I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?

On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:43:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

Can anybody explain to me why mail-in voting and ballot drop boxes were lauded
by Georgia Republicans in 2016 but now they're a big damned problem?

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/2/21 5:14 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:43:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.
Can anybody explain to me why mail-in voting and ballot drop boxes were lauded
by Georgia Republicans in 2016 but now they're a big damned problem?

Cindy Hamilton


The democrats used them to cheat and steal the election.

On 4/1/21 11:39 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.
I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?



The real issue, that no elected official is addressing, is the cheat-o-matic voting machines.

On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:40:13 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.
I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?

I guess it's ok for the actual poll workers to pass out stuff but it has to available to everyone. Supposedly, people
could be bribed with a Big Mac.
This is from The Washington Post. The rhetoric is toned down.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/30/biden-falsely-claims-new-georgia-law-ends-voting-hours-early/

On 4/1/2021 10:43 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

That is correct. I have mentioned several times that I have gone to
vote at the polls in Delaware and once a neighbor and once a coworker
working the polls said, "Hi, Frank. I need to see some ID."

In GA I understand it is OK to bring food or drink or have it given by
poll workers but Black Panthers or MAGA hat wearers cannot do it.

On 4/2/2021 5:14 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:43:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

Can anybody explain to me why mail-in voting and ballot drop boxes were lauded
by Georgia Republicans in 2016 but now they're a big damned problem?

Cindy Hamilton


Easy to explain. Too many Democrats used them.

On 4/1/2021 11:39 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?


Partly understandable. Years ago the bars were closed on election day
because candidates used them to buy drinks for voters as a bribe.

Now giving water to someone in line seems a simple courtesy, one party
will be giving out hamburgers or pizza. It could be abused. If water
is available it should be some non affiliated entity. I don't know that
food is really needed.

On 04/02/2021 05:04 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I guess it's ok for the actual poll workers to pass out stuff but it has to available to everyone. Supposedly, people
could be bribed with a Big Mac.

It used to require a shot and a beer.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 07:42:35 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I guess it's ok for the actual poll workers to pass out stuff but it has to available to everyone. Supposedly, people
could be bribed with a Big Mac.

It used to require a shot and a beer.

Where and when was that, senile blabbermouth?

Dean Hoffman writes:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?

On 4/2/2021 11:25 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dean Hoffman writes:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.
As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?


There was massive fraud.Â* The mistake the Republicans made was assuming the federal government would investigate it.Â* For whatever reason, the feds chose to ignore the evidence.

But now the states and private individuals are stepping up to expose it.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...the_fraud.html

On 4/2/2021 11:38 AM, Hal Bundy wrote:
On 4/2/2021 11:25 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dean Hoffman writes:
Â*Â* I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to
Georgia's voting laws are.Â*Â* It's sure easy to see how people with
full schedules can be misled about such things.Â* This is the counter
position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/

Â*Â* There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President.
He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more
restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.
As a counterpoint,Â* This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html


There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?


There was massive fraud.Â* The mistake the Republicans made was assuming
the federal government would investigate it.Â* For whatever reason, the
feds chose to ignore the evidence.

But now the states and private individuals are stepping up to expose it.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...the_fraud.html





Yeah, Pillow Mike will get this straightened out! He says Trump takes
office in August.

In article , says...

As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?



If there was no fraud it looks like the democrats would be pushing to
have the votes recounted or what ever it takes to prove the republicans
were just crying foul.

" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:43:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's
voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can
be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He
claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive
voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

Can anybody explain to me why mail-in voting and ballot drop boxes were
lauded
by Georgia Republicans in 2016 but now they're a big damned problem?

Yep, they discovered that the change gave dems enough votes to shaft the
repugs.

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 11:38:26 AM UTC-4, Hal Bundy wrote:
On 4/2/2021 11:25 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dean Hoffman writes:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.
As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?
There was massive fraud. The mistake the Republicans made was assuming the federal government would investigate it. For whatever reason, the feds chose to ignore the evidence.

But now the states and private individuals are stepping up to expose it.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...the_fraud.html

I didn't see any evidence there.

Does this sound like an unbiased writer?

"The ballot is cast, illegally for sure, and counted."

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 12:36:42 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?


If there was no fraud it looks like the democrats would be pushing to
have the votes recounted or what ever it takes to prove the republicans
were just crying foul.

Ralph, the votes were recounted. Some places did a full recount and others
did statistical sampling.

Here's a summary of the audit for the state in which I live:

https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127--552029--,00.html

Here's the report for Georgia:

https://sos.ga.gov/admin/uploads/11.19_.20_Risk_Limiting_Audit_Report_Memo_1.pdf

Cindy Hamilton

Ralph Mowery writes:
In article , says...

As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?



If there was no fraud it looks like the democrats would be pushing to
have the votes recounted or what ever it takes to prove the republicans
were just crying foul.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's up to
those claiming fraud to prove it.

And recounts happened in pretty much every swing state at the
insistance of the GOP, which, in conjunction with the 59 court
case dismissals for lack of evidence, conclusively proved that
the GOP was "just crying foul".

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 03:39:53 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

03:39??? Is it that time of the night again, senile troll?

--
Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
"**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
MID:

On 4/2/2021 12:58 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ralph Mowery writes:
In article , says...

As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?



If there was no fraud it looks like the democrats would be pushing to
have the votes recounted or what ever it takes to prove the republicans
were just crying foul.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's up to
those claiming fraud to prove it.

And recounts happened in pretty much every swing state at the
insistance of the GOP, which, in conjunction with the 59 court
case dismissals for lack of evidence, conclusively proved that
the GOP was "just crying foul".


Supreme court under Roberts was gutless in not accepting case on their
merit. He was afraid overturning elections would cause riots. In this
case the terrorists won.

You are witless if you did not see the fraud.

Frank "frank writes:
On 4/2/2021 12:58 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ralph Mowery writes:
In article , says...

As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?



If there was no fraud it looks like the democrats would be pushing to
have the votes recounted or what ever it takes to prove the republicans
were just crying foul.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's up to
those claiming fraud to prove it.

And recounts happened in pretty much every swing state at the
insistance of the GOP, which, in conjunction with the 59 court
case dismissals for lack of evidence, conclusively proved that
the GOP was "just crying foul".


Supreme court under Roberts was gutless in not accepting case on their
merit. He was afraid overturning elections would cause riots. In this
case the terrorists won.

Where do you get such ridiculous nonsense?

Give up, you lost. fair and square.

On 4/2/2021 11:38 AM, Hal Bundy wrote:


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html


There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?


There was massive fraud.Â* The mistake the Republicans made was assuming
the federal government would investigate it.Â* For whatever reason, the
feds chose to ignore the evidence.

But now the states and private individuals are stepping up to expose it.


Yeah, sure. Looks like statistical BS to me. So far, no real evidence
has been taken to the courts with the Trump appointed judges.

Facts. Show the FACTS.

On 4/2/2021 1:36 PM, Frank wrote:
On 4/2/2021 12:58 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ralph Mowery writes:
In article , says...

As a counterpoint,Â* This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html


There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?



If there was no fraud it looks like the democrats would be pushing to
have the votes recounted or what ever it takes to prove the republicans
were just crying foul.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.Â* It's up to
those claiming fraud to prove it.

And recounts happened in pretty much every swing state at the
insistance of the GOP, which, in conjunction with the 59 court
case dismissals for lack of evidence, conclusively proved that
the GOP was "just crying foul".


Supreme court under Roberts was gutless in not accepting case on their
merit.Â* He was afraid overturning elections would cause riots.Â* In this
case the terrorists won.

You are witless if you did not see the fraud.


None of the Trump appointed judges saw it. How many cases tossed out?
ALL of them. The New York shyster sowed the seed a long time ago and
they sprouted in some brains.

On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 23:39:54 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?

I think that gets around bribing voters. It might be a $1 bottle of
water but they might also be giving out sandwiches and beer.
Why not throw in a pack of cigarettes, then you are Chicago.

I know as a state inspector I was not allowed to take a bottle of
water, cup of coffee or any food from someone who's job I was
inspecting.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 02:14:58 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:43:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

Can anybody explain to me why mail-in voting and ballot drop boxes were lauded
by Georgia Republicans in 2016 but now they're a big damned problem?

Cindy Hamilton

My only problem with mail in, is vote harvesting. If a campaign worker
can hover over a person filling out a ballot and then carry it in,
there is plenty of opportunity for fraud.
They can coach the vote they want and lose the ballot if it isn't the
way they like it.
The reality is all of this only counts if the vote is close. Most are
a landslide in any given race at the state level so a few hundred or
even several thousand ballots don't really matter that much. I did
live in Florida in 2000 tho. 300 ballots would have flipped that race,
nationwide, if they went the other way.
In a local government race 300 vote margins often decide the election.

On Fri, 02 Apr 2021 20:17:48 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Give up, you lost. fair and square.

I agree with that My candidate lost by over 145 million votes ;-)

On 4/5/2021 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 23:39:54 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?

I think that gets around bribing voters. It might be a $1 bottle of
water but they might also be giving out sandwiches and beer.
Why not throw in a pack of cigarettes, then you are Chicago.

I know as a state inspector I was not allowed to take a bottle of
water, cup of coffee or any food from someone who's job I was
inspecting.


As I understand it, the rule prohibits political parties from handing
out food. I can agree with that. If, however the Girl Scouts or some
school activity group wants to do a community help project it would be
allowed.

As for your inspector requirements, that is understandable. My mother
took care of the inspectors when they came to one of my step father's
jobs. She would never offer anything but the plain white envelope on
the table would be gone when the inspector left.

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 22:46:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/5/2021 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 23:39:54 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?

I think that gets around bribing voters. It might be a $1 bottle of
water but they might also be giving out sandwiches and beer.
Why not throw in a pack of cigarettes, then you are Chicago.

I know as a state inspector I was not allowed to take a bottle of
water, cup of coffee or any food from someone who's job I was
inspecting.


As I understand it, the rule prohibits political parties from handing
out food. I can agree with that. If, however the Girl Scouts or some
school activity group wants to do a community help project it would be
allowed.

As for your inspector requirements, that is understandable. My mother
took care of the inspectors when they came to one of my step father's
jobs. She would never offer anything but the plain white envelope on
the table would be gone when the inspector left.

That was the kind of things that were going on in Dade county that got
the whole inspector business and building business in general,
tightened up in the early 90s. After Andrew they were finding whole
roofs laying in the road in spite of the toughest building code in the
country.
No straps on the trusses, a dozen nails in the sheathing, shingles
tacked on with a couple of staples and $35k a year inspectors driving
Benzes and 48 foot fishing boats.
The whole thing got shaken up, state wide. There is now a unified
building code, state wide, no local exceptions or rules. Everyone is
licensed and there are certifications. (Required CEUs etc) They
started taking that "ethics" thing seriously and guys went to jail
(builders and inspectors).
By the time my wife got in the building biz in the late 90s, nobody
had even heard of an inspector being bribed.
The other side of that is they made it easier to sue builders, even if
they passed inspection. Gross negligence can be called fraud and can
get them jail time.

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/1/2021 10:43 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

That is correct. I have mentioned several times that I have gone to
vote at the polls in Delaware and once a neighbor and once a coworker
working the polls said, "Hi, Frank. I need to see some ID."

In GA I understand it is OK to bring food or drink or have it given by
poll workers but Black Panthers or MAGA hat wearers cannot do it.

Wow, the new stupid bill actually says BP or MAGA hat wearers, eh?
Funny, I don't hear that being reported, only that it's illegal for anyone other
than poll workers to give out water or food. Must be a real serious problem,
for republicans to give themselves another big black eye over this. Of course
we know the real reason is that it's still the effects of Trump having turned the
party into a stupid cult that believes an election was stolen. Now they are going
to "fix" it, by making it illegal to give a bottle of water to people standing in line
for hours to vote. Did you ever even hear about this being some kind of problem?
So glad I left the GOP three years ago. I see another shining example of the new
Trump GOP, Matt Gaetz, one of Trump's BFFs is now going down in a huge sex
scandal. He thought it was a great idea to go make illegal driver;s licenses at 3AM
in the DMV office with another FL politician who the FBI has busted.

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 11:38:26 AM UTC-4, Hal Bundy wrote:
On 4/2/2021 11:25 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dean Hoffman writes:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.
As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?
There was massive fraud. The mistake the Republicans made was assuming the federal government would investigate it. For whatever reason, the feds chose to ignore the evidence.

But now the states and private individuals are stepping up to expose it.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...the_fraud.html

Any investigating was not limited to the federal govt. Any state was free to investigate
and many did, like Georgia. They had the GA State Police investigate Rudy's lies and BS
and they, like the FBI, concluded that it was lies and BS, that there was no fraud that
could have changed the results. Also the federal govt investigators were under Bill Barr,
one of Trump's BFFs, a real Trump sycophant. They concluded there was no evidence
of fraud. But it's not over yet. I can't wait to see the trials of Rudy, Lindell, and Powell.
So far I see that Powell's defense is not that all she claimed about Dominion is true.
Instead the defense is what she said was just her opinion and nobody should have
believed it.

On 4/6/2021 12:25 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 22:46:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/5/2021 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 23:39:54 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?

I think that gets around bribing voters. It might be a $1 bottle of
water but they might also be giving out sandwiches and beer.
Why not throw in a pack of cigarettes, then you are Chicago.

I know as a state inspector I was not allowed to take a bottle of
water, cup of coffee or any food from someone who's job I was
inspecting.


As I understand it, the rule prohibits political parties from handing
out food. I can agree with that. If, however the Girl Scouts or some
school activity group wants to do a community help project it would be
allowed.

As for your inspector requirements, that is understandable. My mother
took care of the inspectors when they came to one of my step father's
jobs. She would never offer anything but the plain white envelope on
the table would be gone when the inspector left.

That was the kind of things that were going on in Dade county that got
the whole inspector business and building business in general,
tightened up in the early 90s. After Andrew they were finding whole
roofs laying in the road in spite of the toughest building code in the
country.
No straps on the trusses, a dozen nails in the sheathing, shingles
tacked on with a couple of staples and $35k a year inspectors driving
Benzes and 48 foot fishing boats.
The whole thing got shaken up, state wide. There is now a unified
building code, state wide, no local exceptions or rules. Everyone is
licensed and there are certifications. (Required CEUs etc) They
started taking that "ethics" thing seriously and guys went to jail
(builders and inspectors).
By the time my wife got in the building biz in the late 90s, nobody
had even heard of an inspector being bribed.
The other side of that is they made it easier to sue builders, even if
they passed inspection. Gross negligence can be called fraud and can
get them jail time.


This was in a big city and "tipping" was expected no matter how good
the work

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 12:16:05 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/2/2021 11:38 AM, Hal Bundy wrote:
On 4/2/2021 11:25 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dean Hoffman writes:
I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to
Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with
full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter
position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/

There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President.
He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more
restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.
As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html


There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?


There was massive fraud. The mistake the Republicans made was assuming
the federal government would investigate it. For whatever reason, the
feds chose to ignore the evidence.

But now the states and private individuals are stepping up to expose it.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...the_fraud.html
es,




Yeah, Pillow Mike will get this straightened out! He says Trump takes
office in August.

Yes I saw that too! What a moron. He really is Qanon crazy. Maybe he can use
that as defense, like Powell. She says that what she claimed about Dominion,
all the conspiracy claims, rigged machines, corruption, was just her opinion and
no reasonable persons would have believed it. The insurrectionists at the Capitol,
with six dead, they believed it.

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:36:52 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/2/2021 12:58 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ralph Mowery writes:
In article , says...

As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?



If there was no fraud it looks like the democrats would be pushing to
have the votes recounted or what ever it takes to prove the republicans
were just crying foul.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's up to
those claiming fraud to prove it.

And recounts happened in pretty much every swing state at the
insistance of the GOP, which, in conjunction with the 59 court
case dismissals for lack of evidence, conclusively proved that
the GOP was "just crying foul".

Supreme court under Roberts was gutless in not accepting case on their
merit. He was afraid overturning elections would cause riots. In this
case the terrorists won.

You are witless if you did not see the fraud.

AFAIK not a single case that reached the SC had anything to do with massive fraud
or even any fraud. It was the sore loser Trumpet minions complaining about the
rules of the election. Rules that were put in place BEFORE the election, when the
GOP had plenty of time to weigh in or bring court cases. But the rules were OK
until they lost. Only then
they went running to the SC, asking that all the legal votes of millions of voters in
entire states be tossed out because the state allowed two more days for mail-in
ballots to arrive. A difference that would not have changed the results anyway.

On 04/06/2021 07:23 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
This was in a big city and "tipping" was expected no matter how good the
work

When I went to the National Plastics Exposition at McCormick Place in
Chicago, my mentor explained to me how things worked. He had a pocketful
of $20 and $50's. If you wanted tables for your booth, you 'bought
coffee' for the table crew. Chairs? Another round of coffee for another
crew. Table coverings? More coffee. Booth Curtains? Electricians to hook
up your machinery? Lot of coffee.

Meanwhile the cops were outside. Some plastics equipment is pretty heavy
and unfortunately some of the trucks were a little overloaded or had
safety violations. Want your machinery out of impoundment before the
show was over?

The Exposition was moved to Florida a couple of years later. There may
be crooks in Florida but Chicago specializes in corruption.

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 10:46:54 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/5/2021 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 23:39:54 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?

I think that gets around bribing voters. It might be a $1 bottle of
water but they might also be giving out sandwiches and beer.
Why not throw in a pack of cigarettes, then you are Chicago.

I know as a state inspector I was not allowed to take a bottle of
water, cup of coffee or any food from someone who's job I was
inspecting.

As I understand it, the rule prohibits political parties from handing
out food. I can agree with that. If, however the Girl Scouts or some
school activity group wants to do a community help project it would be
allowed.



Except that's not what the law says:

"(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any

person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give,

or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and

drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any

person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables

or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast

(1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is
established;

(2) Within any polling place; or

(3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place."


So the Girl Scouts would be committing a crime. As would a restaurant that gave
out free food. I saw one doing exactly that in NYC when they had long lines there
last year, they were handing out burritos or similar. Imagine the massive fraud that caused.

On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 07:39:13 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

When I went to the National Plastics Exposition at McCormick Place in
Chicago, my mentor explained to me how things worked.

Oh, no! FLUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 12:36:42 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

As a counterpoint, This article actually shows the text of the
law and describes exactly how it disenfranchises voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/u...annotated.html

There was no fraud and the republicans have admitted outright they must
prevent legitimate voters from being able to vote in order to win an
election.

How is this not anti-american?


If there was no fraud it looks like the democrats would be pushing to
have the votes recounted or what ever it takes to prove the republicans
were just crying foul.

The votes were counted and counted and counted again in most or all of
the swing states that where the Trumpets claimed there was massive fraud.
The problem is the Trumpets just refuse to accept it.

And now they are still on the Trump crazy train. Republicans think the important
issue of the day is making it illegal to hand out water to people standing in line
waiting, sometimes for hours, to vote. Meanwhile the Democrats are focusing
on Covid relief and infrastructure. Come election day 2022, would you rather run
as the party that made it illegal to hand out water to voters or the party that got
the economy going, rebuilt roads and bridges? And note I'm not saying that spending
all that money is the right thing to do when we don't have it. Just that Republicans
are once again focused on stupid. And then when it blows up, when they get the
totally foreseeable black eye, then they lie. Like going on TV and denying that they
did in fact just make it illegal for citizens to handout water to voters in line. It's
beyond stupid politically, but it appeals to the Trump cult. We'll see how that
works out.

On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 09:23:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/6/2021 12:25 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 22:46:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/5/2021 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 23:39:54 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

I've been seeing a lot lately about how terrible the changes to Georgia's voting laws are. It's sure easy to see how people with full schedules can be misled about such things. This is the counter position.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/georgia-should-stand-up-to-corporate-bullies/
There was some Georgia official on tv chewing out the President. He claimed the President's home state of Delaware has more restrictive voting laws than Georgia's new ones.

I plan to read your link, but in case I don't, the NPR story on this
said there was good and bad. I don't remember if they gave a ratio.

One thing bound to get much attention is the rule against giving food or
water to someone waiting in line to vote. That seems rather
indefensible, but maybe there is more to it?

I think that gets around bribing voters. It might be a $1 bottle of
water but they might also be giving out sandwiches and beer.
Why not throw in a pack of cigarettes, then you are Chicago.

I know as a state inspector I was not allowed to take a bottle of
water, cup of coffee or any food from someone who's job I was
inspecting.


As I understand it, the rule prohibits political parties from handing
out food. I can agree with that. If, however the Girl Scouts or some
school activity group wants to do a community help project it would be
allowed.

As for your inspector requirements, that is understandable. My mother
took care of the inspectors when they came to one of my step father's
jobs. She would never offer anything but the plain white envelope on
the table would be gone when the inspector left.

That was the kind of things that were going on in Dade county that got
the whole inspector business and building business in general,
tightened up in the early 90s. After Andrew they were finding whole
roofs laying in the road in spite of the toughest building code in the
country.
No straps on the trusses, a dozen nails in the sheathing, shingles
tacked on with a couple of staples and $35k a year inspectors driving
Benzes and 48 foot fishing boats.
The whole thing got shaken up, state wide. There is now a unified
building code, state wide, no local exceptions or rules. Everyone is
licensed and there are certifications. (Required CEUs etc) They
started taking that "ethics" thing seriously and guys went to jail
(builders and inspectors).
By the time my wife got in the building biz in the late 90s, nobody
had even heard of an inspector being bribed.
The other side of that is they made it easier to sue builders, even if
they passed inspection. Gross negligence can be called fraud and can
get them jail time.


This was in a big city and "tipping" was expected no matter how good
the work

Miami/Dade is just the southern annex of NY/NJ anyway. I guess they
brought their bad habits with them.
The Cubans actually improved the place.

On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 07:39:13 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 04/06/2021 07:23 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
This was in a big city and "tipping" was expected no matter how good the
work

When I went to the National Plastics Exposition at McCormick Place in
Chicago, my mentor explained to me how things worked. He had a pocketful
of $20 and $50's. If you wanted tables for your booth, you 'bought
coffee' for the table crew. Chairs? Another round of coffee for another
crew. Table coverings? More coffee. Booth Curtains? Electricians to hook
up your machinery? Lot of coffee.

Meanwhile the cops were outside. Some plastics equipment is pretty heavy
and unfortunately some of the trucks were a little overloaded or had
safety violations. Want your machinery out of impoundment before the
show was over?

The Exposition was moved to Florida a couple of years later. There may
be crooks in Florida but Chicago specializes in corruption.

The unions in Chicago hold their own brand of power. I was working 3d
shift at the education center and we heard they wanted to move 3
machines. This is something all of us did on a regular basis so we
just grabbed screwdrivers and started unhooking cables. The instructor
came in and lost his mind. In Chicago, you are not allowed to touch a
piece of wire, not even IBM machine cables in an IBM facility. We had
to wait for THREE union electricians to come unhook, drag and hook the
cables back up. We rolled the machines ourselves but there was a
little debate about whether we needed to get Teamsters to do it.
Of course they hooked them up wrong and we had to redo it, repairing
one they screwed up but they stood around on the clock watching until
we were powered back up.
I think it has relaxed a little but Chicago was famous for not
allowing any cable wiring method for years. Everything had to be wire
in metal pipe, even residential. That also assured IBEW plenty of
extra work.