On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:09:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:39:54 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:52:06 -0500, wrote:


Crime is a problem in general for some neighborhoods and some
demographics. In Ft Myers it was announced that virtually all of the
murders occurred in an area where 1% of the population lives.

The 1% would be the rich guys with mansions and swimming
pools?

You don't have to be rich to have a pool.

Just a wild guess, of course.

Here in Brazil it's the opposite, most violent crime occurs in
poor neighborhoods where the population is either unemployed
(unemployment is up to 30% after the right wing coup of 2015, when it
was 4.7%) or have a really low income. Independent of color or race.

Same here. It may even be more concentrated.

You seem to have snipped the really heinous crimes ... the
ones that cause poverty and the violence associated with it. Are you
guilty of something or did you forget to scroll down?

Here it is:

OTOH non-violent crime (even heinous crimes like tax evasion,
declaring bankruptcy so you don't have to pay wages, extortion,
bribing government officials, insider trading etc) occurs in the
richest zones.

Of course, the two are interconnected. One wouldn't exist
without the other.
HTH
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 10:32:11 AM UTC-5, TimR wrote:
Every year in the US, guns kill roughly 14,000 by homicide and 22,000 by suicide.

Assault style rifles account for just under .25% of the homicide and .1% of the suicide. So the very first measure to be recommended is to ban these weapons. Why? Because as a nation we fear those guns more, even though they do less harm.

There are two things we could do to start bringing homicide rates down: legalize drugs, ban capital punishment.

Talk about imagining things, how in the world do you drag deaths from
capital punishment into this? First you claim that assault weapons account
for a very low number, then you cite executions for capital offenses,
which is a very small number and totally irrelevant, as something that
would bring the number down. Wow.


No, wait, work with me here.

Assault weapons kill a tiny percentage of Americans. Removing them all would by itself have little impact.

But Americans do kill people at a much higher rate than other industrial societies. Over time the world has become a less murderous place, and Americans have followed, but not far enough. What we need is to continue the civilization process, and to stop seeing killing people as a way to solve problems. (Getting rid of ALL firearms, our murder rate is still higher than many countries.)

Capital punishment is an official recognized approval of the idea that killing people is a good way to solve problems. I suggest eliminating it as one possible step along the path to civilization.

I suggest legalizing drugs because those laws result in so many of our citizens being sent to gladiator schools called prison. Very few people are released as kinder and gentler.

Neither idea is going to have a huge immediate effect. This is a cultural problem that doesn't have quick and easy solutions. I think both (and background checks, permit process, whatever) over time contribute to a safer world.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:31:11 -0800 (PST), TimR
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 10:32:11 AM UTC-5, TimR wrote:
Every year in the US, guns kill roughly 14,000 by homicide and 22,000 by suicide.

Assault style rifles account for just under .25% of the homicide and .1% of the suicide. So the very first measure to be recommended is to ban these weapons. Why? Because as a nation we fear those guns more, even though they do less harm.

There are two things we could do to start bringing homicide rates down: legalize drugs, ban capital punishment.

Talk about imagining things, how in the world do you drag deaths from
capital punishment into this? First you claim that assault weapons account
for a very low number, then you cite executions for capital offenses,
which is a very small number and totally irrelevant, as something that
would bring the number down. Wow.


No, wait, work with me here.

I'll try.

Assault weapons kill a tiny percentage of Americans. Removing them all would by itself have little impact.

Unless you prohibited handguns. Then most of the criminals
would use assault weapons.

But Americans do kill people at a much higher rate than other industrial societies. Over time the world has become a less murderous place, and Americans have followed, but not far enough. What we need is to continue the civilization process, and to stop seeing killing people as a way to solve problems. (Getting rid of ALL firearms, our murder rate is still higher than many countries.)

Agreed. Guns don't kill people. Sociopaths kill people.
Mandatory psych exams. Problem solved. Sociopaths are surprisingly
easy to spot. Only a few would pass the tests. Anyone without the exam
caught with a gun should get a mandatory 10 years. Jail won't change
their character. It's inborn.

Capital punishment is an official recognized approval of the idea that killing people is a good way to solve problems. I suggest eliminating it as one possible step along the path to civilization.

Agreed

I suggest legalizing drugs because those laws result in so many of our citizens being sent to gladiator schools called prison. Very few people are released as kinder and gentler.

That depends on the drugs. Cannabis, LSD, mushrooms,
psilocybin, society could live with that. A "bad trip" or two(LSD),
but nothing a quick trip to the E.R. won't solve.
Opiates ... nah, too addictive. People would steal or kill to
get the next dose. And amphetamines, cocaine and crack generate
violence. I've seen otherwise placid people smoke crack and try to
take out the entire neighborhood with their bare hands.
Also, consider cost. Some States in America legalized
Cannabis, but taxed it so high that there's still an underground
industry. Complete with illegal banks to deposit the proceeds.
In Uruguay, anyone can plant his own. Criminals took a massive
hit.
Legalize softer drugs, but DON'T TAX them.
Prohibition should have served as an example. Anyone could buy
alcohol, but had to pay off the mobs, the police, politicians, judges
etc ... an indirect "tax". How did that work out?

Neither idea is going to have a huge immediate effect. This is a cultural problem that doesn't have quick and easy solutions. I think both (and background checks, permit process, whatever) over time contribute to a safer world.

[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 12/20/19 10:47 AM, Shadow wrote:
And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).

Rather than crying all the time, why don't you and Ocasio-Kotex
move to one of your socialist utopian countries.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:29:32 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 1:07:48 PM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 12:30:32 -0500, devnull wrote:

FWIW, most of the gunshot victims are jugs street thugs anyway...so who
cares?

Normal people care. I assume that by "most" you mean "not
all", and include all the mass shooting, robbery and non gang-related
victims? Who doesn't care about them?
You just failed the psych test. GratZ.

It's sadly typical for a trumptard. They pretend that minorities just shoot
each other, so it doesn't matter. They ignore that many of those minorities
are just innocent bystanders, hit by mistake or someone that's targeted
because some gangbanger thinks they looked at them the wrong way. If it
were their families, they would perhaps think differently.




Maybe if we had a better way of protecting witnesses people would step
forward and they could solve a few of these murders. The conviction
rate for murders in the ghetto are around 10-15%.

The people there know who the killers are and the cops usually do too
but they can't make a case that passes the laugh test if "nobody saw
nuffin".

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:45:08 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:24:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

Please cite for us these almost institutional attempts to keep the poor,
poor. Only thing I can think of is the welfare state, that makes it
more comfortable to not work and act irresponsibly. Funny how immigrants
like the Vietnamese that fled Vietnam and came here with nothing, in
just a few years were productive and moving on up. No institution
stopped them.


The "institution" was HHS and the Johnson "Great Society" programs
that made welfare pay better than working, as long as you didn't live
with your baby daddy.
And you really believe there would be fewer single teenaged moms,
and less crime, and less cost to society without??????????

I want some of what you are smoking, dude!!

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:47:12 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:02:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:16:56 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:01:42 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

True
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_dis tribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg

Old data, it's got worse with Trump's "politics".
The lower the number, the poorer the majority are in
comparison with the top 1%.
To the semi literate = GREEN is acceptable.
Any other color is not.
Kudos to Canada.
[]'s

The goal of socialism is to make everyone equally poor and dependant
on the government.

And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).


You are talking about homogeneous white european countries. There is
more going on there than simply that they are socialist. Maybe if we
sent them several million hard core unemployable people with criminal
tendencies and a chip on their shoulder, things wouldn't be so rosy.


Cuba should be your role model but I see they were not rated.

Cuba is a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't have "wings", they
have dictators.

They are still socialists by any definition as is Venezuela



//When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is
a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence//
[]'s

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:55:55 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:09:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:39:54 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:52:06 -0500, wrote:


Crime is a problem in general for some neighborhoods and some
demographics. In Ft Myers it was announced that virtually all of the
murders occurred in an area where 1% of the population lives.

The 1% would be the rich guys with mansions and swimming
pools?

You don't have to be rich to have a pool.

Just a wild guess, of course.

Here in Brazil it's the opposite, most violent crime occurs in
poor neighborhoods where the population is either unemployed
(unemployment is up to 30% after the right wing coup of 2015, when it
was 4.7%) or have a really low income. Independent of color or race.

Same here. It may even be more concentrated.

You seem to have snipped the really heinous crimes ... the
ones that cause poverty and the violence associated with it. Are you
guilty of something or did you forget to scroll down?

Here it is:

OTOH non-violent crime (even heinous crimes like tax evasion,
declaring bankruptcy so you don't have to pay wages, extortion,
bribing government officials, insider trading etc) occurs in the
richest zones.

Of course, the two are interconnected. One wouldn't exist
without the other.
HTH
[]'s

Tax evasion, exploiting bankruptcy laws and insider trading doesn't
leave people bleeding in the street. It also has nothing to do with
why people are locked in a cycle of poverty.

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 10:44:33 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:20:03 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:53:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 07:43:40 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:56:37 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other.

As if that's acceptable and normal.

Crime is a problem in general for some neighborhoods and some
demographics. In Ft Myers it was announced that virtually all of the
murders occurred in an area where 1% of the population lives. We seem
to have a problem dealing with that but it doesn't mean we have to
restrict the rights of the 99% because 1% can't stop being savages.



Yes, I know. You need to be able to buy your guns, just like you buy
your Bud and cigarettes. Just walk in and buy whatever you want,
no matter if you're being treated for mental illness, have ten arrests
or are a drug addict. No time for a permit process to check any of
that, it has to be just like buying beer.


Since most of the murders are by people who don't buy their guns from
a dealer, I am not sure what your law does.

Yes you do, you just won't admit it. It stops a guy like Cruz from walking
into Dicks and buying guns like they were beer. And almost every one of the
most lethal mass shootings, at the top of the news, ie where six to 50
where killed, were by murderers who bought their guns legally, ie from
a gun store. Cruz, Orlando, Las Vegas, Ohio, TX, Charleston, etc.




The ones who do these mass
shootings have no problem passing background checks.

That's a lie and you know it. Cruz, the Parkland FL school shooter
(you know, your state), would never have passed a real background
check. The police had plenty right there, in their own files, to
deny the permit. Same with the Ohio shooter and many others.



You just said
that a day or so ago yourself.

I never said any such thing. Confused again? I have said they easily
passed the very minimal background check we have, the NICS. Which is
why you would think reasonable people could agree that we need a uniform,
reasonable, real background check, conducted by the local police,
before anyone can go buy a gun.


Your fantasy that the local cops can violate HIPAA is ludicrous

Another lie. I've said many times that here in NJ, the permit includes
a statement waving health care privacy rights and allowing the police
to access them. That would be the model that all states should adopt
or that the feds should pass into law across the country. But old
men and the NRA are in the way.



and
your "Dicks" story is bull****. Cruz did not get his AR from Dick.

It's not BS, I said that Cruz bought guns at Dick, he did in fact
but at least one there. But thanks for helping my case. Upon more
investigation, Cruz actually BOUGHT TEN GUNS, ALL LEGALLY. And whether he
bought them at one gun store or another makes no difference,
no permit is required. Great gun regulation you have there in FL.
A guy with 21 police visits to his house for trouble, expelled from
school for trouble, known to the police to have mental health problems
and being under treatment, bought ten guns legally in FL!
And about this, you're bragging?

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:54:35 -0500, devnull wrote:

On 12/20/19 10:47 AM, Shadow wrote:
And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).

Rather than crying all the time, why don't you and Ocasio-Kotex
move to one of your socialist utopian countries.

Maybe the Shadow should just fix his own country and shut the **** up
about us. Their murder rate is almost 6 times ours in spite of gun
laws stricter than Trader brags about in New Jersey.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:11:02 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:45:08 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:24:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

Please cite for us these almost institutional attempts to keep the poor,
poor. Only thing I can think of is the welfare state, that makes it
more comfortable to not work and act irresponsibly. Funny how immigrants
like the Vietnamese that fled Vietnam and came here with nothing, in
just a few years were productive and moving on up. No institution
stopped them.


The "institution" was HHS and the Johnson "Great Society" programs
that made welfare pay better than working, as long as you didn't live
with your baby daddy.
And you really believe there would be fewer single teenaged moms,
and less crime, and less cost to society without??????????

Yes I do. I lived in Southeast DC (where most of the crime is now) and
I saw those programs change the neighborhood. It did drive men out of
the homes because assistance was tied to unwed mothers and fatherless
children. It also removed a lot of the incentive to work because you
could make as much money staying home as you could get in the jobs
those people were qualified for. As each generation descended deeper
into this cycle of welfare dependence things like self worth and work
ethic was lost completely. Now we are looking at 4 or even 5
generations of people addicted to welfare and crime.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 11:56:24 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 10:44:33 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:20:03 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:53:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 07:43:40 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:56:37 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other.

As if that's acceptable and normal.

Crime is a problem in general for some neighborhoods and some
demographics. In Ft Myers it was announced that virtually all of the
murders occurred in an area where 1% of the population lives. We seem
to have a problem dealing with that but it doesn't mean we have to
restrict the rights of the 99% because 1% can't stop being savages.



Yes, I know. You need to be able to buy your guns, just like you buy
your Bud and cigarettes. Just walk in and buy whatever you want,
no matter if you're being treated for mental illness, have ten arrests
or are a drug addict. No time for a permit process to check any of
that, it has to be just like buying beer.


Since most of the murders are by people who don't buy their guns from
a dealer, I am not sure what your law does.

Yes you do, you just won't admit it. It stops a guy like Cruz from walking
into Dicks and buying guns like they were beer. And almost every one of the
most lethal mass shootings, at the top of the news, ie where six to 50
where killed, were by murderers who bought their guns legally, ie from
a gun store. Cruz, Orlando, Las Vegas, Ohio, TX, Charleston, etc.



You have cited one guy and the fantasy that the cops might have kept
him from buying a gun. Bull****.
Cruz could have easily gone to another part of the state and bought
one. The local cops may have had a hunch he had a problem but it
didn't make it into a criminal record.




The ones who do these mass
shootings have no problem passing background checks.

That's a lie and you know it. Cruz, the Parkland FL school shooter
(you know, your state), would never have passed a real background
check. The police had plenty right there, in their own files, to
deny the permit. Same with the Ohio shooter and many others.


Says you



You just said
that a day or so ago yourself.

I never said any such thing. Confused again? I have said they easily
passed the very minimal background check we have, the NICS. Which is
why you would think reasonable people could agree that we need a uniform,
reasonable, real background check, conducted by the local police,
before anyone can go buy a gun.


Your fantasy that the local cops can violate HIPAA is ludicrous

Another lie. I've said many times that here in NJ, the permit includes
a statement waving health care privacy rights and allowing the police
to access them. That would be the model that all states should adopt
or that the feds should pass into law across the country. But old
men and the NRA are in the way.


There would be no second amendment if it wasn't for the NRA.

and
your "Dicks" story is bull****. Cruz did not get his AR from Dick.

It's not BS, I said that Cruz bought guns at Dick, he did in fact
but at least one there. But thanks for helping my case. Upon more
investigation, Cruz actually BOUGHT TEN GUNS, ALL LEGALLY. And whether he
bought them at one gun store or another makes no difference,
no permit is required. Great gun regulation you have there in FL.
A guy with 21 police visits to his house for trouble, expelled from
school for trouble, known to the police to have mental health problems
and being under treatment, bought ten guns legally in FL!
And about this, you're bragging?

Just stating facts.

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 2:49:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:47:12 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:02:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:16:56 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:01:42 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

True
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_dis tribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg

Old data, it's got worse with Trump's "politics".
The lower the number, the poorer the majority are in
comparison with the top 1%.
To the semi literate = GREEN is acceptable.
Any other color is not.
Kudos to Canada.
[]'s

The goal of socialism is to make everyone equally poor and dependant
on the government.

And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).


You are talking about homogeneous white european countries. There is
more going on there than simply that they are socialist. Maybe if we
sent them several million hard core unemployable people with criminal
tendencies and a chip on their shoulder, things wouldn't be so rosy.


The US is the only country with hardcore unemployable and chips on their
shoulders? Maybe the difference is that the US has a culture that
celebrate guns, shooting, violence as part of our heritage and has
more guns per capita than anywhere else? How about Australia for
example? Plenty of minorities, hardcore unemployed there too, but
there murder rate with guns is .8 compared to our 12.

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 3:07:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:11:02 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:45:08 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:24:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

Please cite for us these almost institutional attempts to keep the poor,
poor. Only thing I can think of is the welfare state, that makes it
more comfortable to not work and act irresponsibly. Funny how immigrants
like the Vietnamese that fled Vietnam and came here with nothing, in
just a few years were productive and moving on up. No institution
stopped them.


The "institution" was HHS and the Johnson "Great Society" programs
that made welfare pay better than working, as long as you didn't live
with your baby daddy.
And you really believe there would be fewer single teenaged moms,
and less crime, and less cost to society without??????????

Yes I do.

I agree with you there. Economics 101 says that when you pay for
something, subsidize it, you get more of it. With welfare, the
more children you had, the more $$ you get. Have a father in the
house? Bad, then the govt expected the father to get a job.
Welfare absolutely encouraged all of this. Welfare went from being
a local program, private in many cases, where people knew the people
getting it, to a debit card. No question there are many people who
really need welfare. But with any big govt program, there are plenty
that know how to work the system, live off of it. Same thing with
SSI. I see scum buckets that are 25 show up on TV court shows, saying they
are on SSI for attention deficit disorder. A condition no one even
heard of a few decades ago. Yet now, a scum bucket that can be on a
TV show, can't do *any* job? And better not question it, that's not
politically correct now either. He's just a poor widdle victim and
any questioning, why you're discriminating against the "handicapped".




I lived in Southeast DC (where most of the crime is now) and
I saw those programs change the neighborhood. It did drive men out of
the homes because assistance was tied to unwed mothers and fatherless
children. It also removed a lot of the incentive to work because you
could make as much money staying home as you could get in the jobs
those people were qualified for.

Bingo.



As each generation descended deeper
into this cycle of welfare dependence things like self worth and work
ethic was lost completely. Now we are looking at 4 or even 5
generations of people addicted to welfare and crime.

And the poverty rate is still the same as it was 50 years ago, when LBJ
started the war on poverty. We have seen the black out of wedlock birth
rate quadruple though, that's what we have to show for it.

In article ,
says...

Capital punishment is an official recognized approval of the idea that killing people is a good way to solve problems. I suggest eliminating it as one possible step along the path to civilization.

Agreed




As over half the crimes are commited by the same ones over and over,
capital punishment would automatically eliminate over half the crimes.

Simple solution.

In article ,
says...
ax evasion, exploiting bankruptcy laws and insider trading doesn't
leave people bleeding in the street. It also has nothing to do with
why people are locked in a cycle of poverty.



Some are not really locked in to a cycle of poverty. They could get out
if they wanted to. Saw a person outside the local Walmart begging for
money beside a sign that said Waltmart hiring $ 11 per hour.

In this part of NC that is not too bad of a wage for unskilled labor.

On 12/20/2019 3:22 PM, trader_4 wrote:
But with any big govt program, there are plenty
that know how to work the system, live off of it. Same thing with
SSI. I see scum buckets that are 25 show up on TV court shows, saying they
are on SSI for attention deficit disorder. A condition no one even
heard of a few decades ago. Yet now, a scum bucket that can be on a
TV show, can't do*any* job? And better not question it, that's not
politically correct now either. He's just a poor widdle victim and
any questioning, why you're discriminating against the "handicapped".

It's comforting to see that you are still a Republican.

--
Get off my lawn!

Grumpy Old White Guy writes:
On 12/20/2019 3:22 PM, trader_4 wrote:
But with any big govt program, there are plenty
that know how to work the system, live off of it. Same thing with
SSI. I see scum buckets that are 25 show up on TV court shows, saying they
are on SSI for attention deficit disorder. A condition no one even
heard of a few decades ago. Yet now, a scum bucket that can be on a
TV show, can't do*any* job? And better not question it, that's not
politically correct now either. He's just a poor widdle victim and
any questioning, why you're discriminating against the "handicapped".

It's comforting to see that you are still a Republican.

It's sad that you actually believe that anything on "TV Court" shows
bear any resemblance to, you know, actual reality.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:55:14 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:29:32 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 1:07:48 PM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 12:30:32 -0500, devnull wrote:

FWIW, most of the gunshot victims are jugs street thugs anyway...so who
cares?

Normal people care. I assume that by "most" you mean "not
all", and include all the mass shooting, robbery and non gang-related
victims? Who doesn't care about them?
You just failed the psych test. GratZ.

It's sadly typical for a trumptard. They pretend that minorities just shoot
each other, so it doesn't matter. They ignore that many of those minorities
are just innocent bystanders, hit by mistake or someone that's targeted
because some gangbanger thinks they looked at them the wrong way. If it
were their families, they would perhaps think differently.




Maybe if we had a better way of protecting witnesses people would step
forward and they could solve a few of these murders. The conviction
rate for murders in the ghetto are around 10-15%.

The people there know who the killers are and the cops usually do too
but they can't make a case that passes the laugh test if "nobody saw
nuffin".
And that just adds another to the statistics when "justice is done"
street style. Usually adds more than one - and so often includes
innocent bystanders. Some totally innocent - some less so.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:47:20 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:47:12 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:02:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:16:56 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:01:42 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

True
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_dis tribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg

Old data, it's got worse with Trump's "politics".
The lower the number, the poorer the majority are in
comparison with the top 1%.
To the semi literate = GREEN is acceptable.
Any other color is not.
Kudos to Canada.
[]'s

The goal of socialism is to make everyone equally poor and dependant
on the government.

And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).


You are talking about homogeneous white european countries. There is
more going on there than simply that they are socialist. Maybe if we
sent them several million hard core unemployable people with criminal
tendencies and a chip on their shoulder, things wouldn't be so rosy.


Cuba should be your role model but I see they were not rated.

Cuba is a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't have "wings", they
have dictators.

ANd it is STILL safer to walk the streets of Havana after dark than
most American cities - and even safer in the smaller centers.

They are still socialists by any definition as is Venezuela



//When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is
a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence//
[]'s

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:50:05 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:55:55 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:09:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:39:54 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:52:06 -0500, wrote:


Crime is a problem in general for some neighborhoods and some
demographics. In Ft Myers it was announced that virtually all of the
murders occurred in an area where 1% of the population lives.

The 1% would be the rich guys with mansions and swimming
pools?

You don't have to be rich to have a pool.

Just a wild guess, of course.

Here in Brazil it's the opposite, most violent crime occurs in
poor neighborhoods where the population is either unemployed
(unemployment is up to 30% after the right wing coup of 2015, when it
was 4.7%) or have a really low income. Independent of color or race.

Same here. It may even be more concentrated.

You seem to have snipped the really heinous crimes ... the
ones that cause poverty and the violence associated with it. Are you
guilty of something or did you forget to scroll down?

Here it is:

OTOH non-violent crime (even heinous crimes like tax evasion,
declaring bankruptcy so you don't have to pay wages, extortion,
bribing government officials, insider trading etc) occurs in the
richest zones.

Of course, the two are interconnected. One wouldn't exist
without the other.
HTH
[]'s

Tax evasion, exploiting bankruptcy laws and insider trading doesn't
leave people bleeding in the street. It also has nothing to do with
why people are locked in a cycle of poverty.

No???
Keep looking. A bit below the surface.
"Corporate malfeasence" causes a LOT of financial hardship at the
lower end of the scale - and a lot of REAL HURT in the middle.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:05:21 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:11:02 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:45:08 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:24:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

Please cite for us these almost institutional attempts to keep the poor,
poor. Only thing I can think of is the welfare state, that makes it
more comfortable to not work and act irresponsibly. Funny how immigrants
like the Vietnamese that fled Vietnam and came here with nothing, in
just a few years were productive and moving on up. No institution
stopped them.


The "institution" was HHS and the Johnson "Great Society" programs
that made welfare pay better than working, as long as you didn't live
with your baby daddy.
And you really believe there would be fewer single teenaged moms,
and less crime, and less cost to society without??????????

Yes I do. I lived in Southeast DC (where most of the crime is now) and
I saw those programs change the neighborhood. It did drive men out of
the homes because assistance was tied to unwed mothers and fatherless
children. It also removed a lot of the incentive to work because you
could make as much money staying home as you could get in the jobs
those people were qualified for. As each generation descended deeper
into this cycle of welfare dependence things like self worth and work
ethic was lost completely. Now we are looking at 4 or even 5
generations of people addicted to welfare and crime.


That was because of the conditions placed on the aid, and the way it
was dispensed.
Give a dog a name and it will live up to it.
Convince a total segment of society they are worthless, and they will
be worthless.
It's not the hand up that is the problem - it's the backhand.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:32:02 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...
ax evasion, exploiting bankruptcy laws and insider trading doesn't
leave people bleeding in the street. It also has nothing to do with
why people are locked in a cycle of poverty.



Some are not really locked in to a cycle of poverty. They could get out
if they wanted to. Saw a person outside the local Walmart begging for
money beside a sign that said Waltmart hiring $ 11 per hour.

In this part of NC that is not too bad of a wage for unskilled labor.
But was his mental health stable enough that he could hold onto the
job? And if not, would $11 an hour pay for the meds that would be
required to keep him employable?

Most likely answer to both questions is NO WAY!!!

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 5:51:51 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:05:21 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:11:02 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:45:08 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:24:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

Please cite for us these almost institutional attempts to keep the poor,
poor. Only thing I can think of is the welfare state, that makes it
more comfortable to not work and act irresponsibly. Funny how immigrants
like the Vietnamese that fled Vietnam and came here with nothing, in
just a few years were productive and moving on up. No institution
stopped them.


The "institution" was HHS and the Johnson "Great Society" programs
that made welfare pay better than working, as long as you didn't live
with your baby daddy.
And you really believe there would be fewer single teenaged moms,
and less crime, and less cost to society without??????????

Yes I do. I lived in Southeast DC (where most of the crime is now) and
I saw those programs change the neighborhood. It did drive men out of
the homes because assistance was tied to unwed mothers and fatherless
children. It also removed a lot of the incentive to work because you
could make as much money staying home as you could get in the jobs
those people were qualified for. As each generation descended deeper
into this cycle of welfare dependence things like self worth and work
ethic was lost completely. Now we are looking at 4 or even 5
generations of people addicted to welfare and crime.


That was because of the conditions placed on the aid, and the way it
was dispensed.
Give a dog a name and it will live up to it.
Convince a total segment of society they are worthless, and they will
be worthless.
It's not the hand up that is the problem - it's the backhand.

Funny, I thought you liked the way the Democrats did things?

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 3:25:09 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

Capital punishment is an official recognized approval of the idea that killing people is a good way to solve problems. I suggest eliminating it as one possible step along the path to civilization.

Agreed




As over half the crimes are commited by the same ones over and over,
capital punishment would automatically eliminate over half the crimes.

Simple solution.

We have life sentences, you know. And your concept seems to assume that
we have a death sentence for the first minor crime or couple of crimes.
Is that the new Amerika? There are plenty of obvious things to fix and
do that will have positive results and don't require killing anyone.

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 4:42:06 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Grumpy Old White Guy writes:
On 12/20/2019 3:22 PM, trader_4 wrote:
But with any big govt program, there are plenty
that know how to work the system, live off of it. Same thing with
SSI. I see scum buckets that are 25 show up on TV court shows, saying they
are on SSI for attention deficit disorder. A condition no one even
heard of a few decades ago. Yet now, a scum bucket that can be on a
TV show, can't do*any* job? And better not question it, that's not
politically correct now either. He's just a poor widdle victim and
any questioning, why you're discriminating against the "handicapped".

It's comforting to see that you are still a Republican.

It's sad that you actually believe that anything on "TV Court" shows
bear any resemblance to, you know, actual reality.

They pull the cases from actual civil suits filed in small claims court.
I suppose if it was on MSNBC, then it would be real? Are you denying
that there are people on SSI who could hold a job? Funny thing with SSI
too, there was a big spike up in claims circa 2009. Was there some virus
or new disease that spread across America? Or was it just that people
were going to get laid off, so they suddenly developed a condition
whereby they could milk SSI? And that's the problem that libs just
don't understand. That with any of these programs, there is huge fraud
and abuse and nothing is done to police it.

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 4:15:53 PM UTC-5, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 12/20/2019 3:22 PM, trader_4 wrote:
But with any big govt program, there are plenty
that know how to work the system, live off of it. Same thing with
SSI. I see scum buckets that are 25 show up on TV court shows, saying they
are on SSI for attention deficit disorder. A condition no one even
heard of a few decades ago. Yet now, a scum bucket that can be on a
TV show, can't do*any* job? And better not question it, that's not
politically correct now either. He's just a poor widdle victim and
any questioning, why you're discriminating against the "handicapped".

It's comforting to see that you are still a Republican.

--
Get off my lawn!

I'm not, I'm a conservative.

On 12/18/2019 7:02 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

ABC US correspondent Zoe Daniel on covering mass shootings and worrying
about her kids at school

https://www.abc.net.au/news/about/ba...sting/11795138
--
Bo


Bad as it is, she does not have to be here in the first place.

People worry so much about the gun deaths, but sweep under the rug that
in the US slightly over 100 people die every day in car accidents. Hard
telling how many get injured really bad.

Looks to me like there needs to be much more thought into how to prevent
car accidents and road rage.



We have done a LOT more about car accidents than we have gun incidents.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 2:49:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:47:12 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:02:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:16:56 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:01:42 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

True
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_dis tribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg

Old data, it's got worse with Trump's "politics".
The lower the number, the poorer the majority are in
comparison with the top 1%.
To the semi literate = GREEN is acceptable.
Any other color is not.
Kudos to Canada.
[]'s

The goal of socialism is to make everyone equally poor and dependant
on the government.

And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).


You are talking about homogeneous white european countries. There is
more going on there than simply that they are socialist. Maybe if we
sent them several million hard core unemployable people with criminal
tendencies and a chip on their shoulder, things wouldn't be so rosy.


The US is the only country with hardcore unemployable and chips on their
shoulders? Maybe the difference is that the US has a culture that
celebrate guns, shooting, violence as part of our heritage and has
more guns per capita than anywhere else? How about Australia for
example? Plenty of minorities, hardcore unemployed there too, but
there murder rate with guns is .8 compared to our 12.


If you don't see the difference, there is no sense talking any more.
Were they born out of a revolution that overthrew the government with
force and violence?

Did any of those countries have a civil war that killed 3 % of the
population then did not deal with the original issue of integrating
the slaves for 150 years ... and counting?

Are they walking distance from an active war zone in Central America
or the drug gangs in Mexico?

Have they had a failed social welfare policy for a half century?

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:32:02 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...
ax evasion, exploiting bankruptcy laws and insider trading doesn't
leave people bleeding in the street. It also has nothing to do with
why people are locked in a cycle of poverty.



Some are not really locked in to a cycle of poverty. They could get out
if they wanted to. Saw a person outside the local Walmart begging for
money beside a sign that said Waltmart hiring $ 11 per hour.

In this part of NC that is not too bad of a wage for unskilled labor.

That beggar might be making a lot more than $11 an hour, cash and he
gets to work when he wants.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 17:44:01 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:55:14 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:29:32 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 1:07:48 PM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 12:30:32 -0500, devnull wrote:

FWIW, most of the gunshot victims are jugs street thugs anyway...so who
cares?

Normal people care. I assume that by "most" you mean "not
all", and include all the mass shooting, robbery and non gang-related
victims? Who doesn't care about them?
You just failed the psych test. GratZ.

It's sadly typical for a trumptard. They pretend that minorities just shoot
each other, so it doesn't matter. They ignore that many of those minorities
are just innocent bystanders, hit by mistake or someone that's targeted
because some gangbanger thinks they looked at them the wrong way. If it
were their families, they would perhaps think differently.




Maybe if we had a better way of protecting witnesses people would step
forward and they could solve a few of these murders. The conviction
rate for murders in the ghetto are around 10-15%.

The people there know who the killers are and the cops usually do too
but they can't make a case that passes the laugh test if "nobody saw
nuffin".
And that just adds another to the statistics when "justice is done"
street style. Usually adds more than one - and so often includes
innocent bystanders. Some totally innocent - some less so.

If everyone involved understands and accepts that people die and
nobody is ever going to try to get the killer off the street, it
should be in a separate statistic, not confused with murders we do
care about.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 17:46:11 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

Cuba is a dictatorship. Dictatorships don't have "wings", they
have dictators.

ANd it is STILL safer to walk the streets of Havana after dark than
most American cities - and even safer in the smaller centers.

It was very safe for the average citizen to walk around in Berlin in
1940 too ... as long as you just did everything the government told
you to do. That is much like China today. The government takes care of
the crooks but you have to fear the government.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 17:51:47 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:05:21 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:11:02 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:45:08 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:24:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

Please cite for us these almost institutional attempts to keep the poor,
poor. Only thing I can think of is the welfare state, that makes it
more comfortable to not work and act irresponsibly. Funny how immigrants
like the Vietnamese that fled Vietnam and came here with nothing, in
just a few years were productive and moving on up. No institution
stopped them.


The "institution" was HHS and the Johnson "Great Society" programs
that made welfare pay better than working, as long as you didn't live
with your baby daddy.
And you really believe there would be fewer single teenaged moms,
and less crime, and less cost to society without??????????

Yes I do. I lived in Southeast DC (where most of the crime is now) and
I saw those programs change the neighborhood. It did drive men out of
the homes because assistance was tied to unwed mothers and fatherless
children. It also removed a lot of the incentive to work because you
could make as much money staying home as you could get in the jobs
those people were qualified for. As each generation descended deeper
into this cycle of welfare dependence things like self worth and work
ethic was lost completely. Now we are looking at 4 or even 5
generations of people addicted to welfare and crime.


That was because of the conditions placed on the aid, and the way it
was dispensed.
Give a dog a name and it will live up to it.
Convince a total segment of society they are worthless, and they will
be worthless.
It's not the hand up that is the problem - it's the backhand.

You just described the "Great Society" better than I did, Thanks.

The policies concentrated the poor in "projects" that quickly became
**** holes. The concentration of unskilled labor was in a city where
the only good jobs were for the skilled insured these became ghettoes.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 17:43:14 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 3:25:09 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

Capital punishment is an official recognized approval of the idea that killing people is a good way to solve problems. I suggest eliminating it as one possible step along the path to civilization.

Agreed




As over half the crimes are commited by the same ones over and over,
capital punishment would automatically eliminate over half the crimes.

Simple solution.

We have life sentences, you know. And your concept seems to assume that
we have a death sentence for the first minor crime or couple of crimes.
Is that the new Amerika? There are plenty of obvious things to fix and
do that will have positive results and don't require killing anyone.

The death penalty is for the worst offenders but once you have
sentenced them to life without parole and they commit another crime,
is that one free?

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 19:48:43 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 12/18/2019 7:02 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

ABC US correspondent Zoe Daniel on covering mass shootings and worrying
about her kids at school

https://www.abc.net.au/news/about/ba...sting/11795138
--
Bo


Bad as it is, she does not have to be here in the first place.

People worry so much about the gun deaths, but sweep under the rug that
in the US slightly over 100 people die every day in car accidents. Hard
telling how many get injured really bad.

Looks to me like there needs to be much more thought into how to prevent
car accidents and road rage.



We have done a LOT more about car accidents than we have gun incidents.

But nobody has talked about banning ANY KIND of car.
Using your logic on guns, they should ban any car that is capable of
going over the speed limit and whole classes of cars, suvs and trucks
should be banned outright because nobody "needs" to drive a race car,
a truck or a military like vehicle. People should have to show a need
to even own a car.

I wouldn't be surprised if you actually support that tho.

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 23:39:24 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 2:49:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:47:12 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:02:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:16:56 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:01:42 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

True
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_dis tribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg

Old data, it's got worse with Trump's "politics".
The lower the number, the poorer the majority are in
comparison with the top 1%.
To the semi literate = GREEN is acceptable.
Any other color is not.
Kudos to Canada.
[]'s

The goal of socialism is to make everyone equally poor and dependant
on the government.

And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).


You are talking about homogeneous white european countries. There is
more going on there than simply that they are socialist. Maybe if we
sent them several million hard core unemployable people with criminal
tendencies and a chip on their shoulder, things wouldn't be so rosy.


The US is the only country with hardcore unemployable and chips on their
shoulders? Maybe the difference is that the US has a culture that
celebrate guns, shooting, violence as part of our heritage and has
more guns per capita than anywhere else? How about Australia for
example? Plenty of minorities, hardcore unemployed there too, but
there murder rate with guns is .8 compared to our 12.


If you don't see the difference, there is no sense talking any more.
Were they born out of a revolution that overthrew the government with
force and violence?

No - they were born as a prison colony - which would lead you to
expect a HIGHER crime situation. And that damned revolution in the
USA was over 200 years ago.
Did any of those countries have a civil war that killed 3 % of the
population then did not deal with the original issue of integrating
the slaves for 150 years ... and counting?

The accepted number is 2% of the American population - About 625,000
- with disease killing twice as many as bullets. That would still be
equivalent to killing 6.2 million Americans today - more than VietNam
and Korea and both world wars combined.

Are they walking distance from an active war zone in Central America
or the drug gangs in Mexico?

Have they had a failed social welfare policy for a half century?
And who's fault is that????

In article ,
says...
We have done a LOT more about car accidents than we have gun incidents.

But nobody has talked about banning ANY KIND of car.
Using your logic on guns, they should ban any car that is capable of
going over the speed limit and whole classes of cars, suvs and trucks
should be banned outright because nobody "needs" to drive a race car,
a truck or a military like vehicle. People should have to show a need
to even own a car.

I wouldn't be surprised if you actually support that tho.




My logic on guns is that anyone that does not have some lawful reason
not to own a gun should have whatever he wants. No restrictions.

Seems like just about anyting can be put on the road if it fits minimum
requirements for safety and is not too large. Even the very large
things can me moved with the right permit and precautions. I have seen
houses moved down the road and the power people have to unhook the wires
to let it pass.


I have no real solution to prevent the car accidents. A few does come
to mind. Such as no eating, drinking, talking on cell phones. Another
is better speed limit enforcement. I was in a town on vacation and the
traffic was going way faster than the speed limit. I was about 10 miles
over the limit and getting passed by almost very one. A cop got behind
me and I thougth he was going to pull me over. After about 15 seconds
he saw how he could get in the other lane and pass me. This was a
highway with 3 or more lanes ineach direction.

Maybe make people loose their license for a while if convicted of the
same traffic offence in 5 years. Drunk drivers the 2nd time around go
to jail for 5 years ( you will not let me hang them).

I guess that it would be easy to put some speed limiters on cars to keep
them from going over 75. Maybe even easy to impliment sensors along the
highways (especially interstates) to limit the speed of the cars as the
limits change. I saw a TV show about the Autobon (whatever) in Germany
and it looks like they have that highway monitored from some central
points and control it very well. Looks like they may even give tickets
for following too close. I remember seeing in a Popular Science
magazine in the late 1960's that the prediction was on the interstates
we would be going 120 mph and doing it safely as it would be monitored
better. We are still doing about the same 65 to 70 on most highways
now.

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 3:13:37 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
The US is the only country with hardcore unemployable and chips on their
shoulders? Maybe the difference is that the US has a culture that
celebrate guns, shooting, violence as part of our heritage and has
more guns per capita than anywhere else?

Yes. Don't underestimate the power of societal attitudes. Culture can trump character. I'd give some references but people don't read (they hide the secrets............in books!)

And societal attitudes do change over time, and are the real answer to violent crime. Just within my lifetime we've seen some major shifts in attitudes toward drunk driving (a rite of passage when I was a kid, now something no longer condoned), physical abuse of women, racism. Not that these have disappeared - but in much more of our population they are considered wrong.

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 01:01:01 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 23:39:24 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 2:49:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:47:12 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:02:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:16:56 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:01:42 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

True
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_dis tribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg

Old data, it's got worse with Trump's "politics".
The lower the number, the poorer the majority are in
comparison with the top 1%.
To the semi literate = GREEN is acceptable.
Any other color is not.
Kudos to Canada.
[]'s

The goal of socialism is to make everyone equally poor and dependant
on the government.

And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).


You are talking about homogeneous white european countries. There is
more going on there than simply that they are socialist. Maybe if we
sent them several million hard core unemployable people with criminal
tendencies and a chip on their shoulder, things wouldn't be so rosy.


The US is the only country with hardcore unemployable and chips on their
shoulders? Maybe the difference is that the US has a culture that
celebrate guns, shooting, violence as part of our heritage and has
more guns per capita than anywhere else? How about Australia for
example? Plenty of minorities, hardcore unemployed there too, but
there murder rate with guns is .8 compared to our 12.


If you don't see the difference, there is no sense talking any more.
Were they born out of a revolution that overthrew the government with
force and violence?

No - they were born as a prison colony - which would lead you to
expect a HIGHER crime situation. And that damned revolution in the
USA was over 200 years ago.
Did any of those countries have a civil war that killed 3 % of the
population then did not deal with the original issue of integrating
the slaves for 150 years ... and counting?

The accepted number is 2% of the American population - About 625,000
- with disease killing twice as many as bullets. That would still be
equivalent to killing 6.2 million Americans today - more than VietNam
and Korea and both world wars combined.

There are people who argue that the civilian deaths were under counted
but it is still a significant event, when you include the destruction
of the economy in the south and the corrupt attempts at
reconstruction..


Are they walking distance from an active war zone in Central America
or the drug gangs in Mexico?

Have they had a failed social welfare policy for a half century?
And who's fault is that????


One person? Lyndon Johnson but the reality is the democrats as a whole
built the welfare society that became the criminal class we have to
deal with in our cities.

You also have to look at the effects of slavery. We still have guys
like Corey Booker who say we owe them reparations for that 250 year
old sin, created while we were still a British colony. The British
never did that to Australia, nor Canada. The other places like Jamaica
and the Bahamas, saddled with the same sin, are still deadly places
to go, in spite of very harsh gun laws.

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 11:41:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 2:49:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:47:12 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:02:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:16:56 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:01:42 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

--
Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

True
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/2014_Gini_Index_World_Map%2C_income_inequality_dis tribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg

Old data, it's got worse with Trump's "politics".
The lower the number, the poorer the majority are in
comparison with the top 1%.
To the semi literate = GREEN is acceptable.
Any other color is not.
Kudos to Canada.
[]'s

The goal of socialism is to make everyone equally poor and dependant
on the government.

And yet the highest standard of living is in ... socialist
countries. Look up HDI. Best schools, security, healthcare, pensions,
salaries, freedom etc for the majority of the population (try to
forget the top 1%, I know you love Bill Gates, Trump, Jeff Bezos etc,
but they are NOT the average citizen).


You are talking about homogeneous white european countries. There is
more going on there than simply that they are socialist. Maybe if we
sent them several million hard core unemployable people with criminal
tendencies and a chip on their shoulder, things wouldn't be so rosy.


The US is the only country with hardcore unemployable and chips on their
shoulders? Maybe the difference is that the US has a culture that
celebrate guns, shooting, violence as part of our heritage and has
more guns per capita than anywhere else? How about Australia for
example? Plenty of minorities, hardcore unemployed there too, but
there murder rate with guns is .8 compared to our 12.


If you don't see the difference, there is no sense talking any more.
Were they born out of a revolution that overthrew the government with
force and violence?

Sure, many have. France for example and at the same time period
as the US revolution. France's homicide rate by guns, 0.2. The US 12.
The homicide rate does correlate pretty well with the rate of gun ownership
though. Funny too, the French didn't go on to live 225 years later
in paranoia feeling they need guns.




Did any of those countries have a civil war that killed 3 % of the
population then did not deal with the original issue of integrating
the slaves for 150 years ... and counting?

We have not dealt with the issues of integration? What exactly do
you suggest we do?




Are they walking distance from an active war zone in Central America
or the drug gangs in Mexico?

Have they had a failed social welfare policy for a half century?

Well, if the US is such a melting pot of violence, with all kinds of
bad actors as the result of events 150 to 225 years ago, that's an
excellent reason that we should have a reasonable permit process,
with a real background check by the local police, BEFORE anyone
can buy a gun. Why should those people you're talking about,
be able to walk into Dicks and buy guns like they were beer?
They can be hate filled, have long arrest records, known mental
problems, be drug users, yet they can buy guns just like beer?
That makes no sense to me, nor to much of America. Call me radical.