--Hey, gang, if any of you are going to be in Visalia this weekend
(Oct 21-23) I've got a truckload of surplus stuff from my workshop I'm
trying to off. Included in the load a
-Servo Products cnc retrofit pkg for Bridgeport mill, mostly
complete
-Vertical axis rotary bending machine
-Horizontal axis roller; i.e. the kind that can roll various radii
on square or round tube, bar, etc
--I've got some other stuff for sale but it was too bulky to fit
in the truck; with luck I'll have it all posted to my website next week
sometime. Tryin' to drum up empty space and full wallet to upgrade to a
better tig welder, heh.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : When does Inuyasha get
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : to bone Kagome??
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:50:52 GMT, steamer wrote:

--Hey, gang, if any of you are going to be in Visalia this weekend
(Oct 21-23) I've got a truckload of surplus stuff from my workshop I'm
trying to off. Included in the load a
-Servo Products cnc retrofit pkg for Bridgeport mill, mostly
complete
-Vertical axis rotary bending machine
-Horizontal axis roller; i.e. the kind that can roll various radii
on square or round tube, bar, etc
--I've got some other stuff for sale but it was too bulky to fit
in the truck; with luck I'll have it all posted to my website next week
sometime. Tryin' to drum up empty space and full wallet to upgrade to a
better tig welder, heh.


Cool! Ill be there with a truckload of stuff too, including a Monkey
Wards badged Logan lathe I picked up today. Looks pretty good after
running it through the car wash.

Ill have a Burke Production miller, Porter Cable 4" vertical belt
sander on factory stand. a Thompson Table, various chucks, rotary
table, plastic drops of all sorts..yada yada yada

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:50:52 GMT, steamer wrote:


--Hey, gang, if any of you are going to be in Visalia this weekend
(Oct 21-23) I've got a truckload of surplus stuff from my workshop I'm
trying to off. Included in the load a
-Servo Products cnc retrofit pkg for Bridgeport mill, mostly
complete
-Vertical axis rotary bending machine
-Horizontal axis roller; i.e. the kind that can roll various radii
on square or round tube, bar, etc
--I've got some other stuff for sale but it was too bulky to fit
in the truck; with luck I'll have it all posted to my website next week
sometime. Tryin' to drum up empty space and full wallet to upgrade to a
better tig welder, heh.



Cool! Ill be there with a truckload of stuff too, including a Monkey
Wards badged Logan lathe I picked up today. Looks pretty good after
running it through the car wash.

Ill have a Burke Production miller, Porter Cable 4" vertical belt
sander on factory stand. a Thompson Table, various chucks, rotary
table, plastic drops of all sorts..yada yada yada

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

sounds like it is time for you to take a road trip, say.... to the east
coast, come make a trade on a benchmaster........

--Back home already; very weird experience. 'Spect I'll write
it all up in a day or two but I gotta get it all down first. Never been
mugged in public before, but it happened! ****ed off porker who
outweigs me by a good hundred pounds and who, I found out later,
is the guy in charge of the whole shebang, buttonholes me while I'm
walking around the show and demands I pay him a commission for
something a friend and I shook hands on in the parking lot! Drove my
truckload of stuff over to the loading dock earlier but they were too
busy and couldn't be bothered to unload my stuff and they wouldn't let
me run the forklift (two sitting there idle, nobody to run 'em), so I
parked in the lot and go check out the show. Meanwhile a friend who saw
my stuff made an offer, we shook hands and that's that. So do you all
think I should pay fifteen percent to the fat boy? Didn't seem fair to
me at the time. Found out later why he was such a dickhead, though.
Turns out there was a guy at the show last year who tried to do a bunch
of business selling used tools and then tried to stiff the guy for the
commissions. Wanna guess who this particular dickhead was? Well far be
it from me to sling mud and besides I don't have all of this written in
stone, it was just nattered in my ear this afternoon and I've had that
particular creep killfiled for a while anyway.
--Aside from management, everone else at the show was great.
Hope to post photos in a week or so; still gotta go thru the photos I
took the previous weekend at Jacques Littlefield's place..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : When does Inuyasha get
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : to bone Kagome??
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

If they were too busy to unload you and you did the deal outside with
your friend then no commission. If you had gone inside and "sold" to
complete strangers then you would owe a commission. Just my take.

BTW I would probably outweigh you by 200 lbs.
weight has nothing to do with honesty.

Bill


On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:48:23 GMT, steamer wrote:

--Back home already; very weird experience. 'Spect I'll write
it all up in a day or two but I gotta get it all down first. Never been
mugged in public before, but it happened! ****ed off porker who
outweigs me by a good hundred pounds and who, I found out later,
is the guy in charge of the whole shebang, buttonholes me while I'm
walking around the show and demands I pay him a commission for
something a friend and I shook hands on in the parking lot! Drove my
truckload of stuff over to the loading dock earlier but they were too
busy and couldn't be bothered to unload my stuff and they wouldn't let
me run the forklift (two sitting there idle, nobody to run 'em), so I
parked in the lot and go check out the show. Meanwhile a friend who saw
my stuff made an offer, we shook hands and that's that. So do you all
think I should pay fifteen percent to the fat boy? Didn't seem fair to
me at the time. Found out later why he was such a dickhead, though.
Turns out there was a guy at the show last year who tried to do a bunch
of business selling used tools and then tried to stiff the guy for the
commissions. Wanna guess who this particular dickhead was? Well far be
it from me to sling mud and besides I don't have all of this written in
stone, it was just nattered in my ear this afternoon and I've had that
particular creep killfiled for a while anyway.
--Aside from management, everone else at the show was great.
Hope to post photos in a week or so; still gotta go thru the photos I
took the previous weekend at Jacques Littlefield's place..

steamer wrote:

****ed off porker who
outweigs me by a good hundred pounds and who, I found out later,
is the guy in charge of the whole shebang, buttonholes me while I'm
walking around the show and demands I pay him a commission for
something a friend and I shook hands on in the parking lot!

If he laid hands on you he commited assault. You should have called
the Police and filed a report. If this is the guys normal pattern of
operation, the cops get wise about it eventually and will do something
about it in most jurisdictions. What is he going to do, ban you from
a public venue?



Wes

wrote:
: If he laid hands on you he commited assault. You should have called
--No, nothing like that happened, but hey, when a guy who looks
like he teaches bar bouncers gets angry in my face I ...pause before
saying anything that might cause him to lay hands on me. I've been
mugged twice and held at gunpoint once; the feeling this guy exuded was
much the same.
--I decided right then and there that this show was no fun and
took the rest of my toys, still unloaded, and went home. I'll flog it
on ebay and I won't have to deal with in-my-face dickheads any more.
The sad thing, in my opinion, is the event that made him that way; he's
become his own worst enemy and I don't see a rosy future for the event.
--Which brings up another point: I went to the first event,
had to skip the second one and went to this, the third one. I was
saddened to see that the event has not grown one whit. I don't thing
there were more than three or four contraptions that I would describe
as "new" since my first trip there. It makes me wonder if other folks have
had similar doses of this guy's version of "hospitality" and have
decided to stay home.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : When does Inuyasha get
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : to bone Kagome??
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:20:36 -0400, wrote:

steamer wrote:

****ed off porker who
outweigs me by a good hundred pounds and who, I found out later,
is the guy in charge of the whole shebang, buttonholes me while I'm
walking around the show and demands I pay him a commission for
something a friend and I shook hands on in the parking lot!

If he laid hands on you he commited assault. You should have called
the Police and filed a report. If this is the guys normal pattern of
operation, the cops get wise about it eventually and will do something
about it in most jurisdictions. What is he going to do, ban you from
a public venue?

Boy, truth is stranger than fiction. That's great advertising
material he's writing for himself there! "Come to the Visalia
machinists show, where if the Owner of the show thinks he's being
cheated out of a few bucks on a private party sale held outside the
show, he'll rough you up to get it!" Hell, with a description like
that, I'd be first in line... NOT.

I realize there are two sides to every story, but he's going to have
to work to top that one.

-- Bruce --

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:48:23 +0000, steamer wrote:


Turns out there was a guy at the show last year who tried to do a bunch
of business selling used tools and then tried to stiff the guy for the
commissions. Wanna guess who this particular dickhead was?

Who was it? I would like to know the dealers I'm working with.

"rastus" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:48:23 +0000, steamer wrote:


Turns out there was a guy at the show last year who tried to do a bunch
of business selling used tools and then tried to stiff the guy for the
commissions. Wanna guess who this particular dickhead was?

Who was it? I would like to know the dealers I'm working with.

I'd like to know too, in private email if that's better.

Mike

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:48:23 GMT, steamer wrote:

--Back home already; very weird experience. 'Spect I'll write
it all up in a day or two but I gotta get it all down first. Never been
mugged in public before, but it happened! ****ed off porker who
outweigs me by a good hundred pounds and who, I found out later,
is the guy in charge of the whole shebang, buttonholes me while I'm
walking around the show and demands I pay him a commission for
something a friend and I shook hands on in the parking lot! Drove my
truckload of stuff over to the loading dock earlier but they were too
busy and couldn't be bothered to unload my stuff and they wouldn't let
me run the forklift (two sitting there idle, nobody to run 'em), so I
parked in the lot and go check out the show. Meanwhile a friend who saw
my stuff made an offer, we shook hands and that's that. So do you all
think I should pay fifteen percent to the fat boy? Didn't seem fair to
me at the time. Found out later why he was such a dickhead, though.
Turns out there was a guy at the show last year who tried to do a bunch
of business selling used tools and then tried to stiff the guy for the
commissions. Wanna guess who this particular dickhead was? Well far be
it from me to sling mud and besides I don't have all of this written in
stone, it was just nattered in my ear this afternoon and I've had that
particular creep killfiled for a while anyway.
--Aside from management, everone else at the show was great.
Hope to post photos in a week or so; still gotta go thru the photos I
took the previous weekend at Jacques Littlefield's place..


I found out you and I chatted in the parking lot. I was the tall
bearded guy in the cowboy hat.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

I was one the key figures in the scene Ed elaborated on though as the
buyer not as the fellow that got in his face. I will say that Ed's tale
is a little skewed in his favor though I wasn't there when the promoter
lashed out. I was also reprimanded by the promoter and immediately
began to try an rectify the situation. I think I was pretty succesful
and was in his good graces when I left the event.
Let me explain the situation from my take on the promoters point of
view. He really likes doing these shows and being involved with the
hobby metal workers. This is the third show in CA and Visalia and he
has taken a monetary bath each time attempting to get a viable event
going. One of his sources of income is commisions on sales of
equipment. He offers a venue where buyer and seller can get together
and in most cases should be compensated. I should have never made the
offer to purchase the piece Ed was offering as we were literally in the
entry way to the show. The promoter should have been a little more
tactful his is approach to both Ed and I. His concern wasn't just his
loss of commision but the fact that everyone seemed to be rushing
outside to do some "trading".
I think Ed also skewed the story I told him about Gunner. Gunner did
rent space last year and sold quite a bit of stuff. I will not repeat
the story I told Ed here as it was too long and complicated and his
brief summary was was unjustified.
This will be the last Visalia Show. Several people with a positive
attitude about the event, myself included, are looking for a new venue
and open to suggestions. Visalia is halfway between LA and SF but seems
to suffer because it is too far for metal workers to drive from either
direction. It is going to take 2000 attendees to make it work and they
are having trouble getting 1000. Some of this may be blamed on those
that didn't attend figuring they could make it next year. Well, they
just isn't going to be a next year.
On a lighter note I hope all of you that bought machines and tooling
from me enjoy making chips with the stuff. It was certainly my best
year in sales but I am mystified on why I had to bring home a decent
SBL heavy ten with collet closer and premium 3 jaw chuck. Asking price
was $1000. on the factory cabinet and delivery to either SF area or LA
area available. Leigh at MarMachine