I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with
the prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover
broke and rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the
brittleness caused by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this
light and decided to make another cover out of wood which came out
pretty good. My only concern is that heat again. I drilled little holes
to help vent it but it's still a concern. I used a small piece of black
walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I used my thermal imaging
device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the unit which
reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be too
hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

On 6/10/2016 6:42 PM, Meanie wrote:
I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with the
prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover broke and
rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the brittleness caused
by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this light and decided to make
another cover out of wood which came out pretty good. My only concern is that
heat again. I drilled little holes to help vent it but it's still a concern. I
used a small piece of black walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I
used my thermal imaging device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the
unit which reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be
too hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

Wood starts to char at about 220F. Dry wood won't ignite until closer
to 400F.

But, I'm not sure how much cooler (than charring) you can safely operate.
I think even at ~200F for long enough time you'll see some discoloration
of the wood. Whether/when that poses a fire risk would be hard to say...

Note that you also have to consider what happens if the transformer fails
or degrades, over time.

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 10:11:21 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/10/2016 6:42 PM, Meanie wrote:
I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with the
prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover broke and
rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the brittleness caused
by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this light and decided to make
another cover out of wood which came out pretty good. My only concern is that
heat again. I drilled little holes to help vent it but it's still a concern. I
used a small piece of black walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I
used my thermal imaging device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the
unit which reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be
too hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

Wood starts to char at about 220F. Dry wood won't ignite until closer
to 400F.

But, I'm not sure how much cooler (than charring) you can safely operate.
I think even at ~200F for long enough time you'll see some discoloration
of the wood. Whether/when that poses a fire risk would be hard to say...

Note that you also have to consider what happens if the transformer fails
or degrades, over time.

you could add a thermal fuse to open the circuit if the temperature exceeds the combustion temp of the wood. this also protects from malfunction overheating.

why not convert to a LED bulb/s nearly zero heat that way

On 6/10/2016 8:03 PM, bob haller wrote:
you could add a thermal fuse to open the circuit if the temperature exceeds
the combustion temp of the wood. this also protects from malfunction
overheating.

why not convert to a LED bulb/s nearly zero heat that way

I'd be more interested in replacing the xformer with something like
a "brick" salvaged from an LCD monitor or laptop. You know it's
ratings (power) and know that it's been designed in a package
that can handle those limits...

But, that means knowing the output characteristics of the old xformer

On 6/10/2016 10:11 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/10/2016 6:42 PM, Meanie wrote:
I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with the
prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover broke
and
rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the brittleness
caused
by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this light and decided
to make
another cover out of wood which came out pretty good. My only concern
is that
heat again. I drilled little holes to help vent it but it's still a
concern. I
used a small piece of black walnut I had laying around to make the
shell. I
used my thermal imaging device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the
temp of the
unit which reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this
would be
too hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

Wood starts to char at about 220F. Dry wood won't ignite until closer
to 400F.

But, I'm not sure how much cooler (than charring) you can safely operate.
I think even at ~200F for long enough time you'll see some discoloration
of the wood. Whether/when that poses a fire risk would be hard to say...

Note that you also have to consider what happens if the transformer fails
or degrades, over time.

Good info. Thank you

The failing suggestions leads me to think that's what may be happening.
Because it become hot when I plugged it in, I unplugged it when I'm not
here. Before posting this question, I plugged it in again and felt it
after a few minutes. It's cool to the touch. Not even warm. Therefore, I
left it overnight and as I type, it's still cool. What the hell?

On 6/10/2016 11:03 PM, bob haller wrote:
On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 10:11:21 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/10/2016 6:42 PM, Meanie wrote:
I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with the
prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover broke and
rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the brittleness caused
by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this light and decided to make
another cover out of wood which came out pretty good. My only concern is that
heat again. I drilled little holes to help vent it but it's still a concern. I
used a small piece of black walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I
used my thermal imaging device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the
unit which reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be
too hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

Wood starts to char at about 220F. Dry wood won't ignite until closer
to 400F.

But, I'm not sure how much cooler (than charring) you can safely operate.
I think even at ~200F for long enough time you'll see some discoloration
of the wood. Whether/when that poses a fire risk would be hard to say...

Note that you also have to consider what happens if the transformer fails
or degrades, over time.

you could add a thermal fuse to open the circuit if the temperature exceeds the combustion temp of the wood. this also protects from malfunction overheating.

why not convert to a LED bulb/s nearly zero heat that way


Agreed. I've upgraded my entire house to LED but I have a problem with
throwing something away if it can still be used or still serves a good
function. My mindset is if I can repair, why buy anew. I like the
articulating features of the lamp due to it's reach. If I can replace
the bulb to LED, I'll go that route.

On 6/11/2016 4:28 AM, Meanie wrote:

The failing suggestions leads me to think that's what may be happening. Because
it become hot when I plugged it in, I unplugged it when I'm not here. Before
posting this question, I plugged it in again and felt it after a few minutes.
It's cool to the touch. Not even warm. Therefore, I left it overnight and as I
type, it's still cool. What the hell?

Even without a "load", a transformer "consumes power" in the form of
eddy currents in the laminations (of the core).

You may, also, have a failing transformer (winding that is shorting
out due to a failure of its insulation).

Or, a failure in the "load" that is causing a persistent (or intermittent)
additional burden on the transformer.

[Note that the transformer is undoubtedly sized JUST BIG ENOUGH to handle
the expected load. If that load is changing, then it is possible that
the transformer is being overtaxed and getting warmer]

If possible, I'd look at the transformer to see it's rated secondary
voltage (is it a transformer for an incandescent lamp? or, a *ballast*
for a fluorescent one??!) as well as its power rating (may be present
on a nameplate, somewhere).

If possible, consider replacing it -- even at the inconvenience of
having to rewire the lamp -- with an external transformer. I've done this
with one of the 12V halogen fixtures, here. And, I'm currently looking
for a suitable "power supply" that I can modify (variable output/"dimmer")
for an "illuminator" (columnar light source) that I use with my
stereomicroscope. Easier than trying to find the original (old!) device.

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 8:47:05 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

If possible, I'd look at the transformer to see it's rated secondary
voltage (is it a transformer for an incandescent lamp? or, a *ballast*
for a fluorescent one??!) as well as its power rating (may be present
on a nameplate, somewhere).


....you sure write a lot without reading his 1st sentence!

"I have a fluorescent desk light..."

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 8:43:02 PM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with
the prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover
broke and rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the
brittleness caused by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this
light and decided to make another cover out of wood which came out
pretty good. My only concern is that heat again. I drilled little holes
to help vent it but it's still a concern. I used a small piece of black
walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I used my thermal imaging
device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the unit which
reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be too
hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

If I had a fluorescent desk lamp such as the one you are attached to, I'd get and electronic ballast, put it into a plastic or metal project box and use a one or two foot power cord run into one end of the box then run the cord from the lamp into the other end of the project box then hook everything up. I've used diecast project boxes for things like that. Rubber feet are a good touch. ^_^

http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=...tronic+ballast

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...=project+boxes

http://tinyurl.com/z9otdv7

[8~{} Uncle Project Monster

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:09:27 +0100, bob_villain wrote:

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 8:47:05 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

If possible, I'd look at the transformer to see it's rated secondary
voltage (is it a transformer for an incandescent lamp? or, a *ballast*
for a fluorescent one??!) as well as its power rating (may be present
on a nameplate, somewhere).


...you sure write a lot without reading his 1st sentence!

"I have a fluorescent desk light..."

And there could be a transformer to lower the mains voltage, then a seperate ballast.

--
It is OK to let your mind go blank, but please turn off the sound.

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 02:42:36 +0100, Meanie wrote:

I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with
the prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover
broke and rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the
brittleness caused by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this
light and decided to make another cover out of wood which came out
pretty good. My only concern is that heat again. I drilled little holes
to help vent it but it's still a concern. I used a small piece of black
walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I used my thermal imaging
device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the unit which
reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be too
hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

100F, not so bad. 100C, bad.

--
It is OK to let your mind go blank, but please turn off the sound.

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:31:23 +0100, Meanie wrote:

On 6/10/2016 11:03 PM, bob haller wrote:
On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 10:11:21 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/10/2016 6:42 PM, Meanie wrote:
I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with the
prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover broke and
rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the brittleness caused
by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this light and decided to make
another cover out of wood which came out pretty good. My only concern is that
heat again. I drilled little holes to help vent it but it's still a concern. I
used a small piece of black walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I
used my thermal imaging device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the
unit which reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be
too hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

Wood starts to char at about 220F. Dry wood won't ignite until closer
to 400F.

But, I'm not sure how much cooler (than charring) you can safely operate.
I think even at ~200F for long enough time you'll see some discoloration
of the wood. Whether/when that poses a fire risk would be hard to say...

Note that you also have to consider what happens if the transformer fails
or degrades, over time.

you could add a thermal fuse to open the circuit if the temperature exceeds the combustion temp of the wood. this also protects from malfunction overheating.

why not convert to a LED bulb/s nearly zero heat that way


Agreed. I've upgraded my entire house to LED but I have a problem with
throwing something away if it can still be used or still serves a good
function. My mindset is if I can repair, why buy anew. I like the
articulating features of the lamp due to it's reach. If I can replace
the bulb to LED, I'll go that route.

There are LED tubes available on Ebay to replace most fluorescent tubes. Then you just remove all the ballast stuff and feed mains directly to the LED.

--
How come the dove gets to be the peace symbol? How about the pillow? It has more feathers than the dove, and it doesn't have that dangerous beak!

On 6/11/2016 5:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 02:42:36 +0100, Meanie wrote:

I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with
the prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover
broke and rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the
brittleness caused by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this
light and decided to make another cover out of wood which came out
pretty good. My only concern is that heat again. I drilled little holes
to help vent it but it's still a concern. I used a small piece of black
walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I used my thermal imaging
device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the unit which
reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be too
hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

100F, not so bad. 100C, bad.


Then I'm safer. F it is.

On 6/11/2016 5:44 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:


I love those kind of lights because you can put the light where you need it.


Now you know why I want to keep it.

On 6/11/2016 2:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:09:27 +0100, bob_villain wrote:

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 8:47:05 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

If possible, I'd look at the transformer to see it's rated secondary
voltage (is it a transformer for an incandescent lamp? or, a *ballast*
for a fluorescent one??!) as well as its power rating (may be present
on a nameplate, somewhere).

...you sure write a lot without reading his 1st sentence!

"I have a fluorescent desk light..."

And there could be a transformer to lower the mains voltage, then a seperate
ballast.

Yes. Some folks jump to conclusions -- without having (or trying to
ascertain) the facts, first!

There are fluorescent lamps in every LCD monitor. And, a ballast *in* the
monitor. Yet, all ALSO have a power supply -- either internally ALONGSIDE
the ballast/inverter *or* in an external brick. The fact that the
transformer was *in* the "PLUG" makes it even more likely that there
was a separate ballast elsewhere in the light. Otherwise, you'd be
pushing several hundred volts up the POWER CORD into the light (with
*more* than two conductors).

The OP could have clarified this EXPLICIT question. Villabozo apparently
thinks he can read minds and see through walls and across large distances.
Legend in his own mind.

On 6/11/2016 10:17 AM, Meanie wrote:
The plug and transformer looks just like this

So, the "plug" is more like a "module" with two (or three) prongs to bring
power *in* and a 2-pin connector to deliver power to the actual lamp?

I'll assume the "fine" (copper colored) wires were connected to the mains
side ("plug") and the heavier (insulted black) were connected to the
2-pin connector (shown at the bottom center)?

If this is the case, then the transformer is stepping DOWN -- the current
handling capacity of the fine wires being less than the current
handling capacity of the heavier wires. As "power" is relatively constant
across the transformer, if current is going UP (heavy black wires),
voltage is gong DOWN.

(A ballast would INCREASE voltage to the lamp AND require more than
just two wires)

Does the "module" have anything written on the back to suggest
its output voltage? (AC as no rectifier is in sight) And,
total power (Watts) or current (Amps)?

The lamp is this

Lots of places for stuff to be "hidden" inside the lamp. I.e.,
electronic ballast.

That grey plastic plug cover is what broke and I made another with the wood.
Though, I like the idea of using a project box, inserting a ballast style trans
and using it. If this one fails, that may be my next option or, I'll just cave
in for an LED lamp unless I can find a bulb for this one.

Figure out what the transformer actually *does* before settling on a
solution. I suspect you'll be able to find a salvage "wall wart"
(AC -- though DC *might* work) and just cut the plug that mates to
your "2-pin connector" off and attach it to the wall wart, instead.

Nice and clean and safe. (though white/grey might be hard to find)

On 6/11/2016 5:44 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I'll upgrade to an LED articulated arm magnifying light.

Should be standard equipment for anyone over 50

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 5:18:02 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

The OP could have clarified this EXPLICIT question. Villabozo apparently
thinks he can read minds and see through walls and across large distances.
Legend in his own mind.

Ah, but I *can* figure out the obvious!

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:02:14 +0100, Meanie wrote:

On 6/11/2016 5:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 02:42:36 +0100, Meanie wrote:

I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with
the prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover
broke and rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the
brittleness caused by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this
light and decided to make another cover out of wood which came out
pretty good. My only concern is that heat again. I drilled little holes
to help vent it but it's still a concern. I used a small piece of black
walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I used my thermal imaging
device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the unit which
reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be too
hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

100F, not so bad. 100C, bad.

Then I'm safer. F it is.

100F is near enough body temperature, I can't see wood getting upset by that, otherwise you touching a piece of wood would damage it! But are you measuring the hottest point?

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Only phone me with EMERGENCY problems (e.g. LPT1 on fire)

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:17:56 +0100, Don Y wrote:

On 6/11/2016 2:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:09:27 +0100, bob_villain wrote:

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 8:47:05 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

If possible, I'd look at the transformer to see it's rated secondary
voltage (is it a transformer for an incandescent lamp? or, a *ballast*
for a fluorescent one??!) as well as its power rating (may be present
on a nameplate, somewhere).

...you sure write a lot without reading his 1st sentence!

"I have a fluorescent desk light..."

And there could be a transformer to lower the mains voltage, then a seperate
ballast.

Yes. Some folks jump to conclusions -- without having (or trying to
ascertain) the facts, first!

There are fluorescent lamps in every LCD monitor. And, a ballast *in* the
monitor. Yet, all ALSO have a power supply -- either internally ALONGSIDE
the ballast/inverter *or* in an external brick. The fact that the
transformer was *in* the "PLUG" makes it even more likely that there
was a separate ballast elsewhere in the light. Otherwise, you'd be
pushing several hundred volts up the POWER CORD into the light (with
*more* than two conductors).

The OP could have clarified this EXPLICIT question. Villabozo apparently
thinks he can read minds and see through walls and across large distances.
Legend in his own mind.

Isn't he some TV DIY show bloke? Or just naming himself after one?

--
People used to believe TV sets weighed more when they were switched on, because the instructions stated "always switch off your set before attempting to move it".

On 6/11/2016 4:22 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
The OP could have clarified this EXPLICIT question. Villabozo apparently
thinks he can read minds and see through walls and across large distances.
Legend in his own mind.

Isn't he some TV DIY show bloke? Or just naming himself after one?

No idea what goes on in his little mind. I don't see his posts
(filters, here) so wouldn't have known about it without seeing your
reply.

shrug

Sad when people don't think about whether or not their conclusions
"make sense" -- even given limited information available in a post.

"Let's see... if THIS is true, then all these OTHER things
would implicitly follow. (high voltage in power cord, more than
two conductors -- possible... but probable??) Do they ALL make
sense? Are they all LIKELY? Esp given the price and safety
pressures applicable to the item??"

On 6/11/2016 4:21 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:02:14 +0100, Meanie wrote:

On 6/11/2016 5:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 02:42:36 +0100, Meanie wrote:

I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with
the prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover
broke and rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the
brittleness caused by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this
light and decided to make another cover out of wood which came out
pretty good. My only concern is that heat again. I drilled little holes
to help vent it but it's still a concern. I used a small piece of black
walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I used my thermal imaging
device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the unit which
reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be too
hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

100F, not so bad. 100C, bad.

Then I'm safer. F it is.

100F is near enough body temperature, I can't see wood getting upset by that,
otherwise you touching a piece of wood would damage it! But are you measuring
the hottest point?

I suspect there is a problem in the inverter *in* the lamp
("electronic ballast") that may be intermittent. So, the
wall wart sees a higher load and gets warm.

Hard to tell from the 2-terminal device in the photo
(black, one lead in a "curl") but that may be a temperature
operated cutout. Or, a PTC device (resettable fuse)

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 5:03:47 PM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 6/11/2016 5:44 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:

I love those kind of lights because you can put the light where you need it.

Now you know why I want to keep it.

I have 2 articulated arm desk lamps at home on my computer table so the keyboard is lit from both sides. The lamps have Edison base sockets and I put the unusual looking Phillips 800 lumen LED bulbs in the desk lamps. The lights are bulb shaped in one view but turn them 90° and the bulbs are flat. I had to search a bit to find them online for this post and as I remember, the light output color is very close to that of an incandescent bulb. I'd recommend the bulbs to anyone because the light output is great and the bulbs are easy to handle so clumsy old hands don't drop them. ^_^

https://www.amazon.com/Philips-60-Wa.../dp/B00I134ORI

http://tinyurl.com/jskvaad

[8~{} Uncle Light Monster

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 5:29:36 PM UTC-5, Pres. Byopic wrote:
On 6/11/2016 5:44 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I'll upgrade to an LED articulated arm magnifying light.

Should be standard equipment for anyone over 50

I'm over 60, do I count? ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Old Monster

On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

--
"The more you know, the less you believe"

On 06/11/2016 04:52 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

There are LED tubes available on Ebay to replace most fluorescent
tubes. Then you just remove all the ballast stuff and feed mains
directly to the LED.


I had a light like that, and didn't need the transformer any more. I put
it back in because the lamp needed the weight to keep from falling over.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Jim Bakker spells his name with 2 k's because 3 would be too obvious."
[Bill Maher, host of Politically Incorrect]

On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 00:47:30 +0100, Don Y wrote:

On 6/11/2016 4:21 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:02:14 +0100, Meanie wrote:

On 6/11/2016 5:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 02:42:36 +0100, Meanie wrote:

I have a fluorescent desk light which houses a small transformer with
the prongs and plugs into the wall. The original plastic shell/cover
broke and rendered the light unusable. I believe it broke due to the
brittleness caused by the heat from years of use. Anyway, I like this
light and decided to make another cover out of wood which came out
pretty good. My only concern is that heat again. I drilled little holes
to help vent it but it's still a concern. I used a small piece of black
walnut I had laying around to make the shell. I used my thermal imaging
device (Flir adapter for phone) to read the temp of the unit which
reached over 100 degrees. Therefore, I'm wondering if this would be too
hot for the wood and can it cause a fire?

100F, not so bad. 100C, bad.

Then I'm safer. F it is.

100F is near enough body temperature, I can't see wood getting upset by that,
otherwise you touching a piece of wood would damage it! But are you measuring
the hottest point?

I suspect there is a problem in the inverter *in* the lamp
("electronic ballast") that may be intermittent. So, the
wall wart sees a higher load and gets warm.

Hard to tell from the 2-terminal device in the photo
(black, one lead in a "curl") but that may be a temperature
operated cutout. Or, a PTC device (resettable fuse)

I had a fluorescent tube with a non-electronic ballast which would cause my UPS (which also runs the house lighting to make bulbs last longer) to hum loudly. Not sure what was wrong, but I traced it to the capacitor.

--
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 03:54:28 +0100, hah wrote:

On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

Worthy of a Nobel prize for inventing a new form of refrigeration.

--
Paddy takes his new wife to bed on their wedding night.
She undresses, lies on the bed spread-eagled and says
"You know what I want, don't you?"
"Yeah," says Paddy. "The whole flipping bed by the looks of it!"

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y wrote:

On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?

--
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whereas for women the driving is something that happens in addition to the conversation.

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:56:55 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

Why did you use the adjective "little"?

https://youtu.be/oqMN3y8k9So?t=1m
If you can withstand the horrid American accent.

--
We used to have Empires run by Emperors.
Then Kingdoms run by Kings.
Now we have Countries.....

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 9:08:10 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:56:55 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

Why did you use the adjective "little"?

https://youtu.be/oqMN3y8k9So?t=1m
If you can withstand the horrid American accent.
--

I used the term "little" to be truthful. When I was a young man, a bus could drive by and Mr.Happy came to attention. Now that I'm past 60, it takes a lot more to get me excited. A Playboy Bunny could sit in my lap, stick her tongue in my hairy ear and I'd tell her to stop it and go make me a sandwich. I'm in a lot of pain today and had a great deal of trouble getting out of my wheelchair and on to the toilet. Some days I suffer from a lot of pain and some days it's not so bad. That why I'm glad the facilities here at nursing and rehab center are handicapped friendly. ^_^

I too have a horrid American English accent, so sue me. Hell, even there in Jolly Old England you probably think someone from the other side of your country has a horrid English accent. As long as they're not Welsh. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Horrid Monster

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:00:22 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 9:08:10 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:56:55 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

Why did you use the adjective "little"?

https://youtu.be/oqMN3y8k9So?t=1m
If you can withstand the horrid American accent.
--

I used the term "little" to be truthful. When I was a young man, a bus could drive by and Mr.Happy came to attention. Now that I'm past 60, it takes a lot more to get me excited. A Playboy Bunny could sit in my lap, stick her tongue in my hairy ear and I'd tell her to stop it and go make me a sandwich. I'm in a lot of pain today and had a great deal of trouble getting out of my wheelchair and on to the toilet. Some days I suffer from a lot of pain and some days it's not so bad. That why I'm glad the facilities here at nursing and rehab center are handicapped friendly. ^_^

I too have a horrid American English accent, so sue me. Hell, even there in Jolly Old England you probably think someone from the other side of your country has a horrid English accent. As long as they're not Welsh. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Horrid Monster

There are plenty Americans in films that sound fine. Not all Americans have a ridiculously strong accent.

And are the nurses hot?

--
A military pilot called for a priority landing because his single-engine jet fighter was running "a bit peaked."
Air Traffic Control told the fighter jock that he was number two, behind a B-52 that had one engine shut down.
"Ah," the fighter pilot remarked, "The dreaded seven-engine approach."

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:11:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:00:22 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 9:08:10 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:56:55 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

Why did you use the adjective "little"?

https://youtu.be/oqMN3y8k9So?t=1m
If you can withstand the horrid American accent.
--

I used the term "little" to be truthful. When I was a young man, a bus could drive by and Mr.Happy came to attention. Now that I'm past 60, it takes a lot more to get me excited. A Playboy Bunny could sit in my lap, stick her tongue in my hairy ear and I'd tell her to stop it and go make me a sandwich. I'm in a lot of pain today and had a great deal of trouble getting out of my wheelchair and on to the toilet. Some days I suffer from a lot of pain and some days it's not so bad. That why I'm glad the facilities here at nursing and rehab center are handicapped friendly. ^_^

I too have a horrid American English accent, so sue me. Hell, even there in Jolly Old England you probably think someone from the other side of your country has a horrid English accent. As long as they're not Welsh. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Horrid Monster

There are plenty Americans in films that sound fine. Not all Americans have a ridiculously strong accent.

And are the nurses hot?
--

The nurses are wonderful and most of them are Negro Americans. Some of the CNA's,"Certified Nursing Assistants" are a bit off but most of them are great too. I tell my friends that I've been in the shower with more Black women than I have with White women. I've even been in the shower with Gay Black men. Of course they are the CNA's helping me bathe and they do have their clothes on. I have limited range of motion with my arms because of my torn up shoulders so it's wonderful to have someone scrub my back. It's so frustrating to be unable to fully care for myself. I need new or repaired knees and shoulders but the orthopedic surgeon has a concern about the blood circulation in my legs where I had a problem before. I don't know if I'll ever be able to get new knees but I keep hoping I can. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy Monster

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:44:40 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:11:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:00:22 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 9:08:10 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:56:55 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

Why did you use the adjective "little"?

https://youtu.be/oqMN3y8k9So?t=1m
If you can withstand the horrid American accent.
--

I used the term "little" to be truthful. When I was a young man, a bus could drive by and Mr.Happy came to attention. Now that I'm past 60, it takes a lot more to get me excited. A Playboy Bunny could sit in my lap, stick her tongue in my hairy ear and I'd tell her to stop it and go make me a sandwich. I'm in a lot of pain today and had a great deal of trouble getting out of my wheelchair and on to the toilet. Some days I suffer from a lot of pain and some days it's not so bad. That why I'm glad the facilities here at nursing and rehab center are handicapped friendly. ^_^

I too have a horrid American English accent, so sue me. Hell, even there in Jolly Old England you probably think someone from the other side of your country has a horrid English accent. As long as they're not Welsh. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Horrid Monster

There are plenty Americans in films that sound fine. Not all Americans have a ridiculously strong accent.

And are the nurses hot?
--

The nurses are wonderful and most of them are Negro Americans. Some of the CNA's,"Certified Nursing Assistants" are a bit off but most of them are great too. I tell my friends that I've been in the shower with more Black women than I have with White women. I've even been in the shower with Gay Black men. Of course they are the CNA's helping me bathe and they do have their clothes on. I have limited range of motion with my arms because of my torn up shoulders so it's wonderful to have someone scrub my back. It's so frustrating to be unable to fully care for myself. I need new or repaired knees and shoulders but the orthopedic surgeon has a concern about the blood circulation in my legs where I had a problem before. I don't know if I'll ever be able to get new knees but I keep hoping I can. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy Monster

You sound in a bit of a mess. You'd think by 2016 we'd have a bit more medical knowledge and could fix folk up better.

--
Why isn;t the apostrophe next to the L? Who ever uses the semicolon???

On 6/12/2016 7:10 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:44:40 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:11:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:00:22 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 9:08:10 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:56:55 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y
wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my
urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my
little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

Why did you use the adjective "little"?

https://youtu.be/oqMN3y8k9So?t=1m
If you can withstand the horrid American accent.
--

I used the term "little" to be truthful. When I was a young man, a
bus could drive by and Mr.Happy came to attention. Now that I'm past
60, it takes a lot more to get me excited. A Playboy Bunny could sit
in my lap, stick her tongue in my hairy ear and I'd tell her to stop
it and go make me a sandwich. I'm in a lot of pain today and had a
great deal of trouble getting out of my wheelchair and on to the
toilet. Some days I suffer from a lot of pain and some days it's not
so bad. That why I'm glad the facilities here at nursing and rehab
center are handicapped friendly. ^_^

I too have a horrid American English accent, so sue me. Hell, even
there in Jolly Old England you probably think someone from the other
side of your country has a horrid English accent. As long as they're
not Welsh. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Horrid Monster

There are plenty Americans in films that sound fine. Not all
Americans have a ridiculously strong accent.

And are the nurses hot?
--

The nurses are wonderful and most of them are Negro Americans. Some of
the CNA's,"Certified Nursing Assistants" are a bit off but most of
them are great too. I tell my friends that I've been in the shower
with more Black women than I have with White women. I've even been in
the shower with Gay Black men. Of course they are the CNA's helping me
bathe and they do have their clothes on. I have limited range of
motion with my arms because of my torn up shoulders so it's wonderful
to have someone scrub my back. It's so frustrating to be unable to
fully care for myself. I need new or repaired knees and shoulders but
the orthopedic surgeon has a concern about the blood circulation in my
legs where I had a problem before. I don't know if I'll ever be able
to get new knees but I keep hoping I can. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy Monster

You sound in a bit of a mess. You'd think by 2016 we'd have a bit more
medical knowledge and could fix folk up better.


That knowledge seems to emerge parallel with the wallet size of the patient.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:45:07 +0100, Meanie wrote:

On 6/12/2016 7:10 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:44:40 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:11:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:00:22 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 9:08:10 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:56:55 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y
wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my
urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my
little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

Why did you use the adjective "little"?

https://youtu.be/oqMN3y8k9So?t=1m
If you can withstand the horrid American accent.
--

I used the term "little" to be truthful. When I was a young man, a
bus could drive by and Mr.Happy came to attention. Now that I'm past
60, it takes a lot more to get me excited. A Playboy Bunny could sit
in my lap, stick her tongue in my hairy ear and I'd tell her to stop
it and go make me a sandwich. I'm in a lot of pain today and had a
great deal of trouble getting out of my wheelchair and on to the
toilet. Some days I suffer from a lot of pain and some days it's not
so bad. That why I'm glad the facilities here at nursing and rehab
center are handicapped friendly. ^_^

I too have a horrid American English accent, so sue me. Hell, even
there in Jolly Old England you probably think someone from the other
side of your country has a horrid English accent. As long as they're
not Welsh. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Horrid Monster

There are plenty Americans in films that sound fine. Not all
Americans have a ridiculously strong accent.

And are the nurses hot?
--

The nurses are wonderful and most of them are Negro Americans. Some of
the CNA's,"Certified Nursing Assistants" are a bit off but most of
them are great too. I tell my friends that I've been in the shower
with more Black women than I have with White women. I've even been in
the shower with Gay Black men. Of course they are the CNA's helping me
bathe and they do have their clothes on. I have limited range of
motion with my arms because of my torn up shoulders so it's wonderful
to have someone scrub my back. It's so frustrating to be unable to
fully care for myself. I need new or repaired knees and shoulders but
the orthopedic surgeon has a concern about the blood circulation in my
legs where I had a problem before. I don't know if I'll ever be able
to get new knees but I keep hoping I can. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy Monster

You sound in a bit of a mess. You'd think by 2016 we'd have a bit more
medical knowledge and could fix folk up better.


That knowledge seems to emerge parallel with the wallet size of the patient.

There are plenty things that cannot be fixed with any wallet.


--
Sign on a condom machine: HELP STAMP OUT PEOPLE!

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:44:40 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:11:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:00:22 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 9:08:10 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:56:55 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

Why did you use the adjective "little"?

https://youtu.be/oqMN3y8k9So?t=1m
If you can withstand the horrid American accent.
--

I used the term "little" to be truthful. When I was a young man, a bus could drive by and Mr.Happy came to attention. Now that I'm past 60, it takes a lot more to get me excited. A Playboy Bunny could sit in my lap, stick her tongue in my hairy ear and I'd tell her to stop it and go make me a sandwich. I'm in a lot of pain today and had a great deal of trouble getting out of my wheelchair and on to the toilet. Some days I suffer from a lot of pain and some days it's not so bad. That why I'm glad the facilities here at nursing and rehab center are handicapped friendly. ^_^

I too have a horrid American English accent, so sue me. Hell, even there in Jolly Old England you probably think someone from the other side of your country has a horrid English accent. As long as they're not Welsh. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Horrid Monster

There are plenty Americans in films that sound fine. Not all Americans have a ridiculously strong accent.

And are the nurses hot?
--

The nurses are wonderful and most of them are Negro Americans. Some of the CNA's,"Certified Nursing Assistants" are a bit off but most of them are great too. I tell my friends that I've been in the shower with more Black women than I have with White women. I've even been in the shower with Gay Black men. Of course they are the CNA's helping me bathe and they do have their clothes on. I have limited range of motion with my arms because of my torn up shoulders so it's wonderful to have someone scrub my back. It's so frustrating to be unable to fully care for myself. I need new or repaired knees and shoulders but the orthopedic surgeon has a concern about the blood circulation in my legs where I had a problem before. I don't know if I'll ever be able to get new knees but I keep hoping I can. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy Monster

You sound in a bit of a mess. You'd think by 2016 we'd have a bit more medical knowledge and could fix folk up better.
--

I have damage to my lower legs due to venous stasis. I have a venous stasis ulcer 4" tall that rings my lower right leg. It starts just above my ankle and there is NO skin, it's raw. I almost died a few years ago when it became septic. I spent 9 days in the ICU and another 7 days in the hospital under observation and on IV antibiotics. When I was released from the hospital, I was sent to a nursing home where I received a 21 day course of IV antibiotics. That was 37 days I spent on IV antibiotics in 2014. When I went home, I had a visiting nurse and/or nurse practitioner who came by home 3 times a week to care for my wound. I also had a nurse's aid who came by to help me bathe and clean up the house. The visiting nurse was given new directions on how to bandage my leg and it was wrong. My leg became infected again and the infection got into my right knee. It swelled so much that it stretched out the ligaments and when the swelling went down, I was in a different nursing home,(this one) where I couldn't walk because my right calf was flopping around bending the wrong way at the knee because there was no support from the stretched out ligaments. I've been here since the end of February 2015. My legs are healing slowly and my right knee has tightened up a bit but I still can't walk more than a few steps unassisted. I get up in my walker some but spend most of my time in a wheelchair. I shall walk again hopefully this year. o_O

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedic.../venous+stasis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYt12EK_cFY

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy Monster

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 6:45:13 PM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
On 6/12/2016 7:10 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:44:40 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:11:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:00:22 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 9:08:10 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:56:55 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:59:52 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:32:30 +0100, Don Y
wrote:
On 6/11/2016 7:54 PM, hah wrote:
On 06/11/2016 04:51 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

[snip]

100K, worse.

No danger of fire/ignition at 100K!

Maybe if potassium is involved?
--

I took a potassium tablet this morning. I must wonder if my
urine is flammable or explosive? It would be quite exciting if my
little manhood turned into a flamethrower. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Explosive Monster

Why did you use the adjective "little"?

https://youtu.be/oqMN3y8k9So?t=1m
If you can withstand the horrid American accent.
--

I used the term "little" to be truthful. When I was a young man, a
bus could drive by and Mr.Happy came to attention. Now that I'm past
60, it takes a lot more to get me excited. A Playboy Bunny could sit
in my lap, stick her tongue in my hairy ear and I'd tell her to stop
it and go make me a sandwich. I'm in a lot of pain today and had a
great deal of trouble getting out of my wheelchair and on to the
toilet. Some days I suffer from a lot of pain and some days it's not
so bad. That why I'm glad the facilities here at nursing and rehab
center are handicapped friendly. ^_^

I too have a horrid American English accent, so sue me. Hell, even
there in Jolly Old England you probably think someone from the other
side of your country has a horrid English accent. As long as they're
not Welsh. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Horrid Monster

There are plenty Americans in films that sound fine. Not all
Americans have a ridiculously strong accent.

And are the nurses hot?
--

The nurses are wonderful and most of them are Negro Americans. Some of
the CNA's,"Certified Nursing Assistants" are a bit off but most of
them are great too. I tell my friends that I've been in the shower
with more Black women than I have with White women. I've even been in
the shower with Gay Black men. Of course they are the CNA's helping me
bathe and they do have their clothes on. I have limited range of
motion with my arms because of my torn up shoulders so it's wonderful
to have someone scrub my back. It's so frustrating to be unable to
fully care for myself. I need new or repaired knees and shoulders but
the orthopedic surgeon has a concern about the blood circulation in my
legs where I had a problem before. I don't know if I'll ever be able
to get new knees but I keep hoping I can. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy Monster

You sound in a bit of a mess. You'd think by 2016 we'd have a bit more
medical knowledge and could fix folk up better.

That knowledge seems to emerge parallel with the wallet size of the patient.