Jeeeze! I got no more time for this stupid thread! I have to go now and
visit Mom. See, she's in the pen (sob) for stealing that load of bread to
feed us hungry kids. Basic morality made me turn her in. Bye!

Bob Swinney

In article , Robert Swinney says...

Jeeeze! I got no more time for this stupid thread! I have to go now and
visit Mom. See, she's in the pen (sob) for stealing that load of bread to
feed us hungry kids. Basic morality made me turn her in. Bye!

HA ha ha. There's a bunch of **** going on in my life right now
Bob, but that gave me a well needed belly laugh. Thank you!

I am reminded of a story told by a guy I know, he just turned 100
recently. He used to live near the RR tracks in the town nearby,
and he said that when he was a kid, the trains would stop to take
on water. His mom would give him a package of baked goods to
take down to the trains while they were stopped there, and he
would hand them over to the enginner. He would receive a sack
of coal in return.

But the point is the same, this was in principle theft from the
RR company.

And yet I cannot help but get a sense of wonderment when I imagine
some little kid climbing up on a steam locomotive, to deliver some
home baked goodies to grimy engineers - and the heat from the coal
warming the house where the stuff was baked.

I think after 90-odd years, the statute of limitations has run out
on this offense.

Jim


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"jim rozen" wrote


I think after 90-odd years, the statute of limitations has run out
on this offense.

Jim

Probably a dang good thing, too, or some moral upstanding citizen would
report this.

Steve ;-)

jim rozen wrote:

In article , Robert Swinney says...

Jeeeze! I got no more time for this stupid thread! I have to go now and
visit Mom. See, she's in the pen (sob) for stealing that load of bread to
feed us hungry kids. Basic morality made me turn her in. Bye!


HA ha ha. There's a bunch of **** going on in my life right now
Bob, but that gave me a well needed belly laugh. Thank you!

I am reminded of a story told by a guy I know, he just turned 100
recently. He used to live near the RR tracks in the town nearby,
and he said that when he was a kid, the trains would stop to take
on water. His mom would give him a package of baked goods to
take down to the trains while they were stopped there, and he
would hand them over to the enginner. He would receive a sack
of coal in return.

But the point is the same, this was in principle theft from the
RR company.

Or it could be considered informal corporate
generosity and cooperation. The train crews
in those days had considerable lattitude in
the way they conducted their business.

And yet I cannot help but get a sense of wonderment when I imagine
some little kid climbing up on a steam locomotive, to deliver some
home baked goodies to grimy engineers - and the heat from the coal
warming the house where the stuff was baked.

I think after 90-odd years, the statute of limitations has run out
on this offense.

Jim

I love it!!! In my case the fireman would see me picking up the little pieces of
coal with my sled and he would always find a piece to large to fit in the
firebox and toss it overboard as he passed. Sometimes I could hardly drag it
home.

jim rozen wrote:

In article , Robert Swinney says...

Jeeeze! I got no more time for this stupid thread! I have to go now and
visit Mom. See, she's in the pen (sob) for stealing that load of bread to
feed us hungry kids. Basic morality made me turn her in. Bye!

HA ha ha. There's a bunch of **** going on in my life right now
Bob, but that gave me a well needed belly laugh. Thank you!

I am reminded of a story told by a guy I know, he just turned 100
recently. He used to live near the RR tracks in the town nearby,
and he said that when he was a kid, the trains would stop to take
on water. His mom would give him a package of baked goods to
take down to the trains while they were stopped there, and he
would hand them over to the enginner. He would receive a sack
of coal in return.

But the point is the same, this was in principle theft from the
RR company.

And yet I cannot help but get a sense of wonderment when I imagine
some little kid climbing up on a steam locomotive, to deliver some
home baked goodies to grimy engineers - and the heat from the coal
warming the house where the stuff was baked.

I think after 90-odd years, the statute of limitations has run out
on this offense.

Jim

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:25:26 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"jim rozen" wrote


I think after 90-odd years, the statute of limitations has run out
on this offense.

Jim

Probably a dang good thing, too, or some moral upstanding citizen would
report this.

Steve ;-)

I read your post about emergency brakes Steve. I thought about it. And
came to the conclusion that if nobody was injured, and if the person
who did it didn't regularly make mistakes, that I could see myself
doing the exact same thing. I'm pretty sure the forklift operators
knew they'd made a bad mistake, that there ass had just been saved,
and they sure as hell weren't going to do it again.
ERS

"Eric R Snow" wrote

I read your post about emergency brakes Steve. I thought about it. And
came to the conclusion that if nobody was injured, and if the person
who did it didn't regularly make mistakes, that I could see myself
doing the exact same thing. I'm pretty sure the forklift operators
knew they'd made a bad mistake, that there ass had just been saved,
and they sure as hell weren't going to do it again.
ERS

In order to understand the context of the situation, you had to be there.
It was the 70s oilboom of the Gulf of Mexico. People were coming from all
over the country because there was a ton of work. Many came from the rust
belt where they couldn't find work.

There was not a lot of job description or dividing lines. The popular
phrase was "Just get it." meaning do what you have to do to achieve the
goal. People did a lot of jobs, and many of them untrained. The biggest
qualifications were that you were present and willing.

So, there were a lot of forklift drivers who had very little experience.
And I mean VERY little. I couldn't fault a guy who may have just been
thrown into the job at the last moment. And forklift driving was a tiny
part of the whole job, sometimes amounting to a couple of minutes of work on
the lift a day. Not enough time to really get experienced with a lift. And
people didn't refuse orders even when they weren't sure what to do.

There were not a lot of really experienced forklift operators because so few
operations used forklifts.

Steve

the word heartwarming comes to mind.
thanks for sharing, corry

"Corry Clark" wrote in message
...
I love it!!! In my case the fireman would see me picking up the little
pieces of
coal with my sled and he would always find a piece to large to fit in the
firebox and toss it overboard as he passed. Sometimes I could hardly drag
it
home.

jim rozen wrote:

In article , Robert Swinney says...

Jeeeze! I got no more time for this stupid thread! I have to go now
and
visit Mom. See, she's in the pen (sob) for stealing that load of bread
to
feed us hungry kids. Basic morality made me turn her in. Bye!

HA ha ha. There's a bunch of **** going on in my life right now
Bob, but that gave me a well needed belly laugh. Thank you!

I am reminded of a story told by a guy I know, he just turned 100
recently. He used to live near the RR tracks in the town nearby,
and he said that when he was a kid, the trains would stop to take
on water. His mom would give him a package of baked goods to
take down to the trains while they were stopped there, and he
would hand them over to the enginner. He would receive a sack
of coal in return.

But the point is the same, this was in principle theft from the
RR company.

And yet I cannot help but get a sense of wonderment when I imagine
some little kid climbing up on a steam locomotive, to deliver some
home baked goodies to grimy engineers - and the heat from the coal
warming the house where the stuff was baked.

I think after 90-odd years, the statute of limitations has run out
on this offense.

Jim

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:19:36 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:

SteveB wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in

If your "Case skidsteer model 1830" is "inflight" you've got bigger
problems than a cracked crankshaft and the landing probably won't be
pretty...

Pete C.

I believe I did see one in flight before. Total distance: the four feet
from loading dock to the asphalt at street level.

Come to think of it, the landing was not that pretty, and the trajectory was
just awful.

But, you stand corrected. They WILL fly. ;-)

Steve

I've seen several small skidsteers hoisted onto a roof with a crane

According to Moller, hanging from a cable makes it an "skycar".

Wayne

"wmbjk" wrote

I've seen several small skidsteers hoisted onto a roof with a crane



There's a site with outrageous pictures. One has a very large forklift
picking up a smaller forklift, and the smaller one being used to reach the
necessary location.

I think the title of the site was "Why women live longer than men." It had
some doozy photos of men doing stupid things.

Steve

Corry Clark wrote:
I love it!!! In my case the fireman would see me picking up the little pieces of
coal with my sled and he would always find a piece to large to fit in the
firebox and toss it overboard as he passed.


During the '30s my wife's grandfather (the man who gave me my lathe) was
a fireman on the Central Railroad of NJ. He told me they would pull out
larger chunks of coal(that wouldn't fit through the firebox door)during
the trip, line them up on the edge of the engine, and kick them off when
they got into the right sections of town. The kids would be waiting for
them. Fifty years later, he was still happy he had been able to have
helped someone out during hard times.

Kevin Gallimore

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axolotl wrote:

Corry Clark wrote:
I love it!!! In my case the fireman would see me picking up the little pieces of
coal with my sled and he would always find a piece to large to fit in the
firebox and toss it overboard as he passed.

During the '30s my wife's grandfather (the man who gave me my lathe) was
a fireman on the Central Railroad of NJ. He told me they would pull out
larger chunks of coal(that wouldn't fit through the firebox door)during
the trip, line them up on the edge of the engine, and kick them off when
they got into the right sections of town. The kids would be waiting for
them. Fifty years later, he was still happy he had been able to have
helped someone out during hard times.

Kevin Gallimore

Good for him! He deserves the joy from his good deeds. Our line was CN but thank him
for me.

In article , axolotl says...

During the '30s my wife's grandfather (the man who gave me my lathe) was
a fireman on the Central Railroad of NJ. He told me they would pull out
larger chunks of coal(that wouldn't fit through the firebox door)during
the trip, line them up on the edge of the engine, and kick them off when
they got into the right sections of town. The kids would be waiting for
them. Fifty years later, he was still happy he had been able to have
helped someone out during hard times.

My point was though that giving the RR company's coal away to the
poor folks is stealing, basically. It's the same kind of dishonestly
that setting the fork truck brakes is, or telling your SO 'no it doesn't
make ya look chunky.'

You could sort of imagine that the engineers and firemen on those trains
had a kind of command presence - like the captain on a ship on the high
seas. He has more authority than might otherwise be assumed. Same with
a salvage diver underwater or the chief at the scene of a fire.

Was it wrong to give the coal away? I think that question is a litums
test for posters here. Those who would clamor for prosecution are
identified for what they are.

Jim


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Was it wrong to give the coal away? I think that question is a litums
test for posters here. Those who would clamor for prosecution are
identified for what they are.

Jim
What were they supposed to do with it - break it into smaller pieces,
or pitch it over the side to be wasted? At least this way, it helped
the employees make the company look good to someone.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:XE9Ce.34919$4o.7211@fed1read06...
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| I think the title of the site was "Why women live longer than men."
It had
| some doozy photos of men doing stupid things.
http://www.gophergas.com/funstuff/womenlivelonger2.htm
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| Steve
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|

| I think the title of the site was "Why women live longer than men."

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| Steve
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Because they don't have to live with women.

Garrett Fulton

"Mungo Bulge" wrote in message
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"SteveB" wrote in message
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It had
| some doozy photos of men doing stupid things.
http://www.gophergas.com/funstuff/womenlivelonger2.htm
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| Steve

Did he get that backhoe up there okay, or is the bucket tweaked in the
front. I really would like to see the pictures of him getting it down.

Steve

In article , Chuck Sherwood says...

You in the very least are guilty of evidence tampering.

So, I take it you would fire the engineers who gave away the
company coal, and take the kids away in hadcuffs for receiving
it?

It's the same thing really.

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On the other hand, the driver may be continually screwing up. And if
he were fired, everyone's would be safer.


Since you don't know this, isn't it better to let someone who does
know how many times he has screwed up make the correct decision?
I have no problem forgiving someone for screwing up, but it seems
to me that the employer is the person that should be making this
decision.

Many people here feel sorry for the bozo that forgot to set the brake
and might get fired because of it. What about the expense this bozo
is causing him employer? Perhaps this bozo work abilities is endangering
his co-workers. Lets consider the equally poor guy that is looking for
work that could do a better job. Is it fair to allow a poor worker to
stay and deny a job to a better worker? He has a family to feed too.

Lets look at this from another perspective. You hired a contractor
to do a job. maybe he is a painter, concrete worker, welder, carpenter
etc. You give him detailed instructions how to do that job. If he
does not follow your instructions, how would you feel? Would you
feel like he violated the contract? I bet you would.

Put this in the context of the diver hired to retrieve the machine.
He is hired to retrieve the machine. Terms of his contract is do
not alter anything. Setting the brake clearly indicates he did not
perform the job he was hired to do.

From a legal/ethical perspective it is very plain (at least to me)
that setting the brake is the wrong thing to do. From a humanity
perspective, the diver feels like he is doing a good dead by helping
the machine operator keep his job. However, what is the cost of
this good deed? He has overlooked the fact that he might be helping
a bozo that really should be fired, and whos work abilities may
have a negative affect or endanger his co-workers. He is also
overlooking the fact that he may be denying oppurunties to other
better workers.

From that perspective one good deed might have numerous bad side
affects. Since I cannot predict the consequences of manipulating
the truth, I still claim the only fair solution is to stick with
the truth and let there be justice (good or bad) for all.

chuck

In article , Chuck Sherwood says...

Lets look at this from another perspective. You hired a contractor
to do a job. maybe he is a painter, concrete worker, welder, carpenter
etc. You give him detailed instructions how to do that job. If he
does not follow your instructions, how would you feel? Would you
feel like he violated the contract? I bet you would.

And how would you feel if you were that RR company, and you
found out that folks were stealing your resources (coal)
and giving them away?

You'd fire that thief right away, wouldn't you?

Jim


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In article , Chuck Sherwood says...

Lets look at this from another perspective. You hired a contractor
to do a job. maybe he is a painter, concrete worker, welder, carpenter
etc. You give him detailed instructions how to do that job. If he
does not follow your instructions, how would you feel? Would you
feel like he violated the contract? I bet you would.

And how would you feel if you were that RR company, and you
found out that folks were stealing your resources (coal)
and giving them away?

You'd fire that thief right away, wouldn't you?

Jim

From the sound of Chuck, I would say he would first shoot the man, then fire
him.

Steve

And how would you feel if you were that RR company, and you
found out that folks were stealing your resources (coal)
and giving them away?
You'd fire that thief right away, wouldn't you?

You guys covered that in a tangent to this thread.
I feel it is significanly different than our original discussion
but how about we turn it around and see how it plays out.

You are a blacksmith. One of your employees
is taking home coal from your forge. What do you do?

You own a lumber yard. One of your employees
is taking home lumber. What do you do?

You own a trucking company. One of your employees is filling
his vehicle from your pumps. What do you do?
Another employee is using company trucks and fuel to
deliver meals to the elderly. A good deed; but he is
using your vehicles and fuel without your permission. How
do you feel?

You own a small business like Kinkos. One of your employees
makes lots of personal copies on your machines after hours.
Is this ok?

You own a mcdonalds. one or your employees makes himself a
sandwich and eats it. Is he guilting of stealing?

Does it feel different when it gets personal and they are taking
from you instead of an an inpersonal entity such as a large
corporation? Is it ok to steal from a large impersonal
corporation, but not ok to steal from a small business or another
person?

There are lots of shades of gray. Where do YOU draw the line?
When does a good deed turn into a crime?

In the lumber yard case, maybe the employee is using the lumber
to help poor old people. Maybe he is using it to remodel
his own house. Is it stealing in one case and not the other?

I personally know someone that worked at mcdonalds that was
arrested and fired for eating a hamburger without paying for
it, so I think that pretty well establishs there perspective
on it. I know another person that was fired for sending personal
mail through the company mailroom where the company put the
stamp on the letter. Yes they were fired for 1 postage stamp.

So how do YOU define what is acceptable? When is it OK to
push coal over the edge for the poor folks and when does it
become stealing? IS one pound ok, but 100 lbs is stealing?

chuck

On 18 Jul 2005 21:11:14 GMT, Chuck Sherwood wrote:
And how would you feel if you were that RR company, and you
found out that folks were stealing your resources (coal)
and giving them away?
You'd fire that thief right away, wouldn't you?

You guys covered that in a tangent to this thread.
I feel it is significanly different than our original discussion
but how about we turn it around and see how it plays out.

You are a blacksmith. One of your employees
is taking home coal from your forge. What do you do?

Does he have permission?

You own a lumber yard. One of your employees
is taking home lumber. What do you do?

Is he paying for it?

You own a trucking company. One of your employees is filling
his vehicle from your pumps. What do you do?
Another employee is using company trucks and fuel to
deliver meals to the elderly. A good deed; but he is
using your vehicles and fuel without your permission. How
do you feel?

Depends on what the agreement is regarding use of that company resource.
Our cellphones, for instance: the reimbursement is for 90% of the bill,
for an approved plan. They need us to have a cellphone, and we all have
lives and use it for personal calls from time to time. It's a win-win.
If I have a call to make and I make it, I don't have to record what, to
whom, and for how long, because that falls into that agreed upon margin.

In the railroad example, if the crews were given leeway to interface
with the public along the rails in such a way as to give positive P.R.
for the railroad, then they were doing just that by trading lunch for
coal.

You own a mcdonalds. one or your employees makes himself a
sandwich and eats it. Is he guilting of stealing?

These all depend on the agreement between employee and employer, don't
they?

So how do YOU define what is acceptable? When is it OK to
push coal over the edge for the poor folks and when does it
become stealing? IS one pound ok, but 100 lbs is stealing?

Thank you for illustrating the stupidity of zero-tolerance laws,
although I'm not sure that that was your intent.

although I'm not sure that that was your intent.

I want people to look at if from a personal perspective. They are the
business owner. They personally suffer a loss when any company
resources are missed used, given away or stolen.

Now how do they feel when their employee is using company resources
for person use? Do they feel differently if the person uses company
resouces for charity work (without permision).

Why is it different and how do they draw the line between what
is acceptable and what is not acceptable?

chuck

"Chuck Sherwood" wrote in message
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And how would you feel if you were that RR company, and you
found out that folks were stealing your resources (coal)
and giving them away?
You'd fire that thief right away, wouldn't you?

You guys covered that in a tangent to this thread.
I feel it is significanly different than our original discussion
but how about we turn it around and see how it plays out.

You are a blacksmith. One of your employees
is taking home coal from your forge. What do you do?

You own a lumber yard. One of your employees
is taking home lumber. What do you do?

You own a trucking company. One of your employees is filling
his vehicle from your pumps. What do you do?
Another employee is using company trucks and fuel to
deliver meals to the elderly. A good deed; but he is
using your vehicles and fuel without your permission. How
do you feel?

You own a small business like Kinkos. One of your employees
makes lots of personal copies on your machines after hours.
Is this ok?

You own a mcdonalds. one or your employees makes himself a
sandwich and eats it. Is he guilting of stealing?

Does it feel different when it gets personal and they are taking
from you instead of an an inpersonal entity such as a large
corporation? Is it ok to steal from a large impersonal
corporation, but not ok to steal from a small business or another
person?

There are lots of shades of gray. Where do YOU draw the line?
When does a good deed turn into a crime?

In the lumber yard case, maybe the employee is using the lumber
to help poor old people. Maybe he is using it to remodel
his own house. Is it stealing in one case and not the other?

I personally know someone that worked at mcdonalds that was
arrested and fired for eating a hamburger without paying for
it, so I think that pretty well establishs there perspective
on it. I know another person that was fired for sending personal
mail through the company mailroom where the company put the
stamp on the letter. Yes they were fired for 1 postage stamp.

So how do YOU define what is acceptable? When is it OK to
push coal over the edge for the poor folks and when does it
become stealing? IS one pound ok, but 100 lbs is stealing?

chuck

You need to get out more, dude.

Steve

I have been the business owner, or at least co-owner. And we let
employees use company resources. From our perspective helping the
employees was part of the compensation package. It was not as great a
package as we would have liked to have given them, but letting them use
a truck to move was something we could do at minimal cost to us. Our
employees were part of the company, and although we employed kids that
had dealt drugs and had been in jail for armed robbery
( the kid actually robbed a filling station with a shotgun, but was
charged for a much lessor offence, happened before he was working for
us ), we did not have any company resources miss used, given away, or
stolen. And people did make mistakes, but not because they did not
care. It may have cost me some money, but having low turn over saved a
lot more money.

Dan



Chuck Sherwood wrote:
although I'm not sure that that was your intent.

I want people to look at if from a personal perspective. They are the
business owner. They personally suffer a loss when any company
resources are missed used, given away or stolen.

Now how do they feel when their employee is using company resources
for person use? Do they feel differently if the person uses company
resouces for charity work (without permision).

Why is it different and how do they draw the line between what
is acceptable and what is not acceptable?

chuck

In article , Chuck Sherwood says...

You are a blacksmith. One of your employees
is taking home coal from your forge. What do you do?

You own a lumber yard. One of your employees
is taking home lumber. What do you do?

You own a trucking company. One of your employees is filling
his vehicle from your pumps. What do you do?
Another employee is using company trucks and fuel to
deliver meals to the elderly. A good deed; but he is
using your vehicles and fuel without your permission. How
do you feel?

You own a small business like Kinkos. One of your employees
makes lots of personal copies on your machines after hours.
Is this ok?

You own a mcdonalds. one or your employees makes himself a
sandwich and eats it. Is he guilting of stealing?

Basically those are all examples of theft, plain and simple.
Even the guy who takes home a *pencil* from his workplace
is likewise guilty of theft. It's true.

I am agreeing with you on this. Does not matter how
well intentioned the act, no matter how selfless, if
you are transferring your employer's resources to somebody
else without their permission then that's that.

So the engineers get fired, and the kids get put in the
graybar hotel. End of story.

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In article . com,
says...

I have been the business owner, or at least co-owner. And we let
employees use company resources. From our perspective helping the
employees was part of the compensation package. It was not as great a
package as we would have liked to have given them, but letting them use
a truck to move was something we could do at minimal cost to us.

IBM for example has a property pass system - if I want to borrow
any kind of tool or a computer, then if my manager signs off on
the pass, it is offically OK. As far as I'm concerned, nothing
goes out the door without that piece of paper stuck on it.

The funny part was for a while I was bringing *huge* amounts of
gear down to brookhaven national labs while we were setting up
an experiment. Computers, electronics, meters, tools, all kinds
of hardware. But I always had a signed pass for it all.

I was never questioned about it except for one single time. I was
loading up the rental car and a security guy just happened to be
driving by. He stopped and asked "do you have a property pass
for all this stuff?"

I answered "yep, have it right here" and went to drag out my notebook
with the pass staped inside. But he said, "OK, just checking, don't
bother about it."

Jim


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In article . com,
says...

I have been the business owner, or at least co-owner. And we let
employees use company resources. From our perspective helping the
employees was part of the compensation package. It was not as great a
package as we would have liked to have given them, but letting them use
a truck to move was something we could do at minimal cost to us.


IBM for example has a property pass system - if I want to borrow
any kind of tool or a computer, then if my manager signs off on
the pass, it is offically OK. As far as I'm concerned, nothing
goes out the door without that piece of paper stuck on it.

The funny part was for a while I was bringing *huge* amounts of
gear down to brookhaven national labs while we were setting up
an experiment. Computers, electronics, meters, tools, all kinds
of hardware. But I always had a signed pass for it all.

I was never questioned about it except for one single time. I was
loading up the rental car and a security guy just happened to be
driving by. He stopped and asked "do you have a property pass
for all this stuff?"

I answered "yep, have it right here" and went to drag out my notebook
with the pass staped inside. But he said, "OK, just checking, don't
bother about it."

Jim


I've worked for several large companies and they had the same sign this
pass item. A page to security and a page to personnel (HR now)...

When there was a massive reduction in force (a.k.a. layoff) all pages forgiven -
please do not return. So some with 'good' stuff were lucky, those with ok stuff
were ok. No one made like a bandit. If we only knew :-)

I have done the same thing in return - brought in instruments and tools that
the company didn't have or didn't want to rent overnight - for just a few questions.
e.g. nano-amp curve tracer... for leakage testing.
I also have a 1000 A current clamp - a.c. or d.c. - to BNC - which is nice to
watch pictures or with software - extract it from some scopes.

OBTW - I have the HP software IIRC for screen capture -
I can't use due to no HP instruments....

Martin

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In article ,
jim rozen wrote:

In article , Chuck Sherwood says...

[snip]

You own a mcdonalds. one or your employees makes himself a
sandwich and eats it. Is he guilting of stealing?

Well I worked in a McDonalds in the 1960s, and their solution was to tax
our pay five cents an hour, out of $1.25 or so, and let us growing
teenagers eat whatever we liked. We were annoyed until we did the math:
five cents an hour turned out to be a steal. It was basically their
cost, versus the retail price. So we found something else to grouse
about.

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message news:JoeGwinn-
Well I worked in a McDonalds in the 1960s, and their solution was to tax
our pay five cents an hour, out of $1.25 or so, and let us growing
teenagers eat whatever we liked. We were annoyed until we did the math:
five cents an hour turned out to be a steal. It was basically their
cost, versus the retail price. So we found something else to grouse
about.

My very first job was at a McDonalds. It was 1968 in north Seattle, $1.25/hr
but free eats when I first started. About a month later it changed. Had to
pay full price. Even had to cover our uniforms or change and go out front
and buy like a regular customer. Nobody liked it and I'm sure a lot of stuff
was still eaten on the sly. I remember that hamburgers got thrown away if
they sat in the tray too long. Many didn't stay in the trash too long.
Someone would "go on break" and grab a few and go eat.

Lane

SteveB wrote:
"Mungo Bulge" wrote in message
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"SteveB" wrote in message
news:XE9Ce.34919$4o.7211@fed1read06...

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| I think the title of the site was "Why women live longer than men."
It had
| some doozy photos of men doing stupid things.
http://www.gophergas.com/funstuff/womenlivelonger2.htm
|
| Steve


Did he get that backhoe up there okay, or is the bucket tweaked in the
front. I really would like to see the pictures of him getting it down.

Steve


I know a guy who would do that with no worries, one of the best I've
ever seen but he's a bit of a nut.

The one they label as "the winner" looks like he's doing business as
usual, he sure didn't cobble that ladder up for one bulb.

No. 5 there, I've done that. No big deal..

Don't want to be involved in the others though- especially that guy
under the pickup, he's sorta ****ed up.

John

If I remember correctly, the first one, #8 is a commercial product that you
attach to the appropriate tractor. Designed to get up on top of a car and
move from one to the other.
"JohnM" wrote in message
m...
SteveB wrote:
"Mungo Bulge" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:XE9Ce.34919$4o.7211@fed1read06...

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| I think the title of the site was "Why women live longer than men."
It had
| some doozy photos of men doing stupid things.
http://www.gophergas.com/funstuff/womenlivelonger2.htm
|
| Steve


Did he get that backhoe up there okay, or is the bucket tweaked in the
front. I really would like to see the pictures of him getting it down.

Steve

I know a guy who would do that with no worries, one of the best I've ever
seen but he's a bit of a nut.

The one they label as "the winner" looks like he's doing business as
usual, he sure didn't cobble that ladder up for one bulb.

No. 5 there, I've done that. No big deal..

Don't want to be involved in the others though- especially that guy under
the pickup, he's sorta ****ed up.

John