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Those Dangerous Samsung Phones that start on fire....
It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries
starting on fire. They even evacuated a commercial plane because of one of them (instead of just tossing the phone out a door or window.. kinda dumb). So how do you get rid of them? You cant just toss them in the garbage because the garbage could start on fire. I wonder if smashing the phone with a sledge hammer would do the trick. Or what about tossing them in a container of sulfuric acid? I suppose we will soon find these phones laying in rural road ditches, and in city sewers because people are afraid of them, and dont know how to get rid of them. I think the real solution is for Samsung to go to the residence of each and every phone owner, to reimburse the customer and take these "firebombs" back to their factory, where they can burn down their business for not properly testing their products. It would serve them right if they burned and went bankrupt. I'm glad I dont own one.... And will never buy a Samsung product..... |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:35:12 -0400, wrote:
And will never buy a Samsung product I guess you forgot the I-Phones that were burning up a while ago. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 01:14:37 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:35:12 -0400, wrote: It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries starting on fire. They even evacuated a commercial plane because of one of them (instead of just tossing the phone out a door or window.. kinda dumb). So how do you get rid of them? You cant just toss them in the garbage because the garbage could start on fire. I wonder if smashing the phone with a sledge hammer would do the trick. Or what about tossing them in a container of sulfuric acid? I suppose we will soon find these phones laying in rural road ditches, and in city sewers because people are afraid of them, and dont know how to get rid of them. I think the real solution is for Samsung to go to the residence of each and every phone owner, to reimburse the customer and take these "firebombs" back to their factory, where they can burn down their business for not properly testing their products. It would serve them right if they burned and went bankrupt. I'm glad I dont own one.... And will never buy a Samsung product..... Don't go nuts, just take out the battery. Put it in a bucket of sand if you are paranoid. If I had one of them, I guess that would be a good solution. Or better yet, bury the battery in someone's yard, or best of all, find a highway where they are going to pour concrete, and put it under the gravel, so it's permanently sealed in concrete.... Actually, it might not be the phones at all, but the cause is all the hot air from using the phone for facebook, or reading all the latest political scandals. |
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On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 3:32:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 01:14:37 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:35:12 -0400, wrote: It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries starting on fire. They even evacuated a commercial plane because of one of them (instead of just tossing the phone out a door or window.. kinda dumb). So how do you get rid of them? You cant just toss them in the garbage because the garbage could start on fire. I wonder if smashing the phone with a sledge hammer would do the trick. Or what about tossing them in a container of sulfuric acid? I suppose we will soon find these phones laying in rural road ditches, and in city sewers because people are afraid of them, and dont know how to get rid of them. I think the real solution is for Samsung to go to the residence of each and every phone owner, to reimburse the customer and take these "firebombs" back to their factory, where they can burn down their business for not properly testing their products. It would serve them right if they burned and went bankrupt. I'm glad I dont own one.... And will never buy a Samsung product..... Don't go nuts, just take out the battery. Put it in a bucket of sand if you are paranoid. If I had one of them, I guess that would be a good solution. Or better yet, bury the battery in someone's yard, or best of all, find a highway where they are going to pour concrete, and put it under the gravel, so it's permanently sealed in concrete.... Actually, it might not be the phones at all, but the cause is all the hot air from using the phone for facebook, or reading all the latest political scandals. The phones are committing suicide because people are reading your posts on them. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:56:49 -0400, Mike Duffy
wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:21:35 -0400, wrote: Maybe the smartphones are just bad news all the way around. I'll stick with my old $20 flip phone. The only thing wrong with the batteries in them, is that they only last about 1 - 1/2 years. I'm on my 3rd battery on this 4 year old phone, and it's needing to be charged twice daily now. I think I'll spend the $20 to get a newer flip phone this time around. A flip phone without the screen, wi-fi, bluetooth, camera, etc. could probably last a few days on a pair of Ni-H AAAs. Then, if they require recharging and you want to call 911 while you're out in the bush because you've shot yourself in the foot, you can just take the alcalines out of your 'scope laser. I know that lithium polymer batteries have a higher charge density, but there's nothing that beats the convenience of getting fresh batteries in (dare I say it) a convenience store. I have never seen a flip phone that runs on AAA batteries. They all have a dedicated flat battery, which can be costly. A place called "Batteries Plus", quoted me just under $50. I told the guy I only paid $20 for the phone (with battery/charger). I was gonna just buy another phone, but then I found the batteries on Ebay for about $6 (shipped). I have since bought them twice, and they all lasted as long as the original one. (1.5 years). But the phone itself is badly worn, so I think I'm gonna get a new one this time. I wish I could just use common AAA batteries.... Thats just like I was looking at a digital camera in the store. Nice camera, but as soon as I found out it needed a special dedicated battery pack (which costs $60), I put the camera back on the shelf and left the store. Most of my photos are taken outdoors, in places where there are no outlets to plug in a charger. I'll just stick with my old camera that uses common AA alkaline or rechargable batteries. (I always carry spares, and almost every gas station and store sells them. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:01:34 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:56:49 -0400, Mike Duffy wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:21:35 -0400, wrote: Maybe the smartphones are just bad news all the way around. I'll stick with my old $20 flip phone. The only thing wrong with the batteries in them, is that they only last about 1 - 1/2 years. I'm on my 3rd battery on this 4 year old phone, and it's needing to be charged twice daily now. I think I'll spend the $20 to get a newer flip phone this time around. I know that lithium polymer batteries have a higher charge density, but there's nothing that beats the convenience of getting fresh batteries in (dare I say it) a convenience store. ... I don't understand that. My 3-4 year old Convoy (Samsung flip) will run for over a week on a charge. I admit I don't make a lot of calls tho. |
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posted for all of us...
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:35:12 -0400, wrote: It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries starting on fire. They even evacuated a commercial plane because of one of them (instead of just tossing the phone out a door or window.. kinda dumb). So how do you get rid of them? You cant just toss them in the garbage because the garbage could start on fire. I wonder if smashing the phone with a sledge hammer would do the trick. Or what about tossing them in a container of sulfuric acid? I suppose we will soon find these phones laying in rural road ditches, and in city sewers because people are afraid of them, and dont know how to get rid of them. I think the real solution is for Samsung to go to the residence of each and every phone owner, to reimburse the customer and take these "firebombs" back to their factory, where they can burn down their business for not properly testing their products. It would serve them right if they burned and went bankrupt. I'm glad I dont own one.... And will never buy a Samsung product..... Don't go nuts, just take out the battery. Put it in a bucket of sand if you are paranoid. Isn't this the definition of a burner phone? g -- Tekkie |
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DerbyDad03 posted for all of us...
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 3:32:26 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 01:14:37 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:35:12 -0400, wrote: It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries starting on fire. They even evacuated a commercial plane because of one of them (instead of just tossing the phone out a door or window.. kinda dumb). So how do you get rid of them? You cant just toss them in the garbage because the garbage could start on fire. I wonder if smashing the phone with a sledge hammer would do the trick. Or what about tossing them in a container of sulfuric acid? I suppose we will soon find these phones laying in rural road ditches, and in city sewers because people are afraid of them, and dont know how to get rid of them. I think the real solution is for Samsung to go to the residence of each and every phone owner, to reimburse the customer and take these "firebombs" back to their factory, where they can burn down their business for not properly testing their products. It would serve them right if they burned and went bankrupt. I'm glad I dont own one.... And will never buy a Samsung product..... Don't go nuts, just take out the battery. Put it in a bucket of sand if you are paranoid. If I had one of them, I guess that would be a good solution. Or better yet, bury the battery in someone's yard, or best of all, find a highway where they are going to pour concrete, and put it under the gravel, so it's permanently sealed in concrete.... Actually, it might not be the phones at all, but the cause is all the hot air from using the phone for facebook, or reading all the latest political scandals. The phones are committing suicide because people are reading your posts on them. +25 -- Tekkie |
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Scott Lurndal posted for all of us...
writes: It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries starting on fire. They even evacuated a commercial plane because of one of them (instead of just tossing the phone out a door or window.. kinda dumb). Kinda dumb? What's your area of expertise, if any? NONE! -- Tekkie |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:54:02 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote: posted for all of us... On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:35:12 -0400, wrote: It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries starting on fire. They even evacuated a commercial plane because of one of them (instead of just tossing the phone out a door or window.. kinda dumb). So how do you get rid of them? You cant just toss them in the garbage because the garbage could start on fire. I wonder if smashing the phone with a sledge hammer would do the trick. Or what about tossing them in a container of sulfuric acid? I suppose we will soon find these phones laying in rural road ditches, and in city sewers because people are afraid of them, and dont know how to get rid of them. I think the real solution is for Samsung to go to the residence of each and every phone owner, to reimburse the customer and take these "firebombs" back to their factory, where they can burn down their business for not properly testing their products. It would serve them right if they burned and went bankrupt. I'm glad I dont own one.... And will never buy a Samsung product..... Don't go nuts, just take out the battery. Put it in a bucket of sand if you are paranoid. Isn't this the definition of a burner phone? g Seth Myers said when you are on a plane you can't lie about turning off your S/7 because your pants will literally be on fire. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:56:49 -0400, Mike Duffy wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:21:35 -0400, wrote: Maybe the smartphones are just bad news all the way around. I'll stick with my old $20 flip phone. The only thing wrong with the batteries in them, is that they only last about 1 - 1/2 years. I'm on my 3rd battery on this 4 year old phone, and it's needing to be charged twice daily now. I think I'll spend the $20 to get a newer flip phone this time around. A flip phone without the screen, wi-fi, bluetooth, camera, etc. could probably last a few days on a pair of Ni-H AAAs. Then, if they require recharging and you want to call 911 while you're out in the bush because you've shot yourself in the foot, you can just take the alcalines out of your 'scope laser. I know that lithium polymer batteries have a higher charge density, but there's nothing that beats the convenience of getting fresh batteries in (dare I say it) a convenience store. I have never seen a flip phone that runs on AAA batteries. They all have a dedicated flat battery, which can be costly. A place called "Batteries Plus", quoted me just under $50. I told the guy I only paid $20 for the phone (with battery/charger). I was gonna just buy another phone, but then I found the batteries on Ebay for about $6 (shipped). I have since bought them twice, and they all lasted as long as the original one. (1.5 years). But the phone itself is badly worn, so I think I'm gonna get a new one this time. I wish I could just use common AAA batteries.... Thats just like I was looking at a digital camera in the store. Nice camera, but as soon as I found out it needed a special dedicated battery pack (which costs $60), I put the camera back on the shelf and left the store. Most of my photos are taken outdoors, in places where there are no outlets to plug in a charger. I'll just stick with my old camera that uses common AA alkaline or rechargable batteries. (I always carry spares, and almost every gas station and store sells them. I won't buy a camera that uses AA batteries. They are WAY too expensive. I just replaced the battery on my good digital camera - $22 for 2 batteries plus a charger. On my wife's point and shoot I got 2 batteries for $9. On my last aa powered camera rechargeable nimh or nicads were useless a day after taking off the charger and were only good for a max 50 shots if I worked fast. Lithium AAs were good for about 400 shots without flash, with a shelf life of over a year. Alkalines were good for mabee 100 shots Current camera with the special lithium polymer battery pack is good for closer to 800 shots and recharges in an hour.. I'd NEVER go back. I can't immagine a cell phone running on AAs It would be twice as bulky as my smart phone and I'd have a big box of dead or half-dead batteries flying around. Putting in fresh batteries every day or so just to be sure it doesn't die is a PAIN. I just plug mine in every night. I carry a charger in the car but in over 5 years it has NEVER gone dead on me - even when I was away from home and didn't charge it for 3 days.. There are AA powered rechargers that you can carry with you for emergency recharges. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:14:21 -0400, Mike Duffy
wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:53:40 -0400, wrote: I can't immagine a cell phone running on AAs It would be twice as bulky as my smart phone [...] There are AA powered rechargers that you can carry with you for emergency recharges. If you are using a smartphone all the time (display on, accessing the network for data continually, using bluetooth or WiFi), an overnight charge is almost completely used during a 16 hour workday of the Li-polymer battery. I submit that two AAA (not AA) Ni-hydride batteries would easily provide 16 hrs standby plus a reasonable hour or so of talk time if it had no display / WiFi / Bluetooth. Some people really don't use those functions. Two AAAs would not be much more bulky than current Li-polymers. So instead of carrying a charger that uses AAs, just carry a few AAA lithiums for true (911) emergencies. That is theory. Here is fact. The battery on my smartphone is 1/2 the thickness of the diameter of a AAA battery and 3 diameters wide - it is 8 watt hours of power or 2100mah. at 3.8 volts. AAA nimh batteries peak out at about 1000mah - half the capacity of the little lithium in my smartphone. My smartphone is on wifi virtually all day - it got a lot of use today and WILL require a full charge. It would have pretty well exhaused 2 sets of AAA high quality nimh batteries. It would have killed at least 3 sets of enerloops. 2 sets of good standard alkalines would be consumed. |
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Very simple to dispose of them. Return to point of purchase for refund. Hitting with a hammer is likely to ensure they DO start on fire. But that would be a CONTROLLED BURN |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 22:46:47 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:53:40 -0400, wrote: I won't buy a camera that uses AA batteries. They are WAY too expensive. I just replaced the battery on my good digital camera - $22 I can take about 200 photos on a pair of AA alkaline batteries, and I buy the cheap ones at the Dollar stores, which cost $1 to $2 for 4 of them. The camera is a Canon, about 5 years old. 400 photos for a dollar or two is cheap enough. I have a couple Canon A400s that use AAs. I get the ones from Costco and they last quite a while. I keep a camera on the boat and one here for shooting miscellaneous pictures of stuff. My Panasonic DMC-ZS8 camera that uses a LiON battery will last a whole vacation and hundreds of pictures without a charge. |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 07:49:02 -0000 (UTC), gregz
wrote: Don't go nuts, just take out the battery. Put it in a bucket of sand if you are paranoid. Newer smartphones don't have easily removable batteries. Greg That is one of the selling points of the S/7. You can replace the battery without taking the phone apart. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:01:34 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:56:49 -0400, Mike Duffy wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:21:35 -0400, wrote: Maybe the smartphones are just bad news all the way around. I'll stick with my old $20 flip phone. The only thing wrong with the batteries in them, is that they only last about 1 - 1/2 years. I'm on my 3rd battery on this 4 year old phone, and it's needing to be charged twice daily now. I think I'll spend the $20 to get a newer flip phone this time around. I know that lithium polymer batteries have a higher charge density, but there's nothing that beats the convenience of getting fresh batteries in (dare I say it) a convenience store. .. I don't understand that. My 3-4 year old Convoy (Samsung flip) will run for over a week on a charge. I admit I don't make a lot of calls tho. I don't understand his short battery life either. Most phones I've had the battery lasted the life of the phone, ~4 to 5 years. I think I bought a new battery once on Ebay. Current smartphone is about 3 years old and the battery still lasts as long as when new. |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 07:49:02 -0000 (UTC), gregz
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:35:12 -0400, wrote: It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries starting on fire. They even evacuated a commercial plane because of one of them (instead of just tossing the phone out a door or window.. kinda dumb). So how do you get rid of them? You cant just toss them in the garbage because the garbage could start on fire. I wonder if smashing the phone with a sledge hammer would do the trick. Or what about tossing them in a container of sulfuric acid? I suppose we will soon find these phones laying in rural road ditches, and in city sewers because people are afraid of them, and dont know how to get rid of them. I think the real solution is for Samsung to go to the residence of each and every phone owner, to reimburse the customer and take these "firebombs" back to their factory, where they can burn down their business for not properly testing their products. It would serve them right if they burned and went bankrupt. I'm glad I dont own one.... And will never buy a Samsung product..... Don't go nuts, just take out the battery. Put it in a bucket of sand if you are paranoid. Newer smartphones don't have easily removable batteries. Greg Apples phones don't have easily replaceable batteries. Blackberries do. So do lots of others. |
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On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 4:54:20 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:35:12 -0400, wrote: It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries starting on fire. I'm glad I dont own one.... And will never buy a Samsung product..... The particular phone is a serious problem but I've had other Samsung phones for years. It is a battery problem, not a phone problem. I have a half dozen Samsung products and they are all good quality. My Samsung SafeLink Phone is the size of a small remote control, uses proven, mature technology and will idle for weeks on a single charge. It will do texting but the dang buttons are too small for me to see after I had cataract surgery which made me farsighted. I must switch to 4X reading glasses to clearly see the small letters on the buttons and screen. It's a fraking phone which is what I want it to be. All I want is a simple cellphone that will make phone calls! I don't want a cellphone that's the size of a tablet computer with front and rear facing cameras. I don't want a smartass phone to control a house or open a garage door. I have Android and Fire tablet computers that will do all sorts of things. I have MagicJacks I use for phone calls and can download an app from MagicJack for my Android tablet that will allow me to make phone calls from the tablet. Perhaps I should play around with that app for my own amusement? ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~{} Uncle Phone Monster |
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On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 10:05:41 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 4:54:20 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:35:12 -0400, wrote: It looks like Samsung cant fix the problem of these phone batteries starting on fire. I'm glad I dont own one.... And will never buy a Samsung product..... The particular phone is a serious problem but I've had other Samsung phones for years. It is a battery problem, not a phone problem. I have a half dozen Samsung products and they are all good quality. My Samsung SafeLink Phone is the size of a small remote control, uses proven, mature technology and will idle for weeks on a single charge. It will do texting but the dang buttons are too small for me to see after I had cataract surgery which made me farsighted. I must switch to 4X reading glasses to clearly see the small letters on the buttons and screen. It's a fraking phone which is what I want it to be. All I want is a simple cellphone that will make phone calls! I don't want a cellphone that's the size of a tablet computer with front and rear facing cameras. I don't want a smartass phone to control a house or open a garage door. I have Android and Fire tablet computers that will do all sorts of things. I have MagicJacks I use for phone calls and can download an app from MagicJack for my Android tablet that will allow me to make phone calls from the tablet. Perhaps I should play around with that app for my own amusement? ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~{} Uncle Phone Monster I'm just tossing this out and absolutely meaning nothing personal. I believe that you are level-headed enough to take these comments in the spirit in which they are intended. Here goes... "I don't want a smartass phone to control a house or open a garage door.. I have Android and Fire tablet computers that will do all sorts of things." It is my understanding that, at least for now, you are not as mobile as you would like to be. If you had your new knees and any other required modifications ;-) is it possible that your non-want of a smartass phone might change? If you were fully mobile, jumping in and out of cars, going on outings, working, etc. don't you think that it would be nice to have a single device that did most of the things that you now use multiple devices to do? AFAICT, you are a very tech-savvy guy. I'm guessing that if your situation were different, you'd embrace a smartass phone in a NY second. Cousin Suspecting Monster |
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why should i ever buy a new battery for a verizon prepaid flip phone? replacemnt phones from wall mart are $12.88
' just buy a new phone, batteries plus wanted 35 bucks for a replacement battery,,,,,,,, |
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On 10/22/2016 3:08 PM, bob haller wrote:
why should i ever buy a new battery for a verizon prepaid flip phone? replacemnt phones from wall mart are $12.88 ' just buy a new phone, batteries plus wanted 35 bucks for a replacement battery,,,,,,,, Try eBay for things like that. |
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 15:57:13 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 10/22/2016 3:08 PM, bob haller wrote: why should i ever buy a new battery for a verizon prepaid flip phone? replacemnt phones from wall mart are $12.88 ' just buy a new phone, batteries plus wanted 35 bucks for a replacement battery,,,,,,,, Try eBay for things like that. I've gotten batteries for my flip phone on ebay for $5 shipped. Otherwise I would have bought another phone, but probably just taken the battery from the new phone, because to change phones means I have to retype around 250 contacts. Not to mention the activation hassle. I have yet to find a way to use the built in bluetooth to transfer contacts, however I had a young guy look at it and he said I "might" be able to transfer them one at a time. but there is no way to transfer pictures (wallpapers), sounds, or ringtones. The sounds are no biggie, and the pictures are saved from the internet (no camera), but it's still many hours of work to set up a new phone. That is the one advantage to smartphones, you can just transfer all the data using a mini-SD card. I just saw someone do that, and the phones were not the same brand. But a smartphone would cost me 3 or 4 times as much as I pay now (per month), and I dont need any of the other features. Nor do I want to try to learn how to use it. I like 'simple'. |
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