Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?

Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done. I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.

So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...

I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?

--
Cheers, Bev
I'd rather not have neighbors. If I can see them, they're too close.
In fact, if I can see them through a rifle scope, they're too close.
-- Anonymous Coward

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 1:21:16 AM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote:
Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?

You fill the sink to wash dishes? Get a dish pan (or better yet, a dishwasher).

Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done. I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.

Perhaps not. Manufacturers tend to prefer to make one design, so
we all suffer when Kalifornia runs out of water. I just checked Amazon
(I'm in Michigan, where the concept of wasting water is pretty much a
puppet show) and the first Peerless I found said "CA Prop 65 Compliant".

So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...

It probably depends on the particular design of the faucet.

I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?

Actually, I do just stand there and watch a faucet run water down the drain,
while I'm waiting for the hot water to arrive.

Don't get us started on the CARB gas cans.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 22:21:08 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:

Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?
Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done. I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.
So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...
I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?


Did you consider that you might rather place an Amazon order
for the proper faucet ... ? Rather than blame the state government
for your stupidity ?
John T.

On 3/6/21 1:21 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice shiny new* Peerless from Amazon.* The problem is that due to Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink
to wash dishes.* WHO KNEW?


So you don't like the water-saver choices the democrat overlords forced on you? This is yet another example of "rules for thee but not for me."

I guarantee that there is more than one democrap politician that showers under a custom-built shower system that flows 10 GPM.



Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done.* I suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an innocent bystander.

So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it REASONABLE?* The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...


In the early days, the fix was as simple as removing a restriction plate in the aerator but I suspect most have buried the restriction in the cartridge or inlet tubes by now.* If there's not a youtube "repair" video, you'll just have to tear it apart to see.



I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands there and watches a faucet run water down the drain.* What were those assholes thinking?


If you are looking for logic from the democrat's rules, you won't find it.

FWIW, I used to drive by democrat Senator Pocketstuffer's house on the way to work.* His lawn sprinkler system was probably wasting 50 GPM so his lawn would be green.

On 3/6/2021 5:23 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 22:21:08 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:

Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?
Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done. I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.
So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...
I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?


Did you consider that you might rather place an Amazon order
for the proper faucet ... ? Rather than blame the state government
for your stupidity ?
John T.


I suspect Amazon will only ship California compliant faucets to
California. I once bought a transformer type toy from Amazon for a
friend in the UK's son because they would not ship it too the UK.

I recall years ago people buying toilets in Canada when only low flow
became available here.

On 3/6/2021 4:15 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 1:21:16 AM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote:
Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?

You fill the sink to wash dishes? Get a dish pan (or better yet, a dishwasher).

Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done. I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.

Perhaps not. Manufacturers tend to prefer to make one design, so
we all suffer when Kalifornia runs out of water. I just checked Amazon
(I'm in Michigan, where the concept of wasting water is pretty much a
puppet show) and the first Peerless I found said "CA Prop 65 Compliant".

So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...

It probably depends on the particular design of the faucet.

I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?

Actually, I do just stand there and watch a faucet run water down the drain,
while I'm waiting for the hot water to arrive.

Don't get us started on the CARB gas cans.

Cindy Hamilton


Have you considered running that water into a container and using it
to water your house plants ? If it takes more than ten seconds to get
hot water , you need a point of use heater to supplement the main unit -
we did this because the run to the kitchen sink was taking too long to
get hot water to the dishwasher , plus that water wasn't hot enough when
it got there .
As far as the new gas cans go , I found a design that has a
telescoping spout , the tip is in the tank neck before the gas flows . I
did remove the "safety latch" ...
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 8:18:31 AM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
On 3/6/2021 4:15 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 1:21:16 AM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote:
Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?

You fill the sink to wash dishes? Get a dish pan (or better yet, a dishwasher).

Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done. I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.

Perhaps not. Manufacturers tend to prefer to make one design, so
we all suffer when Kalifornia runs out of water. I just checked Amazon
(I'm in Michigan, where the concept of wasting water is pretty much a
puppet show) and the first Peerless I found said "CA Prop 65 Compliant".

So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...

It probably depends on the particular design of the faucet.

I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?

Actually, I do just stand there and watch a faucet run water down the drain,
while I'm waiting for the hot water to arrive.

Don't get us started on the CARB gas cans.

Cindy Hamilton

Have you considered running that water into a container and using it
to water your house plants ? If it takes more than ten seconds to get
hot water , you need a point of use heater to supplement the main unit -

No, I don't. Water is cheaper than electricity here. Gas-heated water
is cheaper than electricity-heated water.

I don't always just stand there and let it run down the drain. If there's
something useful that cold-ish water can do, I use it.

we did this because the run to the kitchen sink was taking too long to
get hot water to the dishwasher , plus that water wasn't hot enough when
it got there .

Our water is plenty hot when it gets there. I measured it at 140 F one day.
I just temped the cold water coming out of the spout. 53 F. It's warmer
in the summer.

As far as the new gas cans go , I found a design that has a
telescoping spout , the tip is in the tank neck before the gas flows . I
did remove the "safety latch" ...

My husband is pretty inventive about defeating those features, too.

In article , says...

Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?



California laws are screwing up the country. YOu might try unscrewing
the aireator at the end of the faucet and seeing if there is anything
there to restrict the flow.

I have spilled more gas trying to fill the small engines with the new
tanks than I ever did before.
Started ordering some 'water tank replacement spouts' from ebay to put
on my tanks.

Ralph Mowery wrote:

California laws are screwing up the country. YOu might try unscrewing
the aireator at the end of the faucet and seeing if there is anything
there to restrict the flow.

In the early days of low flow faucets, the fixture manufacturers put a flow
restrictor disc in the shower head or fixture connector that was easy to remove.
Nowdays, most of the fixtures are designed end to end to limit the amount of
water that will pass. For a while it was possible to order high flow fixtures
from Canada, but I haven't checked lately to see if that was still possible.

It still annoys me to see these massive shower heads in the fixture aisle
knowing that they don't provide any decent water flow.

--
Usenet: The world's first (and best) social network.

Ralph Mowery wrote:

I have spilled more gas trying to fill the small engines with the new
tanks than I ever did before.
Started ordering some 'water tank replacement spouts' from ebay to put
on my tanks.

Same here. The latest pushbutton style spouts are insane. I expect the CARB
Commandants will soon decree non-removable/unique thread spouts at some point in
the near future.

--
Usenet: The world's first (and best) social network.

On 3/6/2021 1:21 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new* Peerless from Amazon.* The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes.* WHO
KNEW?

Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done.* I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.

All of us have the flow restrictions. In some, it is a matter of taking
out a plastic disc restrictor.

An alternative is a Kohler that has a button you can hold to increase
flow when filling but goes back to low flow when you leave it running
for rinsing or for no use because people can be wasteful and leave them
run.

Now that you kow other types exist you can be a smarter shopper.

"Frank" "frank wrote in message
...
On 3/6/2021 5:23 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 22:21:08 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:

Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?
Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done. I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.
So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal
difficulties...
I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?


Did you consider that you might rather place an Amazon order
for the proper faucet ... ? Rather than blame the state government
for your stupidity ?

I suspect Amazon will only ship California compliant faucets to
California.

Bet they do.

I once bought a transformer type toy from Amazon for a friend in the UK's
son because they would not ship it too the UK.

We have a similar problem here no, in Australia. The european
amazons used to ship stuff here but now only amazon.com does.
But that is due to another reason, my country now requires
major retailers to charge, collect and remit our VAT tax which
we call the GST and amazon only bothers to do that with
amazon.com and amazon.com.au, not the rest of the amazons.

I recall years ago people buying toilets in Canada when only low flow
became available here.

I bet you still can even with amazon.

On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 03:33:58 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On 3/6/2021 10:35 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?



California laws are screwing up the country. YOu might try unscrewing
the aireator at the end of the faucet and seeing if there is anything
there to restrict the flow.

I have spilled more gas trying to fill the small engines with the new
tanks than I ever did before.
Started ordering some 'water tank replacement spouts' from ebay to put
on my tanks.



That would be the first thing to try. It might be as simple as a washer
put in to restrict flow or in the aerator itself. Hard to believe
manufacturer would re-engineer the faucet just for California.

In article , says...

An alternative is a Kohler that has a button you can hold to increase
flow when filling but goes back to low flow when you leave it running
for rinsing or for no use because people can be wasteful and leave them
run.




About as uselsess as the button on some riding lawn mowers. You press
that button to keep the blades running while baking up or the engine
stops. ONe I bought a few years ago had a position on the switch that
let you defeat that button. One the newer one I bought, I just put a
wire around the contacts of it.

On 03/06/2021 03:15 AM, wrote:
Don't get us started on the CARB gas cans.

May the asshole who designed those die a slow and painful death after
trying to fill a lawnmower. Luckily the ranch supply has a kit
supposedly to be used to repair older cans. It fits fine.

CostCo gas isn't that much of a saving and they recently installed
Kalifornia Approved Donkey Dick nozzles. I'll pay a couple of cents a
gallon more to not have to deal with those. They really suck when you're
trying to gas up a bike.

On 03/06/2021 03:23 AM, wrote:
Did you consider that you might rather place an Amazon order
for the proper faucet ... ? Rather than blame the state government
for your stupidity ?

You're assuming 49 state models exist.

On 03/06/2021 02:23 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 22:21:08 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:
....
So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...
I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?

Did you consider that you might rather place an Amazon order
for the proper faucet ... ? Rather than blame the state government
for your stupidity ?

It turns out that it's a federal requirement since 199x. Who knew? I
knew about shower heads, but FAUCETS?

--
Cheers, Bev
"Attention: All virgins report to Paradise immediately!!
This is not a drill." --MWilliams

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 05:46:39 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 8:18:31 AM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
On 3/6/2021 4:15 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 1:21:16 AM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote:
Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?

You fill the sink to wash dishes? Get a dish pan (or better yet, a dishwasher).

Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done. I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.

Perhaps not. Manufacturers tend to prefer to make one design, so
we all suffer when Kalifornia runs out of water. I just checked Amazon
(I'm in Michigan, where the concept of wasting water is pretty much a
puppet show) and the first Peerless I found said "CA Prop 65 Compliant".

So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...

It probably depends on the particular design of the faucet.

I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?

Actually, I do just stand there and watch a faucet run water down the drain,
while I'm waiting for the hot water to arrive.

Don't get us started on the CARB gas cans.

Cindy Hamilton

Have you considered running that water into a container and using it
to water your house plants ? If it takes more than ten seconds to get
hot water , you need a point of use heater to supplement the main unit -

No, I don't. Water is cheaper than electricity here. Gas-heated water
is cheaper than electricity-heated water.

I don't always just stand there and let it run down the drain. If there's
something useful that cold-ish water can do, I use it.

we did this because the run to the kitchen sink was taking too long to
get hot water to the dishwasher , plus that water wasn't hot enough when
it got there .

Our water is plenty hot when it gets there. I measured it at 140 F one day.
I just temped the cold water coming out of the spout. 53 F. It's warmer
in the summer.

As far as the new gas cans go , I found a design that has a
telescoping spout , the tip is in the tank neck before the gas flows . I
did remove the "safety latch" ...

My husband is pretty inventive about defeating those features, too.

I take the spout off and use a big funnel when I am filling my boat. I
can dump in five gallons in 30 seconds or so. I do still have a few
of those old style spouts tho for mowers and such.

On 03/06/2021 05:38 AM, jimmy wrote:
So you don't like the water-saver choices the democrat overlords forced
on you? This is yet another example of "rules for thee but not for me."

I guarantee that there is more than one democrap politician that showers
under a custom-built shower system that flows 10 GPM.

A couple of years ago I stayed at an older motel in Grand Coulee. It was
slanted toward fishermen with a cleaning station outside of the cabins.
The shower was like standing under a comfortably hot firehose. The cabin
had a nice little kitchen too. I was thinking about moving in.

On 03/06/2021 08:58 AM, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
It still annoys me to see these massive shower heads in the fixture aisle
knowing that they don't provide any decent water flow.

When the electric co-op sent a big box of assorted CFLs I used them. A
few years later they send LED lights. I used them. When they sent the
huge 2 gpm shower heads I ignored them. I wonder if could adapt them to
the garden hose for lightly watering plants?

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:35:57 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?



California laws are screwing up the country. YOu might try unscrewing
the aireator at the end of the faucet and seeing if there is anything
there to restrict the flow.

Most of they water savers do the restricting in the cartridge. Price
****er sent me an "experimental" cartridge with slightly bigger holes
when I complained and it helped a little. The problem is they are
rated 3 GPM at 80 PSI and a lot of people don't have that much water
pressure. I looked at the fire sprinkler system at the tire store the
other day, fed straight from the water main and it had 55 PSI. My well
pump switch is set 30-50. That is usually about all you get out of
them. A brand new pump might get 60+ but as they age, 50 is about it.

On 03/06/2021 04:53 AM, Frank wrote:
On 3/6/2021 5:23 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 22:21:08 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:

Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?
Local plumbing supply place said there was nothing to be done. I
suppose I could return it and get an out-of-state friend to order a
NORMAL one and then send it to us, but that's laying the problem on an
innocent bystander.
So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...
I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?

Did you consider that you might rather place an Amazon order
for the proper faucet ... ? Rather than blame the state government
for your stupidity ?
John T.

Thanks for your help, John, it's much appreciated. I myself have
offered similar assistance to others, with equivalent gratitude.

I suspect Amazon will only ship California compliant faucets to
California. I once bought a transformer type toy from Amazon for a
friend in the UK's son because they would not ship it too the UK.

I corresponded with Peerless customer support for a while. He seemed to
think that if I ordered from Texas I would get a different faucet, but
wouldn't tell me the stock number. If this is a national requirement,
the ******* was clearly lying to me.

I recall years ago people buying toilets in Canada when only low flow
became available here.

Dave Barry had a thing about a gang of vicious Canadian toilet smugglers.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Attention: All virgins report to Paradise immediately!!
This is not a drill." --MWilliams

On 03/06/2021 10:02 AM, Frank wrote:
That would be the first thing to try. It might be as simple as a washer
put in to restrict flow or in the aerator itself. Hard to believe
manufacturer would re-engineer the faucet just for California.

They've re-engineered cars to meet California's whims..

I ordered some magazine from a company in California, both 10 round and
16 round models. The 10's were shipped from LA, the 16's from Las Vegas.
Apparently they have a Nevada warehouse for the good stuff.

On 03/06/2021 09:02 AM, Frank wrote:
On 3/6/2021 10:35 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?

California laws are screwing up the country. YOu might try unscrewing
the aireator at the end of the faucet and seeing if there is anything
there to restrict the flow.

I really want Kalifornia to have far less influence over national
policy. Inmates running the asylum, etc. You non-Kalifornians think
it's bad? It's WAY WORSE from inside!

I have spilled more gas trying to fill the small engines with the new
tanks than I ever did before.
Started ordering some 'water tank replacement spouts' from ebay to put
on my tanks.

That would be the first thing to try. It might be as simple as a washer
put in to restrict flow or in the aerator itself. Hard to believe
manufacturer would re-engineer the faucet just for California.

Took the aerator entirely off. Minor improvement in flow, but
significant loss of the water contained in the high-arch spigot which I
thought would be better than the normal horizontal one. The aerator
keeps that from happening (magic?) so I put it back.

It's really annoying how many on-line 'help' functions seem to blame
clogs in the line rather than the deliberate restriction.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Attention: All virgins report to Paradise immediately!!
This is not a drill." --MWilliams

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:28:11 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


May the asshole who designed those die a slow and painful death after
trying to fill a lawnmower. Luckily the ranch supply has a kit
supposedly to be used to repair older cans. It fits fine.

CostCo gas isn't that much of a saving and they recently installed
Kalifornia Approved Donkey Dick nozzles. I'll pay a couple of cents a
gallon more to not have to deal with those. They really suck when you're
trying to gas up a bike.

You really have no one in RL to talk to, eh, senile gossip? G

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:36:44 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


A couple of years ago I stayed at an older motel in Grand Coulee........

Oh, ****! He does it again! tsk

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:40:23 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


When the electric co-op sent a big box of assorted CFLs I used them. A
few years later they send LED lights. I used them. When they sent the
huge 2 gpm shower heads I ignored them.

Wow! That's some dramatic (albeit senile) story again! BG

On 03/06/2021 09:26 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

An alternative is a Kohler that has a button you can hold to increase
flow when filling but goes back to low flow when you leave it running
for rinsing or for no use because people can be wasteful and leave them
run.

About as uselsess as the button on some riding lawn mowers. You press
that button to keep the blades running while baking up or the engine
stops. ONe I bought a few years ago had a position on the switch that
let you defeat that button. One the newer one I bought, I just put a
wire around the contacts of it.

Equivalent button on electric hedge-trimmers. I wedged a little piece
of wood into something to keep it pushed. Damn thing is sufficiently
exhausting to use without having to hold it in a special way.

Regulators really have no idea about how the stuff they regulate works.
No, that's wrong -- they probably understand but just have priorities
other than the interests of their subjects.

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On 03/06/2021 09:44 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/06/2021 10:02 AM, Frank wrote:
That would be the first thing to try. It might be as simple as a washer
put in to restrict flow or in the aerator itself. Hard to believe
manufacturer would re-engineer the faucet just for California.

They've re-engineered cars to meet California's whims..

If only we and our friends and relatives had pooled our money back in
the 60s and bought a compound somewhere outside California. There would
have been problems, of course...

I ordered some magazine from a company in California, both 10 round and
16 round models. The 10's were shipped from LA, the 16's from Las Vegas.
Apparently they have a Nevada warehouse for the good stuff.

I hope you used an alias here. The DemBots apparently work quite well...

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On 03/06/2021 09:36 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/06/2021 05:38 AM, jimmy wrote:
So you don't like the water-saver choices the democrat overlords forced
on you? This is yet another example of "rules for thee but not for me."

I guarantee that there is more than one democrap politician that showers
under a custom-built shower system that flows 10 GPM.

A couple of years ago I stayed at an older motel in Grand Coulee. It was
slanted toward fishermen with a cleaning station outside of the cabins.
The shower was like standing under a comfortably hot firehose. The cabin
had a nice little kitchen too. I was thinking about moving in.

My grandson bought some nifty showerheads at Sharper Image when he
worked there. The did some magical thing that blasted out water but
used very little. Saved water with no downside. I wish they'd taken
them when they moved...

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Politicians are stupid like cats are stupid.

In article , says...

Regulators really have no idea about how the stuff they regulate works.
No, that's wrong -- they probably understand but just have priorities
other than the interests of their subjects.




I doubt that most of the regulators even use most of the stuff they
regulate. How many of the congress actually mow their own grass or do
much around their own house ? Bet things would change for the better if
the congress people would have to do the up keep of the White house and
state congress buildings.

[snippeth]

Regulators really have no idea about how the stuff they regulate works.

I doubt that most of the regulators even use most of the stuff they
regulate. How many of the congress actually mow their own grass or do
much around their own house ? Bet things would change for the better if
the congress people would have to do the up keep of the White house and
state congress buildings.

One of the great things Michael Moore did (yeah, I know there
are plenty of ugly ones...) was that he had a show called,
umm, something or another.

One of the segments was his "corporate challenge".

He'd pull up in front of a CEO's (or other Big Boss's)
home and challenge... the boss to actually work with
one of his company's products - basically to show that
he knew what the company actually made and did.

In one episode, he was in a Ford exec's driveway, and
the guy said, "sure", came out, and changed the oil.

And that, children, is why Ford didn't go bankrupt
back in 2008.



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"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

Regulators really have no idea about how the stuff they regulate works.
No, that's wrong -- they probably understand but just have priorities
other than the interests of their subjects.

I doubt that most of the regulators even use most of the stuff they
regulate.

Bit hard to avoid using showers, faucets, cars etc.

How many of the congress actually mow their own grass or
do much around their own house ? Bet things would change
for the better if the congress people would have to do the
up keep of the White house and state congress buildings.

They havent with showers, faucets, cars, flying etc.

On 3/6/2021 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:35:57 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Finally replaced our ancient wall-mounted kitchen faucet with a nice
shiny new Peerless from Amazon. The problem is that due to
Kalifornia's water-saving requirements it takes half a minute to fill
the coffeepot and several minutes to fill the sink to wash dishes. WHO
KNEW?



California laws are screwing up the country. YOu might try unscrewing
the aireator at the end of the faucet and seeing if there is anything
there to restrict the flow.

Most of they water savers do the restricting in the cartridge. Price
****er sent me an "experimental" cartridge with slightly bigger holes
when I complained and it helped a little. The problem is they are
rated 3 GPM at 80 PSI and a lot of people don't have that much water
pressure. I looked at the fire sprinkler system at the tire store the
other day, fed straight from the water main and it had 55 PSI. My well
pump switch is set 30-50. That is usually about all you get out of
them. A brand new pump might get 60+ but as they age, 50 is about it.


Thread prompted me to go to the basement and look at a Moen cartridge
and it would be tough to enlarge holes. My well pump tank was
registering 50 but I think it goes 10 lb higher although it goes lower
before pump kicks back on.

On 3/6/2021 1:04 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

Regulators really have no idea about how the stuff they regulate works.
No, that's wrong -- they probably understand but just have priorities
other than the interests of their subjects.




I doubt that most of the regulators even use most of the stuff they
regulate. How many of the congress actually mow their own grass or do
much around their own house ? Bet things would change for the better if
the congress people would have to do the up keep of the White house and
state congress buildings.



One of my pet peeves is that technology should not be regulated by
government and left to the marketplace.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 09:34:46 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:

On 03/06/2021 02:23 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 22:21:08 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:
...
So does anyone know how to tweak a low-flow faucet to make it
REASONABLE? The plumbing guy might be worrying about legal difficulties...
I can understand doing this to shower heads, but NOBODY just stands
there and watches a faucet run water down the drain. What were those
assholes thinking?

Did you consider that you might rather place an Amazon order
for the proper faucet ... ? Rather than blame the state government
for your stupidity ?

It turns out that it's a federal requirement since 199x. Who knew? I
knew about shower heads, but FAUCETS?


Yikes .. if your Feds get this involved in your lives -
California isn't really the problem !
Hope you find a DIY fix.
I'd start with the aerator and look for some restrictor that the
aerator screws into ..
John T.

On 3/6/2021 12:58 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 03/06/2021 09:36 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/06/2021 05:38 AM, jimmy wrote:
So you don't like the water-saver choices the democrat overlords forced
on you? This is yet another example of "rules for thee but not for me."

I guarantee that there is more than one democrap politician that showers
under a custom-built shower system that flows 10 GPM.

A couple of years ago I stayed at an older motel in Grand Coulee. It was
slanted toward fishermen with a cleaning station outside of the cabins.
The shower was like standing under a comfortably hot firehose. The cabin
had a nice little kitchen too. I was thinking about moving in.

My grandson bought some nifty showerheads at Sharper Image when he
worked there.* The did some magical thing that blasted out water but
used very little.* Saved water with no downside.* I wish they'd taken
them when they moved...


Filling a pot takes a given amount of water and you want it done
quickly. Taking a shower is less about volume, more about design to
make it feel good and rinse well.

Some years ago our town gave out low flow shower heads. It used about
half the water and was hesitant but figured I'd give it a try. Wow, it
felt much better than the old one and save water and the fuel to heat it.

On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 05:27:34 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 12:26:30 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

An alternative is a Kohler that has a button you can hold to increase
flow when filling but goes back to low flow when you leave it running
for rinsing or for no use because people can be wasteful and leave them
run.




About as uselsess as the button on some riding lawn mowers. You press
that button to keep the blades running while baking up or the engine
stops. ONe I bought a few years ago had a position on the switch that
let you defeat that button. One the newer one I bought, I just put a
wire around the contacts of it.

I unplugged the reverse switch. This Toro would shut off the engine if
you tried to back up with the PTO (blades) engaged. That didn't last
long. I also unplugged the head lights that were always on when the
mower was running. I am not mowing in the dark. I have enough trouble
keeping the battery charged without a chance of leaving the lights on.