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On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:18:01 -0400, Fred McKenzie
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In article ,
Clare Snyder wrote:

Yes, replace it with one like third one down that has a screw to hold it
in place
https://www.amazon.com/outlet-extend...utlet+extender




Clowns will do what clowns will do.


I'm Guilty as charged!

But the outlet adapter I referred to was like one several items down on
that page: "GE 6 Outlet Wall Plug Adapter Power Strip, Extra Wide
Spaced Outlets for Cell Phone Charger, Power Adapter, 3 Prong, Multi
Outlet Wall Charger, Quick & Easy Install, For Home Office, Home
Theater, Kitchen, or Bathroom, UL Listed, White, 50759".

This adapter replaces the original cover plate from a common dual
outlet. It is held in place with a central screw. Several other
slightly different configurations are also available. They are commonly
found in hardware stores.

If these adapters are illegal, I was not aware of it.

Fred


"Illegal" is a stretch but the NEC does say you are not supposed to
use outlet devices like this as a substitute for building wiring on a
permanent basis.
The general consensus, as stated by Cindy, is plug strips and such are
tolerated if they have a breaker protecting the cord and they are not
daisy chained. Our county life safety officer hated them in the IBM
office and we just bought surge protecting strips to shut him up. I am
not sure we were protected from surges by that little MOV in there but
we were protected from "the man".

I really stopped caring at the face of receptacle. Whatever the user
plugs in is out of my jurisdiction. That is why we have 240.4(D) that
protects "small conductors" at 80% ampacity.

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In article ,
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"Illegal" is a stretch but the NEC does say you are not supposed to
use outlet devices like this as a substitute for building wiring on a
permanent basis.
The general consensus, as stated by Cindy, is plug strips and such are
tolerated if they have a breaker protecting the cord and they are not
daisy chained. Our county life safety officer hated them in the IBM
office and we just bought surge protecting strips to shut him up. I am
not sure we were protected from surges by that little MOV in there but
we were protected from "the man".

I really stopped caring at the face of receptacle. Whatever the user
plugs in is out of my jurisdiction. That is why we have 240.4(D) that
protects "small conductors" at 80% ampacity.



About 20 years ago where I worked we had to replace many of the power
strips with surge power strips because of some inspection. Somewhat over
100 in the plant. One place that was really hit hard was a table that
had about 15 pagers on charge. All of them together probably only took
an amp or two. There were 3 of the power strips in series to power all
the charging.

I worked for a while at a hospital. In one operating room was some old
obsolete X-ray equipment that was never used. The requirements were for
a lead lined door. The door for that room was in the way and was
removed, but every time we were up for inspection that door was replced
for a week or so and in everyones way.
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On 7/19/2020 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:59:33 -0500, Dean Hoffman
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On 7/19/20 10:46 AM,
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 9:05PM, UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:07:42 -0700 (PDT), AK
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On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:40:37 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/15/2020 4:28 PM, AK wrote:
Is there a way to attach this so it does not come loose when I am removing cords?

Thanks.

https://imgur.com/a/AaRGYH9


Yes, replace it with one like third one down that has a screw to hold it
in place
https://www.amazon.com/outlet-extend...utlet+extender

Thanks Ed.

Andy
The first step is to wire the box properly. You can't connect a box
with extention cord like that. Buy a proper "power bar" and plug it in
where you have that cord plugged in (you didn't REALLY" hardwire" that
circuit with fleible extention cord, did you????

People do stuff like that and wire up outlets to 277 lighting voltage every year. But,UL laboratories expect that from the peanut gallery, so these devices and other hardware (both hardwired or plug-in) can usually take the abuse of the wrong voltage/current/ wiring combo.
(not that that should ever be the aim, though)

That would be pretty difficult to do in a typical American house.
I bet the vast majority aren't close to a 277 volt circuit.
American farms have three phase 480 for irrigation and possibly
grain drying. The irrigation ones are typically a long ways from a
house and supplied with an individual meter.
Grain drying is often supplied with electricity to run the fans and
propane or natural gas to supply the heat. I don't work with those so
can't say what the electrical supply would be. Three phase 240 is a
possibility. That would run the larger fans and still allow power for
the house.


That is a place where you are likely to see center tapped delta. The
small red leg transformer gives them 3p 240 and the big transformer
provides the single phase 120/240. The PoCo gets away with 2
transformers.


Out here there are miles and miles and miles of farm distribution lines
that aren't 3P to start with...so that's out.

Most use a rotary phase converter for large loads...the elevator leg
here just has a (physically huge) single phase 10 hp motor. The grain
dryer was only a 5500 bu bin so didn't have that large a fan.
Commercially-sized and large farm bins are much more demanding but I
don't know just how much HP they are pulling...

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On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:18:01 -0400, Fred McKenzie
wrote:

In article ,
Clare Snyder wrote:

Yes, replace it with one like third one down that has a screw to hold it
in place
https://www.amazon.com/outlet-extend...utlet+extender




Clowns will do what clowns will do.


I'm Guilty as charged!

But the outlet adapter I referred to was like one several items down on
that page: "GE 6 Outlet Wall Plug Adapter Power Strip, Extra Wide
Spaced Outlets for Cell Phone Charger, Power Adapter, 3 Prong, Multi
Outlet Wall Charger, Quick & Easy Install, For Home Office, Home
Theater, Kitchen, or Bathroom, UL Listed, White, 50759".

This adapter replaces the original cover plate from a common dual
outlet. It is held in place with a central screw. Several other
slightly different configurations are also available. They are commonly
found in hardware stores.

If these adapters are illegal, I was not aware of it.

Fred

is it UL listed? If not it's not "legal" .Most of them are of
"questionable" quality at best, even if they have approval stickers.
My bigger issue is the extention cord cable used to connect to the
box. What size/rating is the cable? Bet it's NOT a 14 gauge cable.
Also, how did you connect the fine stranded wire to the outlet? I've
seem too many that have not been done safely - and with 6 outlets you
are likely to very quickly overload a 16 or 18 gauge wire.


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