Rain harvest system

Oh sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain Gutters

Oh Sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain gutters are simple unless you have tilted fascia boards and you
didn't know they needed flashing until after you install them. Even with
youtube I seemed to make these two tasks as difficult as possible. The
outcome was good, up to now, but required more effort than I imagined
and I still have to put in another 20 ft of gutters.

I'm trying to equalize the pressure in the 55gal poly sealed rain
barrels (not stacked.) I have 1/4" vinyl tubing with grommets, elbows
and tees, but its a sealed system so the pressure can get relatively
high. not sure how high tho. Never put 1/4" vinyl tubing w/ grommets to
the test.

Anyone that worked with a sealed system? I'm trying to avoid an
overflow. I could put an overflow on the 1st barrel if there is no other
alternative thereby eliminating the water pressure at the top of the
barrel. An overflow seems to be the simpler alternative.

dw

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 10:41:48 AM UTC-4, dream weaver wrote:
Rain harvest system

Oh sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain Gutters

Oh Sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain gutters are simple unless you have tilted fascia boards and you
didn't know they needed flashing until after you install them. Even with
youtube I seemed to make these two tasks as difficult as possible. The
outcome was good, up to now, but required more effort than I imagined
and I still have to put in another 20 ft of gutters.

I'm trying to equalize the pressure in the 55gal poly sealed rain
barrels (not stacked.) I have 1/4" vinyl tubing with grommets, elbows
and tees, but its a sealed system so the pressure can get relatively
high. not sure how high tho. Never put 1/4" vinyl tubing w/ grommets to
the test.


How can you wind up with high pressure in a gravity fed rain barrel?
I don't understand the pressure problem and having a sealed system
is nuts, because as water comes in, air has to go out.
I suppose 1/4" for interconnection could work, but I would have used
1/2" or larger, why use something small that's easier to get plugged up?


Anyone that worked with a sealed system? I'm trying to avoid an
overflow. I could put an overflow on the 1st barrel if there is no other
alternative thereby eliminating the water pressure at the top of the
barrel. An overflow seems to be the simpler alternative.

dw

Unless you have barrel capacity to take the worst case possible rain
fall, it would seem you need an overflow so the water goes somewhere
planned.

"dream weaver" wrote in message ...
Rain harvest system

Oh sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain Gutters

Oh Sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain gutters are simple unless you have tilted fascia boards and you
didn't know they needed flashing until after you install them. Even with
youtube I seemed to make these two tasks as difficult as possible. The
outcome was good, up to now, but required more effort than I imagined
and I still have to put in another 20 ft of gutters.

I'm trying to equalize the pressure in the 55gal poly sealed rain
barrels (not stacked.) I have 1/4" vinyl tubing with grommets, elbows
and tees, but its a sealed system so the pressure can get relatively
high. not sure how high tho. Never put 1/4" vinyl tubing w/ grommets to
the test.

Anyone that worked with a sealed system? I'm trying to avoid an
overflow. I could put an overflow on the 1st barrel if there is no other
alternative thereby eliminating the water pressure at the top of the
barrel. An overflow seems to be the simpler alternative.

dw

I'm glad to see your posting. Thinking about doing the same thing here before the rainy season. Sounds like you have put a lot of thought into this. Can you sketch out your system and upload to tinypic.com?

On 8/16/2016 10:10 AM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
"dream weaver" wrote in message ...
Rain harvest system

Oh sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain Gutters

Oh Sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain gutters are simple unless you have tilted fascia boards and you
didn't know they needed flashing until after you install them. Even with
youtube I seemed to make these two tasks as difficult as possible. The
outcome was good, up to now, but required more effort than I imagined
and I still have to put in another 20 ft of gutters.

I'm trying to equalize the pressure in the 55gal poly sealed rain
barrels (not stacked.) I have 1/4" vinyl tubing with grommets, elbows
and tees, but its a sealed system so the pressure can get relatively
high. not sure how high tho. Never put 1/4" vinyl tubing w/ grommets to
the test.

Anyone that worked with a sealed system? I'm trying to avoid an
overflow. I could put an overflow on the 1st barrel if there is no other
alternative thereby eliminating the water pressure at the top of the
barrel. An overflow seems to be the simpler alternative.

dw

I'm glad to see your posting. Thinking about doing the same thing here before the rainy season. Sounds like you have put a lot of thought into this. Can you sketch out your system and upload to tinypic.com?

I'm posting the barrels as we speak but if your doing gutters this guy
does a good job BUT he doesn't mention the flashing. I followed his
instructions and the gutter is great minus the flashing. Mine is tilted
which complicates things a bit but if your fascia is flat his method is
pretty bomber. You don't need to use rivets on the drainage. Some of the
other stuff he does is pretty funny to. His drain on one of the small
gutters looks kind of Escher-ish. I use tin snips but mostly a cheap BD
jig saw w/ sharp blades. worked fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQiBaVIAaPI

Just please don't forget flashing. The way I did it was comical but it's
still good.

"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 10:41:48 AM UTC-4, dream weaver wrote:
Rain harvest system

Oh sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain Gutters

Oh Sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain gutters are simple unless you have tilted fascia boards and you
didn't know they needed flashing until after you install them. Even with
youtube I seemed to make these two tasks as difficult as possible. The
outcome was good, up to now, but required more effort than I imagined
and I still have to put in another 20 ft of gutters.

I'm trying to equalize the pressure in the 55gal poly sealed rain
barrels (not stacked.) I have 1/4" vinyl tubing with grommets, elbows
and tees, but its a sealed system so the pressure can get relatively
high. not sure how high tho. Never put 1/4" vinyl tubing w/ grommets to
the test.


How can you wind up with high pressure in a gravity fed rain barrel?
I don't understand the pressure problem and having a sealed system
is nuts, because as water comes in, air has to go out.

+1

On 8/16/2016 1:11 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 10:41:48 AM UTC-4, dream weaver wrote:
Rain harvest system

Oh sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain Gutters

Oh Sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain gutters are simple unless you have tilted fascia boards and you
didn't know they needed flashing until after you install them. Even with
youtube I seemed to make these two tasks as difficult as possible. The
outcome was good, up to now, but required more effort than I imagined
and I still have to put in another 20 ft of gutters.

I'm trying to equalize the pressure in the 55gal poly sealed rain
barrels (not stacked.) I have 1/4" vinyl tubing with grommets, elbows
and tees, but its a sealed system so the pressure can get relatively
high. not sure how high tho. Never put 1/4" vinyl tubing w/ grommets to
the test.


How can you wind up with high pressure in a gravity fed rain barrel?
I don't understand the pressure problem and having a sealed system
is nuts, because as water comes in, air has to go out.

+1



Both are correct. My IQ used to be relatively high. It isn't
(apparently) anymore.

I went ahead and finished the barrels. The pressure goes into the drain
in my system. I’d still recommend getting the seals on the grommets as
tight as possible. If the preasure doesn’t get released it builds and
the intake starts gulping. I can store about 30 gal more with the
semi-sealed system; at least. Already tested works great, but , if I did
it again, I’d go one step larger on the air hose just to be sure.

Review on the “Catch-a-raindrop” “colander” diverter. Yeah. It works but
I’m sure a couple more bucks would get you a way better diverter.

On these you can see the two manifolds on the four barrel system. One
for air and one for water.

On the two barrel system I used a overflow drain on the 30 gal
reservoir. A two system this way works great but continues to recycle
water through the system. Not a big deal. Way simple setup but only
about 80 gal.

http://www.safaricabs.com/rain.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain1.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain2.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain3.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain4.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain5.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain6.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain7.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain8.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain9.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain10.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain11.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain12.jpg

The last 3 are the gutters I installed. Look at the flashing. I put it
on AFTER I installed the gutters. Don’t ask. Install worked out nice
despite the boner mistake and added effort. That’s what I get for taking
UBoob so seriously. The wedges are measured using a plumb bob and
combination square.

This is me complimenting the guy that taught me how to install gutters
backwards.

Your video was so helpful. I did the same thing as you with the flashing
between the gutter and the fascia but it's very simple for me to adjust
the flashing in. Fortunately I'm only doing a simple install. Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQiBaVIAaPI

Anyway…He’s pretty frunny-but if you install the gutters be sure to put
the flashing up first.

dw out

"dream weaver" wrote in message ...
On 8/16/2016 1:11 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 10:41:48 AM UTC-4, dream weaver wrote:
Rain harvest system

Oh sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain Gutters

Oh Sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain gutters are simple unless you have tilted fascia boards and you
didn't know they needed flashing until after you install them. Even with
youtube I seemed to make these two tasks as difficult as possible. The
outcome was good, up to now, but required more effort than I imagined
and I still have to put in another 20 ft of gutters.

I'm trying to equalize the pressure in the 55gal poly sealed rain
barrels (not stacked.) I have 1/4" vinyl tubing with grommets, elbows
and tees, but its a sealed system so the pressure can get relatively
high. not sure how high tho. Never put 1/4" vinyl tubing w/ grommets to
the test.


How can you wind up with high pressure in a gravity fed rain barrel?
I don't understand the pressure problem and having a sealed system
is nuts, because as water comes in, air has to go out.

+1



Both are correct. My IQ used to be relatively high. It isn't
(apparently) anymore.

I went ahead and finished the barrels. The pressure goes into the drain
in my system. I’d still recommend getting the seals on the grommets as
tight as possible. If the preasure doesn’t get released it builds and
the intake starts gulping. I can store about 30 gal more with the
semi-sealed system; at least. Already tested works great, but , if I did
it again, I’d go one step larger on the air hose just to be sure.

Review on the “Catch-a-raindrop” “colander” diverter. Yeah. It works but
I’m sure a couple more bucks would get you a way better diverter.

On these you can see the two manifolds on the four barrel system. One
for air and one for water.

On the two barrel system I used a overflow drain on the 30 gal
reservoir. A two system this way works great but continues to recycle
water through the system. Not a big deal. Way simple setup but only
about 80 gal.

http://www.safaricabs.com/rain.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain1.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain2.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain3.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain4.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain5.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain6.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain7.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain8.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain9.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain10.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain11.jpg
http://www.safaricabs.com/rain12.jpg

The last 3 are the gutters I installed. Look at the flashing. I put it
on AFTER I installed the gutters. Don’t ask. Install worked out nice
despite the boner mistake and added effort. That’s what I get for taking
UBoob so seriously. The wedges are measured using a plumb bob and
combination square.

This is me complimenting the guy that taught me how to install gutters
backwards.

Your video was so helpful. I did the same thing as you with the flashing
between the gutter and the fascia but it's very simple for me to adjust
the flashing in. Fortunately I'm only doing a simple install. Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQiBaVIAaPI

Anyway…He’s pretty frunny-but if you install the gutters be sure to put
the flashing up first.

dw out

Thanks for the great photos and taking the time to explain.I know all about installing flashing as an after thought! LOL!

One house had a wooden patio cover installed wrong by previous owner. Not knowing any better, I didn't think twice about it until the wood under the overhang started rotting. He had removed the fascia board and installed the patio cover beams up against the overhang. Rain would run down on the cover beams and then back under the overhang. It ran down the wall and into the top of the sliding door, eventually damaging the floor. That's when I noticed there was a problem....

There was no easy way to correct it without rebuilding the cover, so I installed flashing all along where the fascia had been removed, directing water away from the structure, and hung a short gutter underneath moving the water off the patio. Eventually the patio cover was torn down, repairs made, new fascia installed. No patio cover this time - just a large free-standing cover.

On 8/16/2016 9:41 AM, dream weaver wrote:
Rain harvest system

Oh sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain Gutters

Oh Sure. Sounds real simple.

Rain gutters are simple unless you have tilted fascia boards and you
didn't know they needed flashing until after you install them. Even with
youtube I seemed to make these two tasks as difficult as possible. The
outcome was good, up to now, but required more effort than I imagined
and I still have to put in another 20 ft of gutters.

I'm trying to equalize the pressure in the 55gal poly sealed rain
barrels (not stacked.) I have 1/4" vinyl tubing with grommets, elbows
and tees, but its a sealed system so the pressure can get relatively
high. not sure how high tho. Never put 1/4" vinyl tubing w/ grommets to
the test.

Anyone that worked with a sealed system? I'm trying to avoid an
overflow. I could put an overflow on the 1st barrel if there is no other
alternative thereby eliminating the water pressure at the top of the
barrel. An overflow seems to be the simpler alternative.

dw

I've been through two good sized rains and this is my verdict:

MANIFOLD TUBES:

On mine i should have stepped all the hose sizes up. The 3/4" for the
bottom manifold is too small for a quick clean out and the 1/4" air
transfer manifold isn't big enough for a couple of reasons.

1) the air probably doesn't transfer fast enough and

2) it can be your de facto overflow, if you need one.

I see why people like pvc but I like tubing for convince. The good PVC
setups have expensive unions that don't seem to be necessary. A hose
clamp works here just as good. Plus, gluing stuff is too permanent for
me. When I do my next project I'm going with 1" or greater for the
bottom manifold.

SWIRL VS FIRST FLUSH FILTER

The 3 gal swirl filter is too small, as predicted, but it can serve as a
leaf catcher by putting a weir grid over the 55gal intake (inside the
swirl) and submerging the intake.

A media bag can then be attached to the pipe that goes into the first
barrel.

It looks like to me, first flush is probably best before a real swirl
filter. A swirl filter can be made of the primary 55gal drum. If the
drum is on a separate outlet and the manifold is extended to the top of
the tank you can drain the first tank in one to two weeks and hold the
filtered water for later. I've seen setups like this on massive
harvesting systems.

If you need a smaller swirl there are some pretty good examples on
youtube and probably some real crappy ones. I'd recommend starting at 5
or 10 gal bucket plus a water jug upside down in the bottom like some of
the youtube examples and it's probably too much work for most.

dw