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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down. Imagine that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn? Why do you just give up, accept
defeat? The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up. So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people, MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is
laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along.
That virus is still out there, just waiting until we open
up. The states you like to tout, are still locked down.

That is a bare faced lie with New Zealand, Taiwan, China and Korea.


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

Nope, quarantine.

What's the difference?
Oh I will tell you.
Under house arrest you can still have visitors, under quarantine, you
can't see anyone that you didn't bring with you.
If you are traveling alone, it is solitary confinement.

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:33:16 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down. Imagine that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn? Why do you just give up, accept
defeat? The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up. So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people, MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along.
That virus is still out there, just waiting until we open
up. The states you like to tout, are still locked down.

That is a bare faced lie with New Zealand, Taiwan, China and Korea.


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.


So don't go there if you don't like being responsible.
Fretwell doesn't have a clue about the difference between "locked
down" and "locked up". NZ is functioning virtually as normal EXCEPT
anybody landing on their shores gets "locked up" so the country
doesn't need to be "locked down". It is called preventative
quarantine.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:12:48 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:33:16 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down. Imagine that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn? Why do you just give up, accept
defeat? The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up. So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people, MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along.
That virus is still out there, just waiting until we open
up. The states you like to tout, are still locked down.

That is a bare faced lie with New Zealand, Taiwan, China and Korea.


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.


So don't go there if you don't like being responsible.
Fretwell doesn't have a clue about the difference between "locked
down" and "locked up". NZ is functioning virtually as normal EXCEPT
anybody landing on their shores gets "locked up" so the country
doesn't need to be "locked down". It is called preventative
quarantine.

That is also something that is not a viable option here.
They are trying it in Kentucky with ankle monitors but I doubt it will
survive the court challenge. Our quarantine law refers to "infection"
not simply "travel".

Ed says he is going to Jersey and he will quarantine ... with friends
who are not quarantining. Do you see the problem?
Of course that assumes he actually stays there and doesn't move around
and unless he drives or Scotty beams him up there, he will be leaving
a trail of infection in his wake. I wouldn't get on a plane these days
unless they could ship me in a plastic bubble.

On 7/21/2020 10:11 PM, wrote:


Ed says he is going to Jersey and he will quarantine ... with friends
who are not quarantining. Do you see the problem?
Of course that assumes he actually stays there and doesn't move around
and unless he drives or Scotty beams him up there, he will be leaving
a trail of infection in his wake. I wouldn't get on a plane these days
unless they could ship me in a plastic bubble.


Not quite the problem you see. She will be quarantined the entire time
I am their and then some. Worst case scenario she leaves to her other
house in a different state and will be alone there too. There was some
thought to this for that reason, it is a time that works for both of us
and can avoid others.

I won't fly either. Only time out of my car will be at a rest stop.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:16:41 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:32:23 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:50:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 10:11:24 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down.* Imagine that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn?* Why do you just give up, accept
defeat?* The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up.* So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people,* MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along. That virus is
still out there, just waiting until we open up. The states you like to
tout, are still locked down. I bet after watching Florida, New York
bars will be closed for a while.

Except of course that NY, NJ and CT are not locked down. Most businesses
have re-opened, outdoor dining is open, beaches are open, shopping malls
are open, barber/beauty shops are open. Where do you get your information from?

Are the bars open? Are the theaters open? Can you even sit inside a
restaurant?

The things that you mentioned probably didn't need to be closed in the
first place.


If they wanted to end up like Florida today. Is that working out great
for you?

It is working out OK for me. I am not in a make out bar trying to get
lucky.

No, you're just in CVS, Publix, and Lowe's, all of them about as risky as
anywhere else.

On 22/07/2020 01:15, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:30:39 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:58:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:13:03 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/20/2020 4:48 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:25:04 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:40:36 -0700, Bob F wrote:




And again, it is not about testing all the kids. It is about having an
adequate testing and tracking system on top of having controlled the
virus so that you can test and track and keep up with the virus. Europe
is doing that. China and Korea are, and many other countries are doing
that. But the Repubs have ignored, poo-pooed, and dismissed this very
basic process to stop covid.

If you put 1000 kids in a school and stir them up all day,

Strawman noted. And particularly
in the days of SARS-CoV-2, there will be social distancing
and masks for 3-12th graders, so contact tracing will be much
more practical than you think.

That is pretty hard to do with 30-40 kids in a crowded classroom or 75
kids on a bus. Once they get to 7th grade they are also going to
different classes 6 or 7 times a day, increasing the mix. You also
seem to have a lot more faith in the school's ability to enforce masks
and distancing. They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking
dope and having sex in the bathrooms.


It works in the other countries that have flattened (and in some
cases eliminated) the curve.


The cases were under control before the schools were opened.


And that is EXACTLY what trump is ordering states not to do.

Your knee is jerking again. I said Trump was wrong but you
automatically disagreed with me without even reading my post.
You folks are making excuses saying we could test and trace our way
out of this and it is ridiculous when we are seeing thousands of new
cases a day.

I's say it's more like you're just stuck in continual denial mode. Tracing
is being done effectively in NY, NJ, CT. It's being done successfully in
China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU, etc. It can be done in those places,
because they took the correct steps to put Covid down to low levels so
that tracing CAN BE DONE. Your state chose to listen to Trump and to fail.
Now, as we told you months ago, you're in flames, with 10K cases a day.
So, sure you can't do tracing now. You wasted 4 months of hardship.
Now instead of recognizing that, you want to pretend that it's something
else. Are you actually arguing that states like NY, NJ, CT should just
follow FL, TX, AZ over the cliff? Should EU and South Korea?

Lets see how you folks look when you open up places of assembly.
Florida was looking great when we stayed locked down.


Did they have test and trace fully working?

Does anyone? ... fully?


China.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:12:48 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:33:16 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
...
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down. Imagine that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn? Why do you just give up, accept
defeat? The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up. So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people, MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along.
That virus is still out there, just waiting until we open
up. The states you like to tout, are still locked down.

That is a bare faced lie with New Zealand, Taiwan, China and Korea.


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.


So don't go there if you don't like being responsible.
Fretwell doesn't have a clue about the difference between "locked
down" and "locked up". NZ is functioning virtually as normal EXCEPT
anybody landing on their shores gets "locked up" so the country
doesn't need to be "locked down". It is called preventative
quarantine.

When I saw "Fretwell doesn't have a clue about" I was wondering for a
second where you were going. There were so many options at that moment.

On 22/07/2020 02:03, Bob F wrote:
On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down.Â*Â* And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wallÂ* ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

It's worth showing what that report states, which is:

The United States and the European Union have comparable population
sizes, but the trajectories of their COVID-19 outbreaks have been vastly
different. Data recently released by the European Center for Disease
Control and Prevention shows that while there are around 4,000 new COVID
cases in the EU each day, the United States is now recording over 40,000
new cases of the virus each day.

I wonder if Muggles and Mr T bother to digest these facts.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:58:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/21/2020 10:11 PM, wrote:


Ed says he is going to Jersey and he will quarantine ... with friends
who are not quarantining. Do you see the problem?
Of course that assumes he actually stays there and doesn't move around
and unless he drives or Scotty beams him up there, he will be leaving
a trail of infection in his wake. I wouldn't get on a plane these days
unless they could ship me in a plastic bubble.


Not quite the problem you see. She will be quarantined the entire time
I am their and then some. Worst case scenario she leaves to her other
house in a different state and will be alone there too. There was some
thought to this for that reason, it is a time that works for both of us
and can avoid others.

I won't fly either. Only time out of my car will be at a rest stop.

Have a nice trip and be careful.

On 22/07/2020 03:05, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

Is it any wonder that other countries get the impression that Americans
are loud and cocky when they hear folk like you belch out stuff like that.
I'm sure that most Americans are not like that, at least the ones I've
met weren't, you do your country no favours at all.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:45:41 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:16:41 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:32:23 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:50:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 10:11:24 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down.Â* Imagine that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn?Â* Why do you just give up, accept
defeat?Â* The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up.Â* So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people,Â* MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along. That virus is
still out there, just waiting until we open up. The states you like to
tout, are still locked down. I bet after watching Florida, New York
bars will be closed for a while.

Except of course that NY, NJ and CT are not locked down. Most businesses
have re-opened, outdoor dining is open, beaches are open, shopping malls
are open, barber/beauty shops are open. Where do you get your information from?

Are the bars open? Are the theaters open? Can you even sit inside a
restaurant?

The things that you mentioned probably didn't need to be closed in the
first place.


If they wanted to end up like Florida today. Is that working out great
for you?

It is working out OK for me. I am not in a make out bar trying to get
lucky.

No, you're just in CVS, Publix, and Lowe's, all of them about as risky as
anywhere else.

We pretty much have the proof that is not true.
When we only had those essential businesses open our infection rate
was low and centered in the agricultural community. As soon as we
opened the bars it skyrocketed among the anglo millennials.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:50:40 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 01:15, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:30:39 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:58:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:13:03 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/20/2020 4:48 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:25:04 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:40:36 -0700, Bob F wrote:




And again, it is not about testing all the kids. It is about having an
adequate testing and tracking system on top of having controlled the
virus so that you can test and track and keep up with the virus. Europe
is doing that. China and Korea are, and many other countries are doing
that. But the Repubs have ignored, poo-pooed, and dismissed this very
basic process to stop covid.

If you put 1000 kids in a school and stir them up all day,

Strawman noted. And particularly
in the days of SARS-CoV-2, there will be social distancing
and masks for 3-12th graders, so contact tracing will be much
more practical than you think.

That is pretty hard to do with 30-40 kids in a crowded classroom or 75
kids on a bus. Once they get to 7th grade they are also going to
different classes 6 or 7 times a day, increasing the mix. You also
seem to have a lot more faith in the school's ability to enforce masks
and distancing. They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking
dope and having sex in the bathrooms.


It works in the other countries that have flattened (and in some
cases eliminated) the curve.


The cases were under control before the schools were opened.


And that is EXACTLY what trump is ordering states not to do.

Your knee is jerking again. I said Trump was wrong but you
automatically disagreed with me without even reading my post.
You folks are making excuses saying we could test and trace our way
out of this and it is ridiculous when we are seeing thousands of new
cases a day.

I's say it's more like you're just stuck in continual denial mode. Tracing
is being done effectively in NY, NJ, CT. It's being done successfully in
China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU, etc. It can be done in those places,
because they took the correct steps to put Covid down to low levels so
that tracing CAN BE DONE. Your state chose to listen to Trump and to fail.
Now, as we told you months ago, you're in flames, with 10K cases a day.
So, sure you can't do tracing now. You wasted 4 months of hardship.
Now instead of recognizing that, you want to pretend that it's something
else. Are you actually arguing that states like NY, NJ, CT should just
follow FL, TX, AZ over the cliff? Should EU and South Korea?

Lets see how you folks look when you open up places of assembly.
Florida was looking great when we stayed locked down.


Did they have test and trace fully working?

Does anyone? ... fully?


China.

That just proves you can enforce lock downs and quarantines at the
point of a gun and you can control the press.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:30:39 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:58:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:13:03 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/20/2020 4:48 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:25:04 GMT, (Scott
Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:40:36 -0700, Bob F
wrote:




And again, it is not about testing all the kids. It is about
having an
adequate testing and tracking system on top of having controlled
the
virus so that you can test and track and keep up with the virus.
Europe
is doing that. China and Korea are, and many other countries are
doing
that. But the Repubs have ignored, poo-pooed, and dismissed this
very
basic process to stop covid.

If you put 1000 kids in a school and stir them up all day,

Strawman noted. And particularly
in the days of SARS-CoV-2, there will be social distancing
and masks for 3-12th graders, so contact tracing will be much
more practical than you think.

That is pretty hard to do with 30-40 kids in a crowded classroom or
75
kids on a bus. Once they get to 7th grade they are also going to
different classes 6 or 7 times a day, increasing the mix. You also
seem to have a lot more faith in the school's ability to enforce
masks
and distancing. They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking
dope and having sex in the bathrooms.


It works in the other countries that have flattened (and in some
cases eliminated) the curve.


The cases were under control before the schools were opened.


And that is EXACTLY what trump is ordering states not to do.

Your knee is jerking again. I said Trump was wrong but you
automatically disagreed with me without even reading my post.
You folks are making excuses saying we could test and trace our way
out of this and it is ridiculous when we are seeing thousands of new
cases a day.

I's say it's more like you're just stuck in continual denial mode.
Tracing
is being done effectively in NY, NJ, CT. It's being done successfully
in
China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU, etc. It can be done in those places,
because they took the correct steps to put Covid down to low levels so
that tracing CAN BE DONE. Your state chose to listen to Trump and to
fail.
Now, as we told you months ago, you're in flames, with 10K cases a day.
So, sure you can't do tracing now. You wasted 4 months of hardship.
Now instead of recognizing that, you want to pretend that it's
something
else. Are you actually arguing that states like NY, NJ, CT should just
follow FL, TX, AZ over the cliff? Should EU and South Korea?

Lets see how you folks look when you open up places of assembly.
Florida was looking great when we stayed locked down.


Did they have test and trace fully working?

Does anyone? ... fully?

Yep, all of New Zealand, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Singapore all do.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:33:16 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down. Imagine
that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn? Why do you just give up, accept
defeat? The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up. So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat
suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people, MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is
laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not
too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can
see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along.
That virus is still out there, just waiting until we open
up. The states you like to tout, are still locked down.

That is a bare faced lie with New Zealand, Taiwan, China and Korea.


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.


So don't go there if you don't like being responsible.

I am just pointing out they are still locked down.

Nope, NZers are free to go anywhere they like in NZ
and free to do anything like inside the country too.
And there isnt even any social distancing required either.

The US has NEVER enforced a quarantine

That is a bare faced lie with Ellis Island and with
the spanish flue and with typhoid too. And with
yellow fever and leprosy too.

until Kentucky tried this week. They have
a family wearing ankle monitors. Let's see
how that works out for them.

I see lawsuits flying before that is over.

Yep, you actually are that stupid.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:38:29 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 07:02:28 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 21/07/2020 00:43, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:21:54 +0100, Bod wrote:


We know that there is transmission, 165 positives in one of our
schools
and Israel has had a much worse result in their schools now.

Add to that, a whole lot of states are still living with busing
orders
left over from 50 years ago and the kids in schools are not even
grouped by neighborhoods. One outbreak in a government
desegregated
school will quickly spread out across the county on crowded
school
buses.
I can't think of a better way to distribute a virus.

Just ask Trump. I'm sure he can. He's the virus's BFF.

If you have no answer, just throw out a trump brain fart.

No one can compete with Trump's extreme brain flatulence.

You folks can't seem to have a conversation about anything without
changing the subject to Trump.
We were talking about the difficulty in tracing covid in school
kids.
In case you were too blinded by your TDS to notice, I was saying the
reopening of the schools may not be a good idea, no matter what
Trump
or DeVos says.

I will predict that when the at risk kids fall through the cracks
and
lose a year's worth of education, perhaps never recovering, the idea
of closing the schools will be questioned. This might end up being
the
most lasting consequence from the panicdemic. We are going to add
millions to the ranks of the hard core unemployables.

I harp on about Trump because there's hardly a day goes by that he
doesn't come out with more drivel,more lies and self love, plus
divisive
crap.

The man is obviously one wave short of a shipwreck.

Constantly harping about your hatred of the man isn't addressing the
issue at all tho. It just distracts from anything useful.

Yes it is addressing the issue. Donald Trump is ruining the US, he is
totally unfit for the job and quite frankly a deluded man. He is the
laughing stock of most of the rest of the world.
The only "useful" thing to do is to remove him ASAP and put someone in
with a normal brain before he does more damage.
He IS the issue.

I still haven't seen anyone tell me what Hillary would have done
differently. Lots of fantasy but not much that changes the nature of
Americans.
I suppose we might have stayed locked down longer but that is just
postponing the inevitable. I said cases would soar as soon as they
opened back up and Texas, California and Florida proved me right. The
NE states are still locked down so they are still showing a decline
but as soon as places of assembly open up, hold on to your hat.

You can't even use the mask excuse because mask use is higher now in
Florida than it was when we were doing well. Two months ago less than
50% were wearing masks. Now I think it might be up in the 85-90% in
the places I went today (Publix (twice), CVS, Ace and Lowes)


2 months ago, the virus was spreading all over the state like wildfire.
What you are seeing at the hospitals now is those people. The masks now
may be helping, but you will not see that at the hospitals for weeks.
Your peak at the hospitals is still weeks off even if the masks stopped
the spread completely.

Two months ago the virus was in a steady decline in Florida but you
can lie if you like. That was the justification they used to go to
phase 2. The biggest mistake was the bars.

Pity about the ag workers.

The virus is apparent in about a week if you are going to get sick.

More pig ignorant drivel.

We are getting the day by day from one of our news anchors
who is reporting in from home after testing positive last week.
They are telling him, this is a 2 week thing, maybe 3.

More pig ignorant drivel.

About 25% of the patients in our hospitals (Ft Myers/Naples)
now have Covid but it is unclear all of them are there because
of covid, they just have it and are isolated.
75% don't.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down. Imagine
that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn? Why do you just give up, accept
defeat? The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up. So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat
suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people, MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is
laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not
too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can
see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along.
That virus is still out there, just waiting until we open
up. The states you like to tout, are still locked down.

That is a bare faced lie with New Zealand, Taiwan, China and Korea.


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

Nope, quarantine.

What's the difference?

NZers in the country are free to go anywhere they
like in the country and do whatever they were
allowed to do before any virus showed up in china.

Oh I will tell you.
Under house arrest

There is no house house arrest in NZ now.

you can still have visitors, under quarantine, you
can't see anyone that you didn't bring with you.
If you are traveling alone, it is solitary confinement.

Not when travelling anywhere you like within NZ if you havent
left the country, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.

Nope, with their lockdown.

They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

That's bull**** too.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off.

So has France and plenty of others.

That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years ago.

Very few of them have a king anymore.

We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.

Yep, with vastly more killed by the virus than there needs to be.

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wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:33:16 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down. Imagine
that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn? Why do you just give up, accept
defeat? The country that put man on the moon has fallen so
badly
it can't get up. So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat
suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people, MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is
laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not
too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can
see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along.
That virus is still out there, just waiting until we open
up. The states you like to tout, are still locked down.

That is a bare faced lie with New Zealand, Taiwan, China and Korea.


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.


So don't go there if you don't like being responsible.
Fretwell doesn't have a clue about the difference between "locked
down" and "locked up". NZ is functioning virtually as normal EXCEPT
anybody landing on their shores gets "locked up" so the country
doesn't need to be "locked down". It is called preventative
quarantine.

That is also something that is not a viable option here.

That's bull****.

They are trying it in Kentucky with ankle monitors but I doubt it will
survive the court challenge. Our quarantine law refers to "infection"
not simply "travel".

The quarantine is to see if you are infected, ****wit.

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On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:50:40 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 01:15, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:30:39 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:58:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:13:03 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 7/20/2020 4:48 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:25:04 GMT, (Scott
Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:40:36 -0700, Bob F
wrote:




And again, it is not about testing all the kids. It is about
having an
adequate testing and tracking system on top of having
controlled the
virus so that you can test and track and keep up with the
virus. Europe
is doing that. China and Korea are, and many other countries
are doing
that. But the Repubs have ignored, poo-pooed, and dismissed
this very
basic process to stop covid.

If you put 1000 kids in a school and stir them up all day,

Strawman noted. And particularly
in the days of SARS-CoV-2, there will be social distancing
and masks for 3-12th graders, so contact tracing will be much
more practical than you think.

That is pretty hard to do with 30-40 kids in a crowded classroom
or 75
kids on a bus. Once they get to 7th grade they are also going to
different classes 6 or 7 times a day, increasing the mix. You also
seem to have a lot more faith in the school's ability to enforce
masks
and distancing. They have enough trouble keeping them from smoking
dope and having sex in the bathrooms.


It works in the other countries that have flattened (and in some
cases eliminated) the curve.


The cases were under control before the schools were opened.


And that is EXACTLY what trump is ordering states not to do.

Your knee is jerking again. I said Trump was wrong but you
automatically disagreed with me without even reading my post.
You folks are making excuses saying we could test and trace our way
out of this and it is ridiculous when we are seeing thousands of new
cases a day.

I's say it's more like you're just stuck in continual denial mode.
Tracing
is being done effectively in NY, NJ, CT. It's being done
successfully in
China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU, etc. It can be done in those places,
because they took the correct steps to put Covid down to low levels
so
that tracing CAN BE DONE. Your state chose to listen to Trump and to
fail.
Now, as we told you months ago, you're in flames, with 10K cases a
day.
So, sure you can't do tracing now. You wasted 4 months of hardship.
Now instead of recognizing that, you want to pretend that it's
something
else. Are you actually arguing that states like NY, NJ, CT should
just
follow FL, TX, AZ over the cliff? Should EU and South Korea?

Lets see how you folks look when you open up places of assembly.
Florida was looking great when we stayed locked down.


Did they have test and trace fully working?

Does anyone? ... fully?


China.

That just proves you can enforce lock downs and quarantines
at the point of a gun and you can control the press.

New Zealand didn't need either.

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On 7/22/2020 12:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:45:41 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:16:41 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:32:23 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:50:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 10:11:24 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down.Â* Imagine that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn?Â* Why do you just give up, accept
defeat?Â* The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up.Â* So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people,Â* MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along. That virus is
still out there, just waiting until we open up. The states you like to
tout, are still locked down. I bet after watching Florida, New York
bars will be closed for a while.

Except of course that NY, NJ and CT are not locked down. Most businesses
have re-opened, outdoor dining is open, beaches are open, shopping malls
are open, barber/beauty shops are open. Where do you get your information from?

Are the bars open? Are the theaters open? Can you even sit inside a
restaurant?

The things that you mentioned probably didn't need to be closed in the
first place.


If they wanted to end up like Florida today. Is that working out great
for you?

It is working out OK for me. I am not in a make out bar trying to get
lucky.

No, you're just in CVS, Publix, and Lowe's, all of them about as risky as
anywhere else.

We pretty much have the proof that is not true.
When we only had those essential businesses open our infection rate
was low and centered in the agricultural community. As soon as we
opened the bars it skyrocketed among the anglo millennials.


Makes sense. I go to the store when less crowded once a week. I don't
get close to people and even passing in the aisle there is some distance
and it is quick.

Go to a bar and you are a few feet away from a bunch of peole, possibly
for an hour or so. How close is the next table at a restaurant? Again,
sitting in that same spot for a period of time among many others. You
can't eat or drink with a mask on.

Just seems that would greatly increase the chance of a stray virus to
swirl around and land on you. I avoid them.

Nothing aside from an enclosure is perfect but you can do some avoidance
easily. Like the President, I'm patriotic and wear a mask.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:29:02 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 03:05, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

Is it any wonder that other countries get the impression that Americans
are loud and cocky when they hear folk like you belch out stuff like that.
I'm sure that most Americans are not like that, at least the ones I've
met weren't, you do your country no favours at all.

What else could you call the 45 days of rioting in our cities that
Joyce and Bob are praising? They are destroying any vestige of
government authority that they can find.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:46:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/22/2020 12:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:45:41 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:16:41 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:32:23 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:50:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 10:11:24 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down.Â* Imagine that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn?Â* Why do you just give up, accept
defeat?Â* The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up.Â* So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people,Â* MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along. That virus is
still out there, just waiting until we open up. The states you like to
tout, are still locked down. I bet after watching Florida, New York
bars will be closed for a while.

Except of course that NY, NJ and CT are not locked down. Most businesses
have re-opened, outdoor dining is open, beaches are open, shopping malls
are open, barber/beauty shops are open. Where do you get your information from?

Are the bars open? Are the theaters open? Can you even sit inside a
restaurant?

The things that you mentioned probably didn't need to be closed in the
first place.


If they wanted to end up like Florida today. Is that working out great
for you?

It is working out OK for me. I am not in a make out bar trying to get
lucky.

No, you're just in CVS, Publix, and Lowe's, all of them about as risky as
anywhere else.

We pretty much have the proof that is not true.
When we only had those essential businesses open our infection rate
was low and centered in the agricultural community. As soon as we
opened the bars it skyrocketed among the anglo millennials.


Makes sense. I go to the store when less crowded once a week. I don't
get close to people and even passing in the aisle there is some distance
and it is quick.

Go to a bar and you are a few feet away from a bunch of peole, possibly
for an hour or so. How close is the next table at a restaurant? Again,
sitting in that same spot for a period of time among many others. You
can't eat or drink with a mask on.

Just seems that would greatly increase the chance of a stray virus to
swirl around and land on you. I avoid them.


I was dragged into to restaurant twice in the last month and they are
trying to distance. At Carrabbas I actually felt pretty safe. There
were not many people there and we had a whole wall separated section
to ourselves. Texas Road house was still pretty empty but it was more
open.
The danger of the food itself was about the same as if you carried
out.

On 22/07/2020 18:33, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:29:02 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 03:05, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

Is it any wonder that other countries get the impression that Americans
are loud and cocky when they hear folk like you belch out stuff like that.
I'm sure that most Americans are not like that, at least the ones I've
met weren't, you do your country no favours at all.

What else could you call the 45 days of rioting in our cities that
Joyce and Bob are praising? They are destroying any vestige of
government authority that they can find.

I don't know, I'm totally flummoxed with what's all happening in the US.

On 7/22/2020 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:46:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/22/2020 12:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:45:41 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:16:41 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:32:23 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:50:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 10:11:24 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:59:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/20/2020 8:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 7/20/2020 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 9:32 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 7/20/2020 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And yet NY, NJ, CT etc successfully put Covid down.Â* Imagine that.
If we had a uniform plan like those states implemented for the
whole country, had adequate testing, we would have it down.
Instead we wasted the four months that shutting down bought us.
Why can't you look and learn?Â* Why do you just give up, accept
defeat?Â* The country that put man on the moon has fallen so badly
it can't get up.Â* So much for "make America great again".

Why not just buy all the pussified snowflakes some full hazmat suits
and let the rest of us real Americans live our lives?

With 10,000 new cases a day do you think that is enjoying life?


All that means is that we tested = 10,000 people,Â* MSM has a fresh
fearmongering statistic and that some medical supply company is laughing
all the way to the bank.


Explain why the hospitals have been filling up in some states. Many
have controlled it but some are losing the battle. Florida was not too
bad in April but 52 hospitals now have no ICU beds. Surely you can see
that is not good.

It simply points out what I have been saying all along. That virus is
still out there, just waiting until we open up. The states you like to
tout, are still locked down. I bet after watching Florida, New York
bars will be closed for a while.

Except of course that NY, NJ and CT are not locked down. Most businesses
have re-opened, outdoor dining is open, beaches are open, shopping malls
are open, barber/beauty shops are open. Where do you get your information from?

Are the bars open? Are the theaters open? Can you even sit inside a
restaurant?

The things that you mentioned probably didn't need to be closed in the
first place.


If they wanted to end up like Florida today. Is that working out great
for you?

It is working out OK for me. I am not in a make out bar trying to get
lucky.

No, you're just in CVS, Publix, and Lowe's, all of them about as risky as
anywhere else.

We pretty much have the proof that is not true.
When we only had those essential businesses open our infection rate
was low and centered in the agricultural community. As soon as we
opened the bars it skyrocketed among the anglo millennials.


Makes sense. I go to the store when less crowded once a week. I don't
get close to people and even passing in the aisle there is some distance
and it is quick.

Go to a bar and you are a few feet away from a bunch of peole, possibly
for an hour or so. How close is the next table at a restaurant? Again,
sitting in that same spot for a period of time among many others. You
can't eat or drink with a mask on.

Just seems that would greatly increase the chance of a stray virus to
swirl around and land on you. I avoid them.


I was dragged into to restaurant twice in the last month and they are
trying to distance. At Carrabbas I actually felt pretty safe. There
were not many people there and we had a whole wall separated section
to ourselves. Texas Road house was still pretty empty but it was more
open.
The danger of the food itself was about the same as if you carried
out.

Went to a restaurant a month ago. We, four of us, sat outside all by
ourselves. Nearest table was around the corner about 30 feet away. I
was comfortable there but getting to it and leaving we walked through
the inside. I would not have sat there at all. Far too crowded around
some tables.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:44:11 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 18:33, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:29:02 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 03:05, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

Is it any wonder that other countries get the impression that Americans
are loud and cocky when they hear folk like you belch out stuff like that.
I'm sure that most Americans are not like that, at least the ones I've
met weren't, you do your country no favours at all.

What else could you call the 45 days of rioting in our cities that
Joyce and Bob are praising? They are destroying any vestige of
government authority that they can find.

I don't know, I'm totally flummoxed with what's all happening in the US.

I suppose I have to ask, what would Boris do. I saw how you folks
dealt with the Irish "problem". It was anything but peaceful in a
country that likes to brag about your non-violence and how your cops
don't need guns.

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:44:11 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 18:33, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:29:02 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 03:05, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott
Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

Is it any wonder that other countries get the impression that Americans
are loud and cocky when they hear folk like you belch out stuff like
that.
I'm sure that most Americans are not like that, at least the ones I've
met weren't, you do your country no favours at all.

What else could you call the 45 days of rioting in our cities that
Joyce and Bob are praising? They are destroying any vestige of
government authority that they can find.

I don't know, I'm totally flummoxed with what's all happening in the US.

I suppose I have to ask, what would Boris do.

We know that, he was mayor of London at the time
of the London riots, looting and burning that were
much worse than you lot have seen recently. The
courts ****ed them over very comprehensively
indeed and Boris ordered water cannon trucks that
ended up not being used because the rioting was
stamped out much more quickly than you lot are doing.

I saw how you folks dealt with the Irish "problem".
It was anything but peaceful

Not surprising given they quite literally blow up
and killed so many people, including the govt party
annual meeting and damned near killed Thatcher.

in a country that likes to brag about your non-violence

That's bull****.

and how your cops don't need guns.

They have armed response units now.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:33:06 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:29:02 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 03:05, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

Is it any wonder that other countries get the impression that Americans
are loud and cocky when they hear folk like you belch out stuff like that.
I'm sure that most Americans are not like that, at least the ones I've
met weren't, you do your country no favours at all.

What else could you call the 45 days of rioting in our cities that
Joyce and Bob are praising? They are destroying any vestige of
government authority that they can find.

What have I praised? 1 + 1 = 6 again.

I'm condemning the use of secret police. Try to keep up!

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:44:11 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 18:33, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:29:02 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 03:05, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

Is it any wonder that other countries get the impression that Americans
are loud and cocky when they hear folk like you belch out stuff like that.
I'm sure that most Americans are not like that, at least the ones I've
met weren't, you do your country no favours at all.

What else could you call the 45 days of rioting in our cities that
Joyce and Bob are praising? They are destroying any vestige of
government authority that they can find.

I don't know, I'm totally flummoxed with what's all happening in the US.

So are most of us over here.

On 23/07/2020 07:22, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:33:06 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:29:02 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 03:05, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

Is it any wonder that other countries get the impression that Americans
are loud and cocky when they hear folk like you belch out stuff like that.
I'm sure that most Americans are not like that, at least the ones I've
met weren't, you do your country no favours at all.

What else could you call the 45 days of rioting in our cities that
Joyce and Bob are praising? They are destroying any vestige of
government authority that they can find.

What have I praised? 1 + 1 = 6 again.

I'm condemning the use of secret police. Try to keep up!

It's like banging your head against a wall, Jim.

On 23/07/2020 07:24, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:44:11 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 18:33, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:29:02 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 22/07/2020 03:05, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:17 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/21/2020 5:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:57:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:


What happens if I go to New Zealand?
I am under house arrest for 2 weeks. That is locked down.

The residents and visitors (after 2 weeks quarantine) are not
in any way locked down. And the quarantine is _why_ they're not
locked down.

See we just need a wall ;-)
They have an ocean.
It is also a country smaller than most of our states.


https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...-spike-28-june

So they did a better job with immigration and quarantine.
They also still have a pretty big part of the economy shut down.

This isn't EU either. The average American carries around a whole lot
of "**** You" and has a proud tradition of telling the government to
**** off. That is why we kicked out the king a couple hundred years
ago.
We will get over this, more like Sweden than Korea.
Hide in your safe place until it's over. You will be OK.

Is it any wonder that other countries get the impression that Americans
are loud and cocky when they hear folk like you belch out stuff like that.
I'm sure that most Americans are not like that, at least the ones I've
met weren't, you do your country no favours at all.

What else could you call the 45 days of rioting in our cities that
Joyce and Bob are praising? They are destroying any vestige of
government authority that they can find.

I don't know, I'm totally flummoxed with what's all happening in the US.

So are most of us over here.

Could it be part of god's plan. Ash Muggles, she'll know ;-)
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