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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
Where do you source circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
o Carling AA3-B0-24-635-5D1-C (do you have a decoder for that number?) PG&E has currently cut the power to us in California where this is the 31st sustained power outage in three years (of more than a day each, generally), so my generator has been doing triple duty as the backup source of power. Over time, this 35 amp ganged circuit breaker partially broke inside. https://i.postimg.cc/ryNkQQvY/breaker03.jpg It has "Carling Switch" molded on one side: https://i.postimg.cc/G37D8Jq6/breaker01.jpg And this barely readable paper label on the other side: https://i.postimg.cc/vmTTdpdB/breaker02.jpg The best I can make out from that data are these specs: Carling Switch Inc. AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C FL AMP 35 MAX VOLTS 227 (? hard to tell) HERTZ 50/60 DELAY 04 (? hard to tell) TRIP AMPS 43 (? hard to tell) Mexico 9513 (probably the 13th week in 1995, likely original) I called Generac's 24/7 live hotline, but they can't give me any more information than the owners manual, parts diagram, and references 888-GENERAC (888-436-3722) extension 4, extension 2 1-262-544-4811 extension 1, extension 2, extension 4, extension 2 This is the relevant page out of that Generac Owners Manual they sent me: https://i.postimg.cc/qq326cBh/Generac-Control-Panel-9067-9-16345-Page-19.jpg o #5, Generac Part Number #74969, 35 Amp Circuit Breaker Generac suggests these two outfits, who seem to charge astronomical prices: o $137.07 https://www.jackssmallengines.com/ https://www.jackssmallengines.com/jacks-parts-lookup/part/generac-engine-part/g074969 o $233.45 https://www.ordertree.com/ (877) 500-7499 x1 https://www.ordertree.com/catalog/product/view/id/2072452/s/circt-brk-35-x-2-carling-2/ Hence, the basic question of how you source basic electrical parts. Where do you source circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores? o Carling AA3-B0-24-635-5D1-C (do you have a decoder for that number?) -- Purposefully unhelpful posts from the usual trolls will be ignored. (i.e., if there is no response to your post - that means you're a troll) |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOTin typical box stores?
On 10/27/19 4:08 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
[ usual **** deleted ] This is why you don't buy Generac equipment. I used to be a service manage at a sales and service tool store. People would bring in a Generac for repair. They would NOT give us service information or sell us parts. We put them on the "**** you" list. I bought a Honda 4500 watt generator 30 years ago. The only service it's required is the battery, the air filter and the oil. As a friend of mine's brother-in-law succinctly put it, "Pay ****, get ****." -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOTin typical box stores?
On 10/27/19 4:08 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
Carling AA3-B0-24-635-5D1-C Captain Video decoder wheel: https://www.carlingtech.com/sites/default/files/documents/Carling-HM-CB-A-Series.pdf Page 37 -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOTin typical box stores?
On 10/27/19 5:08 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
Where do you source circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores? o Carling AA3-B0-24-635-5D1-C (do you have a decoder for that number?) PG&E has currently cut the power to us in California where this is the 31st sustained power outage in three years (of more than a day each, generally), so my generator has been doing triple duty as the backup source of power. Over time, this 35 amp ganged circuit breaker partially broke inside. https://i.postimg.cc/ryNkQQvY/breaker03.jpg It has "Carling Switch" molded on one side: https://i.postimg.cc/G37D8Jq6/breaker01.jpg And this barely readable paper label on the other side: https://i.postimg.cc/vmTTdpdB/breaker02.jpg The best I can make out from that data are these specs: Carling Switch Inc. AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C FL AMP 35 MAX VOLTS 227 (? hard to tell) HERTZ 50/60 DELAY 04 (? hard to tell) TRIP AMPS 43 (? hard to tell) Mexico 9513 (probably the 13th week in 1995, likely original) I called Generac's 24/7 live hotline, but they can't give me any more information than the owners manual, parts diagram, and references 888-GENERAC (888-436-3722) extension 4, extension 2 1-262-544-4811 extension 1, extension 2, extension 4, extension 2 This is the relevant page out of that Generac Owners Manual they sent me: https://i.postimg.cc/qq326cBh/Generac-Control-Panel-9067-9-16345-Page-19.jpg o #5, Generac Part Number #74969, 35 Amp Circuit Breaker Generac suggests these two outfits, who seem to charge astronomical prices: o $137.07 https://www.jackssmallengines.com/ https://www.jackssmallengines.com/jacks-parts-lookup/part/generac-engine-part/g074969 o $233.45 https://www.ordertree.com/ (877) 500-7499 x1 https://www.ordertree.com/catalog/product/view/id/2072452/s/circt-brk-35-x-2-carling-2/ Hence, the basic question of how you source basic electrical parts. Where do you source circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores? o Carling AA3-B0-24-635-5D1-C (do you have a decoder for that number?) Have you tried any of Carlings distributors in CA ? https://www.carlingtech.com/findarep?location=243 Part # decoder is on page 5 of https://www.carlingtech.com/sites/de...B-A-Series.pdf https://www.onlinecomponents.com/car...-16957461.html says they have 3 in stock in AZ |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
In article ,
Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: The best I can make out from that data are these specs: Carling Switch Inc. AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C FL AMP 35 MAX VOLTS 227 (? hard to tell) HERTZ 50/60 DELAY 04 (? hard to tell) TRIP AMPS 43 (? hard to tell) Mexico 9513 (probably the 13th week in 1995, likely original) Arlen- Take the old breaker into an Ace Hardware Store. You want something that has the same mounting and terminals, rated for 35 Amps and at least 240 Volts. The 43 "TRIP" Amps would be nice, but is not the most important parameter. Hopefully you do not normally run the generator close to its limit. I would not be surprised if Ace had the exact breaker for around $25. Fred |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOTin typical box stores?
Please ... go to HD, get a Square D breaker and rig it up. Duct tape if you have to G https://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D...35CP/202495818 |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:08:05 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder
wrote: Carling AA3-B0-24-635-5D1-C Mouser or Newark - in stock for under $30 |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 18:52:10 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:08:05 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: Carling AA3-B0-24-635-5D1-C Mouser or Newark - in stock for under $30 Make that Mouser. Newark price is WAY higherr and no longer in stock. Mouser has 10 in the warehouse |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:09:43 -0400, Bod F wrote:
On 10/27/2019 6:29 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... I used to be a service manage at a sales and service tool store. People would bring in a Generac for repair. They would NOT give us service information or sell us parts. The government should make it a law the companies have to sell to individuals the repair parts and service manuals if they have them. Years ago I was with a friend at a boat warehouse picking up some parts. A man wanted to buy a simple part,but they would not sell it to him as he was not a dealer. We bought the part for the man and sold it to him at our cost when he met us outside the warehouse. Most places would have doubled the price to him. What really hirts is if a big company buys lots of items at high dollars and the manufactor goes out of busniness and they will not give or sell you a manual on the equipment when you buy it. I think Team Amazon is teaching all those "wholesale only" assholes a painful lesson. If you are in ANY business, technically you can buy wholesale. I can't buy anything that requires a gas fitter's licence or a refrigeration licence (actually I can from a few wholesalers) but if I show my businesscard I can buy pretty much anything else I might need through my company. Automotive, small engine, electrical, plumbing, electronics, building supplies - just about anything partly duer to the structure / nature of my business and the way it is stated on my card. |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:44:02 -0400, "Retired wrote:
Have you tried any of Carlings distributors in CA ? https://www.carlingtech.com/findarep?location=243 Thanks for posting with purposefully helpful intent, where, since it's Sunday, I can call the nearest Carling folks on Monday morning. I did bring it (and missing fuses) to stores that are open on weekends, but Ace & Home Depot did not carry it (I didn't check Walmart or Lowes yet but the Home Depot guys said to give up on the box stores because of the specific shape of both the fuses and the shape of the circuit breaker): o Shape of fuses (600V, 2A) https://i.postimg.cc/MGb704vW/buss-sbs-2-600-V-fast-acting-fuse.jpg o Shape of circuit breaker (35 Amp, 2 pole) https://i.postimg.cc/T2FMp20V/breaker05.jpg Where Generac seems to use "unique dimension" parts, kind of sort of on purpose if this SBS fuse description is any indication of that observation: https://www.ferrazfuses.com/cms_admin/fckeditor/editor/filemanager/connectors/php/bin/Midget%20Gen%20Pur%20SBS.pdf Where half the "highlights" are that they have "unique dimensions!". I guess "unique dimension" as a "highlight" is a wholesaler's dream! o Buss SBS-2 (green label) "fast acting ferrule fuses" 600 Volt, 2 Amp o https://bussfuses.net/ 800.739.9145 or 918.665.6888 These SBS-2 fuses are shown on page 17 of this transfer switch OM: o #35 (Quantity 4 x two transfer switches = 8), FUSE 2A 600V PN: 73590 https://www.generator-parts.com/manuals/home-standby/078590.pdf The problem is that neither Ace nor Home Depot carries them: https://www.amazon.com/Bussmann-BBS-2-600V-Midget-Acting/dp/B00BHWLZO0 Where I admit I had to look up why it's a "ferrule" fuse: o Ferrule is a word for a simple metal band or cap of great versatility. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ferrule I called them, where it's a big company, Eaton, under Cooper Industries, where the Bussman Fuses page is here 855-287-7626 http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/public/en/bussmann.html Anyway, the fuses aren't my problem, but they do highlight the fact that Generac uses parts whose "highlight" are that they have "unique dimensions", which is why none of the box stores I checked carried them. Since BUSS fuses are easy, and cheap (about ten bucks each), my issue isn't the fuses but the circuit breaker, where you were helpful in finding good information which I appreciate. Part # decoder is on page 5 of https://www.carlingtech.com/sites/de...B-A-Series.pdf Thanks for that reference decoding Carling AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C into o AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C https://i.postimg.cc/vmTTdpdB/breaker02.jpg o A = (1) series = A o A = (2) actuator = Handle, one per pole o 2 = (3) poles = Two o B = (4) circuit = Series Trip (Current) o 0 = (5) Auxiliary/alarm switch = w/o Aux Switch o 24 = (6) Frequency & Delay = 50/60 Hz, Medium o 635 = (7) Current Rating (Amperes) = 35.000 o 5 = (8) Terminal = Screw 10-32 (Bus Type) o D = (9) Actuator = ON-OFF, Actuator Color Black, Legend White o 1 = (10) Mounting/Barriers = 6-32 x 0.195 inches, no o C = (11) Agency Approval = UL Recognized & CSA Accepted o AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C The rest of the printed specs are assumed (based on page 37): o 277VAC 50/60 Hz, 80VDC o 10,000 ON-OFF operations @ 6 per minute The spec "delay" is "medium" where it's "04" on the package: o DELAY 04 The only package spec not found in the document was this one: o TRIP AMPS 43 (? hard to tell) But where I can still make the following corrections to the OP table: o Carling Switch Inc. https://i.postimg.cc/vmTTdpdB/breaker02.jpg o AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C o FL AMP 35 o MAX VOLTS 277 o HERTZ 50/60 o DELAY 04 (? hard to tell) o TRIP AMPS 43 (? hard to tell) o Mexico 9513 (probably the 13th week in 1995, likely original) Interesting is this note on page 37: "All A-Series Circuit Breakers will trip on overload, even when the actuator is forcibly held in the ON position." https://www.onlinecomponents.com/car...-16957461.html says they have 3 in stock in AZ Thanks for finding that part with a price comparison point: o $ 92.45 onlinecomponents.com o $137.07 jackssmallengines.com o $233.45 ordertree.com Someone brought up we don't necessarily need to replace with the exact part, which, after all, clearly failed before its 10,000 actuations lifecycle; if I replace with an alternate part, it's good to know the specs (but I'll likely buy the OE part for the obvious reasons). -- As a service to the purposefully helpful posters, trolls will be ignored. |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:13:27 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote:
Make that Mouser. Newark price is WAY higherr and no longer in stock. Mouser has 10 in the warehouse Thanks Clare for that purposefully helpful lookup, where I may have made an inadvertent typo at some point, as it's AA2 (2 pole), not AA3 (3 pole): o AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C https://i.postimg.cc/vmTTdpdB/breaker02.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/T2FMp20V/breaker05.jpg Mouser doesn't stock this part, but they do have a decent datasheet: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/65/A-Series_Details__26_COS_030314-345780.pdf I will need to call Mouser during business hours for price & availability: o (800) 346-6873, (817) 804-3888 Unfortunately, Newark also says "Not Normally Stocked": https://www.newark.com/carling-technologies/aa2-b0-24-635-5d1-c/a-series-circuit-breaker-rohs/dp/88H2049?ost=AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C But at least they list a price, where, the going "fair" rate is about $100 o $ 92.45 onlinecomponents.com o $ 95.53 newark.com o $137.07 jackssmallengines.com o $233.45 ordertree.com The question is mainly HOW do you guys get hard-to-find electrical parts. BTW, the smoke is everywhere easily smelled, strongly in the air, with that classic wood burning smell, where the most recent time this happened was the Paradise Fire, where the smoke traveled hundreds of miles to blanket the Silicon Valley as this smoke is just now starting to do today with the picking up of the wind in the past few hours. |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 01:54:16 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder
wrote: On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:13:27 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: Make that Mouser. Newark price is WAY higherr and no longer in stock. Mouser has 10 in the warehouse Thanks Clare for that purposefully helpful lookup, where I may have made an inadvertent typo at some point, as it's AA2 (2 pole), not AA3 (3 pole): o AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C https://i.postimg.cc/vmTTdpdB/breaker02.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/T2FMp20V/breaker05.jpg Mouser doesn't stock this part, but they do have a decent datasheet: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/65/A-Series_Details__26_COS_030314-345780.pdf I will need to call Mouser during business hours for price & availability: o (800) 346-6873, (817) 804-3888 Unfortunately, Newark also says "Not Normally Stocked": https://www.newark.com/carling-technologies/aa2-b0-24-635-5d1-c/a-series-circuit-breaker-rohs/dp/88H2049?ost=AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C But at least they list a price, where, the going "fair" rate is about $100 o $ 92.45 onlinecomponents.com o $ 95.53 newark.com o $137.07 jackssmallengines.com o $233.45 ordertree.com The question is mainly HOW do you guys get hard-to-find electrical parts. BTW, the smoke is everywhere easily smelled, strongly in the air, with that classic wood burning smell, where the most recent time this happened was the Paradise Fire, where the smoke traveled hundreds of miles to blanket the Silicon Valley as this smoke is just now starting to do today with the picking up of the wind in the past few hours. What "I" would do, in all likelihood, is CONVERT it to a standard more easily available part. Like a QOB. Just have to work out a mounting method. |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:17:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd wrote:
if you have a part number, eBay or Amazon. SquareD QOB235 runs about $30 Thanks for that purposefully helpful advice on considering this breaker: o Square D QOB235 2 Pole Circuit Breaker https://www.superbreakers.net/2-pole-circuit-breakers/square-d-qob235-35-amp It would be nice if the circuit breaker fits reasonably well in the front: https://i.postimg.cc/63Z0x60t/generac-circuit-breaker-panel.jpg Where, in the rear, it's less important how things bolt together: https://i.postimg.cc/ryNkQQvY/breaker03.jpg Where the Carling uses four 10-32 terminal bolts (lug type). I thank you for not trolling, since it takes zero energy for the trolls to troll while you went to the trouble to find a decent fit, where what I'll do is trace out a paper cutout on the generator and take it with me to Home Depot or Ace to see if the $30 "Square D QOB235 2 Pole Circuit Breaker" can be retrofitted into that front panel hole. Thanks for spending energy to bring items of value to the Usenet potluck. -- For Jeff Liebermann and anyone interested, the smell of fire is all over Silicon Valley tonight, which the winds brougth suddenly, where a pall hangs over the valley, with a very strong odor of burning wood. |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 22:37:59 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 01:54:16 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:13:27 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: Make that Mouser. Newark price is WAY higherr and no longer in stock. Mouser has 10 in the warehouse Thanks Clare for that purposefully helpful lookup, where I may have made an inadvertent typo at some point, as it's AA2 (2 pole), not AA3 (3 pole): o AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C https://i.postimg.cc/vmTTdpdB/breaker02.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/T2FMp20V/breaker05.jpg Mouser doesn't stock this part, but they do have a decent datasheet: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/65/A-Series_Details__26_COS_030314-345780.pdf I will need to call Mouser during business hours for price & availability: o (800) 346-6873, (817) 804-3888 Unfortunately, Newark also says "Not Normally Stocked": https://www.newark.com/carling-technologies/aa2-b0-24-635-5d1-c/a-series-circuit-breaker-rohs/dp/88H2049?ost=AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C But at least they list a price, where, the going "fair" rate is about $100 o $ 92.45 onlinecomponents.com o $ 95.53 newark.com o $137.07 jackssmallengines.com o $233.45 ordertree.com The question is mainly HOW do you guys get hard-to-find electrical parts. BTW, the smoke is everywhere easily smelled, strongly in the air, with that classic wood burning smell, where the most recent time this happened was the Paradise Fire, where the smoke traveled hundreds of miles to blanket the Silicon Valley as this smoke is just now starting to do today with the picking up of the wind in the past few hours. What "I" would do, in all likelihood, is CONVERT it to a standard more easily available part. Like a QOB. Just have to work out a mounting method. That is a very normal form factor for industrial equipment. |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:53:54 -0400, wrote:
What "I" would do, in all likelihood, is CONVERT it to a standard more easily available part. Like a QOB. Just have to work out a mounting method. That is a very normal form factor for industrial equipment. This thread is about how to source hard-to-find electrical parts. Given results below, the summary is things "can" be sourced. o But there must be a better way to source hard-to-find parts. For those times you want the part in your hand today. While converting to a different part, particularly from a part that clearly failed prior to its 10,000 cycle rating, often works, and, I've often Rube Goldberg'd myself, given this is an electrical component attached to the mains, and given it has to be "to code", and given that it can kick in when I'm not home, my FIRST CHOICE (for the minor price difference of $30 for a different part & $100 for the right part anyway), is to try to source the correct part that has bolt holes in it, rather than an alternative that doesn't fit the weathertight outdoor generator enclosure attached to a huge source of propane: https://i.postimg.cc/63Z0x60t/generac-circuit-breaker-panel.jpg Anyway, this thread is really not about the part per se, but how to SOURCE hard-to-find electrical parts, which is more of a TECHNIQUE than anything else. On technique, I learned a lot about phone calls in the past few hours... a. Part: Carling AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C 35-amp circuit breaker b. Carling: https://www.carlingtech.com/findarep?location=243 c. Carling suggests the long list of distributors (alphabetically) d. Bridge: 408-335-6700 (you need to pick a person & leave a msg) e. Avnet: 408-435-3500 (4-5 weeks lead time, $86.42) f. Bates: 408-400-9586 (the number has been disconnected) g. Digikey: 800-344-4539 (global sales only, min quantity is 20 parts) h. Master: 408-970-8090 (not in stock locally, two weeks, $92.45) i. Mouser: 817-804-3888 (not in stock, can send quote) j. Newark: 800-463-9275 (not in stock, minimum order is 2) k. Sager: 408-544-9500 (not in stock locally, can be ordered, $71.48) l. TTI: 510-668-0830 (not in stock, can only order in bulk) That's for the (mostly) local Carling so-called "distributors". Now we get to local electrical parts suppliers... m. AlexanderElec: 831-457-3911 (left message) n. BayPower: 408-998-2980 (they don't stock, and can't order) o. CupertinoElec: 408-808-8000 (don't deal with individuals) p. Eckerman: 831-252-0987 (doesn't have any resource I don't have) q. EdgesElec: 408-293-5818 (don't stock, don't order) r. NicoElec: 408-446-4141 (left message) s. Pfeiffer: 408-436-8523 (they don't do residential) t. SprigElec: 408-298-3134 (transferred to sales, left message) Where we already knew, from Generac, of these online sites: u. onlinecomponents.com $ 92.45 (stock situation unknown) v. jackssmallengines.com $137.07 (stock situation unknown) w. ordertree.com $233.45 (stock situation unknown) And, of course, there is always the Internet: x. Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/dp/B00FV1ZJ7M y. FusesUnlimited https://www.fusesunlimited.com/circuit-protection-detail/carling/aa2-b0-24-635-5d1-c z. Walmart https://www.walmart.com/ip/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/213199082 Given those results, the summary is things "can" be sourced. o But there must be a better way to source hard-to-find parts. For those times you want the part in your hand today. -- BTW, PG&E says there will be "another" outage on Tuesday 10/29, which, is odd, because we're still in the first outage from Saturday... and, get this, at least where I live, the winds have been almost nothing all this time. (Although I know what matters are wider area weather patterns.) |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:38:17 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder
wrote: On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:53:54 -0400, wrote: What "I" would do, in all likelihood, is CONVERT it to a standard more easily available part. Like a QOB. Just have to work out a mounting method. That is a very normal form factor for industrial equipment. This thread is about how to source hard-to-find electrical parts. Given results below, the summary is things "can" be sourced. o But there must be a better way to source hard-to-find parts. For those times you want the part in your hand today. While converting to a different part, particularly from a part that clearly failed prior to its 10,000 cycle rating, often works, and, I've often Rube Goldberg'd myself, given this is an electrical component attached to the mains, and given it has to be "to code", and given that it can kick in when I'm not home, my FIRST CHOICE (for the minor price difference of $30 for a different part & $100 for the right part anyway), is to try to source the correct part that has bolt holes in it, rather than an alternative that doesn't fit the weathertight outdoor generator enclosure attached to a huge source of propane: https://i.postimg.cc/63Z0x60t/generac-circuit-breaker-panel.jpg Anyway, this thread is really not about the part per se, but how to SOURCE hard-to-find electrical parts, which is more of a TECHNIQUE than anything else. On technique, I learned a lot about phone calls in the past few hours... a. Part: Carling AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C 35-amp circuit breaker b. Carling: https://www.carlingtech.com/findarep?location=243 c. Carling suggests the long list of distributors (alphabetically) d. Bridge: 408-335-6700 (you need to pick a person & leave a msg) e. Avnet: 408-435-3500 (4-5 weeks lead time, $86.42) f. Bates: 408-400-9586 (the number has been disconnected) g. Digikey: 800-344-4539 (global sales only, min quantity is 20 parts) h. Master: 408-970-8090 (not in stock locally, two weeks, $92.45) i. Mouser: 817-804-3888 (not in stock, can send quote) j. Newark: 800-463-9275 (not in stock, minimum order is 2) k. Sager: 408-544-9500 (not in stock locally, can be ordered, $71.48) l. TTI: 510-668-0830 (not in stock, can only order in bulk) That's for the (mostly) local Carling so-called "distributors". Now we get to local electrical parts suppliers... m. AlexanderElec: 831-457-3911 (left message) n. BayPower: 408-998-2980 (they don't stock, and can't order) o. CupertinoElec: 408-808-8000 (don't deal with individuals) p. Eckerman: 831-252-0987 (doesn't have any resource I don't have) q. EdgesElec: 408-293-5818 (don't stock, don't order) r. NicoElec: 408-446-4141 (left message) s. Pfeiffer: 408-436-8523 (they don't do residential) t. SprigElec: 408-298-3134 (transferred to sales, left message) Where we already knew, from Generac, of these online sites: u. onlinecomponents.com $ 92.45 (stock situation unknown) v. jackssmallengines.com $137.07 (stock situation unknown) w. ordertree.com $233.45 (stock situation unknown) And, of course, there is always the Internet: x. Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/dp/B00FV1ZJ7M y. FusesUnlimited https://www.fusesunlimited.com/circuit-protection-detail/carling/aa2-b0-24-635-5d1-c z. Walmart https://www.walmart.com/ip/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/213199082 Given those results, the summary is things "can" be sourced. o But there must be a better way to source hard-to-find parts. For those times you want the part in your hand today. If you can live with a 30 or a 40, Grainger has them for $32. They might be able to order the 35 but you are out a few weeks I imagine. What do you have in the transfer equipment at the panel? If you have a 35 protecting it at the panel for overloads, a 40 will adequately protect the feeder for short circuit. |
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:38:17 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder
wrote: On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:53:54 -0400, wrote: What "I" would do, in all likelihood, is CONVERT it to a standard more easily available part. Like a QOB. Just have to work out a mounting method. That is a very normal form factor for industrial equipment. This thread is about how to source hard-to-find electrical parts. Given results below, the summary is things "can" be sourced. o But there must be a better way to source hard-to-find parts. For those times you want the part in your hand today. While converting to a different part, particularly from a part that clearly failed prior to its 10,000 cycle rating, often works, and, I've often Rube Goldberg'd myself, given this is an electrical component attached to the mains, and given it has to be "to code", and given that it can kick in when I'm not home, my FIRST CHOICE (for the minor price difference of $30 for a different part & $100 for the right part anyway), is to try to source the correct part that has bolt holes in it, rather than an alternative that doesn't fit the weathertight outdoor generator enclosure attached to a huge source of propane: https://i.postimg.cc/63Z0x60t/generac-circuit-breaker-panel.jpg Anyway, this thread is really not about the part per se, but how to SOURCE hard-to-find electrical parts, which is more of a TECHNIQUE than anything else. On technique, I learned a lot about phone calls in the past few hours... a. Part: Carling AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C 35-amp circuit breaker b. Carling: https://www.carlingtech.com/findarep?location=243 c. Carling suggests the long list of distributors (alphabetically) d. Bridge: 408-335-6700 (you need to pick a person & leave a msg) e. Avnet: 408-435-3500 (4-5 weeks lead time, $86.42) f. Bates: 408-400-9586 (the number has been disconnected) g. Digikey: 800-344-4539 (global sales only, min quantity is 20 parts) h. Master: 408-970-8090 (not in stock locally, two weeks, $92.45) i. Mouser: 817-804-3888 (not in stock, can send quote) j. Newark: 800-463-9275 (not in stock, minimum order is 2) k. Sager: 408-544-9500 (not in stock locally, can be ordered, $71.48) l. TTI: 510-668-0830 (not in stock, can only order in bulk) That's for the (mostly) local Carling so-called "distributors". Now we get to local electrical parts suppliers... m. AlexanderElec: 831-457-3911 (left message) n. BayPower: 408-998-2980 (they don't stock, and can't order) o. CupertinoElec: 408-808-8000 (don't deal with individuals) p. Eckerman: 831-252-0987 (doesn't have any resource I don't have) q. EdgesElec: 408-293-5818 (don't stock, don't order) r. NicoElec: 408-446-4141 (left message) s. Pfeiffer: 408-436-8523 (they don't do residential) t. SprigElec: 408-298-3134 (transferred to sales, left message) Where we already knew, from Generac, of these online sites: u. onlinecomponents.com $ 92.45 (stock situation unknown) v. jackssmallengines.com $137.07 (stock situation unknown) w. ordertree.com $233.45 (stock situation unknown) And, of course, there is always the Internet: x. Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/dp/B00FV1ZJ7M y. FusesUnlimited https://www.fusesunlimited.com/circuit-protection-detail/carling/aa2-b0-24-635-5d1-c z. Walmart https://www.walmart.com/ip/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/213199082 Given those results, the summary is things "can" be sourced. o But there must be a better way to source hard-to-find parts. For those times you want the part in your hand today. Look at "Panel, 6-32 mounting type" https://www.grainger.com/category/electrical/power-management-circuit-protection-and-distribution/distribution-circuit-breakers-and-temporary-power-solutions/circuit-breakers/panel-mount-circuit-breakers |
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:38:17 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder
wrote: On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:53:54 -0400, wrote: What "I" would do, in all likelihood, is CONVERT it to a standard more easily available part. Like a QOB. Just have to work out a mounting method. That is a very normal form factor for industrial equipment. This thread is about how to source hard-to-find electrical parts. Given results below, the summary is things "can" be sourced. o But there must be a better way to source hard-to-find parts. For those times you want the part in your hand today. While converting to a different part, particularly from a part that clearly failed prior to its 10,000 cycle rating, often works, and, I've often Rube Goldberg'd myself, given this is an electrical component attached to the mains, and given it has to be "to code", and given that it can kick in when I'm not home, my FIRST CHOICE (for the minor price difference of $30 for a different part & $100 for the right part anyway), is to try to source the correct part that has bolt holes in it, rather than an alternative that doesn't fit the weathertight outdoor generator enclosure attached to a huge source of propane: https://i.postimg.cc/63Z0x60t/generac-circuit-breaker-panel.jpg Anyway, this thread is really not about the part per se, but how to SOURCE hard-to-find electrical parts, which is more of a TECHNIQUE than anything else. On technique, I learned a lot about phone calls in the past few hours... a. Part: Carling AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C 35-amp circuit breaker b. Carling: https://www.carlingtech.com/findarep?location=243 c. Carling suggests the long list of distributors (alphabetically) d. Bridge: 408-335-6700 (you need to pick a person & leave a msg) e. Avnet: 408-435-3500 (4-5 weeks lead time, $86.42) f. Bates: 408-400-9586 (the number has been disconnected) g. Digikey: 800-344-4539 (global sales only, min quantity is 20 parts) h. Master: 408-970-8090 (not in stock locally, two weeks, $92.45) i. Mouser: 817-804-3888 (not in stock, can send quote) j. Newark: 800-463-9275 (not in stock, minimum order is 2) k. Sager: 408-544-9500 (not in stock locally, can be ordered, $71.48) l. TTI: 510-668-0830 (not in stock, can only order in bulk) That's for the (mostly) local Carling so-called "distributors". Now we get to local electrical parts suppliers... m. AlexanderElec: 831-457-3911 (left message) n. BayPower: 408-998-2980 (they don't stock, and can't order) o. CupertinoElec: 408-808-8000 (don't deal with individuals) p. Eckerman: 831-252-0987 (doesn't have any resource I don't have) q. EdgesElec: 408-293-5818 (don't stock, don't order) r. NicoElec: 408-446-4141 (left message) s. Pfeiffer: 408-436-8523 (they don't do residential) t. SprigElec: 408-298-3134 (transferred to sales, left message) Where we already knew, from Generac, of these online sites: u. onlinecomponents.com $ 92.45 (stock situation unknown) v. jackssmallengines.com $137.07 (stock situation unknown) w. ordertree.com $233.45 (stock situation unknown) And, of course, there is always the Internet: x. Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/dp/B00FV1ZJ7M y. FusesUnlimited https://www.fusesunlimited.com/circuit-protection-detail/carling/aa2-b0-24-635-5d1-c z. Walmart https://www.walmart.com/ip/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/213199082 Given those results, the summary is things "can" be sourced. o But there must be a better way to source hard-to-find parts. For those times you want the part in your hand today. If you want an uncommon part in your hand today, Rots of Ruck my friend. The only way around it is to "rube" a common part to fit or pay the exhorbitant prices charged by those who MAY have the part in stock because they "service" that particular device that needs the part. The FACT that it is a "common industrial part" does not help the common man source one in an emergency. That brings up another point though - were you not aware MONTHS ago that the genset was not functioning properly? I seem to remember you making a half-assed attempt at getting information about it WAYYYY back. The time to find out it needed that breaker , and sourcing it at leisure was THEN. |
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:42:59 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote:
That brings up another point though - were you not aware MONTHS ago that the genset was not functioning properly? I seem to remember you making a half-assed attempt at getting information about it WAYYYY back. The time to find out it needed that breaker , and sourcing it at leisure was THEN. Hi Clare, You have a good memory, but, not quite good enough (I say that in good humor, as you do have a good memory, as do I on such things.) Fact is, it's not that simple, where the problem is always in DEBUGGING. https://i.postimg.cc/V6L4ZxZw/transfer07.jpg Last time, I thought the problem was the relays, which, you'll see in this picture, were each labeled and then swapped (since the two 100Amp transfer panels are duplicates), and yet, they failed the same both ways. https://i.postimg.cc/kgm2pFDw/generac-transfer-panel-solenoid.jpg We also didn't know if the problem was in the actual transfer solenoid, which, I must add, for one, I had to manually flip it, even this time, but with some things broken, I'm not sure if that's a first order or second order effect. Thirdly, there were two fuses missing, where I replaced those two fuses in the interim. And, fourthly, while I'm sure there is a testing sequence, you never really get to test these things under real world circumstances until power goes out. Luckily, out here, in California, we don't have to wait long for THAT to happen, now do we? In short, it wasn't until I did all that and the power went out, that I realized it was something else, which is when I finally took the breaker out and realized it was half broken (it doesn't LOOK bad from the outside, but it's bad in the inside). Who knew? Not me. Until recently. And, I only found out today, after three days running on propane, that the battery was at 6volts, where who knows WHY the battery isn't charging when the generator is running... https://i.postimg.cc/c1Q5NF6n/generac-battery-charge.jpg Luckily, Rube Goldberg borrowed a car, to jump the generator, and then another battery to use to run the generator, and then with the power in the house, I'm charging the original battery that has been on the generator for the past 3 days due to the PG&E mismanagement outage. |
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 04:47:15 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
Look at "Panel, 6-32 mounting type" You sir, are a veritable genius! Thank you for the purposefully helpful advice which you could only have found by extensive searches since nobody else knew of that but you! More to come! UPDATE: o SUGGESTION: SAVE THIS POST (IT CONTAINS VALUABLE SOURCES!) This thread contains a TESTED WORKING PROCESS for hard-to-find parts o At the best price & stock possible, in quantities of 1, for homeowners Being a good Usenet citizen, not only do I put energy into providing tons of detail within the thread, but I always try to summarize the solution, so that others coming here, in the foreseeable future, benefit from our efforts), where this summary will reside in the permanent web-searchable archives: This summary will reside in these permanent web-searchable archives: o http://tinyurl.com/alt-home-repair o http://tinyurl.com/sci-electronics-repair o http://tinyurl.com/alt-engineering-electrical And in these permanent web searchable Usenet archives: o http://alt.home.repair.narkive.com o http://sci.electronics.repair.narkive.com o http://alt.engineering.electrical.narkive.com The goal was to source "things like" the following part: https://i.postimg.cc/ryNkQQvY/breaker03.jpg o #5, Generac Part Number #74969, 35 Amp Circuit Breaker https://i.postimg.cc/qq326cBh/Generac-Control-Panel-9067-9-16345-Page-19.jpg Home box stores were an instant fail, where those of you in the know would have known that before I even attempted Lowes, Ace, Home Depot, etc. Also, the local electrical supply shops (roughly about dozen I called in the Silicon Valley), were (rather shockingly) completely clueless how to obtain the part in stock (that was, perhaps, my biggest shock). o AlexanderElec: 831-457-3911 (left message) o BayPower: 408-998-2980 (they don't stock, and can't order) o CupertinoElec: 408-808-8000 (don't deal with individuals) o Eckerman: 831-252-0987 (doesn't have any resource I don't have) o EdgesElec: 408-293-5818 (don't stock, don't order) o NicoElec: 408-446-4141 (left message) o Pfeiffer: 408-436-8523 (they don't do residential) o SprigElec: 408-298-3134 (transferred to sales, left message) Generac doesn't normally recommend suppliers, but after three calls, I found one second-level tech who privately suggested these suppliers: o http://onlinecomponents.com $ 92.45 (stock situation unknown) o http://jackssmallengines.com $137.07 (stock situation unknown) o http://ordertree.com $233.45 (stock situation unknown) Searching on the net by Generac part number isn't as useful as searching by the original part number, which, luckily, was still (barely) visible: https://i.postimg.cc/vmTTdpdB/breaker02.jpg AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C 1. A - Series A, 277VAC, 80VDC, 10,000 cycles 2. A - one handle per pole 3. 2 - two poles 4. B - series trip current 5. 0 - w/o aux 6. 24 - medium delay (04), 50/60Hz 7. 635 - 35 amp, trip at 43 amp 8. 5 - bolt-on rear connections 10-32 bolts (very important) 9. D - labeling is ON/OFF in white, everything else black 10. 1 - 6-32 x 0.195 inches 11. C - UL approved, CSA certified o Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/dp/B00FV1ZJ7M o FusesUnlimited https://www.fusesunlimited.com/circuit-protection-detail/carling/aa2-b0-24-635-5d1-c o Walmart https://www.walmart.com/ip/Carling-Technologies-AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C-Circuit-Breaker/213199082 Carling, themselves part of a huge conglomerate, had a lost of a score or so of local "recommended distributors", again, only a very few of which had the part in stock who would sell in quantities of 1, but at a high price - but it turns out there's a better way (see trick later in this post) to bypass that score of parts distributor phone calls. Carling AA2-B0-24-635-5D1-C 35-amp circuit breaker o Carling: https://www.carlingtech.com/findarep?location=243 o Bridge: 408-335-6700 (you need to pick a person & leave a msg) o Avnet: 408-435-3500 (4-5 weeks lead time, $86.42) o Bates: 408-400-9586 (the number has been disconnected) o Digikey: 800-344-4539 (global sales only, min quantity is 20 parts) o Master: 408-970-8090 (not in stock locally, two weeks, $92.45) o Mouser: 817-804-3888 (not in stock, can send quote) o Newark: 800-463-9275 (not in stock, minimum order is 2) o Sager: 408-544-9500 (not in stock locally, can be ordered, $71.48) o TTI: 510-668-0830 (not in stock, can only order in bulk) Thanks to the purposefully helpful suggestion by gfretwell, I called Grainger who put me in touch with technical support who told me that they definitely do not carry and cannot purchase the "right" circuit breaker, but that the 40-amp circuit breaker might work in a pinch. The critical items, of course, are the type of rear connection, which is what's different in the two Grainger alternatives, but which isn't obvious in the Grainger photos because the photos don't show the all important rear of the circuit breaker (spade type tend to vibrate off in generator applications, I'm told, and anyway, it's an unnecessary retrofit). The 40-amp Carling breaker that Grainger does carry, as gfretwell astutely noted though, is pretty damn close (far better than the SquareD Q0B235, which was also a purposefully helpful suggestion that was posed prior). https://www.grainger.com/category/electrical/power-management-circuit-protection-and-distribution/distribution-circuit-breakers-and-temporary-power-solutions/circuit-breakers/panel-mount-circuit-breakers Circuit Breaker, Magnetic Circuit Breaker Type, Toggle Switch Type, Number of Poles: 2 Grainger # 10C608 Mfr. Model # BA2-B0-34-640-521-C Catalog Page # 201 UNSPSC # 39121601 https://www.grainger.com/product/CARLING-TECHNOLOGIES-Circuit-Breaker-10C608 Circuit Breaker, Magnetic Circuit Breaker Type, Toggle Switch Type, Number of Poles: 2 Grainger # 3XC74 Mfr. Model # CA2-BO-34-640-111-C Catalog Page # 201 UNSPSC # 39121602 https://www.grainger.com/product/CARLING-TECHNOLOGIES-Circuit-Breaker-3XC74 I had never called Grainger before (always assuming they're the most expensive), but, at $40 anyway, they are actually the cheapest, by far, but they too didn't have the right part. In the end, the BEST solution (if we don't go with the alternatives), is this URL which was kindly supplied to be by one of the Carling distributors (who said it's what _he uses_ to source _his_ parts!): http://eciaauthorized.com *That's a neat trick!* o *My advice is to _SAVE THAT URL_*! (That one URL is better than almost everything attempted to date to obtain the part in stock at the best price possible today.) BTW, Bob Engelhardt, who purposefully helpfully and very kindly suggested the SquareD Q0B235 was on to something when he noted that the original part clearly failed its 10,000 cycle promise, as that breaker couldn't possibly have had more than a few score cycles in its short lifetime, given that it's not a part you generally touch unless you're working on the generator and want to disconnect it from the house (where you're more likely to just pull the 15-amp generator fuse on the front panel to prevent a start): https://i.postimg.cc/63Z0x60t/generac-circuit-breaker-panel.jpg That 15-amp fuse is item #10 in this Generac exploded diagram): https://i.postimg.cc/qq326cBh/Generac-Control-Panel-9067-9-16345-Page-19.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Zqf00Y5K/Generac-Generator-Wiriing-Diagram-9067-9-16345-Page-14.jpg The part is on order, thanks to purposefully helpful folks on this repair-related group. -- Usenet is a great resource for homeowners with electrical problems to fix! The adult audience will appreciate that I never responded to the incessant childish trolling by the likes of Snit (aka Fox's Mercantile) and Peter Wieck (aka ) both of whom (and common trolls like them) are on the permanent record (for their grandchildren, perhaps to read) as only posting to satisfy their own childish amusement needs, sadly. |
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On 11/1/19 10:40 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
o SUGGESTION: SAVE THIS POST (IT CONTAINS VALUABLE SOURCES!) No, it contains your usual useless going on and on and on about something most people don't give a **** about. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
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Based upon what Fox's Mercantile said...
On 11/1/19 10:40 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: o SUGGESTION: SAVE THIS POST (IT CONTAINS VALUABLE SOURCES!) No, it contains your usual useless going on and on and on about something most people don't give a **** about. Why don't you shut the **** up! |
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On 11/2/19 7:56 PM, Tilbury wrote:
Why don't you shut the **** up! Oh that's just precious. Is that the best you can come up with? Did you have to masturbate after sending it? -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:09:19 -0600, Fox's Mercantile responded :
On 11/2/19 7:56 PM, Tilbury wrote: Why don't you shut the **** up! Oh that's just precious. Is that the best you can come up with? Did you have to masturbate after sending it? asshole |
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On 11/3/19 4:37 PM, Alojzy Bednarz wrote:
On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:09:19 -0600, Fox's Mercantile responded : On 11/2/19 7:56 PM, Tilbury wrote: Why don't you shut the **** up! Oh that's just precious. Is that the best you can come up with? Did you have to masturbate after sending it? asshole Well, yes. And damned proud of it. I have no use for people like, you, Tilbury or Arlen. Next! -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
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Arlen _G_ Holder writes:
And, I only found out today, after three days running on propane, that the battery was at 6volts, where who knows WHY the battery isn't charging when the generator is running... https://i.postimg.cc/c1Q5NF6n/generac-battery-charge.jpg So plug a battery charger into the generator and hook it across the battery.. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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On 12/16/19 11:30 AM, David Lesher wrote:
Arlen _G_ Holder writes: And, I only found out today, after three days running on propane, that the battery was at 6volts, where who knows WHY the battery isn't charging when the generator is running... https://i.postimg.cc/c1Q5NF6n/generac-battery-charge.jpg So plug a battery charger into the generator and hook it across the battery.. If only there was a detailed guide available on the net. |
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Where do you source 35 Amp 220VAC circuit breakers that are NOT in typical box stores?
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: Arlen _G_ Holder writes: And, I only found out today, after three days running on propane, that the battery was at 6volts, where who knows WHY the battery isn't charging when the generator is running... https://i.postimg.cc/c1Q5NF6n/generac-battery-charge.jpg So plug a battery charger into the generator and hook it across the battery.. Could be a bad, overcharged battery with greyed out cells, which are failed cells. One way to get better longevity and lower maintenance is to replace that lead pig with a LiFePo. Quite expensive, but you get what you pay for. Like LED light bulbs, the cost is amortized over the savings in longevity, in personal time and reduced lead exposure to yourself and the environment (for the battery). It is like OLED TVs. Better costs more. LiFePo batteries are not more expensive to manufacture, they are like Donald J. Trump, and his psychological manipulations. They saw a lightweight product that does the same as this nasty, old, acid filled ****box, and they knew that a jacked up price point would be met by demand. He played on the stupid half of America and fooled them all, and even some of the smart side doesn't see his bull****. They will always be overpriced and their makers will enjoy a higher ROI as a result. BUT that is what you 'want' or 'need' to be able to relax. Unlike America and Trump. We need never put a joker like that in power again. But I digress... again. Also, the charging of said battery is a low current affair, so the device keeping it topped off is less of a tax on your generator system. |
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On 12/17/19 9:39 AM, wrote:
It is like OLED TVs. Better costs more. LiFePo batteries are not more expensive to manufacture, they are like Donald J. Trump, and his psychological manipulations. They saw a lightweight product that does the same as this nasty, old, acid filled ****box, and they knew that a jacked up price point would be met by demand. He played on the stupid half of America and fooled them all, and even some of the smart side doesn't see his bull****. They will always be overpriced and their makers will enjoy a higher ROI as a result. BUT that is what you 'want' or 'need' to be able to relax. Unlike America and Trump. We need never put a joker like that in power again. But I digress... again. Since you brought politics into this discussion... In another 5 years, maybe Ilhan Omar and Ocasio-Kotex will be through puberty and will be old enough to run for President. If you are a taxpayer, Ilhan Omar wants you to buy a house for lazy welfare democrats https://omar.house.gov/media/press-r...housing-vision and Ocasio-Kotex wants you to pay for her Green New Deal. In the interim, Pocahontas wants to take the Medicare I've been funding for 40 years and give that to lazy welfare people as well. To add insult to injury, I can't even claim the democrats as dependants on my federal income tax. The democrat's mantra is to take from working people and give to lazy people. |
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On 12/17/19 10:21 AM, devnull wrote:
The democrat's mantra is to take from working people and give to lazy people. Where to you buy your Koolaid from? -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
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devnull wrote in
: Pocahontas wants to take the Medicare I've been funding for 40 years and give that to lazy welfare people as well. The "40 years" you "funded Medicare" did not even pay for you, idiot. So that money is long gone. Nothing for a retarded putz like you to claim is getting spent elsewhere. So I guess that makes you "Lamah****US". Because you seem to think that ANY of what you paid in is even still there. Yep... Yer a DEVice, with a NUL difference. Ya got that one right. |
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devnull wrote in
: To add insult to injury, I can't even claim the democrats as dependants on my federal income tax. Another retarded, lame **** sub 100 IQ crack. That way you talk, I funded you for the 45 years I worked and paid in, you stupid putz. The democrat's mantra is to take from working people and give to lazy people. No, that is the RETARD tea party or misled southern white retard republican horse**** they feed into each other down at the sports bar. Don't see any democrats out spreading this kind of retarded divisive horse****. Sadly half the country are sub 100 IQ idiots like you. The nation used to get along before you retarded twits going to his rallies got the hate drilled into you. You dumb****s have place the entire globe into the Twilight Zone. |
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Fox's Mercantile wrote in
: On 12/17/19 10:21 AM, devnull wrote: The democrat's mantra is to take from working people and give to lazy people. Where to you buy your Koolaid from? Goddamned shame it wasn't Jim Jones. |
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Fox's Mercantile wrote in news:qfKdndUxT-
: On 12/17/19 11:41 PM, wrote: Fox's Mercantile wrote in : On 12/17/19 10:21 AM, devnull wrote: The democrat's mantra is to take from working people and give to lazy people. Where to you buy your Koolaid from? Goddamned shame it wasn't Jim Jones. Although, technically, that was Flavoraid. Yeah, except the way you used it was the "Drinking the Kool-Aid" expression, even, as its roots have always been the stuff Jones handed out, despite the misnomer it got for decades. As if he drank it and survived, with degraded nueral effects. That didn't happen when he became a republican. I know many whom are OK. It happened when the idiot embraced the NYC criminal Doanld J. Trump. THAT was his tainted Kool-Aid. Him and 63 million other idiots. NONE of them did their due dilligence on the stupid *******. And the last nit would be that it is "Kool-Aid", unless, I suppose you were referencing the above mentioned expression, then phonetic is good enough. |
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