Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

I saw Fachi on TV tonight and it sounded like he was advocating
opening the schools too but I really wasn't paying that much
attention. The messages are too mixed and inconsistent about kids and
Covid to take any of them seriously. It seems that NIH and WHO are
saying the danger with kids is very low but I assume you can wait a
minute and that may not be true.

On 7/17/2020 6:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

I saw Fachi on TV tonight and it sounded like he was advocating
opening the schools too but I really wasn't paying that much
attention. The messages are too mixed and inconsistent about kids and
Covid to take any of them seriously. It seems that NIH and WHO are
saying the danger with kids is very low but I assume you can wait a
minute and that may not be true.


Opening schools when we are in an extreme covid explosion is insanity.
Even after getting it under good control in Israel, opening schools blew
it up again.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:16:46 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 6:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

I saw Fachi on TV tonight and it sounded like he was advocating
opening the schools too but I really wasn't paying that much
attention. The messages are too mixed and inconsistent about kids and
Covid to take any of them seriously. It seems that NIH and WHO are
saying the danger with kids is very low but I assume you can wait a
minute and that may not be true.


Opening schools when we are in an extreme covid explosion is insanity.
Even after getting it under good control in Israel, opening schools blew
it up again.
I don't really have a dog in that fight. My kids taught their kids at
home for years in "virtual school", essentially what they want to do
now. State program, administered on line.

(Not to be confused with the people who teach their kids Jesus had a
pet dinosaur) ;-)

They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

On 7/17/2020 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:16:46 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 6:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

I saw Fachi on TV tonight and it sounded like he was advocating
opening the schools too but I really wasn't paying that much
attention. The messages are too mixed and inconsistent about kids and
Covid to take any of them seriously. It seems that NIH and WHO are
saying the danger with kids is very low but I assume you can wait a
minute and that may not be true.


Opening schools when we are in an extreme covid explosion is insanity.
Even after getting it under good control in Israel, opening schools blew
it up again.
I don't really have a dog in that fight. My kids taught their kids at
home for years in "virtual school", essentially what they want to do
now. State program, administered on line.

(Not to be confused with the people who teach their kids Jesus had a
pet dinosaur) ;-)

They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.


It is not just the kids but teachers, administrators, bus drivers, etc.
You can visualize the swirl of germs kicked up in a school room. Swirl
them around and take home a new mix.

On 7/17/2020 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:16:46 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 6:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

I saw Fachi on TV tonight and it sounded like he was advocating
opening the schools too but I really wasn't paying that much
attention. The messages are too mixed and inconsistent about kids and
Covid to take any of them seriously. It seems that NIH and WHO are
saying the danger with kids is very low but I assume you can wait a
minute and that may not be true.


Opening schools when we are in an extreme covid explosion is insanity.
Even after getting it under good control in Israel, opening schools blew
it up again.
I don't really have a dog in that fight. My kids taught their kids at
home for years in "virtual school", essentially what they want to do
now. State program, administered on line.

(Not to be confused with the people who teach their kids Jesus had a
pet dinosaur) ;-)

They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.


So it's just wonderful if they blow up the pandemic all around you?

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

I saw Fachi on TV tonight and it sounded like he was advocating
opening the schools too but I really wasn't paying that much
attention. The messages are too mixed and inconsistent about kids and
Covid to take any of them seriously. It seems that NIH and WHO are
saying the danger with kids is very low

Depends on what danger you are talking about.

The health risk for the kids themselves is very
low, they hardly ever get sick enough to need
any medical treatment, but they will infect the
teachers and those in their houses.

We've just had one school end up with more than
a hundred positives traced to just the one school.

but I assume you can wait a minute and that may not be true.

Yep, you actually are that stupid.

On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:48:56 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:16:46 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 6:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

I saw Fachi on TV tonight and it sounded like he was advocating
opening the schools too but I really wasn't paying that much
attention. The messages are too mixed and inconsistent about kids and
Covid to take any of them seriously. It seems that NIH and WHO are
saying the danger with kids is very low but I assume you can wait a
minute and that may not be true.


Opening schools when we are in an extreme covid explosion is insanity.
Even after getting it under good control in Israel, opening schools blew
it up again.
I don't really have a dog in that fight. My kids taught their kids at
home for years in "virtual school", essentially what they want to do
now. State program, administered on line.

(Not to be confused with the people who teach their kids Jesus had a
pet dinosaur) ;-)

They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.


So it's just wonderful if they blow up the pandemic all around you?

I said I don't have a dog in this fight. You boys carry on, I have my
popcorn.

They are still trying to figure out what to do here.
It has been pointed out by the blacks and hispanics that closing the
school discriminated against them because the parents are less able to
teach the kids at home and they will be more severely impacted.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:00:38 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile pest's latest troll**** unread

--
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"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****."
MID:

On 7/18/2020 12:38 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Agree it is important, but how to do safely?

On 7/17/2020 10:53 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:48:56 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:16:46 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 6:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

I saw Fachi on TV tonight and it sounded like he was advocating
opening the schools too but I really wasn't paying that much
attention. The messages are too mixed and inconsistent about kids and
Covid to take any of them seriously. It seems that NIH and WHO are
saying the danger with kids is very low but I assume you can wait a
minute and that may not be true.


Opening schools when we are in an extreme covid explosion is insanity.
Even after getting it under good control in Israel, opening schools blew
it up again.
I don't really have a dog in that fight. My kids taught their kids at
home for years in "virtual school", essentially what they want to do
now. State program, administered on line.

(Not to be confused with the people who teach their kids Jesus had a
pet dinosaur) ;-)

They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.


So it's just wonderful if they blow up the pandemic all around you?

I said I don't have a dog in this fight. You boys carry on, I have my
popcorn.

They are still trying to figure out what to do here.
It has been pointed out by the blacks and hispanics that closing the
school discriminated against them because the parents are less able to
teach the kids at home and they will be more severely impacted.


And of course, those groups are not affected by covid, except by dying
at 3 times the rate of whites. When that was announced was exactly when
the militias came out and trump and repubs started the re-open movement.
Pure racism.

On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control, which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

On 07/18/2020 08:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/18/2020 12:38 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Agree it is important, but how to do safely?

Expecting a herd pf sixth graders to wear masks, stay six feet from each
other, and wash their hands regularly isn't going to work. Testing, even
assuming the availability of that many tests, isn't feasible at $100 a
pop. So I guess the kids stay home. That's tough for working parents
that use public schools for daycare. A co-worker has his kid in day care
and when he mentioned the monthly rate my jaw dropped. Fortunately he
and his wife are working professionals.

Expecting parents, or more accurately a single mother, who managed to
make it through N years of school while remaining functionally
illiterate to give a damn about little Johnny's school work is another
stretch.

So how safe is safely? For a generation who consigned their smaller
children to the backseat of the SUV secure in their space capsule, I
imagine they an airtight guarantee that Suzy will never have a bad
experience in her life.

On 7/18/2020 11:00 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even after Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control, which is absolutely necessary before opening
schools.


If the children doing peaceful protesting didn't succumb to the Wuhan-19, why would children going to school be effected?

On 7/17/2020 11:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Socialization is overrated when it comes to putting kids in public
schools. Kids get socialized in many different real life scenarios just
fine w/o ever being in a public or private school classroom.

--
Maggie

On 07/18/2020 10:53 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/17/2020 11:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Socialization is overrated when it comes to putting kids in public
schools. Kids get socialized in many different real life scenarios just
fine w/o ever being in a public or private school classroom.


Some of the regulations are doing their best to eliminate real life
scenarios. I was a free range kid and some of the stuff we got up do
definitely wouldn't meet the CDC guidelines. Some kids died, but not too
many.

On 7/18/2020 1:29 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/18/2020 10:53 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/17/2020 11:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Socialization is overrated when it comes to putting kids in public
schools.* Kids get socialized in many different real life scenarios just
fine w/o ever being in a public or private school classroom.


Some of the regulations are doing their best to eliminate real life
scenarios. I was a free range kid and some of the stuff we got up do
definitely wouldn't meet the CDC guidelines. Some kids died, but not too
many.

yeah .. they say the smart ones survive their youth.

--
Maggie

On 7/18/2020 9:52 AM, A noiseless patient Spider wrote:
On 7/18/2020 11:00 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No
classroom or playground activities for a year or two might make for a
generation of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even
after Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control,
which is absolutely necessary before opening schools.


If the children doing peaceful protesting didn't succumb to the
Wuhan-19, why would children going to school be effected?


Because they were outdoors and wearing masks? And none of them were
required to be there by trump. They were a very small part of the
population.

On 7/18/2020 3:29 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/18/2020 9:52 AM, A noiseless patient Spider wrote:
On 7/18/2020 11:00 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even after Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control, which is absolutely necessary before opening
schools.


If the children doing peaceful protesting didn't succumb to the Wuhan-19, why would children going to school be effected?


Because they were outdoors and wearing masks?


Oh Bob, I really wanted to believe you but I just had to double check.* So I went over to duckduckgo and searched for "BLM protestor" images.* I didn't see very many masks, in fact most photos were maskless.

You really let me down, Bob!

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control, which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works, what
doesn't. No, No, No. This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party. If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 07:57:02 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 10:53 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:48:56 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:16:46 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/17/2020 6:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935

The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.

It's quite amazing. It's as if Trump wants to be impeached again before
the election. Sadly the Trumpets will say nothing is wrong here either,
screw Congress, all hail Trump!

I saw Fachi on TV tonight and it sounded like he was advocating
opening the schools too but I really wasn't paying that much
attention. The messages are too mixed and inconsistent about kids and
Covid to take any of them seriously. It seems that NIH and WHO are
saying the danger with kids is very low but I assume you can wait a
minute and that may not be true.


Opening schools when we are in an extreme covid explosion is insanity.
Even after getting it under good control in Israel, opening schools blew
it up again.
I don't really have a dog in that fight. My kids taught their kids at
home for years in "virtual school", essentially what they want to do
now. State program, administered on line.

(Not to be confused with the people who teach their kids Jesus had a
pet dinosaur) ;-)

They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.


So it's just wonderful if they blow up the pandemic all around you?

I said I don't have a dog in this fight. You boys carry on, I have my
popcorn.

They are still trying to figure out what to do here.
It has been pointed out by the blacks and hispanics that closing the
school discriminated against them because the parents are less able to
teach the kids at home and they will be more severely impacted.


And of course, those groups are not affected by covid, except by dying
at 3 times the rate of whites. When that was announced was exactly when
the militias came out and trump and repubs started the re-open movement.
Pure racism.

It is a delicate balance. Should we look at the short term effect of
the virus or the long term effect of kids of color not getting an
education.
The fact remains, if the parents are functionally illiterate or
non-english speaking, home school is not going to be very effective.
The same problems that affect brick and mortar school kids, become far
more serious in a home school setting. Not only are mom and dad (if
there is a dad) no help with homework, now they are no help with the
regular work. As I said, my kids did home school with their kids and
it was hard work for them. My daughter saw it as almost a full time
job keeping the 3 of them on track.
Of course if mom is working out of the home, there probably won't be
much "school" going on.

Perhaps the answer is to quarantine the school kids away from
grandma.

On 07/18/2020 04:05 PM, wrote:
It is a delicate balance. Should we look at the short term effect of
the virus or the long term effect of kids of color not getting an
education.

Looking at Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, etc kids of color don't get an
education in the best of times.

Perhaps the answer is to quarantine the school kids away from
grandma.

Good idea, except it's grandma that is raising the kids.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:19:22 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

So how safe is safely? For a generation who consigned their smaller
children to the backseat of the SUV secure in their space capsule, I
imagine they an airtight guarantee that Suzy will never have a bad
experience in her life.

If you live in the projects you only hope the SUV Jamal is in, isn't
the local drug dealers Escalade with Jamal holding the stash.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:52:22 -0400, A noiseless patient Spider
wrote:

On 7/18/2020 11:00 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even after Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control, which is absolutely necessary before opening
schools.


If the children doing peaceful protesting didn't succumb to the Wuhan-19, why would children going to school be effected?


The "Branch Covidians" can't say it was just because they were outside
or they have trouble explaining why we closed beaches, boat ramps and
golf courses.

On 7/18/2020 1:35 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control, which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works, what
doesn't. No, No, No. This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party. If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

If trump wants to open schools, he need to get testing and tracking
working. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to open anything up
safely.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:53:36 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

On 7/17/2020 11:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Socialization is overrated when it comes to putting kids in public
schools. Kids get socialized in many different real life scenarios just
fine w/o ever being in a public or private school classroom.

Not if they have been under house arrest for the last 4 months, only
getting out for "essential" trips. If you are letting them run around
with their friends it is pretty much like school.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:29:08 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 9:52 AM, A noiseless patient Spider wrote:
On 7/18/2020 11:00 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No
classroom or playground activities for a year or two might make for a
generation of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even
after Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control,
which is absolutely necessary before opening schools.


If the children doing peaceful protesting didn't succumb to the
Wuhan-19, why would children going to school be effected?


Because they were outdoors and wearing masks? And none of them were
required to be there by trump. They were a very small part of the
population.

Mask usage was worse than what I see in the stores here and we are far
from being "Branch Covidians"(copyright G Fretwell 2020)

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:26:42 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 07/18/2020 04:05 PM, wrote:
It is a delicate balance. Should we look at the short term effect of
the virus or the long term effect of kids of color not getting an
education.

Looking at Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, etc kids of color don't get an
education in the best of times.

Perhaps the answer is to quarantine the school kids away from
grandma.

Good idea, except it's grandma that is raising the kids.

If they are really serious about this, I would say "boarding school"
for the ones who actually want to learn. Spend some of that Covid
money on FEMA trailers and put them up on the football field.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:12:41 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 1:35 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control, which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works, what
doesn't. No, No, No. This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party. If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

If trump wants to open schools, he need to get testing and tracking
working. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to open anything up
safely.


How do you test and track kids who are in a school with 1000 others
who are in the wild for the other 18 hours a day? Do you really think
a teenager will tell anyone where he actually was all day? That is
particularly true of the most at risk kids.

On 07/18/2020 08:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:12:41 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 1:35 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control, which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works, what
doesn't. No, No, No. This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party. If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

If trump wants to open schools, he need to get testing and tracking
working. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to open anything up
safely.


How do you test and track kids who are in a school with 1000 others
who are in the wild for the other 18 hours a day? Do you really think
a teenager will tell anyone where he actually was all day? That is
particularly true of the most at risk kids.


Good luck with fast, accurate, and cheap testing. That's like the old
engineering joke that has 'pick any two' as the punchline.

There was an article about testing employees. It said the tests ran $100
a pop and the insurance companies were coming up with new, creative ways
to not pay for them. So, you test 50 employees this week for $5,000.
You're not done by any means. When do you retest? Next week? Tomorrow?

Now think about a school with a couple of thousand kids. What's your
plan, Bob F?

On 7/18/2020 7:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/18/2020 08:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:12:41 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 1:35 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year,
mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt
for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No
classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a
generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even
after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control,
which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works,
what
doesn't.* No, No, No.* This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party.* If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

If trump wants to open schools, he need to get testing and tracking
working. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to open anything up
safely.


How do you test and track kids who are in a school with 1000 others
who are in the wild for the other 18 hours a day? Do you really think
a teenager will tell anyone where he actually was all day? That is
particularly true of the most at risk kids.


Good luck with fast, accurate, and cheap testing. That's like the old
engineering joke that has 'pick any two' as the punchline.

There was an article about testing employees. It said the tests ran $100
a pop and the insurance companies were coming up with new, creative ways
to not pay for them. So, you test 50 employees this week for $5,000.
You're not done by any means. When do you retest? Next week? Tomorrow?

Now think about a school with a couple of thousand kids. What's your
plan, Bob F?


Have real testing and tracking so when you get the numbers down, you can
keep them down, instead of trumps method of giving up, setting the virus
free, and pretending it would go away. Testing and tracking means EVERY
case possible. Most other countries are managing a pretty good job of
it. The US is doing crap.

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 10:50:23 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 07/18/2020 08:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:12:41 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 1:35 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year, mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control, which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works, what
doesn't. No, No, No. This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party. If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

If trump wants to open schools, he need to get testing and tracking
working. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to open anything up
safely.


How do you test and track kids who are in a school with 1000 others
who are in the wild for the other 18 hours a day? Do you really think
a teenager will tell anyone where he actually was all day? That is
particularly true of the most at risk kids.


Good luck with fast, accurate, and cheap testing. That's like the old
engineering joke that has 'pick any two' as the punchline.

Heh. I have that joke printed out and hung on my cube wall. But I
checked off "cheap", so you really only can choose one.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/17/2020 3:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings.Â* Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935


The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.


"
As school districts around the United States debate when and how to
reopen schools, a large new study from South Korea offers a note of
caution. It found that children between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread
the virus at least as well as adults do, suggesting that middle and high
schools in particular may seed new clusters of infection.

Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often, the study
found, although the risk is not zero. That is consistent with what many
other studies have reported.

Several experts said that the study was carefully done and that the
results suggested schools should have concrete plans in place for
dealing with outbreaks before reopening.

€œI fear that there has been this sense that kids just wont get infected
or dont get infected in the same way as adults and that, therefore,
theyre almost like a bubbled population,€� said Michael Osterholm, an
infectious diseases expert at the University of Minnesota.

€œThere will be transmission,€� Dr. Osterholm said. €œWhat we have to do is
accept that now and include that in our plans.€�
"

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:35:15 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 7:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/18/2020 08:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:12:41 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 1:35 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year,
mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt
for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No
classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a
generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even
after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control,
which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works,
what
doesn't.Â* No, No, No.Â* This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party.Â* If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

If trump wants to open schools, he need to get testing and tracking
working. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to open anything up
safely.


How do you test and track kids who are in a school with 1000 others
who are in the wild for the other 18 hours a day? Do you really think
a teenager will tell anyone where he actually was all day? That is
particularly true of the most at risk kids.


Good luck with fast, accurate, and cheap testing. That's like the old
engineering joke that has 'pick any two' as the punchline.

There was an article about testing employees. It said the tests ran $100
a pop and the insurance companies were coming up with new, creative ways
to not pay for them. So, you test 50 employees this week for $5,000.
You're not done by any means. When do you retest? Next week? Tomorrow?

Now think about a school with a couple of thousand kids. What's your
plan, Bob F?


Have real testing and tracking so when you get the numbers down, you can
keep them down, instead of trumps method of giving up, setting the virus
free, and pretending it would go away. Testing and tracking means EVERY
case possible. Most other countries are managing a pretty good job of
it. The US is doing crap.

When you are talking about 1000 kid schools and with busing, they are
coming from 10 or 12 different neighborhoods, anyone with a modicum of
knowledge of large number math knows contact tracing is a joke.

On 7/19/2020 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:35:15 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 7:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/18/2020 08:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:12:41 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 1:35 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year,
mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt
for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No
classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a
generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even
after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control,
which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works,
what
doesn't.Â* No, No, No.Â* This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party.Â* If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

If trump wants to open schools, he need to get testing and tracking
working. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to open anything up
safely.


How do you test and track kids who are in a school with 1000 others
who are in the wild for the other 18 hours a day? Do you really think
a teenager will tell anyone where he actually was all day? That is
particularly true of the most at risk kids.


Good luck with fast, accurate, and cheap testing. That's like the old
engineering joke that has 'pick any two' as the punchline.

There was an article about testing employees. It said the tests ran $100
a pop and the insurance companies were coming up with new, creative ways
to not pay for them. So, you test 50 employees this week for $5,000.
You're not done by any means. When do you retest? Next week? Tomorrow?

Now think about a school with a couple of thousand kids. What's your
plan, Bob F?


Have real testing and tracking so when you get the numbers down, you can
keep them down, instead of trumps method of giving up, setting the virus
free, and pretending it would go away. Testing and tracking means EVERY
case possible. Most other countries are managing a pretty good job of
it. The US is doing crap.

When you are talking about 1000 kid schools and with busing, they are
coming from 10 or 12 different neighborhoods, anyone with a modicum of
knowledge of large number math knows contact tracing is a joke.


Contact tracing does not only apply to kids.

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:35:22 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/18/2020 7:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/18/2020 08:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:12:41 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 1:35 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year,
mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt
for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No
classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a
generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even
after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control,
which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works,
what
doesn't.Â* No, No, No.Â* This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party.Â* If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

If trump wants to open schools, he need to get testing and tracking
working. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to open anything up
safely.


How do you test and track kids who are in a school with 1000 others
who are in the wild for the other 18 hours a day? Do you really think
a teenager will tell anyone where he actually was all day? That is
particularly true of the most at risk kids.


Good luck with fast, accurate, and cheap testing. That's like the old
engineering joke that has 'pick any two' as the punchline.

There was an article about testing employees. It said the tests ran $100
a pop and the insurance companies were coming up with new, creative ways
to not pay for them. So, you test 50 employees this week for $5,000.
You're not done by any means. When do you retest? Next week? Tomorrow?

Now think about a school with a couple of thousand kids. What's your
plan, Bob F?


Have real testing and tracking so when you get the numbers down, you can
keep them down, instead of trumps method of giving up, setting the virus
free, and pretending it would go away. Testing and tracking means EVERY
case possible. Most other countries are managing a pretty good job of
it. The US is doing crap.

And states like FL let Covid get so out of control that tracing is
impossible now. Who's going to track down all the contacts for 10,000
cases a day? Also tests are taking a week to process. By the time
you get the results, it's too late. Welcome to Trump's America.
We've fallen badly and can't get up. Besides the sickness and death
our enemies have taken note too. Trump can't beat Covid, why should
anyone think he's any better at beating them?

On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:35:15 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 7:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/18/2020 08:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:12:41 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/18/2020 1:35 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/17/2020 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/17/2020 08:33 PM, wrote:
They sent their kids back to the brick and mortar las year,
mostly for
socialization. Now they are home again. No huge shock, excerpt
for the
kids, who liked being with other kids.

Socialization is one of the arguments for public schools. No
classroom
or playground activities for a year or two might make for a
generation
of weird people. Or weirder, I should say.

Kids parents and grandparents dying is anti-social too. Bu no, the
Repubs want to rush schools open in a major pandemic blowup, even
after
Israel proved it doesn't go well. This thing is not in control,
which is
absolutely necessary before opening schools.

No, we can't look at Israel, learn what they did, learn what works,
what
doesn't.Â* No, No, No.Â* This is AMERICA, we're the best, screw the rest.
That's Dear Leader and the New Republican Party.Â* If we had only looked
at China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU and learned we wouldn't be totally
screwed now with Covid.

If trump wants to open schools, he need to get testing and tracking
working. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to open anything up
safely.


How do you test and track kids who are in a school with 1000 others
who are in the wild for the other 18 hours a day? Do you really think
a teenager will tell anyone where he actually was all day? That is
particularly true of the most at risk kids.


Good luck with fast, accurate, and cheap testing. That's like the old
engineering joke that has 'pick any two' as the punchline.

There was an article about testing employees. It said the tests ran $100
a pop and the insurance companies were coming up with new, creative ways
to not pay for them. So, you test 50 employees this week for $5,000.
You're not done by any means. When do you retest? Next week? Tomorrow?

Now think about a school with a couple of thousand kids. What's your
plan, Bob F?


Have real testing and tracking so when you get the numbers down, you can
keep them down, instead of trumps method of giving up, setting the virus
free, and pretending it would go away. Testing and tracking means EVERY
case possible. Most other countries are managing a pretty good job of
it. The US is doing crap.

When you are talking about 1000 kid schools and with busing, they are
coming from 10 or 12 different neighborhoods, anyone with a modicum of
knowledge of large number math knows contact tracing is a joke.

It's a joke in FL because your governor and state screwed up badly.
You can't contact trace when you have 10K new cases a day. But you
can when you have a few hundred, like NJ, NY, CT. That was what the
shutdown, the sheltering was supposed to achieve. We did it here.
And we told you at the time what would happen. Instead of learning
from China, South Korea, Taiwan, EU, NJ, NY, CT keep following Trump
over the cliff.

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On 7/17/2020 3:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Wow, the White House is blocking the CDC from testifying about school
openings. Forget science, just listen to the President, he knows best.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-367935
The White House is blocking CDC officials from testifying next week at a
hearing on reopening schools, the House Education and Labor Committee
told POLITICO on Friday.

Separately, the CDC confirmed that more guidance for opening schools
won't be released until later this month.

Committee Chair Bobby Scott had invited CDC Director Robert Redfield, or
a designee, to testify before the Early Childhood, Elementary and
Secondary Education Subcommittee on July 23 at a hearing on safely
reopening schools.


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As school districts around the United States debate when and how to reopen
schools, a large new study from South Korea offers a note of caution. It
found that children between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at
least as well as adults do, suggesting that middle and high schools in
particular may seed new clusters of infection.

Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often, the study
found, although the risk is not zero. That is consistent with what many
other studies have reported.

Several experts said that the study was carefully done and that the
results suggested schools should have concrete plans in place for dealing
with outbreaks before reopening.

€œI fear that there has been this sense that kids just wont get infected
or dont get infected in the same way as adults and that, therefore, theyre
almost like a bubbled population,€� said Michael Osterholm, an infectious
diseases expert at the University of Minnesota.

€œThere will be transmission,€� Dr. Osterholm said. €œWhat we have to do is
accept that now and include that in our plans.€�

We know that there is transmission, 165 positives in one of our schools
and Israel has had a much worse result in their schools now.