Why Are Educated People More Likely to Be Atheists?

Religion works more through the emotions than through reason.

The more education a person receives, the more likely they are to become
atheists (1). Non belief also increases with intelligence and income.
Residents of more educated countries see religion as less important
(link is external) in their daily lives (2).

Why are highly educated people more likely to be atheists? There are two
categories of explanation. Either religious people lack a capacity for
skepticism, or they choose to make a blind leap of faith and subscribe
to the belief system adopted by their religious community.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ly-be-atheists
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Smart is smart.

On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely. You post this kind of condescension
about every six months. How about some new material?

On 27/05/2018 08:09, T wrote:
On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely.Â* You post this kind of condescension
about every six months.Â* How about some new material?

Ok, here's an interesting twist:

Atheists in the Pulpit: Clergy Who Are Non-Believers

Most likely there have always been atheists in the clergy, but only
recently do we have people talking about it.

What Is "The Clergy Project?"
The previously well-kept secret was brought into the open by Daniel C.
Dennett in his book with associate Linda La Scola. They published a
report, €œPreachers Who Are Not Believers,€� in 2010. The result of their
research and profiles of atheist clergy members are now published in
their book "Caught in the Pulpit: Leaving Belief Behind."

In 2011, The Clergy Project was formed. It is an online community. They
currently have 750 members, all current or former clergy members, from
many countries around the world. This community provides support and
help to members as they deal with the issues related to their loss of
belief in the tenets of their faith.

https://owlcation.com/misc/Atheists-...-in-the-Clergy

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On 27/05/2018 08:09, T wrote:
On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely.Â* You post this kind of condescension
about every six months.Â* How about some new material?

Ok, why do you never talk about your god's wife Asherah and why was
she virtually edited out of the bible?
Also if "god is everywhere", then where is Asherah?
--
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On 05/27/2018 01:06 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 08:09, T wrote:
On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely.Â* You post this kind of condescension
about every six months.Â* How about some new material?

Ok, why do you never talk about your god's wife Asherah and why was
she virtually edited out of the bible?
Also if "god is everywhere", then where is Asherah?

Some new material oh condescending one!

On 27/05/2018 09:18, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:06 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 08:09, T wrote:
On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely.Â* You post this kind of condescension
about every six months.Â* How about some new material?
Â*
Â* Ok, why do you never talk about your god's wife Asherah and why was
she virtually edited out of the bible?
Also if "god is everywhere", then where is Asherah?

Some new material oh condescending one!

No answer then?

--
Bod

On 05/27/2018 01:22 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 09:18, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:06 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 08:09, T wrote:
On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely.Â* You post this kind of condescension
about every six months.Â* How about some new material?
Â*
Â* Ok, why do you never talk about your god's wife Asherah and why
was she virtually edited out of the bible?
Also if "god is everywhere", then where is Asherah?

Some new material oh condescending one!

No answer then?


What to that garbage you posted about God's wife?
Why would I care about a Phoenician goddess?
Why do you care?

Please some new material oh condescending one.

Anything interesting happen in your country, good
or bad? Trump do something rational that we all love
but you hate? He just past some new regulations
on federal worker. Makes a YUGE amount of sense.
That should **** you off enough to write about?

On 27/05/2018 09:41, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:22 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 09:18, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:06 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 08:09, T wrote:
On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely.Â* You post this kind of condescension
about every six months.Â* How about some new material?
Â*
Â* Ok, why do you never talk about your god's wife Asherah and why
was she virtually edited out of the bible?
Also if "god is everywhere", then where is Asherah?

Some new material oh condescending one!

Â* No answer then?


What to that garbage you posted about God's wife?
Why would I care about a Phoenician goddess?
Why do you care?

Please some new material oh condescending one.

Anything interesting happen in your country, good
or bad?Â* Trump do something rational that we all love
but you hate?Â* He just past some new regulations
on federal worker.Â* Makes a YUGE amount of sense.
That should **** you off enough to write about?

'God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible -- Almost'

God had a wife, Asherah, whom the Book of Kings suggests was worshiped
alongside Yahweh in his temple in Israel, according to a scholar.

It's in the *Protestant Old Testament* , together with Deuteronomy.

Is the question too difficult for you?

--
Bod

On 05/27/2018 01:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 09:41, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:22 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 09:18, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:06 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 08:09, T wrote:
On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely.Â* You post this kind of condescension
about every six months.Â* How about some new material?
Â*
Â* Ok, why do you never talk about your god's wife Asherah and why
was she virtually edited out of the bible?
Also if "god is everywhere", then where is Asherah?

Some new material oh condescending one!

Â* No answer then?


What to that garbage you posted about God's wife?
Why would I care about a Phoenician goddess?
Why do you care?

Please some new material oh condescending one.

Anything interesting happen in your country, good
or bad?Â* Trump do something rational that we all love
but you hate?Â* He just past some new regulations
on federal worker.Â* Makes a YUGE amount of sense.
That should **** you off enough to write about?

'God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible -- Almost'

God had a wife, Asherah, whom the Book of Kings suggests was worshiped
alongside Yahweh in his temple in Israel, according to a scholar.

It's in the *Protestant Old Testament* , together with Deuteronomy.

Is the question too difficult for you?

Only in your hate filled fog.

God isn't married to a Phoenician goddess. Why are you being so
disrespectful of others?

On 27/05/2018 10:18, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 09:41, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:22 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 09:18, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:06 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 08:09, T wrote:
On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely.Â* You post this kind of condescension
about every six months.Â* How about some new material?
Â*
Â* Ok, why do you never talk about your god's wife Asherah and why
was she virtually edited out of the bible?
Also if "god is everywhere", then where is Asherah?

Some new material oh condescending one!

Â* No answer then?


What to that garbage you posted about God's wife?
Why would I care about a Phoenician goddess?
Why do you care?

Please some new material oh condescending one.

Anything interesting happen in your country, good
or bad?Â* Trump do something rational that we all love
but you hate?Â* He just past some new regulations
on federal worker.Â* Makes a YUGE amount of sense.
That should **** you off enough to write about?

Â* 'God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible -- Almost'

God had a wife, Asherah, whom the Book of Kings suggests was worshiped
alongside Yahweh in his temple in Israel, according to a scholar.

It's in the *Protestant Old Testament* , together with Deuteronomy.

Is the question too difficult for you?

Only in your hate filled fog.

God isn't married to a Phoenician goddess.Â* Why are you being so
disrespectful of others?



Ok, tell me, is god's wife mentioned in the *Protestant Old Testament* ,
together with Deuteronomy.....or not?

--
Bod

On 05/27/2018 02:29 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 10:18, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:46 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 09:41, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:22 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 09:18, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 01:06 AM, Bod wrote:
On 27/05/2018 08:09, T wrote:
On 05/26/2018 02:38 AM, Bod wrote:

Man you must be lonely.Â* You post this kind of condescension
about every six months.Â* How about some new material?
Â*
Â* Ok, why do you never talk about your god's wife Asherah and
why was she virtually edited out of the bible?
Also if "god is everywhere", then where is Asherah?

Some new material oh condescending one!

Â* No answer then?


What to that garbage you posted about God's wife?
Why would I care about a Phoenician goddess?
Why do you care?

Please some new material oh condescending one.

Anything interesting happen in your country, good
or bad?Â* Trump do something rational that we all love
but you hate?Â* He just past some new regulations
on federal worker.Â* Makes a YUGE amount of sense.
That should **** you off enough to write about?

Â* 'God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible -- Almost'

God had a wife, Asherah, whom the Book of Kings suggests was
worshiped alongside Yahweh in his temple in Israel, according to a
scholar.

It's in the *Protestant Old Testament* , together with Deuteronomy.

Is the question too difficult for you?

Only in your hate filled fog.

God isn't married to a Phoenician goddess.Â* Why are you being so
disrespectful of others?



Ok, tell me, is god's wife mentioned in the *Protestant Old Testament* ,
together with Deuteronomy.....or not?


When we tell you that you are misinterpreting things, you
need to take us at face value. God does not have a wife,
or children or cousins or aunts or uncles.

Mormons have all that stuff, but they are not Christians.
Not bad folks though, as they follow a lot of Christian
morality.

You know the Bible also says in the Psalms that God
protects us under his wing. I look forward to
you arguing with me that God is a "bird". Maybe next
to the meaning of the word "day".

Basically, you are being disrespectful of us and goes
to my contention that you hate God. If you didn't
believe, you wouldn't care and wouldn't post nonsense
like this.

On Sun, 27 May 2018 16:01:36 -0700, T wrote:

On 05/27/2018 05:18 AM, Dean Jackson wrote:
On 26/05/2018 12:07, BurfordTJustice wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message
...
: Why Are Educated People More Likely to Be Atheists?
:
: Religion works more through the emotions than through reason.
:
: The more education a person receives, the more likely they are to
become
: atheists (1). Non belief also increases with intelligence and income.
: Residents of more educated countries see religion as less important
: (link is external) in their daily lives (2).
:
: Why are highly educated people more likely to be atheists? There are
two
: categories of explanation. Either religious people lack a capacity for
: skepticism, or they choose to make a blind leap of faith and subscribe
: to the belief system adopted by their religious community.
:
:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ly-be-atheists

: --
: Bod


Why do educated people become Priests or Clergymen?
D.J.

It is because it is Bod's religious Axiom that you have
to be stupid to believe. And the troll will not
accept any evidence to the contrary, again because
it is not his religious belief. No evidence necessary.

He is also "stirring the pot". He trolls this comment
about every six months.

and you fall for it every six months? LOL

As for smart believers, arguably the greatest scientist
of our time,

Never heard of him. Not the greatest self promoter of all time then.
What is this tabloid ********.

the one who came up with the Big Bang
Theory, is a Catholic Priest. His name is Georges Lemaître.

Georges Lemaître also gave wonderful lectures about not mixing
science with religoun.

About as useful as reading the drivel posted in this newsgroup I bet.

He should have stayed at home and watched Netflix.

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"BurfordTJustice" wrote in message news
The more education a person receives, the more likely they are to become
atheists (1). Non belief also increases with intelligence and income.
Residents of more educated countries see religion as less important (link
is external) in their daily lives (2).

Why are highly educated people more likely to be atheists? There are two
categories of explanation. Either religious people lack a capacity for
skepticism, or they choose to make a blind leap of faith and subscribe to
the belief system adopted by their religious community.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ly-be-atheists

It comes as no surprise that most of these Catholic sex-abuse victims aren't
exactly the brightest bulbs in the string. Most come from working-class
families whose educations never went beyond high school. I do find it
somewhat perversely amusing to know these people regard their priests as God
Incarnate, who can supernaturally talk to The Lord while the laity cannot.
Yup, the Catholic clergy is BEYOND sin, so just do what the "father" says,
pervert or not.

It's not just Catholics, it's Christian fundamentalists in general. Here in
the Bible Belt, you don't find many math-and-science grads in church
congregations.

Also, a LOT of these Christian "Charismatics" or "Evangelicals" regard
Catholics as something akin to pagans because of their reliance on the
Blessed Virgin and all the assorted saints. To them that's the same as
worshiping a "graven image".

The late Christian publisher Jack Chick made Catholics the frequent target
of his numerous tacky pamphlets: https://tinyurl.com/ncg3242

Chick tracts are short evangelical gospel tracts created and published by
American publisher and religious cartoonist Jack Chick, who finally kicked
off in 2016 at age 92: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Chick
More on Jack Chick: http://tinyurl.com/ho287wy

Although many of Chick's tracts express views that are generally accepted
within Christian theology, several tracts have expressed controversial
viewpoints. Most notably, Chick tracts were known for expressing strongly
anti-Catholic views, which are expressed in 20 of his tracts, as well as his
criticisms of other religions including Mormonism. The Southern Poverty Law
Center has designated Chick Publications as an active hate group. The group
was listed due to its strong anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim, and anti-fag
rhetoric. Chick's views on homosexuality have angered gay activists since
his first tract on the subject in 1972. ("The Gay Blade" tract warned of a
gay agenda to push for same sex marriage and urged fags to repent so they
could make it into heaven).

This was the first one I encountered, in 1970:
http://www.monsterwax.com/bigdaddy.gif

He didn't just step on Muslim toes, he STOMPED them:
http://www.monsterwax.com/chickreviews.html#allahreview

I never realized just how many there we
http://www.monsterwax.com/Tracts.html

Many of them are still in print.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy...know-and-share

Here in fundamentalist country, if anyone asks me my religion, I just tell
them "Baptist" and that usually shuts them up, although I haven't been to a
worship service since 1984...

On 05/27/2018 07:56 PM, Byker wrote:
It comes as no surprise that most of these Catholic sex-abuse victims
aren't
exactly the brightest bulbs in the string. Most come from working-class
families whose educations never went beyond high school.

I in no way want to imply there are not bent priests, no do I want to
defend them and their enablers. BUT I'm also somewhat cynical. If
claiming that a person was sexually abused by a priest 20 years ago is
linked to a big payday from the diocese, I can see the possibility of
long suppressed memories suddenly arising.

Maybe I was lucky. The head priest where I grew up was into horses. I
don't mean that in any perverted way. It might have been the only parish
that had a stable and a resident thoroughbred. It also had an annual
horse show that was a recognized event on the horse show circuit. Other
than the horse thing he was reserved and did his priest thing without
getting chummy.

The assistant priest was younger and worked with the CYO and so forth.
He was a little nerdy but that was as far as it went. His big passion
was Gregorian chants.

On Sun, 27 May 2018 20:56:34 -0500, "Byker" wrote:

Here in fundamentalist country, if anyone asks me my religion, I just tell
them "Baptist" and that usually shuts them up

I tell them I don't believe. If they continue and try to convert me I
consider them prey with the same rights as rabbits. Open season. Lock
and load. God help you brother! Yi Hi!

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On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 4:38:28 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Why Are Educated People More Likely to Be Atheists?

Religion works more through the emotions than through reason.

The more education a person receives, the more likely they are to become
atheists (1). Non belief also increases with intelligence and income.
Residents of more educated countries see religion as less important
(link is external) in their daily lives (2).

Why are highly educated people more likely to be atheists? There are two
categories of explanation. Either religious people lack a capacity for
skepticism, or they choose to make a blind leap of faith and subscribe
to the belief system adopted by their religious community.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ly-be-atheists
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Bodyless, you appear to be anti-just-about-everything. Is there anything that you support? Make a list so I can criticise everything on it. O_o

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On 05/27/2018 09:10 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/27/2018 07:56 PM, Byker wrote:
It comes as no surprise that most of these Catholic sex-abuse victims
aren't
exactly the brightest bulbs in the string. Most come from working-class
families whose educations never went beyond high school.

I in no way want to imply there are not bent priests, no do I want to
defend them and their enablers. BUT I'm also somewhat cynical. If
claiming that a person was sexually abused by a priest 20 years ago is
linked to a big payday from the diocese, I can see the possibility of
long suppressed memories suddenly arising.

Maybe I was lucky. The head priest where I grew up was into horses. I
don't mean that in any perverted way. It might have been the only parish
that had a stable and a resident thoroughbred. It also had an annual
horse show that was a recognized event on the horse show circuit. Other
than the horse thing he was reserved and did his priest thing without
getting chummy.

The assistant priest was younger and worked with the CYO and so forth.
He was a little nerdy but that was as far as it went. His big passion
was Gregorian chants.



Hi R,

I grew up Catholic and in Catholic school. Whilst it is
good to be skeptical due to the big pay outs, I do
have to tell you that a lot of the priests I met were
really weird in a creepy manner, especially in the bathroom.

Somewhere around the 10th century -- around the time they left
the apostolic church -- they decided on an unmarried priesthood,
meaning a gay priest hood. Keep in mind that the apostolic
church strictly forbids that.

I wish they'd drop this practice and go back to married priesthood.
It would solve a lot of issues. We'd (Orthodox) love to show
them how to return to apostolic teaching. And turn these
predators over to the secular authorities for punishment.

I am glad I did not know why at the time and I am also
glad they knew my father would have killed them with his bare
hands, which did protect me.

That all being said, these predators play into those that
hate Christian in a big way. And I am sure also blown
out of proportion because of the hate.

-T

On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 7:01:41 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 05:18 AM, Dean Jackson wrote:
On 26/05/2018 12:07, BurfordTJustice wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message
...
: Why Are Educated People More Likely to Be Atheists?
:
: Religion works more through the emotions than through reason.
:
: The more education a person receives, the more likely they are to
become
: atheists (1). Non belief also increases with intelligence and income..
: Residents of more educated countries see religion as less important
: (link is external) in their daily lives (2).
:
: Why are highly educated people more likely to be atheists? There are
two
: categories of explanation. Either religious people lack a capacity for
: skepticism, or they choose to make a blind leap of faith and subscribe
: to the belief system adopted by their religious community.
:
:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ly-be-atheists

: --
: Bod


Why do educated people become Priests or Clergymen?
D.J.

It is because it is Bod's religious Axiom that you have
to be stupid to believe. And the troll will not
accept any evidence to the contrary, again because
it is not his religious belief. No evidence necessary.

He is also "stirring the pot". He trolls this comment
about every six months.

As for smart believers, arguably the greatest scientist
of our time, the one who came up with the Big Bang
Theory, is a Catholic Priest. His name is Georges Lemaître.

Georges Lemaître also gave wonderful lectures about not mixing
science with religoun.

Of course you can't mix the two. One is based on logic, facts and
proof. The other is a cult based on fairly tales that don't conform
to the facts we know, eg evolution, age of the universe following
your big bang, shape of the earth.

On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 5:37:08 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 09:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/27/2018 05:01 PM, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 05:18 AM, Dean Jackson wrote:
On 26/05/2018 12:07, BurfordTJustice wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message
...
: Why Are Educated People More Likely to Be Atheists?
:
: Religion works more through the emotions than through reason.
:
: The more education a person receives, the more likely they are to
become
: atheists (1). Non belief also increases with intelligence and income.
: Residents of more educated countries see religion as less important
: (link is external) in their daily lives (2).
:
: Why are highly educated people more likely to be atheists? There
are two
: categories of explanation. Either religious people lack a capacity
for
: skepticism, or they choose to make a blind leap of faith and
subscribe
: to the belief system adopted by their religious community.
:
:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ly-be-atheists


: --
: Bod


Why do educated people become Priests or Clergymen?
D.J.

It is because it is Bod's religious Axiom that you have
to be stupid to believe.Â* And the troll will not
accept any evidence to the contrary, again because
it is not his religious belief.Â* No evidence necessary.

He is also "stirring the pot".Â* He trolls this comment
about every six months.

As for smart believers, arguably the greatest scientist
of our time, the one who came up with the Big Bang
Theory, is a Catholic Priest.Â* His name is Georges Lemaître.

Georges Lemaître also gave wonderful lectures about not mixing
science with religoun.

There is an interesting backstory. Lemaître was a contemporary of
Einstein and Einstein was critical of Lemaître's work. I'm not saying it
was religious but Einstein believed in a steady state universe. His
belief was so strong that when his equations didn't quite work he
introduced a Cosmological Constant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant

Einstein accepted new experimental data and referred to the constant as
his biggest mistake, but it remains that his very equations showed an
expanding universe but his belief in a steady state universe was so
strong he threw in a fudge factor.

Scientists have beliefs too.

Disclaimer: I am not a Christian but when I was in my 30's I asked the
same question, "How can these very intelligent people believe in a
revealed religion?"Â* I did not come away convinced like C.S. Lewis but I
did come away with a greater respect at least on some level. Maggots
like Joel Osteen or the store front preachers with the Golden Comics
version disgrace the religion.



Great read! I enjoyed it.

To answer your question, once you have a personal relationship with
Jesus (God), it all makes perfect sense. Before that though, I
can see why you would wonder.

Got to love C.S. Lewis!

The personal relationship thing also worked with Jum Jones's cult too.
When you get brainwashed, you'll believe anything.

On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 5:33:46 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 05/27/2018 09:10 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/27/2018 07:56 PM, Byker wrote:
It comes as no surprise that most of these Catholic sex-abuse victims
aren't
exactly the brightest bulbs in the string. Most come from working-class
families whose educations never went beyond high school.

I in no way want to imply there are not bent priests, no do I want to
defend them and their enablers. BUT I'm also somewhat cynical. If
claiming that a person was sexually abused by a priest 20 years ago is
linked to a big payday from the diocese, I can see the possibility of
long suppressed memories suddenly arising.

Maybe I was lucky. The head priest where I grew up was into horses. I
don't mean that in any perverted way. It might have been the only parish
that had a stable and a resident thoroughbred. It also had an annual
horse show that was a recognized event on the horse show circuit. Other
than the horse thing he was reserved and did his priest thing without
getting chummy.

The assistant priest was younger and worked with the CYO and so forth.
He was a little nerdy but that was as far as it went. His big passion
was Gregorian chants.



Hi R,

I grew up Catholic and in Catholic school. Whilst it is
good to be skeptical due to the big pay outs, I do
have to tell you that a lot of the priests I met were
really weird in a creepy manner, especially in the bathroom.

Somewhere around the 10th century -- around the time they left
the apostolic church -- they decided on an unmarried priesthood,
meaning a gay priest hood. Keep in mind that the apostolic
church strictly forbids that.

I wish they'd drop this practice and go back to married priesthood.
It would solve a lot of issues. We'd (Orthodox) love to show
them how to return to apostolic teaching. And turn these
predators over to the secular authorities for punishment.

I am glad I did not know why at the time and I am also
glad they knew my father would have killed them with his bare
hands, which did protect me.

That all being said, these predators play into those that
hate Christian in a big way. And I am sure also blown
out of proportion because of the hate.

-T

Why does your all powerful god allow priests or anyone to harm children?
Must be a sadistic god who likes to watch children suffer. A few lightning
bolts to fry the perps or giving them some horrible, not-transmittable
disease is all it would take to end it. You have a personal relationship
with Jesus, ask him that for us and let us know how and when he replies.

On 05/28/2018 03:33 AM, T wrote:
I wish they'd drop this practice and go back to married priesthood.
It would solve a lot of issues. We'd (Orthodox) love to show
them how to return to apostolic teaching. And turn these
predators over to the secular authorities for punishment.

You don't have to search far to find married clergy that are perverts or
pedophiles. The Catholic Church presents a big target. When Billie Joe
Bumbuster of the Sweet Jesus Church of the Salvation gets caught with
his pants down it's an isolated instance and only gets reported locally.
Unless it happens to be one of the megachurches Bumbuster doesn't have
two dimes to rub together so a civil suit will come up dry.

I don't recall any spouses at the Last Supper. Didn't they invite the
women? What is the apostolic teaching on that? iirc Paul wasn't a ladies
man either or most of the Church Fathers.

On 05/28/2018 11:15 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/28/2018 03:33 AM, T wrote:
I wish they'd drop this practice and go back to married priesthood.
It would solve a lot of issues.Â* We'd (Orthodox) love to show
them how to return to apostolic teaching.Â* And turn these
predators over to the secular authorities for punishment.

You don't have to search far to find married clergy that are perverts or
pedophiles. The Catholic Church presents a big target. When Billie Joe
Bumbuster of the Sweet Jesus Church of the Salvation gets caught with
his pants down it's an isolated instance and only gets reported locally.
Unless it happens to be one of the megachurches Bumbuster doesn't have
two dimes to rub together so a civil suit will come up dry.

I don't recall any spouses at the Last Supper. Didn't they invite the
women? What is the apostolic teaching on that? iirc Paul wasn't a ladies
man either or most of the Church Fathers.

A bunch of them were married. Peter was spoken of directly
in the Bible.

On 05/28/2018 07:16 PM, T wrote:
On 05/28/2018 11:15 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/28/2018 03:33 AM, T wrote:
I wish they'd drop this practice and go back to married priesthood.
It would solve a lot of issues. We'd (Orthodox) love to show
them how to return to apostolic teaching. And turn these
predators over to the secular authorities for punishment.

You don't have to search far to find married clergy that are perverts
or pedophiles. The Catholic Church presents a big target. When Billie
Joe Bumbuster of the Sweet Jesus Church of the Salvation gets caught
with his pants down it's an isolated instance and only gets reported
locally. Unless it happens to be one of the megachurches Bumbuster
doesn't have two dimes to rub together so a civil suit will come up dry.

I don't recall any spouses at the Last Supper. Didn't they invite the
women? What is the apostolic teaching on that? iirc Paul wasn't a
ladies man either or most of the Church Fathers.

A bunch of them were married. Peter was spoken of directly
in the Bible.


One verse. And the rest? Matthew 18:12

On 05/28/2018 06:43 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/28/2018 07:16 PM, T wrote:
On 05/28/2018 11:15 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/28/2018 03:33 AM, T wrote:
I wish they'd drop this practice and go back to married priesthood.
It would solve a lot of issues.Â* We'd (Orthodox) love to show
them how to return to apostolic teaching.Â* And turn these
predators over to the secular authorities for punishment.

You don't have to search far to find married clergy that are perverts
or pedophiles. The Catholic Church presents a big target. When Billie
Joe Bumbuster of the Sweet Jesus Church of the Salvation gets caught
with his pants down it's an isolated instance and only gets reported
locally. Unless it happens to be one of the megachurches Bumbuster
doesn't have two dimes to rub together so a civil suit will come up dry.

I don't recall any spouses at the Last Supper. Didn't they invite the
women? What is the apostolic teaching on that? iirc Paul wasn't a
ladies man either or most of the Church Fathers.

A bunch of them were married.Â* Peter was spoken of directly
in the Bible.


One verse. And the rest?Â* Matthew 18:12


Most sources like to talk abut whether they should be married or not,
so they jsut say, most were married and doln't reference.

Here is on Roman Catholic source that does give a reference:
https://forums.catholic.com/t/which-...married/175458

St Peter was married
St Andrew
St Bartholomew
St Matthew
St Philip
St Jude

St Paul too, but he was not one of the original deciples

Keep in mind that Jewish tradition is to get married.

If you would like an Orthodox source, I can look into it
further.

On 05/28/2018 09:36 PM, T wrote:
On 05/28/2018 06:43 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/28/2018 07:16 PM, T wrote:
On 05/28/2018 11:15 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/28/2018 03:33 AM, T wrote:
I wish they'd drop this practice and go back to married priesthood.
It would solve a lot of issues. We'd (Orthodox) love to show
them how to return to apostolic teaching. And turn these
predators over to the secular authorities for punishment.

You don't have to search far to find married clergy that are perverts
or pedophiles. The Catholic Church presents a big target. When Billie
Joe Bumbuster of the Sweet Jesus Church of the Salvation gets caught
with his pants down it's an isolated instance and only gets reported
locally. Unless it happens to be one of the megachurches Bumbuster
doesn't have two dimes to rub together so a civil suit will come up
dry.

I don't recall any spouses at the Last Supper. Didn't they invite the
women? What is the apostolic teaching on that? iirc Paul wasn't a
ladies man either or most of the Church Fathers.

A bunch of them were married. Peter was spoken of directly
in the Bible.


One verse. And the rest? Matthew 18:12


Most sources like to talk abut whether they should be married or not,
so they jsut say, most were married and doln't reference.

Here is on Roman Catholic source that does give a reference:
https://forums.catholic.com/t/which-...married/175458

St Peter was married
St Andrew
St Bartholomew
St Matthew
St Philip
St Jude

St Paul too, but he was not one of the original deciples

Keep in mind that Jewish tradition is to get married.

If you would like an Orthodox source, I can look into it
further.



No need, not my problem.