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Can A Garage Be TOO Big?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...onster_garages
TROY, Mich. - Paul Piscopo wanted a home for his nine cars with plenty of space left over for other vehicles he might buy down the road. So, while building a house in suburban Detroit, he also put up a garage - a cavernous 6,000-square-foot structure that covers three times as much ground as his home and can hold 28 full-size pickup trucks. "It's a beautiful garage," Piscopo said, smiling. "It's got all the amenities." But some of his neighbors disagree, calling it an eyesore. And they are not the only ones raising questions about outsized garages. As more people buy larger cars and trucks, cities are struggling with how to regulate huge garages while balancing the rights of property owners and nearby residents. Neighbors have dubbed it the "Monster Garage" and insist Piscopo's hulking sheet metal structure has hurt their property values. They want it torn down. "You have to see it to believe the disaster," said George Reed, who has lived next door to Piscopo's property for nearly 40 years. The Troy City Council and the city planning commission met recently to discuss tightening restrictions on similar garages in the future. But it is unlikely any changes would affect Piscopo's property because revisions to city ordinances would affect only new construction projects. Garages have grown steadily bigger over the last 20 years, prompting communities to review zoning regulations, said Brian Wenzel, chief operating officer of Atwell-Hicks, an Ann Arbor-based development consulting firm that does business in 20 states. "Debates over restrictions aren't just occurring in the Midwest. They're occurring in places like California and Portland, Oregon, and across the country," he said. In Schererville, Ind., city officials halted construction of a home in February after noticing its garage door was taller than the city's 9-foot limit. The garage had been designed to accommodate a motor home almost 13 feet tall and 10 feet wide. The homeowners, whose construction plans had been approved by city officials, were later granted a variance and allowed to continue building. In suburban Pittsburgh, officials considered a new ordinance that would prohibit attached garages from exceeding 20 percent of a home's total size. Piscopo said he made every effort to comply with city regulations when he drew up plans for the garage. The city granted him a construction permit in 2003. Plans for the enormous structure were approved because the building covers less than 30 percent of Piscopo's acre lot and is set back from the road. Only after construction began did neighbors start to complain, he said. Once they realized the size of Piscopo's project, Reed and another neighbor took their concerns to the City Council but made little progress. They filed an appeal with the city's zoning board of appeals, claiming the city had wrongfully issued a building permit to Piscopo. A hearing on the appeal is scheduled for Tuesday. The other neighbor, Tom Trent, maintains that if the board rules in their favor, it could order Piscopo to tear down the whole thing and start from scratch. That probably would result in a messy legal battle that both sides hope to avoid. "I don't want to deal with all that," Piscopo said. "It doesn't pay. The only one who wins that way are the lawyers." Reed said he recently met with a real estate agent who told him his home's proximity to the garage could cut its value by as much as 25 percent, and even then he would have a hard time selling it. Reed told the City Council and planning commission that the garage "shouldn't have been put there." "It's kind of destroyed my future security," he said. |
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No, a garage can never be too big!
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message oups.com... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...onster_garages TROY, Mich. - Paul Piscopo wanted a home for his nine cars with plenty of space left over for other vehicles he might buy down the road. So, while building a house in suburban Detroit, he also put up a garage - a cavernous 6,000-square-foot structure that covers three times as much ground as his home and can hold 28 full-size pickup trucks. "It's a beautiful garage," Piscopo said, smiling. "It's got all the amenities." But some of his neighbors disagree, calling it an eyesore. And they are not the only ones raising questions about outsized garages. As more people buy larger cars and trucks, cities are struggling with how to regulate huge garages while balancing the rights of property owners and nearby residents. Neighbors have dubbed it the "Monster Garage" and insist Piscopo's hulking sheet metal structure has hurt their property values. They want it torn down. "You have to see it to believe the disaster," said George Reed, who has lived next door to Piscopo's property for nearly 40 years. The Troy City Council and the city planning commission met recently to discuss tightening restrictions on similar garages in the future. But it is unlikely any changes would affect Piscopo's property because revisions to city ordinances would affect only new construction projects. Garages have grown steadily bigger over the last 20 years, prompting communities to review zoning regulations, said Brian Wenzel, chief operating officer of Atwell-Hicks, an Ann Arbor-based development consulting firm that does business in 20 states. "Debates over restrictions aren't just occurring in the Midwest. They're occurring in places like California and Portland, Oregon, and across the country," he said. In Schererville, Ind., city officials halted construction of a home in February after noticing its garage door was taller than the city's 9-foot limit. The garage had been designed to accommodate a motor home almost 13 feet tall and 10 feet wide. The homeowners, whose construction plans had been approved by city officials, were later granted a variance and allowed to continue building. In suburban Pittsburgh, officials considered a new ordinance that would prohibit attached garages from exceeding 20 percent of a home's total size. Piscopo said he made every effort to comply with city regulations when he drew up plans for the garage. The city granted him a construction permit in 2003. Plans for the enormous structure were approved because the building covers less than 30 percent of Piscopo's acre lot and is set back from the road. Only after construction began did neighbors start to complain, he said. Once they realized the size of Piscopo's project, Reed and another neighbor took their concerns to the City Council but made little progress. They filed an appeal with the city's zoning board of appeals, claiming the city had wrongfully issued a building permit to Piscopo. A hearing on the appeal is scheduled for Tuesday. The other neighbor, Tom Trent, maintains that if the board rules in their favor, it could order Piscopo to tear down the whole thing and start from scratch. That probably would result in a messy legal battle that both sides hope to avoid. "I don't want to deal with all that," Piscopo said. "It doesn't pay. The only one who wins that way are the lawyers." Reed said he recently met with a real estate agent who told him his home's proximity to the garage could cut its value by as much as 25 percent, and even then he would have a hard time selling it. Reed told the City Council and planning commission that the garage "shouldn't have been put there." "It's kind of destroyed my future security," he said. |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
oups.com... | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...=21&u=/ap/2005 0420/ap_on_re_us/monster_garages | | | TROY, Mich. - Paul Piscopo wanted a home for his nine cars with plenty | of space left over for other vehicles he might buy down the road. | | So, while building a house in suburban Detroit, he also put up a garage | - a cavernous 6,000-square-foot structure that covers three times as | much ground as his home and can hold 28 full-size pickup trucks. | SNIP While I'm not that old, I grew up where if you had title to the property, you could do just about any **** thing you wanted to it. No one has any rights to any kind of view, regular property value increases, or anything else that isn't contained within their property line or codified in writing. If these folks think that they have a right to continuously increasing property values or any say in how I build, then when I build a nicer house than anyone else, which drives their values up, I expect a large part of their equity in cash when they sell it, going by their logic applied to both sides. That said, if a freeway was relocated next to my house and it never actually touches my property, I sure can't do a damn thing about it, nor can I do anything about what the owner of the property next door does as long as its within the law. As for the question posed, I can see how spending more time maintaining your shop instead of working in it could be an issue, but that's probably over 50,000 SF or so, I guess. Then again if you can afford to build a shop like that, you can afford to hire someone to maintain it for you, work on your cars, polish the floors, do your dirty work, and anything else you want them to do! |
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| TROY, Mich. - Paul Piscopo wanted a home for his nine cars with plenty
| of space left over for other vehicles he might buy down the road. | | So, while building a house in suburban Detroit, he also put up a garage | - a cavernous 6,000-square-foot structure that covers three times as | much ground as his home and can hold 28 full-size pickup trucks. | SNIP Michegan? First thing I'm thinking is cost to heat... If it is heated. -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 http://www.AutoDrill.com http://www.Multi-Drill.com V8013 |
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I do not necessarily agree that just because you have title to a
property gives you free reign to do as you please with it. We are each only temporary in the scheme of things. Yes, you own it now, but what about whomever comes after you. Or whomever came before you. In any case, I don't see that he did anything wrong. The neighbors can stuff it in my opinion. As long as he followed appropriate channels(which he apparently did), followed all relevent codes, etc. Too bad. He hasnt' done anything I would consider bad land management. He hasn't paved over his entire lot. He isn't over any of the setbacks. Etc, etc. JW |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote: In suburban Pittsburgh, officials considered a new ordinance that would prohibit attached garages from exceeding 20 percent of a home's total size. Uh, excuse me, I have a 960sqft house which means my garage can only be 10 x 19' (192sqft) ?? So if one builds their house too small they only barely get a 1 stall garage?? I wonder if there's anything that says you can't build a 6000 square ft structure, 1000 of which is house, 5000' garage with one 9x7 door?? It's a REALLY big family room. Is there anything that says you have to have interior walls?? As long as it looks like a house from teh street and fits on the lot what can they do?? Bunch of damn politicians trying to run our lives............... Tom ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Geez, I'd love to live next to that guy! Depressed property prices will
make the purchase from one of those idiots around him a lot easier and he'll have all of the great tools that I'd need to keep up my cars. That's pluses all the way along! -- Why isn't there an Ozone Hole at the NORTH Pole? |
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"jw" wrote in message
ups.com... | I do not necessarily agree that just because you have title to a | property gives you free reign to do as you please with it. We are each | only temporary in the scheme of things. Yes, you own it now, but what | about whomever comes after you. Or whomever came before you. I stand by my original statement. You can do what you see fit with your property, and you must also assume responsibility for any consequences of such actions, such as you creating something uninteresting to future buyers. Some German (?) airline had their 747's built so that the cockpit switches all turned on by flipping them down, instead of the usual up pattern. They found out the very, very hard way that nobody wanted them when it was time to sell them because the planes had to be rewired at great expense to make them sellable. They are welcome to do whatever they want, obviously, because it's their tab, but like the example stated, they had to deal with the unexpected consequences, as we find out about all through our lives. |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in
oups.com: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...519&e=21&u=/ap /20050420/ap_on_re_us/monster_garages In my opinion, the b*tchy neighbors can shove it where the sun don't shine. He followed all laws and regulations, the only thing is he didn't build it big enough! One can never have toooo much garage...IMHO. Let em sell...if he buys thier lots, he can EXPAND! -- Anthony You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make better idiots. Remove sp to reply via email |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...onster_garages TROY, Mich. - Paul Piscopo wanted a home for his nine cars with plenty of space left over for other vehicles he might buy down the road. So, while building a house in suburban Detroit, he also put up a garage - a cavernous 6,000-square-foot structure that covers three times as much ground as his home and can hold 28 full-size pickup trucks. "It's a beautiful garage," Piscopo said, smiling. "It's got all the amenities." But some of his neighbors disagree, calling it an eyesore. And they are not the only ones raising questions about outsized garages. As more people buy larger cars and trucks, cities are struggling with how to regulate huge garages while balancing the rights of property owners and nearby residents. Neighbors have dubbed it the "Monster Garage" and insist Piscopo's hulking sheet metal structure has hurt their property values. They want it torn down. "You have to see it to believe the disaster," said George Reed, who has lived next door to Piscopo's property for nearly 40 years. The Troy City Council and the city planning commission met recently to discuss tightening restrictions on similar garages in the future. But it is unlikely any changes would affect Piscopo's property because revisions to city ordinances would affect only new construction projects. Garages have grown steadily bigger over the last 20 years, prompting communities to review zoning regulations, said Brian Wenzel, chief operating officer of Atwell-Hicks, an Ann Arbor-based development consulting firm that does business in 20 states. "Debates over restrictions aren't just occurring in the Midwest. They're occurring in places like California and Portland, Oregon, and across the country," he said. In Schererville, Ind., city officials halted construction of a home in February after noticing its garage door was taller than the city's 9-foot limit. The garage had been designed to accommodate a motor home almost 13 feet tall and 10 feet wide. The homeowners, whose construction plans had been approved by city officials, were later granted a variance and allowed to continue building. In suburban Pittsburgh, officials considered a new ordinance that would prohibit attached garages from exceeding 20 percent of a home's total size. Piscopo said he made every effort to comply with city regulations when he drew up plans for the garage. The city granted him a construction permit in 2003. Plans for the enormous structure were approved because the building covers less than 30 percent of Piscopo's acre lot and is set back from the road. Only after construction began did neighbors start to complain, he said. Once they realized the size of Piscopo's project, Reed and another neighbor took their concerns to the City Council but made little progress. They filed an appeal with the city's zoning board of appeals, claiming the city had wrongfully issued a building permit to Piscopo. A hearing on the appeal is scheduled for Tuesday. The other neighbor, Tom Trent, maintains that if the board rules in their favor, it could order Piscopo to tear down the whole thing and start from scratch. That probably would result in a messy legal battle that both sides hope to avoid. "I don't want to deal with all that," Piscopo said. "It doesn't pay. The only one who wins that way are the lawyers." Reed said he recently met with a real estate agent who told him his home's proximity to the garage could cut its value by as much as 25 percent, and even then he would have a hard time selling it. Reed told the City Council and planning commission that the garage "shouldn't have been put there." "It's kind of destroyed my future security," he said. |
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soapbox...
Would you say the same thing if the previous owner had a buried fuel tank and didn't bother to tell you? Or an uncapped well, or a failed septic field, or who knows what thrown in the basement of the previous house before it was dozed, or ..... Legally don't have to. It's not about the financial value of said property. It's about being a good steward of the land you have the privilege of occupying for the time being. The mentality that is MINE I can do whatever the hell I want with it is such an offensive, selfish opinion that is typical of so many Americans. No wonders most of the world hates us. We have no regard for anyone but ourselves. I have recently dealt with someone who had the same stance as you. He wanted to build this huge garage that didn't fit his lot. I had no problem with the size of the shed, but it didn't fit on his lot. The zoning board questioned that it encroached on the setbacks of the lot. With further research, we came to find out that where he was planning to build was not even his property but partly the neighbors. And yet he still could not understand why his building application was denied. His response... "Well, the guy down the street built one just like it". So as to not be taken for a liberal, or in favor of government controls, I do agree that people should be allowed to do what they feel is appropriate for their property AS LONG AS their is still some sort of "jury of peers" that tries to keep things proper. I am going to make the wild assumption that you do not live in a rural area. I do, and am extremely tired of ignorant city dwellers moving to the country and ruining well established agricultural land. Or they move out to the country and then complain that their neighbors are "making too much noise", "making too much dust", "blocking highways with big equipment", "they smell", etc. Got news for you, we were here first. You can go back where you came from, or accept that we are part of your neighborhood. We won't change just because you don't like it. Off my soap box for now. I'm a little sensitive on this issue. As I stated, I don't think the gentleman in question did anything at all wrong. JW |
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"jw" wrote in message
oups.com... | soapbox... | | Would you say the same thing if the previous owner had a buried fuel | tank and didn't bother to tell you? Or an uncapped well, or a failed | septic field, or who knows what thrown in the basement of the previous | house before it was dozed, or ..... Legally don't have to. | | It's not about the financial value of said property. It's about being | a good steward of the land you have the privilege of occupying for the | time being. Absolutely. Who said trust, but verify? | The mentality that is MINE I can do whatever the hell I want with it is | such an offensive, selfish opinion that is typical of so many | Americans. No wonders most of the world hates us. We have no regard | for anyone but ourselves. I won't touch the second comment, but here in America, private property is a cornerstone of our powerful economic system. Not to say that zoning, well meant but ill-advised, hasn't been encroaching on that valued right in various degrees. Citizens of the world may state that they hate America, but they love Americans and would love dearly to be one. We didn't get to this point so quickly (a mere 200 or so years) without private property and many other unalienable rights. | I have recently dealt with someone who had the same stance as you. He | wanted to build this huge garage that didn't fit his lot. Far from the same stance, but I see where you're going. Setbacks have a good reason, most common being fire, which is a reasonable zoning issue. If this fellow wants to build on _someone else's_ property or in a reasonably restricted area, then we have nothing in common. I call those people assholes.... or politicians, take your pick. | So as to not be taken for a liberal, or in favor of government | controls, I do agree that people should be allowed to do what they feel | is appropriate for their property AS LONG AS their is still some sort | of "jury of peers" that tries to keep things proper. I am going to | make the wild assumption that you do not live in a rural area. I do, | and am extremely tired of ignorant city dwellers moving to the country | and ruining well established agricultural land. I grew up in somewhat rural East Texas, which was really nice, but am living up here north of Seattle because I came up here after a woman and wound up staying for a good job. Still got the woman but I miss the area I grew up in. We have something worse than what you're discussing here. The city folks (Seattle and the like) are working hard making it difficult to do anything other than farm with your farmland, but on the other hand, they also love the folks who do everything they can to make it harder and harder to be a farmer. Now that the farmer can't make any money farming his little or medium sized plot, he wants to get out, but nobody wants to buy farmland because it can't be developed or turned into megafarms. When he dies, the gov'nr takes most of the farm and he's finally out of farming. Not many other ways to get out, it seems. That kind of folk **** me off the most. Or they move out to | the country and then complain that their neighbors are "making too much | noise", "making too much dust", "blocking highways with big equipment", | "they smell", etc. Got news for you, we were here first. You can go | back where you came from, or accept that we are part of your | neighborhood. We won't change just because you don't like it. I had a neighbor as a kid that raised pigs and had a furhouse for awhile. Some afternoons in August the stench was unbearable, but there wasn't much we could do about it, and didn't even try. Wasn't worth it. Eventually he found another venture, as usual, and most of the smell went away. Driving around here when the remaining farmers are fertilizing their fields with manure, my kids now speak first and observe that it's the smell of money. The cookie cutter housing developments along the hills are just gonna have to get used to it until the farmers have all been run out as noted above. | Off my soap box for now. I'm a little sensitive on this issue. That's actually a good thing! As I | stated, I don't think the gentleman in question did anything at all | wrong. We agree a lot more than you suspect, but I didn't spend much time explaining how stewardship of resources isn't just a statement that you can do whatever you want with your resources, but you have to manage them for maximum value and longevity. No right minded rancher will kill his entire herd, even though he could if he wanted, because now he has nothing to start a new one with. Wildlife departments, much to the dismay of animal huggers everywhere, have to manage the stock of wildlife not just for hunters, because there needs to be enough to keep reproducing, without starving themselves from overbreeding. Proper stewardship isn't always mandated by law, but even animals don't **** where they eat. CRM |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:39:25 GMT, "carl mciver"
wrote: The cookie cutter housing developments along the hills are just gonna have to get used to it until the farmers have all been run out as noted above. Little boxes on the hillside Little boxes made of ticky tacky Little boxes Little boxes Little boxes all the same There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same And the people in the houses all go to the university And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same And there's doctors and there's lawyers And business executives And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same And they all play on the golf course and drink their martini dry And they all have pretty children and the children go to school And the children go to summer camp And then to the university And they all get put in boxes, and they all come out the same And the boys go into business and marry and raise a family And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same There's a green one, and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same Pete Seeger Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:39:25 GMT, "carl mciver" wrote: The cookie cutter housing developments along the hills are just gonna have to get used to it until the farmers have all been run out as noted above. Little boxes on the hillside Little boxes made of ticky tacky Little boxes Little boxes Little boxes all the same There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same And the people in the houses all go to the university And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same And there's doctors and there's lawyers And business executives And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same And they all play on the golf course and drink their martini dry And they all have pretty children and the children go to school And the children go to summer camp And then to the university And they all get put in boxes, and they all come out the same And the boys go into business and marry and raise a family And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same There's a green one, and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same Pete Seeger Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" Condensed down it's "PYV" - Plastic Yuppie Vermin... Pete C. |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:24:57 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:39:25 GMT, "carl mciver" wrote: The cookie cutter housing developments along the hills are just gonna have to get used to it until the farmers have all been run out as noted above. Little boxes on the hillside Little boxes made of ticky tacky Little boxes Little boxes Little boxes all the same There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same And the people in the houses all go to the university And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same And there's doctors and there's lawyers And business executives And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same And they all play on the golf course and drink their martini dry And they all have pretty children and the children go to school And the children go to summer camp And then to the university And they all get put in boxes, and they all come out the same And the boys go into business and marry and raise a family And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same There's a green one, and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same Pete Seeger Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" Condensed down it's "PYV" - Plastic Yuppie Vermin... Pete C. That hurts so good. When I saw the aerial picture of JT house it didn't look that big. If I had bucks like that I'd have the house and jets all inside as my living space. Like a large city block of a warehouse that a big shipping company would work out of. To the point that you'd loose your toy blimp in. |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:24:57 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:39:25 GMT, "carl mciver" wrote: The cookie cutter housing developments along the hills are just gonna have to get used to it until the farmers have all been run out as noted above. Little boxes on the hillside Little boxes made of ticky tacky Little boxes Little boxes Little boxes all the same There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same And the people in the houses all go to the university And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same And there's doctors and there's lawyers And business executives And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same And they all play on the golf course and drink their martini dry And they all have pretty children and the children go to school And the children go to summer camp And then to the university And they all get put in boxes, and they all come out the same And the boys go into business and marry and raise a family And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same There's a green one, and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same Pete Seeger Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" Condensed down it's "PYV" - Plastic Yuppie Vermin... Pete C. Ayup. Gunner Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error" |
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Gunner writes: Little boxes on the hillside [snip] Pete Seeger Pete didn't write that one. That was Malvina Reynolds. |
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I won't touch the second comment, but here in America, private property is a cornerstone of our powerful economic system. Not to say that zoning, well meant but ill-advised, hasn't been encroaching on that valued right in various degrees. Citizens of the world may state that they hate America, but they love Americans and would love dearly to be one. We didn't get to this point so quickly (a mere 200 or so years) without private property and many other unalienable rights. There is not, nor has there ever been unlimited private property. I too have my issues with zoning, but it is not new. It is likely everyone you know bought there property after zoning was created and has no excuse for thinking they can do what they like. Here in the people's republic[mass] we still have jokers who think they can fill swamps or dig out hillsides without a permit. Maybe the Indians were right, you can't really own land. (Seattle and the like) are working hard making it difficult to do anything other than farm with your farmland, but on the other hand, they also love the folks who do everything they can to make it harder and harder to be a farmer. Now that the farmer can't make any money farming his little or medium sized plot, he wants to get out, but nobody wants to buy farmland because it can't be developed or turned into megafarms. When he dies, the gov'nr takes most of the farm and he's finally out of farming. Not many other ways to get out, it seems. That kind of folk **** me off the most. Read about that, makes you shake your head. |
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I am finishing my house right now and then can get back to working on
my garage. The city wouldn't let me build a workshop and 1100 sq. ft. garage so I changed the name of the workshop to ancillary unit (mother-in-law unit) and that allowed me to build an 1100 sq ft. workshop and up to 1400 sq. ft. of garage though I felt 1100 sq. ft. was enough. The package sits at the front of the lot well disguised as modest living unit. That puts the very nice house 150 ft. from the street and and out of earshot of the noisey pool parties across the street. I am hoping the lathe and mill will drown out the sounds of these disturbances when the shop is operational. Right now the compressor is very effective as it runs a lot; spray painting doors, cabinets, base and case. The ancillary unit has no closets, the front door opens straight into the office ( whoops, kitchen) and I had to have a shower in the bathroom after it became an ancillary unit but I couldn't have one when it was a work shop. I am going to write a long story for RCM when I get it all wrapped up. In fact it may well become a book as I want to explain why I chose the machines and equipment I am going to put in the shop. Leigh@MarMachine |
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I look forward to reading anything you can to write for us.
Congrats on the new shop...uhm...I mean MIL unit. I wager you will regret later not building that extra 300 sq. ft. But that is okay, I will store any mill or lathe that you don't have room for. Of course you will have to store your MIL. ;) Did you have to put a rocking chair and knitting supplies in the MIL unit in case the inspector comes to call? TMT |
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On 27 Apr 2005 20:19:33 -0700, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote: I look forward to reading anything you can to write for us. Congrats on the new shop...uhm...I mean MIL unit. I wager you will regret later not building that extra 300 sq. ft. But that is okay, I will store any mill or lathe that you don't have room for. Of course you will have to store your MIL. ;) Did you have to put a rocking chair and knitting supplies in the MIL unit in case the inspector comes to call? TMT on't forget the footstool and teapot. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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There is much jealousy hereabouts. i built almost a 1000 sqft garage, and it just isn't big enough 1000 Sq Ft isn't big in my book. That's medium at best. Lane |
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yourname wrote:
wrote: I am finishing my house right now and then can get back to working on my garage. The city wouldn't let me build a workshop and 1100 sq. ft. garage so I changed the name of the workshop to ancillary unit (mother-in-law unit) and that allowed me to build an 1100 sq ft. workshop and up to 1400 sq. ft. of garage though I felt 1100 sq. ft. w There is much jealousy hereabouts. i built almost a 1000 sqft garage, and it just isn't big enough I have a 900 and I know it isn't. Thankfully, we have a shop building for the outdoor tools and machines... keeping my shop free. But then I have a half bath (cry no laundry sink) and a Lazyboy chair with round table for 4, coffee table and water cooler. The CNC Plasma machine is being put together now (what a kit!) in front of one 10'x10' door while the other 'front' 10' door is behind my desk for deliveries. Two more 10's are across the bay allowing almost an open air work shop. Nice on hot days. I have Table saw, wood bandsaw, wood lathe, cabinets, metal lathe, metal horz bandsaw and my mill across most of the back two 10' doors. I'm a bit cramped in that area. Still just moving in. I think the cabinets will have to move to the central region of the shop to allow more Lathe area. Martin -- Martin Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:46:17 -0500, "lionslair at consolidated dot
net" "lionslair at consolidated dot net" wrote: yourname wrote: wrote: I am finishing my house right now and then can get back to working on my garage. The city wouldn't let me build a workshop and 1100 sq. ft. garage so I changed the name of the workshop to ancillary unit (mother-in-law unit) and that allowed me to build an 1100 sq ft. workshop and up to 1400 sq. ft. of garage though I felt 1100 sq. ft. w There is much jealousy hereabouts. i built almost a 1000 sqft garage, and it just isn't big enough I have a 900 and I know it isn't. Thankfully, we have a shop building for the outdoor tools and machines... keeping my shop free. But then I have a half bath (cry no laundry sink) and a Lazyboy chair with round table for 4, coffee table and water cooler. The CNC Plasma machine is being put together now (what a kit!) in front of one 10'x10' door while the other 'front' 10' door is behind my desk for deliveries. Two more 10's are across the bay allowing almost an open air work shop. Nice on hot days. I have Table saw, wood bandsaw, wood lathe, cabinets, metal lathe, metal horz bandsaw and my mill across most of the back two 10' doors. I'm a bit cramped in that area. Still just moving in. I think the cabinets will have to move to the central region of the shop to allow more Lathe area. Martin Good design for Houston. Sounds like an ice house. Just add a bar and a couple pool tables. The garage here is 2x2, cars, that is. The back half is mine, with the bandsaw, welding and cutting stuff, son's forge and anvil, and the shaper. When I finish painting and reassembling the mill, the shaper is going in the basement shop. Pete Keillor |
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Lane wrote:
There is much jealousy hereabouts. i built almost a 1000 sqft garage, and it just isn't big enough 1000 Sq Ft isn't big in my book. That's medium at best. Lane Well, I have small cars |
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