Hi,
Our house has a 1/2 HP jet pump for water. According to the guy I bought
the house from the well is only 21 feet deep and the water table is at 11
feet. He installed a two line jet system because he did not want to worry
about a point plugging up.
Anyways he also installed an inground sprinkler system, which did not work
for me. The heads barely popped up and the pump sounded awful, chugging
really bad, even started sucking water from an upstairs toilet.
The pump and everything is in my basement. It appears he put the two pump
lines down into a 6 or 4 inch casing. My question is can I replace this
setup with a submersible pump? Or should I try putting in a larger jet
pump(3/4 or 1 HP) I talked to a local well driller who was drilling at a
new house next door, and he said he got tons of great water at 40 feet. I'm
sure he hit water sooner, he just went down to 40 to insure he'd have
enough.
Any suggestions would be great.
Jeff

"Jeff Guay" wrote in message
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new house next door, and he said he got tons of great water at 40 feet.
I'm
sure he hit water sooner, he just went down to 40 to insure he'd have
enough.

Or he most likely is getting paid by the foot (~$100-150/ft in my area)

The truth be known. You sould always go with an accurate flow test.. I'm
not sure how that works but here, the county inspector has the well driller
perform this test. If he doesn't get the volume output, he keeps drilling
(more money) until the well meets the local standard for a residential well.
Oh, yah, the take water sample also for tests.


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve

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"Jeff Guay" wrote in message
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new house next door, and he said he got tons of great water at 40 feet.
I'm
sure he hit water sooner, he just went down to 40 to insure he'd have
enough.

Or he most likely is getting paid by the foot (~$100-150/ft in my area)

HOLY CRAP! What kind of well driller charges $100 to $150 per foot? The
highest I've EVER seen a well driller charge (and I didn't hire him) was $11
per foot for the well and $8 for the casing.

I just had a well drilled and paid 9 and 9. 220 feet deep, 14 gallons per
minute, 40 feet of casing, cost me less than $2000.

Jon E

$100/ft sounds about right, he quoted me $4000 including running into house
and expansion tank for a drilled well upto 80 feet deep.

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"Steve" wrote in message
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"Jeff Guay" wrote in message
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new house next door, and he said he got tons of great water at 40
feet.
I'm
sure he hit water sooner, he just went down to 40 to insure he'd have
enough.

Or he most likely is getting paid by the foot (~$100-150/ft in my area)

HOLY CRAP! What kind of well driller charges $100 to $150 per foot? The
highest I've EVER seen a well driller charge (and I didn't hire him) was
$11
per foot for the well and $8 for the casing.

I just had a well drilled and paid 9 and 9. 220 feet deep, 14 gallons per
minute, 40 feet of casing, cost me less than $2000.

Jon E

"Jeff Guay" wrote
Hi,
Our house has a 1/2 HP jet pump for water. According to the guy I
bought
the house from the well is only 21 feet deep and the water table is at
11
feet. He installed a two line jet system because he did not want to
worry
about a point plugging up.

A two line/deep well jet isn't going to change the type of construction
of the well. All wells are of two types. Most common nationally is a
rock bore. Casing into the bedrock and then a hole to the depth of the
well. Or, a fully cased and then screened well, usually only used into
gravel and sand and ither 'drilled' or called a well point type which is
usually not more than 2" dia pipe. The samllest submersible pumps are
about 2.5" but usually 3" dia. so other type pumps must be used for the
smaller than 4" ID wells.. Screening and/or point screeing does block
up. As 'veins' in a rock well do also.

Anyways he also installed an inground sprinkler system, which did not
work
for me. The heads barely popped up and the pump sounded awful,
chugging
really bad, even started sucking water from an upstairs toilet.
The pump and everything is in my basement. It appears he put the two
pump
lines down into a 6 or 4 inch casing. My question is can I replace
this
setup with a submersible pump? Or should I try putting in a larger
jet
pump(3/4 or 1 HP) I talked to a local well driller who was drilling
at a
new house next door, and he said he got tons of great water at 40
feet. I'm
sure he hit water sooner, he just went down to 40 to insure he'd have
enough.
Any suggestions would be great.
Jeff

You parbably have a bad pump since it sounds awful; they normally don't
make nosie other than a motor running. Well they can if they don't have
enough water to lift out of the well. Bigger is not better and you don't
size a pump by looking at the hp. You size a pump based on the gpm
needed, the TDH (total dynamic head), including the pressure you want to
run and THEN select the hp to do that job. All pumps have two parts, the
wet end and the motor. The wet end couldn't care less what hp the motor
is because they all work based on the RPM, of the motor.

The driller has to provide storage space for the water he 'finds'.... so
how do you see him going past water to simply increase the bill? Most
folks mistakenly believe a driller drills until he breaks through into a
stream or pool of water. No so in 99.999% of water wells. A water well
is nothing more than a hole in the ground that is meant to collect and
store water for future use. The drill intersects many water bearing
strata and when they total a certain amount of recovery (minimum of 3-5
gpm) and based on the storage capacity of the well, based on the water
needs of the building, they quit drilling.

Go here for some info on pumps

You may need a new pump, new j-body in the well, they have to be
'married' for the pump you have, and check on the depth of the foot
valve and see how deep the water level is falling when you use water.
Depending on that data, then you'd look at cleaning the well or a new
well. Especially for that price for that deep of a well!!

Yes you can run electric to and down the well and install a submersible
pump. And I'd suggest you do that rather than a new jet pump. You'd sue
the larger line for the electrical to the well and the 1" (smaller) line
for the water. Look up pump guys in your yellow pages if you aren't into
doing this yourself..

Gary
Quality Water Associates

"Jeff Guay" wrote
$100/ft sounds about right, he quoted me $4000 including running into
house
and expansion tank for a drilled well upto 80 feet deep.

Before you do anything, see my other reply to your previous post. You
don't need new excavation unless there is something proven wrong with
your present plumbing. If yer handy you can replace your own pump and
especially a pressure tank. If you want prices and instructions, my
email works.

Here's the URL I mentioned but forgot to add in my previous post.
http://www.jessstryker.com/pump.htm

Gary
Quality Water Associates

"Jeff Guay" wrote in message et...
$100/ft sounds about right, he quoted me $4000 including running into house
and expansion tank for a drilled well upto 80 feet deep.

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"Steve" wrote in message
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"Jeff Guay" wrote in message
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new house next door, and he said he got tons of great water at 40
feet.
I'm
sure he hit water sooner, he just went down to 40 to insure he'd have
enough.

Or he most likely is getting paid by the foot (~$100-150/ft in my area)

HOLY CRAP! What kind of well driller charges $100 to $150 per foot? The
highest I've EVER seen a well driller charge (and I didn't hire him) was
$11
per foot for the well and $8 for the casing.

I just had a well drilled and paid 9 and 9. 220 feet deep, 14 gallons per
minute, 40 feet of casing, cost me less than $2000.

Jon E



Yep, that's about what I paid for new well (60 ft), run to house (100
ft), new pressure tank, extra circuit for a 110 outlet at pump and
install 1 frost free hydrant.

Harry K

The price I mentioned is inclusive of the well casing and deepwell pump..

The guy up the road, here in W. Washington, went down about 130 ft for good
water and paid about $10,000.. That's about 77 a ft.. However if the water
had come in at a shallower depth he would still have to pay a couple
thousand just for the set up, plus footage...

I use to hang out at a bar where some well drillers would stop in after
work.. I would sometimes hear comments about "can't make any money until we
get down to 100 ft...". Thus an incentive to drill deeper wells.

Steve

"Steve" wrote
The price I mentioned is inclusive of the well casing and deepwell
pump..

The guy up the road, here in W. Washington, went down about 130 ft for
good
water and paid about $10,000.. That's about 77 a ft.. However if the
water
had come in at a shallower depth he would still have to pay a couple
thousand just for the set up, plus footage...

I use to hang out at a bar where some well drillers would stop in
after
work.. I would sometimes hear comments about "can't make any money
until we
get down to 100 ft...". Thus an incentive to drill deeper wells.

Steve

Ask for a price for just the well minus the cable, pump, it's
tubing/pipe, pitless adapter, excavation to the building, the pressure
tank and fittings etc. and see what you're told.

Then get a price for the excavation only. Then a pump guy or plumber
that knows pumps and wells, to price out the cable, pump, tubing,
pitless and pressure tank with the needed switch etc.. Or do the
excavation, cable and tubing to/from the well and the pressure tank
yourself. Then have the pump guy install the pitless and pump.

You can buy all this stuff over the internet ya know. You can even size
the pump on the internet. I sell all of it to DIYers.

Those/these guys must not have much competition except between
themselves!

Gary
Quality Water Associates

I could do everything except drill the casing. It is all sand here with a
small layer of clay down about 10'. Anyway to install my own casing?

"Gary Slusser" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote
The price I mentioned is inclusive of the well casing and deepwell
pump..

The guy up the road, here in W. Washington, went down about 130 ft for
good
water and paid about $10,000.. That's about 77 a ft.. However if the
water
had come in at a shallower depth he would still have to pay a couple
thousand just for the set up, plus footage...

I use to hang out at a bar where some well drillers would stop in
after
work.. I would sometimes hear comments about "can't make any money
until we
get down to 100 ft...". Thus an incentive to drill deeper wells.

Steve

Ask for a price for just the well minus the cable, pump, it's
tubing/pipe, pitless adapter, excavation to the building, the pressure
tank and fittings etc. and see what you're told.

Then get a price for the excavation only. Then a pump guy or plumber
that knows pumps and wells, to price out the cable, pump, tubing,
pitless and pressure tank with the needed switch etc.. Or do the
excavation, cable and tubing to/from the well and the pressure tank
yourself. Then have the pump guy install the pitless and pump.

You can buy all this stuff over the internet ya know. You can even size
the pump on the internet. I sell all of it to DIYers.

Those/these guys must not have much competition except between
themselves!

Gary
Quality Water Associates

"Jeff Guay" wrote
I could do everything except drill the casing. It is all sand here
with a
small layer of clay down about 10'. Anyway to install my own casing?

I meant for the driller to drill the well, which includes installing the
casing. A drill and hole saw doesn't cost much, or you can burn the hole
for the pitless. You could rent the torch.

Gary
Quality Water Associates

"Gary Slusser" wrote

"Steve" wrote
The price I mentioned is inclusive of the well casing and deepwell
pump..

The guy up the road, here in W. Washington, went down about 130 ft
for
good
water and paid about $10,000.. That's about 77 a ft.. However if
the
water
had come in at a shallower depth he would still have to pay a
couple
thousand just for the set up, plus footage...

I use to hang out at a bar where some well drillers would stop in
after
work.. I would sometimes hear comments about "can't make any money
until we
get down to 100 ft...". Thus an incentive to drill deeper wells.

Steve

Ask for a price for just the well minus the cable, pump, it's
tubing/pipe, pitless adapter, excavation to the building, the
pressure
tank and fittings etc. and see what you're told.

Then get a price for the excavation only. Then a pump guy or plumber
that knows pumps and wells, to price out the cable, pump, tubing,
pitless and pressure tank with the needed switch etc.. Or do the
excavation, cable and tubing to/from the well and the pressure tank
yourself. Then have the pump guy install the pitless and pump.

You can buy all this stuff over the internet ya know. You can even
size
the pump on the internet. I sell all of it to DIYers.

Those/these guys must not have much competition except between
themselves!

Gary
Quality Water Associates