On 7/27/2015 3:57 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/27/2015 12:54 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/27/2015 6:55 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
In my part of the world, yes, that's a very valid way
to make metals disappear.


I forgot to ask, did I see you post you were in New York? That would
definitely be another part of the world for sure.


I'm in the western end of NYS. Two miles from me
is a cow farm. A couple miles in the other
direction, they farm for corn, and some farm
for hay or wheat. Moo!

About 300 miles west of Lawn Guylan.


So, you have a farm too, or you're just in the middle of farm country?
Sounds nice to me.

--
Maggie

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 8:03:28 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Uncle Monster" wrote in message
...
If you have one of the Trane heat pumps with the large high SEER Christmas
tree tinsel coil or the porcupine coil, the pressures are going to be
lower on that kind of condenser when it's clean. That type coil is very
good at heat transfer and even traditional heat pump condensing units have
a lower head pressure since heat pumps have a much larger condenser coil.
Does your heat pump have a two speed fan in the condensing unit? Many of
the more expensive units have the two speed or variable speed fans to
increase efficiency by controlling head pressure. The lower fan speed
makes for a much quieter unit at night when it's not as hot outdoors. ^_^

SEER = Seasonal Energy Efficiency Ratio

Ok on the SEER. I could not recall if SEER or some other leters were the
one for the cooling.

I am not sure what the coils have on them to help get rid of the heat. The
condensing unit fan only runs at one speed as far as I know. The one on the
air handler changes speeds. I don't think it is a true variable speed, but
has several preset speeds.

I think the speeds of the fans are really just a way to go to a larger seer
number. From what I read about 10 years ago when looking to put in a new
heat pump it seemed that anything above a rating of 14 was really a waste of
money. YOu may save a few dollars on power,but the price jump would take
years to pay back.

I understand about controling the head pressure to some extent. The
refregeration units at work had water cooled condensers and a valve on the
water to help control the head pressure. I guess that it opened up more as
the coils got dirty. Then the thing would shut down on high head pressure
and the mechanic would have to clean out the heat exchanger.
I had forgoten about that.
As I said I know a little about the stuff, but not a whole lot and it has
been way over 3 years ago that I last saw one.

I haven't been able to work on anything this year. As late as a few years ago I was climbing up on roofs of commercial buildings to straighten out energy management control systems when it was 105F outdoors. It's so frustrating for me to be unable to even fraking walk! The only connection to the Interweb I have here is my cute little Chromebook. I really want to get home to the dozens of computers and the mound electronic gear I have. I really miss my toys. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy monster

On 7/27/2015 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 07:55:42 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 7/26/2015 7:11 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/26/2015 5:55 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
If it isn't, put it out the day BEFORE regular trash pickup. Scrappers
will be by beforehand and take it way for scrap.



huh .. people really do that sort of thing? hmmm Can't hurt to try, I
guess. Thanks for the idea.


In my part of the world, yes, that's a very valid way
to make metals disappear.
If you want it to dissapear REAL fast, put a price on it. Even a
buck. Some guys can't resist pinching something,


go back and start at the beginning, Clare. That was my first solution
to her disposal problem. Then, and only then, if that failed, set it
out for garbage collection a day or two ahead and the pickup truck with
the undocumented Democrats would grab it for her.

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 9:03:28 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:

From what I read about 10 years ago when looking to put in a new
heat pump it seemed that anything above a rating of 14 was really a waste of
money. YOu may save a few dollars on power,but the price jump would take
years to pay back.


I went through that analysis about 4 years ago and came to the
same conclusion for my AC. I got a 14 SEER too. It's not hot
enough here in NJ, nor are our electric rates high enough to
get a reasonable pay back. The only thing I might reconsider
paying more for would be a two stage, so that it can run more
on days where you just need it to take some humidity out. But
even that isn't really an issue here. If I drop the temp 1 or
2 deg, it's enough to get the humidity down enough.

On 7/27/2015 2:47 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:

The goofy Socialist anti price gouging laws have run
into "The Law Of Unintended Results" because such laws
limit supplies after a disaster. I remember a story of
a fellow who loaded up a truck with bottled water and
headed for a disaster area after a hurricane. He was
selling the bottled water for a profit that would cover
his expenses and make him a little money. The National
Guard showed up and took his water away from him without
paying for it. The fellow will never again load up a
truck with anything and head for a disaster area. So
who's left to bring in supplies? Perhaps an incompetently
run government agency which will waste most of what it's
supposed to distribute to those in need? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Disaster Monster


Yes, that sounds like our government at work. And
most likely all the people in the area were thirsty
after the NG confiscated all the water.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
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On 7/27/2015 10:19 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 8:03:28 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
As I said I know a little about the stuff, but not a whole lot and it has
been way over 3 years ago that I last saw one.

I haven't been able to work on anything this year. As late
as a few years ago I was climbing up on roofs of commercial
buildings to straighten out energy management control systems
when it was 105F outdoors. It's so frustrating for me to be
unable to even fraking walk! The only connection to the
Interweb I have here is my cute little Chromebook. I really
want to get home to the dozens of computers and the mound
electronic gear I have. I really miss my toys. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy monster


Agree, it sure would be nice to send you home, and back
to work. I've been told the south needs more good HVAC
guys. I've not got much time in the south, but some guys
are rather expensive.

Last year, I went to South Carolina to help a friend move
a heat pump and trailer. He says the lowest bid he got
was $1,000 and that didn't include any cleaning. Just separate
the system and reconnect it at the new place. I went for
just gas and lodging, and some thing to do. While there, I
used a lot of coil cleaner. He tells me he had to sign a
paper that said the heat pump was broken and useless. Well,
now it's clean, it works just fine for him.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 7/27/2015 12:51 PM, Muggles wrote:

Hey, we finally got one window unit to work. We cleaned it out, and
also moved the location it was plugged in to. There is a dedicated
circuit we used to use to plug outdoor lighting into, so we ran an
outdoor heavy duty extension chord to it and plugged the AC into and it
hasn't tripped. Kind of odd, though, cuz, it used to work fine in the
receptacle it was plugged in to but kept tripping. So far it hasn't
tripped and it's been running 45 minutes. Before it tripped after 10
minutes.


I sure hope that gives you years of good service.
Perhaps you fixed what was wrong with it?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 7/27/2015 9:36 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/27/2015 3:57 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I'm in the western end of NYS. Two miles from me
is a cow farm. A couple miles in the other
direction, they farm for corn, and some farm
for hay or wheat. Moo!

About 300 miles west of Lawn Guylan.


So, you have a farm too, or you're just in the middle of farm country?
Sounds nice to me.


We have a wide range of housing, where I am. As it
happens, I live in a trailer in a trailer park.
Walking distance from me are apartments, and fourplex
houses. And farther than that are stick built frame
houses. About five miles away is a KOA full of campers.

But me, well, trailer with not enough insulation and
too much clutter.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 7/28/2015 6:34 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/27/2015 12:51 PM, Muggles wrote:

Hey, we finally got one window unit to work. We cleaned it out, and
also moved the location it was plugged in to. There is a dedicated
circuit we used to use to plug outdoor lighting into, so we ran an
outdoor heavy duty extension chord to it and plugged the AC into and it
hasn't tripped. Kind of odd, though, cuz, it used to work fine in the
receptacle it was plugged in to but kept tripping. So far it hasn't
tripped and it's been running 45 minutes. Before it tripped after 10
minutes.


I sure hope that gives you years of good service.
Perhaps you fixed what was wrong with it?


I sure hope so!

--
Maggie

On 7/28/2015 6:36 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/27/2015 9:36 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/27/2015 3:57 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I'm in the western end of NYS. Two miles from me
is a cow farm. A couple miles in the other
direction, they farm for corn, and some farm
for hay or wheat. Moo!

About 300 miles west of Lawn Guylan.


So, you have a farm too, or you're just in the middle of farm country?
Sounds nice to me.


We have a wide range of housing, where I am. As it
happens, I live in a trailer in a trailer park.
Walking distance from me are apartments, and fourplex
houses. And farther than that are stick built frame
houses. About five miles away is a KOA full of campers.

But me, well, trailer with not enough insulation and
too much clutter.


Doesn't it get pretty cold in the winter where you live? Maybe the
clutter actually helps with the insulation factor? As least that's what
I hope for us. Everyone else here is a clutter bug, except for myself,
of course. (hahaha!!)

--
Maggie

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 6:33:43 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/27/2015 10:19 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 8:03:28 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
As I said I know a little about the stuff, but not a whole lot and it has
been way over 3 years ago that I last saw one.

I haven't been able to work on anything this year. As late
as a few years ago I was climbing up on roofs of commercial
buildings to straighten out energy management control systems
when it was 105F outdoors. It's so frustrating for me to be
unable to even fraking walk! The only connection to the
Interweb I have here is my cute little Chromebook. I really
want to get home to the dozens of computers and the mound
electronic gear I have. I really miss my toys. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy monster


Agree, it sure would be nice to send you home, and back
to work. I've been told the south needs more good HVAC
guys. I've not got much time in the south, but some guys
are rather expensive.

Last year, I went to South Carolina to help a friend move
a heat pump and trailer. He says the lowest bid he got
was $1,000 and that didn't include any cleaning. Just separate
the system and reconnect it at the new place. I went for
just gas and lodging, and some thing to do. While there, I
used a lot of coil cleaner. He tells me he had to sign a
paper that said the heat pump was broken and useless. Well,
now it's clean, it works just fine for him.
--
.

I doubt I'll be climbing ladders when I get home which is something I wasn't able to do for quite a while before winding up in the hospital but I was able to fix computers, other gizmos, supervise some fieldwork and handle business in the office. I've even done tech support over the phone from my hospital bed. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Service Monster

"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 9:03:28 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:

From what I read about 10 years ago when looking to put in a new
heat pump it seemed that anything above a rating of 14 was really a waste
of
money. YOu may save a few dollars on power,but the price jump would take
years to pay back.


I went through that analysis about 4 years ago and came to the
same conclusion for my AC. I got a 14 SEER too. It's not hot
enough here in NJ, nor are our electric rates high enough to
get a reasonable pay back. The only thing I might reconsider
paying more for would be a two stage, so that it can run more
on days where you just need it to take some humidity out. But
even that isn't really an issue here. If I drop the temp 1 or
2 deg, it's enough to get the humidity down enough.

Glad to see someone in agreement that going above 14 seer at the time was
going to take too long for the payback.

The two stage would be nice and as someone mentioned a 2 speed or variatable
speed on the outside fan. I don't recall those being mentioned when the
system was installed. As humid as it is around here, at 85 deg outside you
sweat and hard to get cool. The air needs to run a lot to get rid of that
humidity without cooling down too much. Then it may hit high 90's and we
need more cooling than the smaller unit can provide.
Whoever sized my unit (2.5 tons) seems to have it about right for around
here. The thing runs a lot when it is over 95, but runs enough at 85 deg to
knock much of the humidity out .

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 12:51:36 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 9:03:28 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:

From what I read about 10 years ago when looking to put in a new
heat pump it seemed that anything above a rating of 14 was really a waste
of
money. YOu may save a few dollars on power,but the price jump would take
years to pay back.


I went through that analysis about 4 years ago and came to the
same conclusion for my AC. I got a 14 SEER too. It's not hot
enough here in NJ, nor are our electric rates high enough to
get a reasonable pay back. The only thing I might reconsider
paying more for would be a two stage, so that it can run more
on days where you just need it to take some humidity out. But
even that isn't really an issue here. If I drop the temp 1 or
2 deg, it's enough to get the humidity down enough.

Glad to see someone in agreement that going above 14 seer at the time was
going to take too long for the payback.

The two stage would be nice and as someone mentioned a 2 speed or variatable
speed on the outside fan. I don't recall those being mentioned when the
system was installed. As humid as it is around here, at 85 deg outside you
sweat and hard to get cool. The air needs to run a lot to get rid of that
humidity without cooling down too much. Then it may hit high 90's and we
need more cooling than the smaller unit can provide.
Whoever sized my unit (2.5 tons) seems to have it about right for around
here. The thing runs a lot when it is over 95, but runs enough at 85 deg to
knock much of the humidity out .

A lot of the systems I installed or serviced had staged dual compressors and often dual fans but most of them were commercial rooftop systems. There were some residential condensing units with asymmetric dual compressors but those seem to have been superseded by variable speed scroll compressor equipped units. The new variable speed scroll compressor AC systems have a +25 SEER ratings and would be the best choice a homeowner wishing to replace a system. Of course, when I win the Powerball Lottery, I'll build a mansion and install ground source heat pumps equipped with variable speed scroll compressors. Heck, I'll probably spend all my money on Diet Mountain Dew. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Dew Monster

On 7/28/2015 1:27 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 6:33:43 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
just gas and lodging, and some thing to do. While there, I
used a lot of coil cleaner. He tells me he had to sign a
paper that said the heat pump was broken and useless. Well,
now it's clean, it works just fine for him.
--
.

I doubt I'll be climbing ladders when I get home which is something I wasn't able to do for quite a while before winding up in the hospital but I was able to fix computers, other gizmos, supervise some fieldwork and handle business in the office. I've even done tech support over the phone from my hospital bed. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Service Monster


Ladders are for youth. I'm near the age where I'm
going to sell off my ladders to a youth.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 12:27:53 PM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote:

I doubt I'll be climbing ladders when I get home which is something I wasn't able to do for quite a while before winding up in the hospital but I was able to fix computers, other gizmos, supervise some fieldwork and handle business in the office. I've even done tech support over the phone from my hospital bed. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Service Monster

You seem to be doing tech support here quite well...I would ask you for help on AC, if I needed! :^)

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 21:46:06 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:

On 7/27/2015 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 07:55:42 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 7/26/2015 7:11 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/26/2015 5:55 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
If it isn't, put it out the day BEFORE regular trash pickup. Scrappers
will be by beforehand and take it way for scrap.



huh .. people really do that sort of thing? hmmm Can't hurt to try, I
guess. Thanks for the idea.


In my part of the world, yes, that's a very valid way
to make metals disappear.
If you want it to dissapear REAL fast, put a price on it. Even a
buck. Some guys can't resist pinching something,


go back and start at the beginning, Clare. That was my first solution
to her disposal problem. Then, and only then, if that failed, set it
out for garbage collection a day or two ahead and the pickup truck with
the undocumented Democrats would grab it for her.



Wasn't clear that the price tag wasn't to try to sell it.
A lot of people won't buy, and if it's worthless they won't pick it
up, but if they can steal something of negligible value - that's a
different story

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 3:05:26 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
Of course, when I win the Powerball Lottery, I'll build a mansion and install ground source heat pumps equipped with variable speed scroll compressors. Heck, I'll probably spend all my money on Diet Mountain Dew. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Dew Monster

Guy near me acted like he won the lottery. There was a small, new
subdivision of about 6 homes, all colonials. He bought one of them
that was still under construction. It had the roof on, windows, doors,
in, etc. He tour most of that down, right back to the first level.
I thought maybe they had found a foundation problem or something.
But he just wanted to turn it into a contemporary style monstrosity.
I like contemporaries, but this one is bad. He also put in 13 separate
AC systems. That's right, one day I checked it out and there were
13 outside units. The house might be 4000 sq ft, if that.

That was several years ago. Now the house looks abandoned, has
been that way for awhile now. Mabye he finally ran out of money.

On 7/28/2015 6:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 21:46:06 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:



[snip]



In my part of the world, yes, that's a very valid way
to make metals disappear.
If you want it to dissapear REAL fast, put a price on it. Even a
buck. Some guys can't resist pinching something,


go back and start at the beginning, Clare. That was my first solution
to her disposal problem. Then, and only then, if that failed, set it
out for garbage collection a day or two ahead and the pickup truck with
the undocumented Democrats would grab it for her.



Wasn't clear that the price tag wasn't to try to sell it.
A lot of people won't buy, and if it's worthless they won't pick it
up, but if they can steal something of negligible value - that's a
different story

Which is EXACTLY why I put a nominal price on it

If you put FREE on it, it likely will be ignored as people will suspect
that it's DOA. Put a very reasonable price on it and they'll steal it.

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 6:53:56 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 3:05:26 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
Of course, when I win the Powerball Lottery, I'll build a mansion and install ground source heat pumps equipped with variable speed scroll compressors. Heck, I'll probably spend all my money on Diet Mountain Dew. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Dew Monster

Guy near me acted like he won the lottery. There was a small, new
subdivision of about 6 homes, all colonials. He bought one of them
that was still under construction. It had the roof on, windows, doors,
in, etc. He tour most of that down, right back to the first level.
I thought maybe they had found a foundation problem or something.
But he just wanted to turn it into a contemporary style monstrosity.
I like contemporaries, but this one is bad. He also put in 13 separate
AC systems. That's right, one day I checked it out and there were
13 outside units. The house might be 4000 sq ft, if that.

That was several years ago. Now the house looks abandoned, has
been that way for awhile now. Mabye he finally ran out of money.

And nobody has stolen the condensing units by now? The multiple units, from your description, seem like those small one room mini-split systems that originated in Asia. I suppose using a small heat pump for every room could save money in the long run. When I'm at home, I spend most of my time in one room of the house so something like a mini-split heat pump would work for me. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Split Monster

On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/28/2015 6:36 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
We have a wide range of housing, where I am. As it
happens, I live in a trailer in a trailer park.
Walking distance from me are apartments, and fourplex
houses. And farther than that are stick built frame
houses. About five miles away is a KOA full of campers.

But me, well, trailer with not enough insulation and
too much clutter.


Doesn't it get pretty cold in the winter where you live? Maybe the
clutter actually helps with the insulation factor? As least that's what
I hope for us. Everyone else here is a clutter bug, except for myself,
of course. (hahaha!!)


Yes, it can get down near zereo F (minus 17c) in the
winter. Cold enough that I don't want to go out for
any reason. Hope the clutter helps with the heat,
but I kind of doubt it.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 7/29/2015 6:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/28/2015 10:05 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/28/2015 6:36 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
We have a wide range of housing, where I am. As it
happens, I live in a trailer in a trailer park.
Walking distance from me are apartments, and fourplex
houses. And farther than that are stick built frame
houses. About five miles away is a KOA full of campers.

But me, well, trailer with not enough insulation and
too much clutter.


Doesn't it get pretty cold in the winter where you live? Maybe the
clutter actually helps with the insulation factor? As least that's what
I hope for us. Everyone else here is a clutter bug, except for myself,
of course. (hahaha!!)


Yes, it can get down near zereo F (minus 17c) in the
winter. Cold enough that I don't want to go out for
any reason. Hope the clutter helps with the heat,
but I kind of doubt it.



Dress warm all the time indoors and outdoors and only change clothes
like you've entered a speed contest when the heat has been turned up
enough so most body parts won't freeze in the interim. Right?

--
Maggie

On 7/29/2015 12:03 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/29/2015 6:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Yes, it can get down near zereo F (minus 17c) in the
winter. Cold enough that I don't want to go out for
any reason. Hope the clutter helps with the heat,
but I kind of doubt it.



Dress warm all the time indoors and outdoors and only change clothes
like you've entered a speed contest when the heat has been turned up
enough so most body parts won't freeze in the interim. Right?


That's pretty much the way of it. I've found that a
humidifier is a huge help in the winter. Takes about
two gal of water a day. I do what I can to keep the
house vapor tight, but obviously the humidity is going
some where.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 7/29/2015 11:08 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/29/2015 12:03 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/29/2015 6:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Yes, it can get down near zereo F (minus 17c) in the
winter. Cold enough that I don't want to go out for
any reason. Hope the clutter helps with the heat,
but I kind of doubt it.



Dress warm all the time indoors and outdoors and only change clothes
like you've entered a speed contest when the heat has been turned up
enough so most body parts won't freeze in the interim. Right?


That's pretty much the way of it. I've found that a
humidifier is a huge help in the winter. Takes about
two gal of water a day. I do what I can to keep the
house vapor tight, but obviously the humidity is going
some where.


We run a humidifier in the winter, too, otherwise, it gets to dry.

--
Maggie