Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:57:15 -0700, Pope Secola VI
wrote:


Cliff you are a ****ing idiot. Okay drop in an Airborne division.


Like using the Rapid Deploment forces?
Where are they?


Where are they going to get their food, fuel, medical supplies. Do you
know how many ton's of supplies it takes to support an airborne division
in the field. (Obviously not)


Gee .. I wonder what the military has stockpiled .... or someone
can get to an airfield in a few hours ..


Secondly have you looked at a ****ing map and looked the highways into
and out of New Orleans. Only one 4 lane highway is not blocked by down
bridges. Have you seen how many rescue boats have been sunk or damaged
by the debris in the water. Obviously not.


So they did no planning?
Where are ALL the helicopters in the US, not needed
by hospitals as it is?


Last but not least, where are the big ships. Well were are they going
to get the power to raise the draw bridges so the big ships can pass???


Big ships go under drawbridges? To get to the Port of New Orleans
& to the Mississippi?

My map only shows US 90 crossing the river .... here's the
bridge:
http://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/...ise/Bridge.jpg



If you would you your ****ing head for something other than sticking up
your ass you might be able to take part in a intelligent conversation
about what is needed.


"WMDs"?

cliff , youre talking about using the military , fella , these guys are
civillians , militaryis only for last resort , its not like they
invading somewhere...

besides , it makes political sense to wait a while , let a few more die
off , then there is less effort to be expended rescuing folk , cos there
is less to rescue AND , the folk that are rescued , they will love the
govt cos they seen what it can be like without them

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:15:10 +1000, myal wrote:

besides , it makes political sense to wait a while , let a few more die
off , then there is less effort to be expended rescuing folk , cos there
is less to rescue AND , the folk that are rescued , they will love the
govt cos they seen what it can be like without them

http://tinyurl.com/9s6js
--
Cliff

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:57:15 -0700, Pope Secola VI
wrote:

Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:54:57 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:


Cliff wrote:

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:50:31 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:


Cliff wrote:

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:35:28 GMT, Bing wrote:


If you can find a dropoff cite for things like water, blankets, food etc
then IMO thats the best way to go

That's the LAST thing they *need*.


because I think yer taking the money
equation out of the beaurocrasy.

Send money. Then what's actually NEEDED can be
purchased as & where needed.

After all, it's not like the neocons or the shrubbie are
doing much .... or seem to have done any planning
with their homeland insecurity .....

Gee Cliffy, I though even you might show a little class and be
constructive in the face of a significant natural disaster. Guess you
don't have even the slightest bit of class...

Pete C.

Money will help.
Your old junk, unless you live nearby, is not likely to
and they don't have the resources right now to come
& get it anyway.

The neocons are doing little enough it seems. After
all, who wants the government to interfere?

When is bush going back on vacation? He's out stumping
to refill his coffers now it seems, having (briefly) overflown
the sights.
--
Cliff

Based on the numerous previous smaller disasters that have occurred in
the US, I would expect most of the trucking companies are already
coordinating to truck donated supplies to the area at cost or free.


Purchased relief supplies, perhaps.
Where would you expect their replacement furnishings to go?

We now have perhaps a million people (anyone have a good number?)
lacking homes to go back to or jobs. All need to be relocated.
Will there be a housing shortage?
What of their property & bank records & suchlike?

How many actually had federal FLOOD insurance? Normal
insurance will cover about none of the water damages.


With donating goods or personal services (i.e. got there and help) there
is far less opportunity to relief agency mismanagement /
misappropriation.


The neocons are willing & able, right?
When YOU get there you are going to live & eat & drink & go
to the bathroom exactly where?

Which immunizations do you alreadty have?


The head of the relief agency isn't going to be able
to buy themselves a new company BMW with the pallet of diapers you
donate.


Which would be wasted.


As for the government, they seem to be doing exactly what they are
supposed to be doing. FEMA, the agency that is supposed to plan for and
manage emergencies such as this is certainly there assessing and
coordinating as they are supposed to do. Various military units are in
the area bringing in supplies and bringing out the survivors. The Army
folks are working to repair the levies. The only complaint I've heard is
that they diverted some helicopters to rescuing people from rooftops
instead of working on the levee repairs.

What exactly do you think the government should be doing to help the
Katrina recovery that they aren't already doing?

Pete C.


Cliff you are a ****ing idiot. Okay drop in an Airborne division.
Where are they going to get their food, fuel, medical supplies. Do you
know how many ton's of supplies it takes to support an airborne division
in the field. (Obviously not)

Logistics is the key.


Secondly have you looked at a ****ing map and looked the highways into
and out of New Orleans. Only one 4 lane highway is not blocked by down
bridges. Have you seen how many rescue boats have been sunk or damaged
by the debris in the water. Obviously not.

Last but not least, where are the big ships. Well were are they going
to get the power to raise the draw bridges so the big ships can pass???


There are usually emergency power provosions to open the draws. Leave
'em open.

If you would you your ****ing head for something other than sticking up
your ass you might be able to take part in a intelligent conversation
about what is needed.

He IS an ass! Like most of his ilk, he can only whine, complain and
spew hatred. He and his kind have no constructive suggestions or
assistance. Their only answer is my money and more government.

R

Cliff wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:15:10 +1000, myal wrote:


besides , it makes political sense to wait a while , let a few more die
off , then there is less effort to be expended rescuing folk , cos there
is less to rescue AND , the folk that are rescued , they will love the
govt cos they seen what it can be like without them


http://tinyurl.com/9s6js

In all seriousness , no joking , I do believe there has been a huge case
of " it cant happen to me" combined with "not my job" and " oh **** ,
this is too big for us , pass it on higher up" all the way up till the
pres got an excuse to escape the circus at his front gate .


I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad , and when they
seenhow bad it real did get , they knew it wasnt within their job
description to do anythng about it bt pass the problem up the line .

Even now , folk arent trying to get out , but waiting like scared
rabbits for the govt to do something for them .

Cliff wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:30:01 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


On 1 Sep 2005 20:12:34 -0700, "StatHaldol"
wrote:


So much has been said about placing blame, global warming, the price of
gasoline,
etc...What about the refugees in New Orleans? Is it such a good idea to
send 20,000 of them to the Astrodome in Houston? This has to be a
temporary solution. Many of these refugees may never have a home again
in New Orleans. Let's face it, 90% or more of these refugees are poor
minorities with no hope or jobs...This would be a good opportunity for
us in "blue" states to open our hearts and doors to them. Instead of
housing 20,000+ of them in the Astrodome; why can't we take 1000 or
more of them to EACH state in states from Washington to Maine. This
would be a good opportunity for all of us to experience some
multi-cultural diversity! (Somewhere Ted Kennedy is smiling at the
idea...)


PLEASE take em to the Blue states! They will increase your voting
roles, add diversity and be an interesting adjunct to your population.

We in the Red State know that you will treasure and keep them in the
same hidious poverty they have been kept in by Democrats while living
in New Orleans. A whole new group of poor, hopeless and often
illiterate ghetto minorities to call your very own and to keep under
your thumb, and be kept helpless, hopeless and frankly..stupid.

Mind you..it may take a while to learn to understand their language.
While fascinating to listen to, Creole spiced with Ebonics, with a
ghetto Cajun flavor does take some getting used to.

On the other hand....

We have an illegal alien problem, which is generally caused by poor
inforcement and the fact employers want workers cheap.

We have about 1.8 million homeless as a result of Katrina.

Pass a law, that any employer that hires a refugee (and an ID card
must be provided to prove it) will get to deduct their entire wage
costs, insurance, medical, training and so forth from the net taxes
they have to pay each quarter, for the next 5 yrs.

This will encourage the employer to hire the refugees, which puts them
to work, will encourage the employer to train them and turn those
people into skilled workers.

This means that they get them as FREE workers, because their costs are
deducted from their taxes. The illegal aliens will be fired virtually
over night, and will be forced to leave the country simply because of
lack of work.

The refugees will become trained, have an income not involveing
welfare and will be able to buy or rent their own homes..homes vacated
by the illegals.

Two birds with one stone.

No..dont thank me. Just send me a grant to study the social dynamics
as poor southern blacks are introduced to Northeastern Blueneck
Liberal Racists and are intergrated into your society.

Perhaps Sen KKK Byrd might like a few of the High Yeller ones as
housekeepers?

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner


Wingers ....

Gunner's interior decorator used different guns for
each room. They are hidden everywhere .... someone
might steal his kibble & feed it to the cattle outside ....

And is ass holes like you that keeps me writing my senators and
congressmen reminding them of all the **** you democrats keep throwing
at us.

Then you seem to expect that they should spend my hard earned tax
dollars on your democratic pie in the sky ideas in your democratic
districts.

If you want the god dammed pie pay for it your self you lazy cheap assed
loud mouthed son of a bitch.

--
3rd Commandment of the Church of Pope Secola VI

If thine enemy smite thee on the left cheek,
offer him up, 8 inches of cold steel in his belly.

StatHaldol wrote in article
.com...
This would be a good opportunity for
us in "blue" states to open our hearts and doors to them. Instead of
housing 20,000+ of them in the Astrodome; why can't we take 1000 or
more of them to EACH state in states from Washington to Maine. This
would be a good opportunity for all of us to experience some
multi-cultural diversity! (Somewhere Ted Kennedy is smiling at the
idea...)



Let me know when Sen. Kennedy contacts the Hyannis, Mass. school department
about housing 1000 refugees in the Hyannis High School gymnasium.......

No. There's no sense to donating anything for New Orleans now - not
when even its police are facilitating looting and not when its police
and the Guard can't even maintain order at the Superdome refugee camp
(to the point that at least six women have been raped there)! Sending
stuff there under current - or likely soon - circumstances will just
get it looted.

Browse this gun show for FREE! Shop the
http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW

"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."

"Don Gabacho" wrote in message
oups.com...
"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."


Um.... The democratic Governor is the one in charge of mobilizing the NG,
not the pres. That is sort of the reason for the NG.

"Gunner" wrote in message ...
On 1 Sep 2005 20:12:34 -0700, "StatHaldol"
wrote:

So much has been said about placing blame, global warming, the price of
gasoline,
etc...What about the refugees in New Orleans? Is it such a good idea to
send 20,000 of them to the Astrodome in Houston? This has to be a
temporary solution. Many of these refugees may never have a home again
in New Orleans. Let's face it, 90% or more of these refugees are poor
minorities with no hope or jobs...This would be a good opportunity for
us in "blue" states to open our hearts and doors to them. Instead of
housing 20,000+ of them in the Astrodome; why can't we take 1000 or
more of them to EACH state in states from Washington to Maine. This
would be a good opportunity for all of us to experience some
multi-cultural diversity! (Somewhere Ted Kennedy is smiling at the
idea...)


PLEASE take em to the Blue states! They will increase your voting
roles, add diversity and be an interesting adjunct to your population.

We in the Red State know that you will treasure and keep them in the
same hidious poverty they have been kept in by Democrats while living
in New Orleans. A whole new group of poor, hopeless and often
illiterate ghetto minorities to call your very own and to keep under
your thumb, and be kept helpless, hopeless and frankly..stupid.

Mind you..it may take a while to learn to understand their language.
While fascinating to listen to, Creole spiced with Ebonics, with a
ghetto Cajun flavor does take some getting used to.

On the other hand....

We have an illegal alien problem, which is generally caused by poor
inforcement and the fact employers want workers cheap.

We have about 1.8 million homeless as a result of Katrina.

Pass a law, that any employer that hires a refugee (and an ID card
must be provided to prove it) will get to deduct their entire wage
costs, insurance, medical, training and so forth from the net taxes
they have to pay each quarter, for the next 5 yrs.

This will encourage the employer to hire the refugees, which puts them
to work, will encourage the employer to train them and turn those
people into skilled workers.

This means that they get them as FREE workers, because their costs are
deducted from their taxes. The illegal aliens will be fired virtually
over night, and will be forced to leave the country simply because of
lack of work.

The refugees will become trained, have an income not involveing
welfare and will be able to buy or rent their own homes..homes vacated
by the illegals.

Two birds with one stone.

No..dont thank me. Just send me a grant to study the social dynamics
as poor southern blacks are introduced to Northeastern Blueneck
Liberal Racists and are intergrated into your society.

Perhaps Sen KKK Byrd might like a few of the High Yeller ones as
housekeepers?

Gunner


There may be a pact with Satan. Think, stand down on 911, vacationing
with one of the most mass, massive hurricanes, think about living beings
with souls and jealousies for gods creation, think about Nazism, satanic.

John

On 2 Sep 2005 11:01:17 -0700, "Don Gabacho"
wrote:

"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."

IIRC Trent Lott's mansion got trashed. The one in Pascagoula.
--
Cliff

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:57 -0400, "Chris" wrote:

Um.... The democratic Governor is the one in charge of mobilizing the NG,
not the pres. That is sort of the reason for the NG.

So if the Governor opposes the neocon wars he/she need
not send troops when the neocons demand them?

Got foorp?
--
Cliff

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:31:42 -0700, Pope Secola VI
wrote:

If you want the god dammed pie pay for it your self you lazy cheap assed
loud mouthed son of a bitch.

Paying for those "WMD" searches, are you?

Maroons are where you find them.
--
Cliff

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:15:10 +1000, myal wrote:

Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:57:15 -0700, Pope Secola VI
wrote:


Cliff you are a ****ing idiot. Okay drop in an Airborne division.


Like using the Rapid Deploment forces?
Where are they?


Where are they going to get their food, fuel, medical supplies. Do you
know how many ton's of supplies it takes to support an airborne division
in the field. (Obviously not)


Gee .. I wonder what the military has stockpiled .... or someone
can get to an airfield in a few hours ..


Secondly have you looked at a ****ing map and looked the highways into
and out of New Orleans. Only one 4 lane highway is not blocked by down
bridges. Have you seen how many rescue boats have been sunk or damaged
by the debris in the water. Obviously not.


So they did no planning?
Where are ALL the helicopters in the US, not needed
by hospitals as it is?


Last but not least, where are the big ships. Well were are they going
to get the power to raise the draw bridges so the big ships can pass???


Big ships go under drawbridges? To get to the Port of New Orleans
& to the Mississippi?

My map only shows US 90 crossing the river .... here's the
bridge:
http://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/...ise/Bridge.jpg



If you would you your ****ing head for something other than sticking up
your ass you might be able to take part in a intelligent conversation
about what is needed.


"WMDs"?

cliff , youre talking about using the military , fella , these guys are
civillians , militaryis only for last resort , its not like they
invading somewhere...

IIRC the US sent military ships to the tsunami area.
Sue


besides , it makes political sense to wait a while , let a few more die
off , then there is less effort to be expended rescuing folk , cos there
is less to rescue AND , the folk that are rescued , they will love the
govt cos they seen what it can be like without them

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:57:22 -0500, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

There may be a pact with Satan. Think, stand down on 911, vacationing
with one of the most mass, massive hurricanes, think about living beings
with souls and jealousies for gods creation, think about Nazism, satanic.

John, that is pure poetry. Think about writing a book someday.

--
Thomas

"Driven by fear, we have succumbed to the age-old temptation to sacrifice
liberty on the pretense of obtaining security. Love of security, unfortu-
nately, all too often vanquishes love of liberty." Rep. Ron Paul, R-TX

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:57 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"Don Gabacho" wrote in message
roups.com...
"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."


Um.... The democratic Governor is the one in charge of mobilizing the NG,
not the pres. That is sort of the reason for the NG.

Don't confuse him with facts.

RJ

"RJ" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:57 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"Don Gabacho" wrote in message
groups.com...
"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."


Um.... The democratic Governor is the one in charge of mobilizing the NG,
not the pres. That is sort of the reason for the NG.

Don't confuse him with facts.

RJ

Actually now that I read this again.

The NPR prediction is pretty impressive. How did they do it? Let me
see.....a cat 5 storm is about to hit a city that has levies designed for a
cat 3 storm. With such little information and only days before the storm
hit, how did NPR make the prediction?

Chris

On 2 Sep 2005 11:01:17 -0700, "Don Gabacho"
wrote:

"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."

Pretty much seems to me to be a local issue. So what was the Dem
Machine in Nawlins doing? Besides stealing from the People and keeping
the ghettos going?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:57:22 -0500, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message ...
On 1 Sep 2005 20:12:34 -0700, "StatHaldol"
wrote:

So much has been said about placing blame, global warming, the price of
gasoline,
etc...What about the refugees in New Orleans? Is it such a good idea to
send 20,000 of them to the Astrodome in Houston? This has to be a
temporary solution. Many of these refugees may never have a home again
in New Orleans. Let's face it, 90% or more of these refugees are poor
minorities with no hope or jobs...This would be a good opportunity for
us in "blue" states to open our hearts and doors to them. Instead of
housing 20,000+ of them in the Astrodome; why can't we take 1000 or
more of them to EACH state in states from Washington to Maine. This
would be a good opportunity for all of us to experience some
multi-cultural diversity! (Somewhere Ted Kennedy is smiling at the
idea...)


PLEASE take em to the Blue states! They will increase your voting
roles, add diversity and be an interesting adjunct to your population.

We in the Red State know that you will treasure and keep them in the
same hidious poverty they have been kept in by Democrats while living
in New Orleans. A whole new group of poor, hopeless and often
illiterate ghetto minorities to call your very own and to keep under
your thumb, and be kept helpless, hopeless and frankly..stupid.

Mind you..it may take a while to learn to understand their language.
While fascinating to listen to, Creole spiced with Ebonics, with a
ghetto Cajun flavor does take some getting used to.

On the other hand....

We have an illegal alien problem, which is generally caused by poor
inforcement and the fact employers want workers cheap.

We have about 1.8 million homeless as a result of Katrina.

Pass a law, that any employer that hires a refugee (and an ID card
must be provided to prove it) will get to deduct their entire wage
costs, insurance, medical, training and so forth from the net taxes
they have to pay each quarter, for the next 5 yrs.

This will encourage the employer to hire the refugees, which puts them
to work, will encourage the employer to train them and turn those
people into skilled workers.

This means that they get them as FREE workers, because their costs are
deducted from their taxes. The illegal aliens will be fired virtually
over night, and will be forced to leave the country simply because of
lack of work.

The refugees will become trained, have an income not involveing
welfare and will be able to buy or rent their own homes..homes vacated
by the illegals.

Two birds with one stone.

No..dont thank me. Just send me a grant to study the social dynamics
as poor southern blacks are introduced to Northeastern Blueneck
Liberal Racists and are intergrated into your society.

Perhaps Sen KKK Byrd might like a few of the High Yeller ones as
housekeepers?

Gunner


There may be a pact with Satan. Think, stand down on 911, vacationing
with one of the most mass, massive hurricanes, think about living beings
with souls and jealousies for gods creation, think about Nazism, satanic.

John


Drinking that early in the day, John?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:06:54 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"RJ" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:57 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"Don Gabacho" wrote in message
egroups.com...
"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."


Um.... The democratic Governor is the one in charge of mobilizing the NG,
not the pres. That is sort of the reason for the NG.

Don't confuse him with facts.

RJ

Actually now that I read this again.

The NPR prediction is pretty impressive. How did they do it? Let me
see.....a cat 5 storm is about to hit a city that has levies designed for a
cat 3 storm. With such little information and only days before the storm
hit, how did NPR make the prediction?

Maybe because they've been making that prediction for years? I made the same
prediction years ago, when I got out of Louisiana.

Sue wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:15:10 +1000, myal wrote:


Cliff wrote:

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:57:15 -0700, Pope Secola VI
wrote:



Cliff you are a ****ing idiot. Okay drop in an Airborne division.


Like using the Rapid Deploment forces?
Where are they?



Where are they going to get their food, fuel, medical supplies. Do you
know how many ton's of supplies it takes to support an airborne division
in the field. (Obviously not)


Gee .. I wonder what the military has stockpiled .... or someone
can get to an airfield in a few hours ..



Secondly have you looked at a ****ing map and looked the highways into
and out of New Orleans. Only one 4 lane highway is not blocked by down
bridges. Have you seen how many rescue boats have been sunk or damaged
by the debris in the water. Obviously not.


So they did no planning?
Where are ALL the helicopters in the US, not needed
by hospitals as it is?



Last but not least, where are the big ships. Well were are they going
to get the power to raise the draw bridges so the big ships can pass???


Big ships go under drawbridges? To get to the Port of New Orleans
& to the Mississippi?

My map only shows US 90 crossing the river .... here's the
bridge:
http://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/...ise/Bridge.jpg




If you would you your ****ing head for something other than sticking up
your ass you might be able to take part in a intelligent conversation
about what is needed.


"WMDs"?

cliff , youre talking about using the military , fella , these guys are
civillians , militaryis only for last resort , its not like they
invading somewhere...


IIRC the US sent military ships to the tsunami area.
Sue


Probably true , apearences are everything when dealing with the indo govt .

Dealing with folk at home is different especialy when its politicaly
sensitive what and how every little thing is done .




besides , it makes political sense to wait a while , let a few more die
off , then there is less effort to be expended rescuing folk , cos there
is less to rescue AND , the folk that are rescued , they will love the
govt cos they seen what it can be like without them

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:06:54 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"RJ" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:57 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"Don Gabacho" wrote in message
egroups.com...
"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."


Um.... The democratic Governor is the one in charge of mobilizing the NG,
not the pres. That is sort of the reason for the NG.

Don't confuse him with facts.

RJ

Actually now that I read this again.

The NPR prediction is pretty impressive. How did they do it? Let me
see.....a cat 5 storm is about to hit a city that has levies designed for a
cat 3 storm. With such little information and only days before the storm
hit, how did NPR make the prediction?

Umm .... it's WHY the Corps of Engineers wanted the funding that
the shrubbie & republicans cut?
IIRC "60 Miuntes" or PBS had a program on it some years ago.
It was entirely predictable and anticipated .. they were just
lucky that the river is not at a flood stage and that the hurricane
dropped down to a catagory 4 before coming ashore.

BTW, Some areas outside New Orleans may well have more
deaths ....
--
Cliff

"The Watcher" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:06:54 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"RJ" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:57 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"Don Gabacho" wrote in message
legroups.com...
"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of
Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."


Um.... The democratic Governor is the one in charge of mobilizing the
NG,
not the pres. That is sort of the reason for the NG.

Don't confuse him with facts.

RJ

Actually now that I read this again.

The NPR prediction is pretty impressive. How did they do it? Let me
see.....a cat 5 storm is about to hit a city that has levies designed for
a
cat 3 storm. With such little information and only days before the storm
hit, how did NPR make the prediction?

Maybe because they've been making that prediction for years? I made the
same
prediction years ago, when I got out of Louisiana.

Or is this the new liberal way? When the local democrats fail, blame Bush.

If anyone heard the NO mayor cursing up a storm on a radio interview the
other day, it is clear were a good part of the problem lies. Sounded more
like a street thug, than a Mayor. One quote I remember "We need to stop
givin G@# D@# interviews, and solve the G&*# D#% problem at hand".


--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:57:22 -0500, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:


snip

PLEASE take em to the Blue states! They will increase your voting
roles, add diversity and be an interesting adjunct to your population.

We in the Red State know that you will treasure and keep them in the
same hidious poverty they have been kept in by Democrats while living
in New Orleans. A whole new group of poor, hopeless and often
illiterate ghetto minorities to call your very own and to keep under
your thumb, and be kept helpless, hopeless and frankly..stupid.

Mind you..it may take a while to learn to understand their language.
While fascinating to listen to, Creole spiced with Ebonics, with a
ghetto Cajun flavor does take some getting used to.

On the other hand....

We have an illegal alien problem, which is generally caused by poor
inforcement and the fact employers want workers cheap.

We have about 1.8 million homeless as a result of Katrina.

Pass a law, that any employer that hires a refugee (and an ID card
must be provided to prove it) will get to deduct their entire wage
costs, insurance, medical, training and so forth from the net taxes
they have to pay each quarter, for the next 5 yrs.

This will encourage the employer to hire the refugees, which puts them
to work, will encourage the employer to train them and turn those
people into skilled workers.

This means that they get them as FREE workers, because their costs are
deducted from their taxes. The illegal aliens will be fired virtually
over night, and will be forced to leave the country simply because of
lack of work.

The refugees will become trained, have an income not involveing
welfare and will be able to buy or rent their own homes..homes vacated
by the illegals.

Two birds with one stone.

No..dont thank me. Just send me a grant to study the social dynamics
as poor southern blacks are introduced to Northeastern Blueneck
Liberal Racists and are intergrated into your society.

Perhaps Sen KKK Byrd might like a few of the High Yeller ones as
housekeepers?

Gunner


There may be a pact with Satan. Think, stand down on 911, vacationing
with one of the most mass, massive hurricanes, think about living beings
with souls and jealousies for gods creation, think about Nazism, satanic.

John


Drinking that early in the day, John?

Gunner


No more lies. No more photo ops. No more backslapping. In the wake of the
worst natural disaster in our history, we see the fruits of the failed Iraq War and
the casualness and apathy this administration has had for five years now. The
priorities of this administration have never been the American people, never.

The man who ran on Christian values and morals has now been proved to be
completely devoid of them.

"...For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;
and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." -Romans 16:18

Got Vacation ?
http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/rm3.jpg

John

"Graphic Queen" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:44:10 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"The Watcher" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:06:54 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"RJ" wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:57 -0400, "Chris" wrote:


"Don Gabacho" wrote in message
oglegroups.com...
"I think no-one envisaged that it wold be this bad,..."

The "breaking of the levees and the tens of thousands of deaths" was
predicted precisely on NPR radio just days before Katerina made
landfall.

The prediction was NOT unique.

Bush, whose family owns a residence in the oil refining center of
Belle
Chase immeadiately alongside the river and levees, chose, in lieu of
presiding over and mobilizing National Guard, all available
transportation outifts, Army Corps of Engineers, etc., he went to
Arizona to push "Social Security."


Um.... The democratic Governor is the one in charge of mobilizing the
NG,
not the pres. That is sort of the reason for the NG.

Don't confuse him with facts.

RJ

Actually now that I read this again.

The NPR prediction is pretty impressive. How did they do it? Let me
see.....a cat 5 storm is about to hit a city that has levies designed
for
a
cat 3 storm. With such little information and only days before the storm
hit, how did NPR make the prediction?

Maybe because they've been making that prediction for years? I made the
same
prediction years ago, when I got out of Louisiana.

Or is this the new liberal way? When the local democrats fail, blame
Bush.

But you don't seem bothered that the Republicans like to blame
everything and anything on Clinton and the Democrats. Chris, you can
not have it both ways. Both parties suck and I am sick and tired of
hearing about how the Republicans are so far superior to the Democrats
because they are not. They aren't even conservative anymore and that
makes them assholes in my book.

If anyone heard the NO mayor cursing up a storm on a radio interview the
other day, it is clear were a good part of the problem lies. Sounded more
like a street thug, than a Mayor. One quote I remember "We need to stop
givin G@# D@# interviews, and solve the G&*# D#% problem at hand".

Graphic,
You are correct, as both parties suck. Nothing could be further from the
truth that is for sure. I just pick what I think is the lesser of the two
evils. . If Clinton was being blamed for the LA Govenors lack of
response I would of corrected that as well.

He was at his wit's end Chris and people were dying like flies out
there. Give him a break.

There is some level of tolerance, but if you heard the interview....... I
guess this is were we separate the men from the boys. No type of leader
gets up on public radio and curses, uses foul language, and is generally out
of control God forbid if any president got up on the radio and used
anywhere of 10% of the language he used. I heard it on TV and actually had
to look at the screen to ensure myself that I was indeed listening to an
elected official. I honestly did think it was some kind of sick joke. A
normal speech translated into street thug. When things get rough, a leaders
true ability shines through. He must of used the term "G%^d D$%n" 50 times.
I am sure that we will see him in front of the cameras on Sunday, going to
church.

There is a SERIOUS catastrophe at hand down there, getting up on radio,
cursing, blaming, and losing control, is not helping anyone. Three hours
round trip I estimate it took him, three hours that WOULD of been very well
used in some form of leadership. Than again we seem to think these days
that blaming, is some form of leadership.

I feel sorry for the people in general. After listening to the interview,
some of that sorrow was taken away. Anyone who elected this man into
office, is definitely partially to blame. This man does not have the
leadership to work as shift manager at McDonalds yet alone run one of our
great cities.

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

For a ****ing NATIONAL EMERGENCY!!!!

You asswipe!

"Actually now that I read this again.

The NPR prediction is pretty impressive. How did they do it? Let me
see.....a cat 5 storm is about to hit a city that has levies designed
for a
cat 3 storm. With such little information and only days before the
storm
hit, how did NPR make the prediction?"

What!?!

First, NPR did not make the "prediction." They interviewed the
meteorolist/oceanographer in Baton Rouge.

His information was NOT unique!

Bush however stated what the did: "I don't think anyone could have
anticipated the levees breaking."

Thus, his pathetic excuse to absolutely ignore the most learned
warnings.

And you wish to protect Bush!?!

Asswipe.

Why don't you go jump in the lake---Lake Ponchatrain?

Dumb-ass **** head.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Why don't you go jump in the lake---Lake Ponchatrain?

Dumb-ass **** head.


As always the most intelligent ones start cursing and name calling.?.?.?

Graphic Queen wrote:

snipped

I blame Bush for not IMMEDIATELY going back to the Whitehouse when he
knew of the hurricane and knew how bad it was going to be. He was too
****in' worried about bhis damn vacation and making speeches to his
Bush bots out there.

What exactly do you think the would have been able to do by going back
to the White house that he would not have been able to do while
remaining at his house? Are you ignorant enough to think that he has any
less access to communications from his place in TX than from the White
house?

Pete C.

"Pete C." wrote in message
...
Graphic Queen wrote:

snipped

I blame Bush for not IMMEDIATELY going back to the Whitehouse when he
knew of the hurricane and knew how bad it was going to be. He was too
****in' worried about bhis damn vacation and making speeches to his
Bush bots out there.

What exactly do you think the would have been able to do by going back
to the White house that he would not have been able to do while
remaining at his house? Are you ignorant enough to think that he has any
less access to communications from his place in TX than from the White
house?

Pete C.

Pete,
Don't bother. If he had gone to the Whitehouse (not sure why anyways), than
they would complain that he should of remained in TX, were he was closer.

Pete C. wrote:
Graphic Queen wrote:

snipped

I blame Bush for not IMMEDIATELY going back to the Whitehouse when he
knew of the hurricane and knew how bad it was going to be. He was too
****in' worried about bhis damn vacation and making speeches to his
Bush bots out there.


What exactly do you think the would have been able to do by going back
to the White house that he would not have been able to do while
remaining at his house? Are you ignorant enough to think that he has any
less access to communications from his place in TX than from the White
house?

Pete C.
Save your breath Graphic Queen is a complete moron who thinks she thinks.

--
There are in fact two things, Science and opinion,
the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.

Hippocrates
467-377 B.C.

Steve W. wrote:

Actually the storage and testing cost very little per liter. The last
number I heard was 13 dollars per liter. They then break the blood down
into components and use those. Whole blood is seldom used any more.

You need to listen in better places. Here in Jersey the cost of
processing a unit for transfusion (blood is processed in units of about
a pint)is about $128. The HIV/hepatitus/VD screening alone is about $35.

You may find it edifying to look he

http://www.aabb.org/All_About_Blood/...od/receive.htm


Kevin Gallimore

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"axolotl" wrote in message
...
Steve W. wrote:

Actually the storage and testing cost very little per liter. The last
number I heard was 13 dollars per liter. They then break the blood down
into components and use those. Whole blood is seldom used any more.

You need to listen in better places. Here in Jersey the cost of processing
a unit for transfusion (blood is processed in units of about a pint)is
about $128. The HIV/hepatitus/VD screening alone is about $35.

You may find it edifying to look he

http://www.aabb.org/All_About_Blood/...od/receive.htm



I suppose you were given these numbers along with your hospital bill?

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

Chris wrote:

I suppose you were given these numbers along with your hospital bill?


I have a very good friend in the blood and guts business. But Google can
provide you the same numbers.

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"axolotl" wrote in message
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Chris wrote:

I suppose you were given these numbers along with your hospital bill?


I have a very good friend in the blood and guts business. But Google can
provide you the same numbers.

Kevin Gallimore

I have no doubt that this is what the highly inefficient Red Cross is
claiming. It is just that a number that they claim to be spending. Than
again a monopoly can say whatever they want, hospitals have no real choice.

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

"Chris" wrote in message ...

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:

I suppose you were given these numbers along with your hospital bill?


I have a very good friend in the blood and guts business. But Google can
provide you the same numbers.

Kevin Gallimore

I have no doubt that this is what the highly inefficient Red Cross is
claiming. It is just that a number that they claim to be spending. Than
again a monopoly can say whatever they want, hospitals have no real
choice.


Yes they do Chris, or rather, their patients do if it isn't an emergency.
You can always BYOB if you have the time.
I delayed a surgery until I could use my own blood - 8 units including the
reserve budgeted for unexpected complications. This was after Liz Dole took
over management of the blood bank but before it was widely known what her
management practices were. After infecting an killing a bunch of people they
threw out every unit on hand and started over. Mrs. Dole declared victory
and ran for an open spot in the US Senate where she can be found today. The
Red Cross OTOH continues to provide contaminated blood and blood products to
this day, the extent and degree have, however, changed for the better.

--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
.. .

"Chris" wrote in message
...

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:

I suppose you were given these numbers along with your hospital bill?


I have a very good friend in the blood and guts business. But Google
can
provide you the same numbers.

Kevin Gallimore

I have no doubt that this is what the highly inefficient Red Cross is
claiming. It is just that a number that they claim to be spending. Than
again a monopoly can say whatever they want, hospitals have no real
choice.


Yes they do Chris, or rather, their patients do if it isn't an emergency.
You can always BYOB if you have the time.
I delayed a surgery until I could use my own blood - 8 units including the
reserve budgeted for unexpected complications. This was after Liz Dole
took
over management of the blood bank but before it was widely known what her
management practices were. After infecting an killing a bunch of people
they
threw out every unit on hand and started over. Mrs. Dole declared victory
and ran for an open spot in the US Senate where she can be found today.
The
Red Cross OTOH continues to provide contaminated blood and blood products
to
this day, the extent and degree have, however, changed for the better.

--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

John,
Good for you. Never thought of it in a non-emergency situation. Given the
$160 a pint going rate (guesstimate) that the RC is charging the hospitals
and the 100% markup (at least) that the hospitals out on it, I figure you
saved the insurance company $2880. You should send them a bill.

The RC would be the 14th highest profit margin company, if ranked along with
the Fortune 1000.

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

Chris wrote:

I have no doubt that this is what the highly inefficient Red Cross is
claiming. It is just that a number that they claim to be spending. Than
again a monopoly can say whatever they want, hospitals have no real choice.

You are apparently under the misapprehension that all blood comes from
the Red Cross. There are a lot of blood banks out there. The Red Cross
operates only some of them. If you had bothered to look at the link I
posted you might have noticed that it led to the American Association of
Blood Banks. If the Red Cross controlled the business, there would be no
need for the orginization. If you looked a little further into the site,
you would have found some of the steps that take place before the red
bag is plugged into your arm. You may prefer that some of the steps in
the process be eliminated, but most people want to reduce the risk that
the bag of blood will kill them.

Kevin Gallimore

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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:44:10 -0400, "Chris" wrote:

One quote I remember "We need to stop
givin G@# D@# interviews, and solve the G&*# D#% problem at hand".

Suppose the shrubbie & the neocons got the message at long,
long last? ANY of it?
Were the words too big again?
--
Cliff