I need something like an inkjet printer, but for paint. Just throws out
the same size droplets, no drops too small.

What's the least fog producing indoor sprayer around?

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:05:46 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

I need something like an inkjet printer, but for paint. Just throws out
the same size droplets, no drops too small.

What's the least fog producing indoor sprayer around?

If you mean a sprayer that atomizes the paint, I'll just say, do not
get a Wagner brand. I tried one; one time, to paint interior doors
(outside).

Never got a quart of paint through the dang thing. Yes, I strained the
paint and thinned it a bit. Cleaned it, and got my refund within a few
hours. YMMV

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:28:48 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:05:46 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

I need something like an inkjet printer, but for paint. Just throws out
the same size droplets, no drops too small.

What's the least fog producing indoor sprayer around?

If you mean a sprayer that atomizes the paint, I'll just say, do not
get a Wagner brand. I tried one; one time, to paint interior doors
(outside).

Never got a quart of paint through the dang thing. Yes, I strained the
paint and thinned it a bit. Cleaned it, and got my refund within a few
hours. YMMV

Yes, a 'victim' of advertising, I also have one. Wasn't so bad with
lacquer, but the fog was impressive, suitable for killing cockroaches,
....and me.

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:06:17 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:28:48 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:05:46 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

I need something like an inkjet printer, but for paint. Just throws out
the same size droplets, no drops too small.

What's the least fog producing indoor sprayer around?

If you mean a sprayer that atomizes the paint, I'll just say, do not
get a Wagner brand. I tried one; one time, to paint interior doors
(outside).

Never got a quart of paint through the dang thing. Yes, I strained the
paint and thinned it a bit. Cleaned it, and got my refund within a few
hours. YMMV

Yes, a 'victim' of advertising, I also have one. Wasn't so bad with
lacquer, but the fog was impressive, suitable for killing cockroaches,
...and me.


I have a higher priced Graco airless sprayer. Take care of it and it will last
for many years and it does a fantastic job. Here is a link the sprayers on
Amazon. I would stay away from the cheaper, retail grade units.

http://amzn.to/1ibqerR

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:42:46 -0800, Lab Lover wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:06:17 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:28:48 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:05:46 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

I need something like an inkjet printer, but for paint. Just throws out
the same size droplets, no drops too small.

What's the least fog producing indoor sprayer around?

If you mean a sprayer that atomizes the paint, I'll just say, do not
get a Wagner brand. I tried one; one time, to paint interior doors
(outside).

Never got a quart of paint through the dang thing. Yes, I strained the
paint and thinned it a bit. Cleaned it, and got my refund within a few
hours. YMMV

Yes, a 'victim' of advertising, I also have one. Wasn't so bad with
lacquer, but the fog was impressive, suitable for killing cockroaches,
...and me.


I have a higher priced Graco airless sprayer. Take care of it and it will last
for many years and it does a fantastic job. Here is a link the sprayers on
Amazon. I would stay away from the cheaper, retail grade units.

http://amzn.to/1ibqerR

Agree on the Craco airless sprayers. Best of all the airless sprayers.
Never realized they had a one quart sprayer. Avoid any sprayer
painted yellow (the Wagner "Bumble Bee" as I call it) :-\

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:42:46 -0700, Lab Lover wrote:

...snip...
I have a higher priced Graco airless sprayer. Take care of it and it
will last
for many years and it does a fantastic job. Here is a link the sprayers
on
Amazon. I would stay away from the cheaper, retail grade units.

http://amzn.to/1ibqerR

Thank you for your recommendation. Graco is carried both at HomeDepot and
Lowes. Don't know about your specific model, though.

Graco did seem a bit pricey. But in view of potential problems, is cheap.

RobertMacy writes:
I need something like an inkjet printer, but for paint. Just throws out
the same size droplets, no drops too small.

What's the least fog producing indoor sprayer around?

High-volume, low pressure (HVLP) sprayers.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:11:26 -0700, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

RobertMacy writes:
I need something like an inkjet printer, but for paint. Just throws out
the same size droplets, no drops too small.

What's the least fog producing indoor sprayer around?

High-volume, low pressure (HVLP) sprayers.


makes sense, but ...

Make? Model?

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:52:57 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:11:26 -0700, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

RobertMacy writes:
I need something like an inkjet printer, but for paint. Just throws out
the same size droplets, no drops too small.

What's the least fog producing indoor sprayer around?

High-volume, low pressure (HVLP) sprayers.


makes sense, but ...

Make? Model?

We have this one and we are very pleased with it. Secret is to clean it
thoroughly after each use or you will be buying new hoses (don't loan it to
idiot friends.)

http://amzn.to/1eeWs69

On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 10:35:57 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:42:46 -0700, Lab Lover wrote:

...snip...
I have a higher priced Graco airless sprayer. Take care of it and it
will last
for many years and it does a fantastic job. Here is a link the sprayers
on
Amazon. I would stay away from the cheaper, retail grade units.

http://amzn.to/1ibqerR

Thank you for your recommendation. Graco is carried both at HomeDepot and
Lowes. Don't know about your specific model, though.

Graco did seem a bit pricey. But in view of potential problems, is cheap.



You are welcome. Might I suggest you check out Craigslist, you might find a
bargain on a used unit. They are fairly easy to test before you buy them, see:

http://bit.ly/1afbbNA

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:21:28 -0700, Lab Lover wrote:

....snip....
You are welcome. Might I suggest you check out Craigslist, you might find
a
bargain on a used unit. They are fairly easy to test before you buy them,
see:

http://bit.ly/1afbbNA

didn't think about craigslist, good resource

Irritatingly, I own a VERY expensive airless sprayer ...that's in storage,
so no access.

One of those 2,000+ psi with legs to sit over the 5 gal bucket. I used it
on a two story house once, hated the 'orange peel' finish, but hated to
thin the paint anymore. and more than 50 ft away, don't notice that much.

A painter told me 'no matter what DON'T stick your finger over that
orifice!' seems he had a friend who tried freeing a clog with his finger
tip, and as the clog came undone the high psi shoved a lot of paint into
his flesh "intra-epidermously" said he had like a 'bag' of paint inside
his flesh like a big balloon. wouldn't have been so bad but latex is a
real organic contaminant and he ended up losing finger(s) later. now
that's a BIG ouch! glad he shared, wouldn't have thought so much damage is
possible. In retrospect, since it was a 'friend' wonder if the story is an
urban myth, or real.

What I'm trying to paint are walls, especially a surface along a hallway,
so right at eye level next to your face, and worse catches the light so
has to be uniform. Brushing with a 'feather' brush hasn't worked very
well. I can see 'patterns' along the wall. and rolling is out of the
question since brushing shows potential problem. I found that if you can't
brush it on well, it won't roll on well either! just end up with bigger,
more insidious problems from the roller and rolling patterns.

So thought, may be able to spray with less problem, but I still fight that
wet paint over tacky paint pattern! I think can be attributed to a
'textural' difference, being slightly rougher. The best result I ever had
was spray painting 80 french door panels using an adjustable airbrush and
lacquer based paint. Now that went well. brushing was a bit out of the
question, besides being extremely tedious there was 'puddling' and overlap
onto the glass, and etc etc.

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 07:53:32 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:

What I'm trying to paint are walls, especially a surface along a hallway,
so right at eye level next to your face, and worse catches the light so
has to be uniform. Brushing with a 'feather' brush hasn't worked very
well. I can see 'patterns' along the wall. and rolling is out of the
question since brushing shows potential problem. I found that if you can't
brush it on well, it won't roll on well either! just end up with bigger,
more insidious problems from the roller and rolling patterns.


I am confused:

1. What is the surface you are attempting to paint? Is it sheetrock?

2. Is there some kind of a texture to the material?

3. Is there a printed pattern that does not have a texture?

On Monday, February 3, 2014 9:53:32 AM UTC-5, Robert Macy wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:21:28 -0700, Lab Lover wrote:



...snip....

You are welcome. Might I suggest you check out Craigslist, you might find

a

bargain on a used unit. They are fairly easy to test before you buy them,

see:



http://bit.ly/1afbbNA



didn't think about craigslist, good resource



Irritatingly, I own a VERY expensive airless sprayer ...that's in storage,

so no access.



One of those 2,000+ psi with legs to sit over the 5 gal bucket. I used it

on a two story house once, hated the 'orange peel' finish, but hated to

thin the paint anymore. and more than 50 ft away, don't notice that much.



A painter told me 'no matter what DON'T stick your finger over that

orifice!' seems he had a friend who tried freeing a clog with his finger

tip, and as the clog came undone the high psi shoved a lot of paint into

his flesh "intra-epidermously" said he had like a 'bag' of paint inside

his flesh like a big balloon. wouldn't have been so bad but latex is a

real organic contaminant and he ended up losing finger(s) later. now

that's a BIG ouch! glad he shared, wouldn't have thought so much damage is

possible. In retrospect, since it was a 'friend' wonder if the story is an

urban myth, or real.



What I'm trying to paint are walls, especially a surface along a hallway,

so right at eye level next to your face, and worse catches the light so

has to be uniform. Brushing with a 'feather' brush hasn't worked very

well. I can see 'patterns' along the wall. and rolling is out of the

question since brushing shows potential problem. I found that if you can't

brush it on well, it won't roll on well either! just end up with bigger,

more insidious problems from the roller and rolling patterns.



So thought, may be able to spray with less problem, but I still fight that

wet paint over tacky paint pattern! I think can be attributed to a

'textural' difference, being slightly rougher. The best result I ever had

was spray painting 80 french door panels using an adjustable airbrush and

lacquer based paint. Now that went well. brushing was a bit out of the

question, besides being extremely tedious there was 'puddling' and overlap

onto the glass, and etc etc.

I find a roller leaves less marks than a brush. There is also flow control products that you can add to paint to make it flow better. Visit your local paint store.

I have the mid range (7) graco myself and I like it a lot. I got it off CL for about half the new price. I spent some time cleaning it up and I bought some additional tips but it has served me well.

Lacquer does do well but it's unpopular now due to the high vocs.

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 08:06:36 -0700, Lab Lover wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 07:53:32 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

What I'm trying to paint are walls, especially a surface along a
hallway,
so right at eye level next to your face, and worse catches the light so
has to be uniform. Brushing with a 'feather' brush hasn't worked very
well. I can see 'patterns' along the wall. and rolling is out of the
question since brushing shows potential problem. I found that if you
can't
brush it on well, it won't roll on well either! just end up with bigger,
more insidious problems from the roller and rolling patterns.


I am confused:

1. What is the surface you are attempting to paint? Is it sheetrock?

2. Is there some kind of a texture to the material?

3. Is there a printed pattern that does not have a texture?


1. Interior walls. drywall with and without smooth skim coat.

2. What material? you mean the paint, not when you start, but if disturbed
while trying to dry, ...

3. see 2.

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:30:19 -0700, jamesgang
wrote:

...snip....

I find a roller leaves less marks than a brush. There is also flow
control products that you can add to paint to make it flow better.
Visit your local paint store.

I have the mid range (7) graco myself and I like it a lot. I got it off
CL for about half the new price. I spent some time cleaning it up and I
bought some additional tips but it has served me well.

Lacquer does do well but it's unpopular now due to the high vocs.

Interesting, I found that if I have a problem with brush, I end up with a
worse problem using a roller, different AND worse.

Uh, if you've read my postings, you would have seen the battle I've had
using flow products. I've cut paint to the point it is so watery, it drips
off the brush, far too runny. I've used distilled water, Floetrol, and
glass cleaner [contains the same chemicals as latex type paint] with
always the same result, less than I want. The problem could be low
humidity.

Solution? paint thick, wet 'n' dry sand, and then finish with a 'dry'
brush. Makes about the flatest I've been able to get here.

Glad to hear about Graco, will look into it. but as I said I have a $$$
airless in storage, so difficult to justify buying another, unless it's
small and portable, like for interior 'light' or touch-up jobs.

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:33:51 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 08:06:36 -0700, Lab Lover wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 07:53:32 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

What I'm trying to paint are walls, especially a surface along a
hallway,
so right at eye level next to your face, and worse catches the light so
has to be uniform. Brushing with a 'feather' brush hasn't worked very
well. I can see 'patterns' along the wall. and rolling is out of the
question since brushing shows potential problem. I found that if you
can't
brush it on well, it won't roll on well either! just end up with bigger,
more insidious problems from the roller and rolling patterns.


I am confused:

1. What is the surface you are attempting to paint? Is it sheetrock?

2. Is there some kind of a texture to the material?

3. Is there a printed pattern that does not have a texture?


1. Interior walls. drywall with and without smooth skim coat.

2. What material? you mean the paint, not when you start, but if disturbed
while trying to dry, ...

3. see 2.


I guess a lot of this is relative. I am not terribly sensitive to a slight
texture with wall paint. I would never expect my walls to have the same kind of
flawless finish I would expect on the plane, cars or bicycles.

I found the secret with the sprayer is lots of light, lots of practice and
resisting the temptation to apply heavy coats. Obviously meticulous prep and
very clean surfaces is paramount.

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:46:46 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:

Glad to hear about Graco, will look into it. but as I said I have a $$$
airless in storage, so difficult to justify buying another, unless it's
small and portable, like for interior 'light' or touch-up jobs.

Buy it used and resell it when you are able to reclaim the one in storage. Odds
are you will sell it for more than you pay.

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:56:54 -0700, Lab Lover wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:46:46 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

Glad to hear about Graco, will look into it. but as I said I have a $$$
airless in storage, so difficult to justify buying another, unless it's
small and portable, like for interior 'light' or touch-up jobs.

Buy it used and resell it when you are able to reclaim the one in
storage. Odds
are you will sell it for more than you pay.


GACK! Never thought of that! Should have...

Back in the late 80's I had a chance to buy a RollsRoyce out of Texas for
only $50k. I passed on it, like an idiot. I could have kept that car, ten
years later sold it for more than, at least the same, I paid for it, and
been driving one of the most prestigious [and comfortable] cars at almost
NO cost whatsoever! Only think in terms of a savings account with NO
interest. ...like today.

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:23:06 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:56:54 -0700, Lab Lover wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:46:46 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

Glad to hear about Graco, will look into it. but as I said I have a $$$
airless in storage, so difficult to justify buying another, unless it's
small and portable, like for interior 'light' or touch-up jobs.

Buy it used and resell it when you are able to reclaim the one in
storage. Odds
are you will sell it for more than you pay.


GACK! Never thought of that! Should have...

Back in the late 80's I had a chance to buy a RollsRoyce out of Texas for
only $50k. I passed on it, like an idiot. I could have kept that car, ten
years later sold it for more than, at least the same, I paid for it, and
been driving one of the most prestigious [and comfortable] cars at almost
NO cost whatsoever! Only think in terms of a savings account with NO
interest. ...like today.


Interesting, I had a friend who would buy used RR's, he said they were really
inexpensive to buy but absurdly expensive to fuel and maintain.