof over an outdoor kennel?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This sounds like a worthy cause. Where are you located? If you are within
a reasonable distance, I will volunteer to help. I have portable welding
and metal cutting equipment, some power woodworking tools. If you are out
of my range, I hope someone with similar tools and interests will jump in.

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:53:56 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:


wrote: Animal Shelter needs advice: How would you
install a steel garage door as a roof over an outdoor kennel?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This sounds like a worthy cause. Where are you located? If you are within
a reasonable distance, I will volunteer to help. I have portable welding
and metal cutting equipment, some power woodworking tools. If you are out
of my range, I hope someone with similar tools and interests will jump in.

Ditto. I'm in the Minneapolis area.

Getting some volunteer labor from this group would be the easiest
solution.

Beyond that I would say use muffler clamps to grab the pipe and to hold
some angle iron.
Without seeing the project and doors it is hard to say how to connect
to the garage doors.
I would try muffler shops. You might get some friendly person to not
cut off clamps and give them to you.


Dan

Sorry for not replying sooner. We are located in Lebec California,
which is about halfway between Bakersfield and L.A., on top of the
Grapevine pass.

http://www.cause4cats.org/

have you seen the doors ? They are Heavy.
I have 4 such doors on my metal building - and they are running in C channel IIRC.
As a roof, they should be tilted in the two directions for water runoff. e.g.
down towards the back/front and also to one side a little. Look at it for certain
before planning. Maybe a talk with a local metal building company/contractor might
open up something in ideas or else.


Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



wrote:
Sorry for not replying sooner. We are located in Lebec California,
which is about halfway between Bakersfield and L.A., on top of the
Grapevine pass.

http://www.cause4cats.org/


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On 8 Nov 2005 12:07:28 -0800, wrote:

Sorry for not replying sooner. We are located in Lebec California,
which is about halfway between Bakersfield and L.A., on top of the
Grapevine pass.

http://www.cause4cats.org/


OOOOO!!!

Gunner, raises his hand to volunteer as he lives in Taft, and works in
LA, and has all sorts of Stuff and all sorts of networks to get Stuff
from, and runs his own impromptu cattery in Taft..unfortunately..sigh

Call me at 805-732-5308 anytime and Ill be glad to swing by and see
what I can do for yall.


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:51:52 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth:

On 8 Nov 2005 12:07:28 -0800, wrote:

Sorry for not replying sooner. We are located in Lebec California,
which is about halfway between Bakersfield and L.A., on top of the
Grapevine pass.

http://www.cause4cats.org/

OOOOO!!!

Gunner, raises his hand to volunteer as he lives in Taft, and works in
LA, and has all sorts of Stuff and all sorts of networks to get Stuff
from, and runs his own impromptu cattery in Taft..unfortunately..sigh

So, ya gonna help 'em build a flame thrower mower? evil grinne

donning Nomex suit


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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:24:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:51:52 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth:

On 8 Nov 2005 12:07:28 -0800, wrote:

Sorry for not replying sooner. We are located in Lebec California,
which is about halfway between Bakersfield and L.A., on top of the
Grapevine pass.

http://www.cause4cats.org/

OOOOO!!!

Gunner, raises his hand to volunteer as he lives in Taft, and works in
LA, and has all sorts of Stuff and all sorts of networks to get Stuff
from, and runs his own impromptu cattery in Taft..unfortunately..sigh

So, ya gonna help 'em build a flame thrower mower? evil grinne

donning Nomex suit

We uns here in the Valley are big on BBQs on wheels...so why not a
portable cat bbq?

Cat..the other white meat.

Gunner, scheduled to go there Saturday.



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"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:08:47 GMT, Gunner
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:24:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

So, ya gonna help 'em build a flame thrower mower? evil grinne

donning Nomex suit

We uns here in the Valley are big on BBQs on wheels...so why not a
portable cat bbq?

Cat..the other white meat.

Don't. Even. JOKE. About. That.

(I was about to add "Or I'll hunt YOU down and put YOUR ass on a
spit, and see how YOU like it..." but about two seconds later the
terms "NRA Life Member" and Ex-LEO popped into my head, and suddenly
that didn't sound like such a good idea anymore. But you understand
the sentiment, I hope.)

I'm at a fenced Condo complex in Northridge today hunting down and
resetting light timers, and it's drizzling nicely. And I run across
an Apricot Tom who says Prrrrrrt!! ( 'Hello!' ) and I get the initial
introductions and pleasantries out of the way /real/ quick, and right
to the Leg Rub - this is an Indoor Cat who happens to be running
around Outdoors.

The collar has a tag, with name phone number and an address - but no
unit number on a 4-unit building. And I forgot my Cell. So I asked
him "Okay, which one is your house?" a few times, and he headed off
towards the correct building. I followed him up the walk to an
intersection. He stopped, and I and asked again, he made a left.
Asked again at the top of the steps, and he picked the door on the
left. Right back to his front door.

Ring... Ring... (And he starts stretching on the door, almost to
the doorknob... Right place!) The door opens, and a nice lady looks
down as he pops inside.

"How did you know which house was his?"

"I asked him." (Like, Duh!) ;-P "He led me right here. Oh, you
might want to put the unit number on the tag for next time, most
people don't know to ask."

"But I called him and he wouldn't come back in!"

"Well, he didn't want to, especially since it was /your/ idea. Now
it starts drizzling again, and suddenly going back inside his nice
warm house starts sounding like a good idea. And Boy, he's sure glad
he thought of it."

Moral: People have dogs. Cats have Staff.

The sooner the People involved figure that out, the better. And
then you can save a lot of money on Psychiatrists...

-- Bruce --

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In article ,
Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:08:47 GMT, Gunner
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:24:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

So, ya gonna help 'em build a flame thrower mower? evil grinne

donning Nomex suit

We uns here in the Valley are big on BBQs on wheels...so why not a
portable cat bbq?

Cat..the other white meat.

Don't. Even. JOKE. About. That.

Cat story snipped

"Well, he didn't want to, especially since it was /your/ idea. Now
it starts drizzling again, and suddenly going back inside his nice
warm house starts sounding like a good idea. And Boy, he's sure glad
he thought of it."

Moral: People have dogs. Cats have Staff.

The sooner the People involved figure that out, the better. And
then you can save a lot of money on Psychiatrists...

LOL.

Cats were once worshipped as gods. They have never forgotten this and
make great effort to reinstitute that status. But most will settle for
mere instant obedience from humans.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:08:47 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth:

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:24:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
So, ya gonna help 'em build a flame thrower mower? evil grinne

donning Nomex suit

We uns here in the Valley are big on BBQs on wheels...so why not a
portable cat bbq?

Cat..the other white meat.

Gunner, scheduled to go there Saturday.

After your remark? Got a death wish? bwahahaha


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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:08:48 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Bruce
L. Bergman quickly quoth:

--snip of great story--

"Well, he didn't want to, especially since it was /your/ idea. Now
it starts drizzling again, and suddenly going back inside his nice
warm house starts sounding like a good idea. And Boy, he's sure glad
he thought of it."

Moral: People have dogs. Cats have Staff.

The sooner the People involved figure that out, the better. And
then you can save a lot of money on Psychiatrists...

More truth: Dogs come when you call. Cats have answering machines.
Get used to it.


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Prologue:


The dog says, "She feeds me, she must be a god."
The cat says, "She feeds me, I must be a god."


Pet Diary

First, the dog diary:

7am - Oh boy! A walk! My favorite!
8am - Oh boy! Dog food! My favorite!
9am - Oh boy! The kids! My favorite!
Noon - Oh boy! The yard! My favorite!
2pm - Oh boy! A car ride! My favorite!
3pm - Oh boy! The kids! My favorite!
4pm - Oh boy! Playing ball! My favorite!
6pm - Oh boy! Mom! My favorite!
7pm - Oh boy! Dad! My favorite!
8pm - Oh boy! Dog food! My favorite!
11pm - Oh boy! Sleeping in a people bed! My favorite


NOW THE CAT DIARY

Day 583 of my captivity...

My captors continued to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects.

They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced to eat dry cereal.

The only thing that keeps me going is the hope of escape,and the mild
satisfaction I get from clawing the furniture.

Tomorrow I may eat another house plant.

Today my attempt to kill my captors by weaving around their feet while
they were walking almost succeeded -- must try this at the top of the
stairs.


In an attempt to disgust and repulse these vile oppressors, I once
again
induced myself to vomit on their favorite chair -- must try this on
their bed.


Decapitated a mouse and brought them the headless body in an attempt
to
make them aware of what I am capable of, and to try to strike fear in
their hearts. They only cooed and condescended about what a good little
cat I was. Hmmm, not working according to plan.


There was some sort of gathering of their accomplices. I was placed in
solitary throughout the event. However, I could hear the noise and smell
the food. More importantly, I overheard that my confinement was due to
my powers of inducing "allergies." Must learn what this is and how to
use it to my advantage.


I am convinced the other captives are flunkies and maybe snitches.
The dog is routinely released and seems more than happy to return. He is
obviously a half-wit. The bird, on the other hand, has got to be an
informant since he speaks with them regularly.
I am certain he reports my every move. Due to his current placement in
the
metal room, his safety is assured.


But I can wait, it is only a matter of time...

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:08:48 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:08:47 GMT, Gunner
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:24:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

So, ya gonna help 'em build a flame thrower mower? evil grinne

donning Nomex suit

We uns here in the Valley are big on BBQs on wheels...so why not a
portable cat bbq?

Cat..the other white meat.

Don't. Even. JOKE. About. That.

(I was about to add "Or I'll hunt YOU down and put YOUR ass on a
spit, and see how YOU like it..." but about two seconds later the
terms "NRA Life Member" and Ex-LEO popped into my head, and suddenly
that didn't sound like such a good idea anymore. But you understand
the sentiment, I hope.)

G but of course. G

I'm at a fenced Condo complex in Northridge today hunting down and
resetting light timers, and it's drizzling nicely. And I run across
an Apricot Tom who says Prrrrrrt!! ( 'Hello!' ) and I get the initial
introductions and pleasantries out of the way /real/ quick, and right
to the Leg Rub - this is an Indoor Cat who happens to be running
around Outdoors.

The collar has a tag, with name phone number and an address - but no
unit number on a 4-unit building. And I forgot my Cell. So I asked
him "Okay, which one is your house?" a few times, and he headed off
towards the correct building. I followed him up the walk to an
intersection. He stopped, and I and asked again, he made a left.
Asked again at the top of the steps, and he picked the door on the
left. Right back to his front door.

Ring... Ring... (And he starts stretching on the door, almost to
the doorknob... Right place!) The door opens, and a nice lady looks
down as he pops inside.

"How did you know which house was his?"

"I asked him." (Like, Duh!) ;-P "He led me right here. Oh, you
might want to put the unit number on the tag for next time, most
people don't know to ask."

"But I called him and he wouldn't come back in!"

"Well, he didn't want to, especially since it was /your/ idea. Now
it starts drizzling again, and suddenly going back inside his nice
warm house starts sounding like a good idea. And Boy, he's sure glad
he thought of it."

Moral: People have dogs. Cats have Staff.

The sooner the People involved figure that out, the better. And
then you can save a lot of money on Psychiatrists...

-- Bruce --

You of course, are aware that I rescue cats, are you not? Need any?
Ive about 20 floating around the property, some ferals, most
handleable. And of course down here in Ontario..I feed about 8 here in
the RV park..most of which are ferals, but they come to my RV twice a
day. There is a big black, white footed male thats currently stretched
out in my lap. He is the local Welcome Wagon..as he brings strays,
abandoned cats/kits to my place and introduces them to me. He will
circle my legs, making come hither sounds to the newcomer and sit
beside me, or nudge the newbie in my direction for a formal
introduction. Its fascinating to watch him bring in a 3/4 starved
kitten and show his new bud, the feeders and automatic waterers, and
make sure the others dont screw with him/her.

The sound of my truck is distinctive, as when I come home at night at
the park..I can see cats jumping fences, and dashing down the
alleyways, the moment I clear the front gates, and all be lined up
waiting for me as I back the truck in to its parking spot.

Besides..I know that if the Big One hits...Ive got a handy food supply
that brings itself to me.

G

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:41:22 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:08:47 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth:

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:24:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
So, ya gonna help 'em build a flame thrower mower? evil grinne

donning Nomex suit

We uns here in the Valley are big on BBQs on wheels...so why not a
portable cat bbq?

Cat..the other white meat.

Gunner, scheduled to go there Saturday.

After your remark? Got a death wish? bwahahaha

The only concern about my safety that I have..is if I bring yet
again..another cat home, and the wife cuts off my dick.

Walst she had me cornered one day..Big Bobbit Butcher knife in
hand...stareing wildly between me and the newest stray....I did
mention I could be bringing girl friends home instead of homeless
cats. Oddly enough...this didnt mollify her much........

Gunner


Gunner



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"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner