On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 3:07:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:11:02 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:45:08 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:24:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:55:10 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:02:28 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/12/2019 20:44, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:13:52 -0500, Bob wrote:

On 12/18/19 10:23 AM, Bod wrote:
Any other country would regard 45 school shootings in one year to be
horrendous. Nearly one a day.
I can only recall the UK having just 2 in its history.

The US has the weakest gun laws in the developed world.

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Bod


It is as horrendous as your acid attacks.

There's your "yes but" bull**** defense again.
Yhe UK is not having weekly deadly attacks on multiple school children
in their schools - whether by gun, acid, knife or sarin gas doesn't
matter. It is a DISEASE in the USA - and sadly, GUNS, and in
particular automatic "assault" weapons which have NO legitimate use -
they are not hunting rifles - they are designed for one purpose, and
one purpose only - to kill people

Well put.
The "weekly attacks" are thugs in school being thugs. Some of our
schools are in combat zones. Kids in school and people outside those
schools carry guns and shoot each other. That is why you hear the
details of a shooting every year or two but they say we have one a
week. They don't want to get into the details of the others. It might
sound racist.
Not as "racist" as your vague accusatorial response. Part of the
"desease" is the teriible discrepancy between rich and poor in the USA
- and the almost institutional atempts to keep it that way. Not just
financially either.

Please cite for us these almost institutional attempts to keep the poor,
poor. Only thing I can think of is the welfare state, that makes it
more comfortable to not work and act irresponsibly. Funny how immigrants
like the Vietnamese that fled Vietnam and came here with nothing, in
just a few years were productive and moving on up. No institution
stopped them.


The "institution" was HHS and the Johnson "Great Society" programs
that made welfare pay better than working, as long as you didn't live
with your baby daddy.
And you really believe there would be fewer single teenaged moms,
and less crime, and less cost to society without??????????

Yes I do.

I agree with you there. Economics 101 says that when you pay for
something, subsidize it, you get more of it. With welfare, the
more children you had, the more $$ you get. Have a father in the
house? Bad, then the govt expected the father to get a job.
Welfare absolutely encouraged all of this. Welfare went from being
a local program, private in many cases, where people knew the people
getting it, to a debit card. No question there are many people who
really need welfare. But with any big govt program, there are plenty
that know how to work the system, live off of it. Same thing with
SSI. I see scum buckets that are 25 show up on TV court shows, saying they
are on SSI for attention deficit disorder. A condition no one even
heard of a few decades ago. Yet now, a scum bucket that can be on a
TV show, can't do *any* job? And better not question it, that's not
politically correct now either. He's just a poor widdle victim and
any questioning, why you're discriminating against the "handicapped".




I lived in Southeast DC (where most of the crime is now) and
I saw those programs change the neighborhood. It did drive men out of
the homes because assistance was tied to unwed mothers and fatherless
children. It also removed a lot of the incentive to work because you
could make as much money staying home as you could get in the jobs
those people were qualified for.

Bingo.



As each generation descended deeper
into this cycle of welfare dependence things like self worth and work
ethic was lost completely. Now we are looking at 4 or even 5
generations of people addicted to welfare and crime.

And the poverty rate is still the same as it was 50 years ago, when LBJ
started the war on poverty. We have seen the black out of wedlock birth
rate quadruple though, that's what we have to show for it.