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I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the
ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? |
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On 4/28/2016 8:11 AM, Frank wrote:
I know it is an old concept. Air would still leak out as tire is under pressure and air would still permeate rubber needing occasional replenishment. The foam hardens when dry. As such, it seems like it would fill the tire and be rigid. No inflating needed, due to the rigid, hard foam. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 4/28/2016 8:22 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/28/2016 8:11 AM, Frank wrote: I know it is an old concept. Air would still leak out as tire is under pressure and air would still permeate rubber needing occasional replenishment. The foam hardens when dry. As such, it seems like it would fill the tire and be rigid. No inflating needed, due to the rigid, hard foam. Tires need to flex. Foams are not that ridged but would need to recover from flexing. Stiffer foams would not recover as well. |
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On 4/28/2016 8:25 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2016 8:22 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: The foam hardens when dry. As such, it seems like it would fill the tire and be rigid. No inflating needed, due to the rigid, hard foam. Tires need to flex. Foams are not that ridged but would need to recover from flexing. Stiffer foams would not recover as well. For a slow tire such as wheel barrow, might not be an issue. Vehicle tires? I'm not sure. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 04/28/2016 04:38 AM, wrote:
Has anyone ever tried this? Yeah. Is your google broken? |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 08:25:12 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:
On 4/28/2016 8:22 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 4/28/2016 8:11 AM, Frank wrote: I know it is an old concept. Air would still leak out as tire is under pressure and air would still permeate rubber needing occasional replenishment. The foam hardens when dry. As such, it seems like it would fill the tire and be rigid. No inflating needed, due to the rigid, hard foam. Tires need to flex. Foams are not that ridged but would need to recover from flexing. Stiffer foams would not recover as well. Why does a tire need to flex? On a car, the flexing is desirable to cushion the ride, which makes the ride more comfortable. But on a wheelbarrow or push cart it does not matter. I have both a hand cart and a wheelbarrow which have solid tires, and they work fine. I also have both of these which have aired tires. All they do is waste space in my garage or barn, because everytime I want to use them, the damn tires are flat. There is no excuse for having to screw around with tires everytime I want to move a load of dirt or move an appliance. I have never noticed much difference in handling the ones with solid tires or aired tires. |
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Frank posted for all of us...
On 4/28/2016 6:38 AM, wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? I know it is an old concept. Air would still leak out as tire is under pressure and air would still permeate rubber needing occasional replenishment. Frank, I know you are trying to be nice but take a look at some of the pigmented bovines past postings. -- Tekkie |
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rbowman posted for all of us...
On 04/28/2016 04:38 AM, wrote: Has anyone ever tried this? Yeah. Is your google broken? The pigmented bovine is not familiar with what you speak and lacks the critical function of a brain. -- Tekkie |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:50:12 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? The trick would be to get enough in the tire to fill it, but not too much. If too much is put in, it would probably push the tire off the rim or bust it. I don't think it is physically possible for the foam to exert enough force to demount the tire. It'll work for a while. Eventually the foam may break down and turn into powder, but it will take some time and some load.. It will ooze out the valve stem long before the tire comes off!!!! |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:06:10 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:38:04 -0400, wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? My bet is the foam collapses and you still end up with a flat tire. These tires carry 40-50 PSI of air, Put 40 pounds of force on a 1x1 stick against that foam and it will disappear into the foam. If I could figure out how to inject it into the valve stem, I'd prefer to fill them with concrete. |
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:22:54 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:06:10 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:38:04 -0400, wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? My bet is the foam collapses and you still end up with a flat tire. These tires carry 40-50 PSI of air, Put 40 pounds of force on a 1x1 stick against that foam and it will disappear into the foam. If I could figure out how to inject it into the valve stem, I'd prefer to fill them with concrete. Just buy solid tires and be aware on soft ground, they suck. If you are always running on a hard flat surface, they work great. Think rail road wheels vs car tires |
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On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 5:25:26 AM UTC-7, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2016 8:22 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 4/28/2016 8:11 AM, Frank wrote: I know it is an old concept. Air would still leak out as tire is under pressure and air would still permeate rubber needing occasional replenishment. The foam hardens when dry. As such, it seems like it would fill the tire and be rigid. No inflating needed, due to the rigid, hard foam. Tires need to flex. Foams are not that ridged but would need to recover from flexing. Stiffer foams would not recover as well. Not all tires need to flex. I was having trouble with constant flats from thorns on the trailer for my garden tractor. Tire shop suggested replacing them with solid tires. Yep, they ahd them, I got them, they are great. For wheelbarrows, carts, and such use there is no need for "flex". |
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On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 9:17:50 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:22:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:06:10 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:38:04 -0400, wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? My bet is the foam collapses and you still end up with a flat tire. These tires carry 40-50 PSI of air, Put 40 pounds of force on a 1x1 stick against that foam and it will disappear into the foam. If I could figure out how to inject it into the valve stem, I'd prefer to fill them with concrete. Just buy solid tires and be aware on soft ground, they suck. If you are always running on a hard flat surface, they work great. Think rail road wheels vs car tires ???Why would the suck on soft ground? On carts, hand trucks, garden trailers, etc. regular tires don't flex enough to be noticeable...actually I suspect they don't flex at all. |
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 08:48:45 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote: On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 5:25:26 AM UTC-7, Frank wrote: On 4/28/2016 8:22 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 4/28/2016 8:11 AM, Frank wrote: I know it is an old concept. Air would still leak out as tire is under pressure and air would still permeate rubber needing occasional replenishment. The foam hardens when dry. As such, it seems like it would fill the tire and be rigid. No inflating needed, due to the rigid, hard foam. Tires need to flex. Foams are not that ridged but would need to recover from flexing. Stiffer foams would not recover as well. Not all tires need to flex. I was having trouble with constant flats from thorns on the trailer for my garden tractor. Tire shop suggested replacing them with solid tires. Yep, they ahd them, I got them, they are great. For wheelbarrows, carts, and such use there is no need for "flex". That is true if you are not running your wheelbarrow over uneven or soft surfaces. I have one each (solid tire and pneumatic tire). If you load them up and try to go out across the yard, the difference is immediately apparent. |
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 08:54:45 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote: On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 9:17:50 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:22:54 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:06:10 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:38:04 -0400, wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? My bet is the foam collapses and you still end up with a flat tire. These tires carry 40-50 PSI of air, Put 40 pounds of force on a 1x1 stick against that foam and it will disappear into the foam. If I could figure out how to inject it into the valve stem, I'd prefer to fill them with concrete. Just buy solid tires and be aware on soft ground, they suck. If you are always running on a hard flat surface, they work great. Think rail road wheels vs car tires ???Why would the suck on soft ground? On carts, hand trucks, garden trailers, etc. regular tires don't flex enough to be noticeable...actually I suspect they don't flex at all. You suspect wrong. |
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On 4/28/2016 2:57 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
Frank posted for all of us... On 4/28/2016 6:38 AM, wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? I know it is an old concept. Air would still leak out as tire is under pressure and air would still permeate rubber needing occasional replenishment. Frank, I know you are trying to be nice but take a look at some of the pigmented bovines past postings. Can lead to interesting discussions. I don't mind. I'm an old retired fibers and plastics R&D guy and know most of what is being talked about here was stuff worked on a long time ago. Also as a home owner know that I would not buy something at twice the cost even if trouble free. |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:38:04 -0500, wrote:
I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? It never occurred to me. Forklifts and such use products like this: http://www.americanindustrialtire.com/foamfilled.htm -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:30:17 -0500, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:38:04 -0500, wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? It never occurred to me. Forklifts and such use products like this: http://www.americanindustrialtire.com/foamfilled.htm That looks like an answer but it is "a urethane rubber product" not styrene foam |
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On 04/30/2016 09:48 AM, Harry K wrote:
Not all tires need to flex. I was having trouble with constant flats from thorns on the trailer for my garden tractor. Tire shop suggested replacing them with solid tires. Yep, they ahd them, I got them, they are great. For wheelbarrows, carts, and such use there is no need for "flex". Ever try Slime? I've used it in bicycle tires in areas where goathead thorns are prevalent and it worked well. Mr. Tuffy lines also help a lot: http://www.mrtuffy.com/ They don't have anything specifically for garden tires but I'd think the fat tire version could be adapted. |
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On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 12:30:25 PM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:38:04 -0500, wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone took a small tire, such as the ones on wheelbarrows or push carts (dollys) and just filled them with Spray Foam (such as "Great Stuff" brand). It would seem to me, that you could just remove the valve stem core, insert the nozzle from the spray can into the valve stem, and fill the tire. I guess the only concern would be to make sure the whole tire was filled, and not leaving parts of it empty. The foam would expand and make a solid tire. Has anyone ever tried this? It never occurred to me. Forklifts and such use products like this: http://www.americanindustrialtire.com/foamfilled.htm -- When I first saw this thread I recalled a story I read about the Presidential limo which showed the tires filled with a foam that took the place of air making the tires flat proof. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Foam Monster |
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On 4/30/2016 3:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 04/30/2016 09:48 AM, Harry K wrote: Not all tires need to flex. I was having trouble with constant flats from thorns on the trailer for my garden tractor. Tire shop suggested replacing them with solid tires. Yep, they ahd them, I got them, they are great. For wheelbarrows, carts, and such use there is no need for "flex". Ever try Slime? I've used it in bicycle tires in areas where goathead thorns are prevalent and it worked well. Mr. Tuffy lines also help a lot: http://www.mrtuffy.com/ They don't have anything specifically for garden tires but I'd think the fat tire version could be adapted. Why is this still on topic? I thought that was prohibited on this list. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:20:55 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 04/30/2016 09:48 AM, Harry K wrote: Not all tires need to flex. I was having trouble with constant flats from thorns on the trailer for my garden tractor. Tire shop suggested replacing them with solid tires. Yep, they ahd them, I got them, they are great. For wheelbarrows, carts, and such use there is no need for "flex". Ever try Slime? I've used it in bicycle tires in areas where goathead thorns are prevalent and it worked well. Mr. Tuffy lines also help a lot: http://www.mrtuffy.com/ They don't have anything specifically for garden tires but I'd think the fat tire version could be adapted. I bought some time with slime in a lawn tractor tire but normal running will not spread it around enough. The second time, I manually rotated the wheel (dismounted) in all axis, trying to get an even coat all over. That held for a year or two. |
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On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 12:19:46 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 04/30/2016 09:48 AM, Harry K wrote: Not all tires need to flex. I was having trouble with constant flats from thorns on the trailer for my garden tractor. Tire shop suggested replacing them with solid tires. Yep, they ahd them, I got them, they are great.. For wheelbarrows, carts, and such use there is no need for "flex". Ever try Slime? I've used it in bicycle tires in areas where goathead thorns are prevalent and it worked well. Mr. Tuffy lines also help a lot: http://www.mrtuffy.com/ They don't have anything specifically for garden tires but I'd think the fat tire version could be adapted. Yes I have used it. In fact the tire I took in last time had it. That's when the tech suggested the solid tire. |
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replying to Paintedcow, GTWarner wrote:
I think even dispersion and an even way for air to escape during fill would be first priorty. Then weight carrying and resillance. That stuff seems to last a long time. I'm sure the formula could be modified for optimum results. Experiments shall begin! -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...am-886148-.htm |
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On 2/21/2018 12:44 PM, GTWarner wrote:
replying to Paintedcow, GTWarner wrote: I think even dispersionÂ* and an even way for air to escape during fill would be first priorty. Then weight carrying and resillance. That stuff seems to last a long time. I'm sure the formula could be modified for optimum results. Experiments shall begin! Solid tires have been around for decades and there are reasons they are not often used. Great Stuff may work for a few miles, but won't work well after it gets compacted. |
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:59:04 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/21/2018 12:44 PM, GTWarner wrote: replying to Paintedcow, GTWarner wrote: I think even dispersion* and an even way for air to escape during fill would be first priorty. Then weight carrying and resillance. That stuff seems to last a long time. I'm sure the formula could be modified for optimum results. Experiments shall begin! Solid tires have been around for decades and there are reasons they are not often used. Great Stuff may work for a few miles, but won't work well after it gets compacted. I bought a 4-way lug wrench in case I need to change a tire. Works wonders. -- "People who worry about crocodiles are smart!" -Joe Machi |
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