Terry Coombs news 28 Jun 2017 20:21:29 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

It depends on the size of the colony , but there are general
guidelines . With 2 deep and one medium box on , I like to have my
hives weighing around 90-110 lbs in late November . They don't eat
so much when it's cold - under 40° - but it takes a LOT of
resources to "brood up" in the spring . Population contracts in
late summer/into fall , then around late February (here , other
places timing might be different) they start to build up again for
the spring nectar "flow" . Peak population in my hives is probably
around 35,000 to 45,000 bees . Takes a lot of bees to bring in
all that nectar and pollen !

--

Snag

Terry,

I'm wondering something about bees. I'm going to take a 2x4 and use a
hole cutter to cut holes the size of a mason jar lid. I intend to
place the mason jars inside these holes, upside down of course in an
effort to see if honey bees will take interest and build a cone. Is
this feasable, or, am I essentially wasting my time? If I am wasting
my time, do you have any suggestions for how I might accomplish the
goal?

Like CRNG, I'm a city boy and know little about nature or things
related to it. Thanks ahead of time for any suggestions/advice you're
willing to offer.

--
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You may be a cunning linguist, but I am a master debater.

Muggles
news 28 Jun 2017 21:04:58 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

I love the unfiltered honey right from the comb!


We have something in common then. I also greatly enjoy real
molasses. From Maple trees. A friend gave me a mason jar full of
Tennessee molasses, but, it didn't come from a Maple tree. They swear I
won't notice any difference (I haven't tried any of it yet), but, I
suspect I will; considering how much and how often I gorged myself on
it growing up. I actually tapped Maple trees when I was a teenager to
obtain what would become Molasses from the trees, but, I'm completely
lost as to how they make Molasses here without the tree. Culture shock
you might say is an under statement in this case. I've been down here
for a long time now, but, I still don't understand some things about
the south.



--
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It doesn't work, but it looks pretty.

On 06/29/2017 08:31 PM, 0ren wrote:
On 6/29/2017 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 04:33:43 -0400, Abeja Vómito
wrote:

On 06/28/2017 10:12 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2017-06-28, Terry Coombs wrote:
You'd have a hard time finding anything but unfiltered raw honey
around here . Processed honey is a city thing ...
Raw or processed, I really don't see why anyone would want to eat
gunk that comes out of bugs. Ugh.

Yah, honey is essentially bee vomit...and then there's the blood
glucose
and insulin spike followed by coronary artery disease thing.
Honey is actually one of the healthiest "natural" sweeteners and is
also a potent infection fighter.Yes, it can spike your insulin, but
honey is actually VERY beneficial for coronary artery disease. Many
beneficial compounds.

Just take some Metformin...you'll bee fine!


Im goona eat fructose/sugar/refined carbs right up until the day they
amputate my gangrene infected arms.

On 6/29/2017 11:00 PM, Diesel wrote:
Terry Coombs news 28 Jun 2017 20:21:29 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

It depends on the size of the colony , but there are general
guidelines . With 2 deep and one medium box on , I like to have my
hives weighing around 90-110 lbs in late November . They don't eat
so much when it's cold - under 40° - but it takes a LOT of
resources to "brood up" in the spring . Population contracts in
late summer/into fall , then around late February (here , other
places timing might be different) they start to build up again for
the spring nectar "flow" . Peak population in my hives is probably
around 35,000 to 45,000 bees . Takes a lot of bees to bring in
all that nectar and pollen !

--

Snag
Terry,

I'm wondering something about bees. I'm going to take a 2x4 and use a
hole cutter to cut holes the size of a mason jar lid. I intend to
place the mason jars inside these holes, upside down of course in an
effort to see if honey bees will take interest and build a cone. Is
this feasable, or, am I essentially wasting my time? If I am wasting
my time, do you have any suggestions for how I might accomplish the
goal?

Like CRNG, I'm a city boy and know little about nature or things
related to it. Thanks ahead of time for any suggestions/advice you're
willing to offer.

A mason jar is way too small for bees to make a colony , they like a
bit larger space . Bees don't usually make cones , those are wasps , and
most people don't want them around . Now if you hung a box about 15 x 20
x 20 up in a tree and baited it with a q-tip dipped in lemon grass oil
inside a baggie , a feral or swarm colony might take interest . Leave a
3/4" hole for an entrance somewhere near the bottom .

--

Snag

On 6/29/2017 11:00 PM, Diesel wrote:
Muggles
news 28 Jun 2017 21:04:58 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

I love the unfiltered honey right from the comb!


We have something in common then. I also greatly enjoy real
molasses. From Maple trees. A friend gave me a mason jar full of
Tennessee molasses, but, it didn't come from a Maple tree. They swear I
won't notice any difference (I haven't tried any of it yet), but, I
suspect I will; considering how much and how often I gorged myself on
it growing up. I actually tapped Maple trees when I was a teenager to
obtain what would become Molasses from the trees, but, I'm completely
lost as to how they make Molasses here without the tree. Culture shock
you might say is an under statement in this case. I've been down here
for a long time now, but, I still don't understand some things about
the south.



I think you might have maple syrup confused with molasses . Maple
syrup is made by boiling the excess water out of the sap of the maple
tree , molasses is made from the sorghum plant . Two entirely different
things ...

What part of the south do you live in ?

--

Snag

On 6/29/2017 11:20 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 6/29/2017 2:09 PM, Frank wrote:
On 6/29/2017 2:59 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 6/29/2017 6:53 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 6/28/2017 10:27 PM, Muggles wrote:

I've hesitated taking it up because of the "getting stung" thing. Do
you get stung often?


Not really , the secret is lightly smoking them , and moving slowly .
Sudden motion makes them defensive . Timing makes a difference too , you
want to go into the hives while most of the foragers are out doing their
thing . And during times when there is no nectar out there they tend to
be defensive - they think you're there to steal their food ... I've
gotten so when i do get stung it burns for a few minutes then goes away
. Skeeter bites bother me a lot more than bee stings . Did you know that
some people sting themselves on purpose ? Something in the venom has
medicinal properties , look up "apitherapy" for more detail .

ugh... I don't think I could get used to getting stung. I'd jump or
shout and probably scare the bees and get stung MORE.

Yellow jacket stings were painful to but I tolerated them but now appear
to be allergic. I needed a prednisone pack for one that stung me on the
finger and my whole hand was swollen like I had a glove on the next day.
Honeybees are fairly docile but I would not take any chances.

I got a sting from a wasp that felt like I had been shot. After that
I've been a bit jumpy around insects that sting.

I carry benadryl pills in the car and know a woman that had to carry
epinephrine, Epi Pen, like injections.

Years ago, I was a couple of miles from home on my bicycle and something
flew in my mouth and stung tongue and lip. I was worried my tongue
could swell and choke me. It did not but lip was swollen for a few days.
Epinephrine can help with this.

Since my hand swelling incident, I was stung on the ankle cutting the
grass, took benadryl, ankle swelled somewhat but nowhere near like my
hand and trip to doctor was not needed.

On 6/29/2017 10:20 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 6/29/2017 2:09 PM, Frank wrote:
On 6/29/2017 2:59 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 6/29/2017 6:53 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 6/28/2017 10:27 PM, Muggles wrote:
I've hesitated taking it up because of the "getting stung" thing. Do
you get stung often?


Not really , the secret is lightly smoking them , and moving slowly .
Sudden motion makes them defensive . Timing makes a difference too , you
want to go into the hives while most of the foragers are out doing their
thing . And during times when there is no nectar out there they tend to
be defensive - they think you're there to steal their food ... I've
gotten so when i do get stung it burns for a few minutes then goes away
. Skeeter bites bother me a lot more than bee stings . Did you know that
some people sting themselves on purpose ? Something in the venom has
medicinal properties , look up "apitherapy" for more detail .
ugh... I don't think I could get used to getting stung. I'd jump or
shout and probably scare the bees and get stung MORE.
Yellow jacket stings were painful to but I tolerated them but now appear
to be allergic. I needed a prednisone pack for one that stung me on the
finger and my whole hand was swollen like I had a glove on the next day.
Honeybees are fairly docile but I would not take any chances.
I got a sting from a wasp that felt like I had been shot. After that
I've been a bit jumpy around insects that sting.

You get used to it ... some develop a sensitivity , others an
immunity . I caught one sting on my forearm yesterday , burned for about
a minute then just nothing . I'm hoping that the rain lets me pull the 2
medium boxes today for extraction . I was putting "escape boards" on the
hives to get the bees out of the supers (boxes with frames for honey
storage) I plan to harvest today . I won't get much from #2 hive ,
that's the one that I've been using for a donor to start new colonies
this year . Next year I'll probably pull from #1 for new colonies ...
"You can make bees or you can make honey" .

--

Snag

On 6/30/2017 12:00 AM, Diesel wrote:
Muggles
news 28 Jun 2017 21:04:58 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

I love the unfiltered honey right from the comb!


We have something in common then. I also greatly enjoy real
molasses. From Maple trees. A friend gave me a mason jar full of
Tennessee molasses, but, it didn't come from a Maple tree. They swear I
won't notice any difference (I haven't tried any of it yet), but, I
suspect I will; considering how much and how often I gorged myself on
it growing up. I actually tapped Maple trees when I was a teenager to
obtain what would become Molasses from the trees, but, I'm completely
lost as to how they make Molasses here without the tree. Culture shock
you might say is an under statement in this case. I've been down here
for a long time now, but, I still don't understand some things about
the south.




I never herd of maple syrup referred to as molasses. One is made from
the sap of the maple tree, the other comes from sugar cane. Different
thing with different flavores.

I even looked it up to see if the terms were interchangeable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molasses

On 6/30/2017 7:23 AM, Frank wrote:
On 6/29/2017 11:20 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 6/29/2017 2:09 PM, Frank wrote:
On 6/29/2017 2:59 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 6/29/2017 6:53 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 6/28/2017 10:27 PM, Muggles wrote:

I've hesitated taking it up because of the "getting stung" thing. Do
you get stung often?


Not really , the secret is lightly smoking them , and moving
slowly .
Sudden motion makes them defensive . Timing makes a difference too
, you
want to go into the hives while most of the foragers are out doing
their
thing . And during times when there is no nectar out there they
tend to
be defensive - they think you're there to steal their food ... I've
gotten so when i do get stung it burns for a few minutes then goes
away
. Skeeter bites bother me a lot more than bee stings . Did you know
that
some people sting themselves on purpose ? Something in the venom has
medicinal properties , look up "apitherapy" for more detail .

ugh... I don't think I could get used to getting stung. I'd jump or
shout and probably scare the bees and get stung MORE.

Yellow jacket stings were painful to but I tolerated them but now appear
to be allergic. I needed a prednisone pack for one that stung me on the
finger and my whole hand was swollen like I had a glove on the next day.
Honeybees are fairly docile but I would not take any chances.

I got a sting from a wasp that felt like I had been shot. After that
I've been a bit jumpy around insects that sting.

I carry benadryl pills in the car and know a woman that had to carry
epinephrine, Epi Pen, like injections.


Years ago, I was a couple of miles from home on my bicycle and something
flew in my mouth and stung tongue and lip. I was worried my tongue
could swell and choke me. It did not but lip was swollen for a few days.
Epinephrine can help with this.

Since my hand swelling incident, I was stung on the ankle cutting the
grass, took benadryl, ankle swelled somewhat but nowhere near like my
hand and trip to doctor was not needed.

When I got stung by that wasp, I didn't have an allergic reaction to it.
Just minor swelling at the spot, but the pain was like a 9 on a scale
of 10.



--
Maggie

On 6/30/2017 7:23 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 6/29/2017 10:20 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 6/29/2017 2:09 PM, Frank wrote:
On 6/29/2017 2:59 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 6/29/2017 6:53 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 6/28/2017 10:27 PM, Muggles wrote:
I've hesitated taking it up because of the "getting stung" thing. Do
you get stung often?


Not really , the secret is lightly smoking them , and moving
slowly .
Sudden motion makes them defensive . Timing makes a difference too
, you
want to go into the hives while most of the foragers are out doing
their
thing . And during times when there is no nectar out there they
tend to
be defensive - they think you're there to steal their food ... I've
gotten so when i do get stung it burns for a few minutes then goes
away
. Skeeter bites bother me a lot more than bee stings . Did you know
that
some people sting themselves on purpose ? Something in the venom has
medicinal properties , look up "apitherapy" for more detail .
ugh... I don't think I could get used to getting stung. I'd jump or
shout and probably scare the bees and get stung MORE.
Yellow jacket stings were painful to but I tolerated them but now appear
to be allergic. I needed a prednisone pack for one that stung me on the
finger and my whole hand was swollen like I had a glove on the next day.
Honeybees are fairly docile but I would not take any chances.
I got a sting from a wasp that felt like I had been shot. After that
I've been a bit jumpy around insects that sting.

You get used to it ... some develop a sensitivity , others an immunity
. I caught one sting on my forearm yesterday , burned for about a minute
then just nothing . I'm hoping that the rain lets me pull the 2 medium
boxes today for extraction . I was putting "escape boards" on the hives
to get the bees out of the supers (boxes with frames for honey storage)
I plan to harvest today . I won't get much from #2 hive , that's the one
that I've been using for a donor to start new colonies this year . Next
year I'll probably pull from #1 for new colonies ... "You can make bees
or you can make honey" .


How do you keep from shouting "OUCH" or jumping and scaring the bees?

Do they eventually recognize you as being part of their environment, as
in, a friendly?


--
Maggie

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:14:40 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

On 6/29/2017 11:00 PM, Diesel wrote:
Muggles
news 28 Jun 2017 21:04:58 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

I love the unfiltered honey right from the comb!


We have something in common then. I also greatly enjoy real
molasses. From Maple trees. A friend gave me a mason jar full of
Tennessee molasses, but, it didn't come from a Maple tree. They swear I
won't notice any difference (I haven't tried any of it yet), but, I
suspect I will; considering how much and how often I gorged myself on
it growing up. I actually tapped Maple trees when I was a teenager to
obtain what would become Molasses from the trees, but, I'm completely
lost as to how they make Molasses here without the tree. Culture shock
you might say is an under statement in this case. I've been down here
for a long time now, but, I still don't understand some things about
the south.



I think you might have maple syrup confused with molasses . Maple
syrup is made by boiling the excess water out of the sap of the maple
tree , molasses is made from the sorghum plant . Two entirely different
things ...

What part of the south do you live in ?

--

Snag
Actually MOST molasses isa byproduct of cane sugar production.d

Terry Coombs news 30 Jun 2017 12:11:22 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

A mason jar is way too small for bees to make a colony , they
like a
bit larger space . Bees don't usually make cones , those are wasps
, and most people don't want them around . Now if you hung a box
about 15 x 20 x 20 up in a tree and baited it with a q-tip dipped
in lemon grass oil inside a baggie , a feral or swarm colony might
take interest . Leave a 3/4" hole for an entrance somewhere near
the bottom .

--

Snag



Thanks Terry!


--
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If sex isn't messy, you're not doing it right.

Terry Coombs news 30 Jun 2017 12:14:40 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 6/29/2017 11:00 PM, Diesel wrote:
Muggles
news Wed, 28 Jun 2017 21:04:58 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

I love the unfiltered honey right from the comb!


We have something in common then. I also greatly enjoy real
molasses. From Maple trees. A friend gave me a mason jar full of
Tennessee molasses, but, it didn't come from a Maple tree. They
swear I won't notice any difference (I haven't tried any of it
yet), but, I suspect I will; considering how much and how often I
gorged myself on it growing up. I actually tapped Maple trees
when I was a teenager to obtain what would become Molasses from
the trees, but, I'm completely lost as to how they make Molasses
here without the tree. Culture shock you might say is an under
statement in this case. I've been down here for a long time now,
but, I still don't understand some things about the south.



I think you might have maple syrup confused with molasses .
Maple
syrup is made by boiling the excess water out of the sap of the
maple tree , molasses is made from the sorghum plant . Two
entirely different things ...

What part of the south do you live in ?

--

Snag


Hmm. It's possible. It's been a long time since I've done that. I'm
in TN...


--
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Dragon, a lizard with indigestion....

On 6/30/2017 6:39 PM, Diesel wrote:
Terry Coombs news 30 Jun 2017 12:14:40 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 6/29/2017 11:00 PM, Diesel wrote:
Muggles
news Wed, 28 Jun 2017 21:04:58 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

I love the unfiltered honey right from the comb!


We have something in common then. I also greatly enjoy real
molasses. From Maple trees. A friend gave me a mason jar full of
Tennessee molasses, but, it didn't come from a Maple tree. They
swear I won't notice any difference (I haven't tried any of it
yet), but, I suspect I will; considering how much and how often I
gorged myself on it growing up. I actually tapped Maple trees
when I was a teenager to obtain what would become Molasses from
the trees, but, I'm completely lost as to how they make Molasses
here without the tree. Culture shock you might say is an under
statement in this case. I've been down here for a long time now,
but, I still don't understand some things about the south.



I think you might have maple syrup confused with molasses .
Maple
syrup is made by boiling the excess water out of the sap of the
maple tree , molasses is made from the sorghum plant . Two
entirely different things ...

What part of the south do you live in ?

--

Snag


Hmm. It's possible. It's been a long time since I've done that. I'm
in TN...


Reading this, where does Jack Daniels get it's wood?

Jack Daniel's is not a bourbon - it's a Tennessee Whiskey. Jack Daniel's
is dripped slowly - drop-by-drop - through ten feet of firmly packed
charcoal (made from hard sugar maple) before going into new charred oak
barrels for maturing.

On 6/30/2017 6:14 PM, Frank wrote:
On 6/30/2017 6:39 PM, Diesel wrote:
Terry Coombs news 30 Jun 2017 12:14:40 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 6/29/2017 11:00 PM, Diesel wrote:
Muggles
news Wed, 28 Jun 2017 21:04:58 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

I love the unfiltered honey right from the comb!

We have something in common then. I also greatly enjoy real
molasses. From Maple trees. A friend gave me a mason jar full of
Tennessee molasses, but, it didn't come from a Maple tree. They
swear I won't notice any difference (I haven't tried any of it
yet), but, I suspect I will; considering how much and how often I
gorged myself on it growing up. I actually tapped Maple trees
when I was a teenager to obtain what would become Molasses from
the trees, but, I'm completely lost as to how they make Molasses
here without the tree. Culture shock you might say is an under
statement in this case. I've been down here for a long time now,
but, I still don't understand some things about the south.



I think you might have maple syrup confused with molasses .
Maple
syrup is made by boiling the excess water out of the sap of the
maple tree , molasses is made from the sorghum plant . Two
entirely different things ...

What part of the south do you live in ?

--

Snag


Hmm. It's possible. It's been a long time since I've done that. I'm
in TN...


Reading this, where does Jack Daniels get it's wood?

Jack Daniel's is not a bourbon - it's a Tennessee Whiskey. Jack
Daniel's is dripped slowly - drop-by-drop - through ten feet of firmly
packed charcoal (made from hard sugar maple) before going into new
charred oak barrels for maturing.

I don't know ... I drink Evan Williams Kentucky Straight Sour Mash
Bourbon Whiskey . Straight . Smewwwwth ...

--

Snag

On 6/30/2017 7:27 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 6/30/2017 6:14 PM, Frank wrote:
On 6/30/2017 6:39 PM, Diesel wrote:
Terry Coombs news 30 Jun 2017 12:14:40 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 6/29/2017 11:00 PM, Diesel wrote:
Muggles
news Wed, 28 Jun 2017 21:04:58 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

I love the unfiltered honey right from the comb!

We have something in common then. I also greatly enjoy real
molasses. From Maple trees. A friend gave me a mason jar full of
Tennessee molasses, but, it didn't come from a Maple tree. They
swear I won't notice any difference (I haven't tried any of it
yet), but, I suspect I will; considering how much and how often I
gorged myself on it growing up. I actually tapped Maple trees
when I was a teenager to obtain what would become Molasses from
the trees, but, I'm completely lost as to how they make Molasses
here without the tree. Culture shock you might say is an under
statement in this case. I've been down here for a long time now,
but, I still don't understand some things about the south.



I think you might have maple syrup confused with molasses .
Maple
syrup is made by boiling the excess water out of the sap of the
maple tree , molasses is made from the sorghum plant . Two
entirely different things ...

What part of the south do you live in ?

--

Snag


Hmm. It's possible. It's been a long time since I've done that. I'm
in TN...


Reading this, where does Jack Daniels get it's wood?

Jack Daniel's is not a bourbon - it's a Tennessee Whiskey. Jack
Daniel's is dripped slowly - drop-by-drop - through ten feet of firmly
packed charcoal (made from hard sugar maple) before going into new
charred oak barrels for maturing.

I don't know ... I drink Evan Williams Kentucky Straight Sour Mash
Bourbon Whiskey . Straight . Smewwwwth ...

--

Snag

It's aged in oak barrels but maybe not made from over 51% corn. They
claim the sugar maple charcoal filtration but apparently sugar maple
trees come from New England. From Wiki:

The Federal Standards of Identity for Distilled Spirits (27 C.F.R. 5)
state that bourbon made for U.S. consumption[18] must be:

Produced in the United States[19]
Made from a grain mixture that is at least 51% corn[20]
Aged in new, charred oak containers[20]
Distilled to no more than 160 (U.S.) proof (80% alcohol by volume)[20]
Entered into the barrel for aging at no more than 125 proof (62.5%
alcohol by volume)[20]
Bottled (like other whiskeys) at 80 proof or more (40% alcohol by
volume)[21]

I don't drink much hard stuff and prefer Scotch whiskey made from barley.

On 6/30/2017 9:23 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/30/2017 12:00 AM, Diesel wrote:
Muggles
news 28 Jun 2017 21:04:58 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

snip

I love the unfiltered honey right from the comb!

We have something in common then. I also greatly enjoy real
molasses. From Maple trees. A friend gave me a mason jar full of
Tennessee molasses, but, it didn't come from a Maple tree. They swear I
won't notice any difference (I haven't tried any of it yet), but, I
suspect I will; considering how much and how often I gorged myself on
it growing up. I actually tapped Maple trees when I was a teenager to
obtain what would become Molasses from the trees, but, I'm completely
lost as to how they make Molasses here without the tree. Culture shock
you might say is an under statement in this case. I've been down here
for a long time now, but, I still don't understand some things about
the south.




I never herd of maple syrup referred to as molasses. One is made from
the sap of the maple tree, the other comes from sugar cane. Different
thing with different flavores.

I even looked it up to see if the terms were interchangeable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molasses

Maple syrup contains sucrose same as molasses as far as actual sweetener
goes. Invert sucrose, a mixture of glucose and fructose essentially the
same sugars as honey. All these things are related but the goodies in
them account for the different taste.

On 06/30/2017 06:10 PM, Frank wrote:
Maple syrup contains sucrose same as molasses as far as actual sweetener
goes. Invert sucrose, a mixture of glucose and fructose essentially the
same sugars as honey. All these things are related but the goodies in
them account for the different taste.

For the quintessential white trash recipes use Blue Label Karo Syrup...