Found 47 (forty seven) leaky D cell Rayovac
batteries I'd not noticed before. Last batch
was 16, if memory serves.

What brand works better, and less likely to
leak? I know, this is likely to start a flame
war.


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On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 17:34:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Found 47 (forty seven) leaky D cell Rayovac
batteries I'd not noticed before. Last batch
was 16, if memory serves.

What brand works better, and less likely to
leak? I know, this is likely to start a flame
war.

Not a flame; just a personal observation.

In twenty plus years I have only had one pack of leaky batteries.
While that was a brand name, it was 5 or 6 years beyond the expiration
date on the package. It would be hard for me to blame the manufacturer
for the fact that they got stuck on a shelf and forgotten - literally
for years.

The ones I used when I bought the package, gave a good service life
and were run to exhaustion and replaced with no problem.

What do you do that gives so many failures ?

Are you still trying to charge one-use alkaline batteries ?

From what I can figure, the companies recommend the
proverbial cool, dry, dark place. That being refrig-
erator, but not freezer. I had stored some on a high
shelf in the bedroom. These were on low shelf in the
hall. Yes, they do get some heat in the summer, but
not like car trunk for example.

I've put as many as I can, into the refrigerator. When
and if the replacements come, I'll cram them into the
refrig, some how. This is really getting disappointing.

Hope the replacements arrive before the hurricane,
power cut, EmP, or other need.


..
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On 9/4/2013 7:19 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Hi,
Maybe he stores his batteries in an improper spots?
Like a warm location? Batteries don't like heat.

Winston_Smith wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 17:34:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Found 47 (forty seven) leaky D cell Rayovac
batteries I'd not noticed before. Last batch
was 16, if memory serves.

What brand works better, and less likely to
leak? I know, this is likely to start a flame
war.

Not a flame; just a personal observation.

In twenty plus years I have only had one pack of leaky batteries.
While that was a brand name, it was 5 or 6 years beyond the expiration
date on the package. It would be hard for me to blame the manufacturer
for the fact that they got stuck on a shelf and forgotten - literally
for years.

The ones I used when I bought the package, gave a good service life
and were run to exhaustion and replaced with no problem.

What do you do that gives so many failures ?

Are you still trying to charge one-use alkaline batteries ?

Hi,
Maybe he stores his batteries in an improper spots?
Like a warm location? Batteries don't like heat.

On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 18:33:17 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Hope the replacements arrive before the hurricane,
power cut, EmP, or other need.

Which brings to mind the next question - why do you need so many
batteries?

I have perhaps two dozen mixed AA and AAA enloops. That serves all my
needs emergency and everyday. More expensive at start up but surely,
less cost in the long run and certainly less grief.

I certainly don't need everything at any given moment so even in a
power outage I'm OK for quite a long time. I can recharge from 120 VAC
in normal times and if the world ends, from the cigarette lighter, or
a small solar panel.

Add to that a half dozen AA alkalines for older equipment that doesn't
tolerate the lower NiMH voltage, six Ds for my ancient but beloved
AM/FM/SW boom box (which has high current draw), and a spare 9 V for
the smoke alarm.

Not much and no problems. This should not be a career.

On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 17:32:04 -0700, Winston_Smith
wrote:

Which brings to mind the next question - why do you need so many
batteries?

Um, previously he stated he hides under the bed and the light went
dim. It's on the Internet.

On 9/4/2013 5:33 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
From what I can figure, the companies recommend the
proverbial cool, dry, dark place. That being refrig-
erator, but not freezer. I had stored some on a high
shelf in the bedroom. These were on low shelf in the
hall. Yes, they do get some heat in the summer, but
not like car trunk for example.

I've put as many as I can, into the refrigerator. When
and if the replacements come, I'll cram them into the
refrig, some how. This is really getting disappointing.

Hope the replacements arrive before the hurricane,
power cut, EmP, or other need.



You're supposed to let the batteries warm up to room temperature before
using. If you go through a fair number of batteries like I do, you
shouldn't have to refrigerate them before going through them. I've been
buying dollar store alkaline batteries and none of them have leaked. Of
course, I never leave any batteries in a hot vehicle long enough for the
heat to affect them and here in Alabamastan, I'm sure I encounter much
higher temperatures in my environment than y'all Yankees do. ^_^

TDD

Ideally, I'd like to have "just enough" batteries
to meet my needs for the week, or month. Some
part of my view of the world is that things are
about to shut down. So, I like to have extra this
or that on hand.

We have Dollar Tree, up nawth. They have four AA
or AAA alkalines in package, which is a good price.
As to C and D size, packs of three, carbon zincs.

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On 9/4/2013 11:15 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


You're supposed to let the batteries warm up to room temperature before
using. If you go through a fair number of batteries like I do, you
shouldn't have to refrigerate them before going through them. I've been
buying dollar store alkaline batteries and none of them have leaked. Of
course, I never leave any batteries in a hot vehicle long enough for the
heat to affect them and here in Alabamastan, I'm sure I encounter much
higher temperatures in my environment than y'all Yankees do. ^_^

TDD

On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 03:35:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Ideally, I'd like to have "just enough" batteries
to meet my needs for the week, or month. Some
part of my view of the world is that things are
about to shut down. So, I like to have extra this
or that on hand.

We have Dollar Tree, up nawth. They have four AA
or AAA alkalines in package, which is a good price.
As to C and D size, packs of three, carbon zincs.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 9/4/2013 11:15 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


You're supposed to let the batteries warm up to room temperature before
using. If you go through a fair number of batteries like I do, you
shouldn't have to refrigerate them before going through them. I've been
buying dollar store alkaline batteries and none of them have leaked. Of
course, I never leave any batteries in a hot vehicle long enough for the
heat to affect them and here in Alabamastan, I'm sure I encounter much
higher temperatures in my environment than y'all Yankees do. ^_^

TDD


Just stay the hell away from Sunbeam batteries unless you buy them and
use them immediately. They DO leak like sieves.


"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

Found 47 (forty seven) leaky D cell Rayovac
batteries I'd not noticed before. Last batch
was 16, if memory serves.

As a matter of slightly more than idle curiosity, why do you need 47 (forty
seven) batteries?

--

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____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

Looks like time to evaluate how many batteries to
have on hand. I went a bit to excess, I think.
I really don't use that many D cells, and bought
too many. What is annoying, is that the ones which
leaked were "in date" and should have been just fine
for many more years of storage. I'm wondering if
Rayovac has quality problems?

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On 9/4/2013 11:15 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

You're supposed to let the batteries warm up to room temperature before
using. If you go through a fair number of batteries like I do, you
shouldn't have to refrigerate them before going through them. I've been
buying dollar store alkaline batteries and none of them have leaked. Of
course, I never leave any batteries in a hot vehicle long enough for the
heat to affect them and here in Alabamastan, I'm sure I encounter much
higher temperatures in my environment than y'all Yankees do. ^_^

TDD

For most of my life, I've been obsessed with flash
lights. In their various forms. At the moment, I've
got more than I'll ever need. And, they need batteries.
Seems a shame to have the power go out, or some other
need, and not have enough batteries.

I use a bunch of AA cells in my digicam, and my pocket
flash light (mini mag with LED conversion). 9 volt in
smoke detectors, and some devices at work. A few AAA
cells for pocket lights, #13 for hearing aids. I actually
use very few C or D cells, and 47 D cells is a bit too
much. I get carried away, now and again.

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On 9/5/2013 7:39 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As a matter of slightly more than idle curiosity, why do you need 47 (forty
seven) batteries?

On 9/5/2013 8:01 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
For most of my life, I've been obsessed with flash
lights. In their various forms. At the moment, I've
got more than I'll ever need. And, they need batteries.
Seems a shame to have the power go out, or some other
need, and not have enough batteries.

I use a bunch of AA cells in my digicam, and my pocket
flash light (mini mag with LED conversion). 9 volt in
smoke detectors, and some devices at work. A few AAA
cells for pocket lights, #13 for hearing aids. I actually
use very few C or D cells, and 47 D cells is a bit too
much. I get carried away, now and again.

So what's your username on CPF? Don't tell me that you haven't been
over there yet, sounds like you'd fit right in.

nate

Sigh. I think I signed up, years ago. I'd be
Stormin Mormon, of course.

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On 9/5/2013 8:50 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 9/5/2013 8:01 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
For most of my life, I've been obsessed with flash
lights. In their various forms. At the moment, I've

So what's your username on CPF? Don't tell me that you haven't been
over there yet, sounds like you'd fit right in.

nate

A while back we did testing on batteries and found Ray-o-vac far superior
in storage, something like 20% more than the next best, ...but NOT shelf
life, or stored in the product life. they tended to leak and destroy.

Second was Energizer had a loft of stored capability and never seemed to
leak in the product.
Third, at about 60% of Energizer was Duracell. didn't leak, but not much
power and same cost.

Jeff Liebermann [I think it was him] posted a URL showing recent testing
comparing batteries uner different load conditions. Turned out some were
better than others in different applications, like torch vs radio vs LED
etc.
http://www.powerstream.com/AA-tests.htm

I was told to NEVER test your stored battery, under load. Doing so starts
a deteriorating chemical process that runs your batteries down in like a
year. So don't test them if you want long shelf life.


On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:34:26 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Found 47 (forty seven) leaky D cell Rayovac
batteries I'd not noticed before. Last batch
was 16, if memory serves.

What brand works better, and less likely to
leak? I know, this is likely to start a flame
war.


.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

From some article [article in EDN or Electronics Design, or such] storing
batteries in the fridge is fraught with peril. People open and close
fridge doors, don't just leave things in there. As a result a slight layer
of moisutre forms on the surface of the stored battery. The slight amount
of moisture that comes and goes provides a discharge path and you end up
with a lot of cold, dead batteries [sorry for the reference] According to
the 'article' the shelf lifetime was actually less inside a kitchen fridge
than at room temp, and very much longer inside a laboraotry fridge, which
is not opened very much. [All from memory, but makes sense]

*IF* you're going to store batteries in fridge, store in sealed containers
containing a dessicant. Then you get the advantage of the cool storage
WITHOUT the moisture layer causing leakage.



On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:33:17 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

From what I can figure, the companies recommend the
proverbial cool, dry, dark place. That being refrig-
erator, but not freezer. I had stored some on a high
shelf in the bedroom. These were on low shelf in the
hall. Yes, they do get some heat in the summer, but
not like car trunk for example.

I've put as many as I can, into the refrigerator. When
and if the replacements come, I'll cram them into the
refrig, some how. This is really getting disappointing.

Hope the replacements arrive before the hurricane,
power cut, EmP, or other need.


.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 9/4/2013 7:19 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Hi,
Maybe he stores his batteries in an improper spots?
Like a warm location? Batteries don't like heat.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Looks like time to evaluate how many batteries to
have on hand. I went a bit to excess, I think.
I really don't use that many D cells, and bought
too many. What is annoying, is that the ones which
leaked were "in date" and should have been just fine
for many more years of storage. I'm wondering if
Rayovac has quality problems?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org

My question would be "will RayoVac replace them".

On 9/5/2013 9:05 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
From some article [article in EDN or Electronics Design, or such]
storing batteries in the fridge is fraught with peril. People open and
close fridge doors, don't just leave things in there. As a result a
slight layer of moisutre forms on the surface of the stored battery. The
slight amount of moisture that comes and goes provides a discharge path
and you end up with a lot of cold, dead batteries [sorry for the
reference] According to the 'article' the shelf lifetime was actually
less inside a kitchen fridge than at room temp, and very much longer
inside a laboraotry fridge, which is not opened very much. [All from
memory, but makes sense]

*IF* you're going to store batteries in fridge, store in sealed
containers containing a dessicant. Then you get the advantage of the
cool storage WITHOUT the moisture layer causing leakage.



I thought most folks considering storing batteries in the fridge would
know to put them in something airtight to keep them from getting wet. I
would use zip-lock plastic bags with a teaspoon of rice in with the
batteries to soak up any moisture. Of course the air should be squeezed
out of the bag and when the batteries are removed from the fridge, allow
them to warm up in the bag so no moisture can condense on them from the
warm air. ^_^

TDD

On 9/5/2013 10:05 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
From some article [article in EDN or Electronics Design, or such]
storing batteries in the fridge is fraught with peril. People open and
close fridge doors, don't just leave things in there. As a result a
slight layer of moisutre forms on the surface of the stored battery. The
slight amount of moisture that comes and goes provides a discharge path
and you end up with a lot of cold, dead batteries [sorry for the
reference] According to the 'article' the shelf lifetime was actually
less inside a kitchen fridge than at room temp, and very much longer
inside a laboraotry fridge, which is not opened very much. [All from
memory, but makes sense]

*IF* you're going to store batteries in fridge, store in sealed
containers containing a dessicant. Then you get the advantage of the
cool storage WITHOUT the moisture layer causing leakage.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Most people don't have little
packets of silica gel laying around though; I wonder if a Ziploc bag
with a spoonful of uncooked rice in it would suffice?

this is more academic to me than relevant; it's an interesting question
but I don't really store any alkalines; I am probably 60% or more
converted from alkaline to NiMH and will be mostly alkaline-free once
the Brown Santa brings me some more.

nate

On 9/5/2013 10:25 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 9/5/2013 9:05 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
From some article [article in EDN or Electronics Design, or such]
storing batteries in the fridge is fraught with peril. People open and
close fridge doors, don't just leave things in there. As a result a
slight layer of moisutre forms on the surface of the stored battery. The
slight amount of moisture that comes and goes provides a discharge path
and you end up with a lot of cold, dead batteries [sorry for the
reference] According to the 'article' the shelf lifetime was actually
less inside a kitchen fridge than at room temp, and very much longer
inside a laboraotry fridge, which is not opened very much. [All from
memory, but makes sense]

*IF* you're going to store batteries in fridge, store in sealed
containers containing a dessicant. Then you get the advantage of the
cool storage WITHOUT the moisture layer causing leakage.



I thought most folks considering storing batteries in the fridge would
know to put them in something airtight to keep them from getting wet. I
would use zip-lock plastic bags with a teaspoon of rice in with the
batteries to soak up any moisture. Of course the air should be squeezed
out of the bag and when the batteries are removed from the fridge, allow
them to warm up in the bag so no moisture can condense on them from the
warm air. ^_^

TDD

Either great minds think alike, or we're both nuts - I just posted
speculating if that would work before I read this.

nate

Hmm. I'd not heard this, but it does make sense.

Perhaps some tupperware containers would help keep
me from having to pry the batteries from my cold,
dead refrigerator racks.

..
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On 9/5/2013 10:05 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
From some article [article in EDN or Electronics Design, or such]
storing batteries in the fridge is fraught with peril. People open and
close fridge doors, don't just leave things in there. As a result a
slight layer of moisutre forms on the surface of the stored battery. The
slight amount of moisture that comes and goes provides a discharge path
and you end up with a lot of cold, dead batteries [sorry for the
reference] According to the 'article' the shelf lifetime was actually
less inside a kitchen fridge than at room temp, and very much longer
inside a laboraotry fridge, which is not opened very much. [All from
memory, but makes sense]

*IF* you're going to store batteries in fridge, store in sealed
containers containing a dessicant. Then you get the advantage of the
cool storage WITHOUT the moisture layer causing leakage.

On 9/5/2013 9:33 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 9/5/2013 10:25 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 9/5/2013 9:05 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
From some article [article in EDN or Electronics Design, or such]
storing batteries in the fridge is fraught with peril. People open and
close fridge doors, don't just leave things in there. As a result a
slight layer of moisutre forms on the surface of the stored battery. The
slight amount of moisture that comes and goes provides a discharge path
and you end up with a lot of cold, dead batteries [sorry for the
reference] According to the 'article' the shelf lifetime was actually
less inside a kitchen fridge than at room temp, and very much longer
inside a laboraotry fridge, which is not opened very much. [All from
memory, but makes sense]

*IF* you're going to store batteries in fridge, store in sealed
containers containing a dessicant. Then you get the advantage of the
cool storage WITHOUT the moisture layer causing leakage.



I thought most folks considering storing batteries in the fridge would
know to put them in something airtight to keep them from getting wet. I
would use zip-lock plastic bags with a teaspoon of rice in with the
batteries to soak up any moisture. Of course the air should be squeezed
out of the bag and when the batteries are removed from the fridge, allow
them to warm up in the bag so no moisture can condense on them from the
warm air. ^_^

TDD

Either great minds think alike, or we're both nuts - I just posted
speculating if that would work before I read this.

nate

We're both nuts. It will make you feel better if you just accept it and
admit it. ^_^

TDD

On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 10:39:35 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Hmm. I'd not heard this, but it does make sense.

Perhaps some tupperware containers would help keep
me from having to pry the batteries from my cold,
dead refrigerator racks.

When storeing them in the fridge...store them in vacuum bags and suck
the air out well before closing off the bags.



.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 9/5/2013 10:05 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
From some article [article in EDN or Electronics Design, or such]
storing batteries in the fridge is fraught with peril. People open and
close fridge doors, don't just leave things in there. As a result a
slight layer of moisutre forms on the surface of the stored battery. The
slight amount of moisture that comes and goes provides a discharge path
and you end up with a lot of cold, dead batteries [sorry for the
reference] According to the 'article' the shelf lifetime was actually
less inside a kitchen fridge than at room temp, and very much longer
inside a laboraotry fridge, which is not opened very much. [All from
memory, but makes sense]

*IF* you're going to store batteries in fridge, store in sealed
containers containing a dessicant. Then you get the advantage of the
cool storage WITHOUT the moisture layer causing leakage.



"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

Well, guess I failed this test. I'll get some
ziploc bags one day soon.

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On 9/5/2013 10:25 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I thought most folks considering storing batteries in the fridge would
know to put them in something airtight to keep them from getting wet. I
would use zip-lock plastic bags with a teaspoon of rice in with the
batteries to soak up any moisture. Of course the air should be squeezed
out of the bag and when the batteries are removed from the fridge, allow
them to warm up in the bag so no moisture can condense on them from the
warm air. ^_^

TDD

Can order them on Amazon, like you can get any
other thing. Sigh.

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On 9/5/2013 10:32 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:

That actually makes a lot of sense. Most people don't have little
packets of silica gel laying around though; I wonder if a Ziploc bag
with a spoonful of uncooked rice in it would suffice?

this is more academic to me than relevant; it's an interesting question
but I don't really store any alkalines; I am probably 60% or more
converted from alkaline to NiMH and will be mostly alkaline-free once
the Brown Santa brings me some more.

nate

OK, now go to your twelve step program.
Nuts Anonymous.

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On 9/5/2013 10:43 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 9/5/2013 9:33 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:

Either great minds think alike, or we're both nuts - I just posted
speculating if that would work before I read this.

nate

We're both nuts. It will make you feel better if you just accept it and
admit it. ^_^

TDD

http://www.snopes.com/oldwives/battery.asp
I appear to have gotten it wrong. Sigh.

On 9/5/2013 10:39 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Hmm. I'd not heard this, but it does make sense.

Perhaps some tupperware containers would help keep
me from having to pry the batteries from my cold,
dead refrigerator racks.

I notice both wordings are 'extreme' temperature *and* moisture damage.

Sounds like mfg'rs know people are likely to lose from moisture damage
than gain from cold storage.

Or, they both want to sell batteries. Remember THEY'RE the ones who put
that little self check on the package without telling you the long term
effects of actually using that widget.

No, to me, in this case chemical process is chemical process and colder is
slower, well except for bread going stale. maybe there's a range?

Uh, is there a snopes on snopes?



On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 09:28:07 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/oldwives/battery.asp
I appear to have gotten it wrong. Sigh.

On 9/5/2013 10:39 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Hmm. I'd not heard this, but it does make sense.

Perhaps some tupperware containers would help keep
me from having to pry the batteries from my cold,
dead refrigerator racks.

On Thursday, September 5, 2013 10:20:56 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
My question would be "will RayoVac replace them".

My answer is, "Yes, they will."

Hey, we could ask. Has anyone on this list got
first hand experience with this?

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On 9/5/2013 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, September 5, 2013 10:20:56 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
My question would be "will RayoVac replace them".

My answer is, "Yes, they will."

On 9/4/2013 6:33 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
From what I can figure, the companies recommend the
proverbial cool, dry, dark place. That being refrig-
erator, but not freezer. I had stored some on a high
shelf in the bedroom. These were on low shelf in the
hall. Yes, they do get some heat in the summer, but
not like car trunk for example.

I've put as many as I can, into the refrigerator. When
and if the replacements come, I'll cram them into the
refrig, some how. This is really getting disappointing.

Hope the replacements arrive before the hurricane,
power cut, EmP, or other need.


.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Wondering if you are buying the cheapest batteries you can find that are
those ones that have had a long shelf life in the stores or warehouses.

On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 03:35:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Some
part of my view of the world is that things are
about to shut down. So, I like to have extra this
or that on hand.

You have posted your view that a melt down is immanent three or four
times over the last ten years. So far .... Yeah, complete
social/economic collapse and a return to the dark ages is a
possibility. A more immediate possibility is economic collapse. There
will be batteries at the stores, you just won't have the money to buy
them.

Rather than store tons of batteries, one shot ones at that, you would
be far better off with a few high quality rechargeable ones and one or
more ways to charge them without commercial power.

If it's a minor bump, say a hurricane** a modest supply should do if
you have picked your equipment wisely and give some care to conserving
your usage.

If it's TEOTWAWKI, even a big stash of one-shots only buys you say a
month or so before you have to face the music. Even a stash of
rechargeable only buys you perhaps a year or two.

For the end of the world - things like candles are a much better
reserve item. In point of fact, your only practical choice will be to
live your (new) life in sync with when the sun is up. For that
situation, you should be thinking renewable resources, not a stash of
high tech production items, with just in time delivery, from places
far away, requiring non-existent fuels for transportation.

Short power outage or end of the world Martian invasion, I have a hard
time seeing a stash of one-shot batteries - with a shelf life - and a
proven bad history - as a wise precaution.



** Isn't it about time for your annual thread about how can WE prepare
for the upcoming hurricane season. It's a staple, right up there with
Sandy Claws coming to town.

On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 08:01:43 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

For most of my life, I've been obsessed with flash
lights. In their various forms. At the moment, I've
got more than I'll ever need. And, they need batteries.
Seems a shame to have the power go out, or some other
need, and not have enough batteries.

How many flashlights might you use at the same time? That pretty much
sets the number of batteries to have on hand.

dadiOH posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP



As a matter of slightly more than idle curiosity, why do you need 47 (forty
seven) batteries?

He has a high draw butt plug with no off switch
and a special pouch in the majik undies.

--
Tekkie

I keep telling you it's not a butt plug.
It's a brain stimulator, so I can get
important messages from the mother wheel
that is orbiting the planet.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about brain stimulators
www.mother-wheel-receiver.org
..

On 9/5/2013 9:57 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
dadiOH posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP



As a matter of slightly more than idle curiosity, why do you need 47 (forty
seven) batteries?

He has a high draw butt plug with no off switch
and a special pouch in the majik undies.

On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 03:35:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Ideally, I'd like to have "just enough" batteries
to meet my needs for the week, or month. Some
part of my view of the world is that things are
about to shut down. So, I like to have extra this
or that on hand.

We have Dollar Tree, up nawth. They have four AA
or AAA alkalines in package, which is a good price.
As to C and D size, packs of three, carbon zincs.

Alkalines have a shelf life of around two years. I buy them by the
hundred ($.20 each). Other than heat, the biggest killer of alkalines
is leaving them in the appliance discharged.

So, what do you do with hundreds of AA cells?

I invested in some NiMH which I use for
mini mag light, and digital camera.

Does your device refuse the lower voltages?

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
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On 9/6/2013 2:14 PM, wrote:

Alkalines have a shelf life of around two years. I buy them by the
hundred ($.20 each). Other than heat, the biggest killer of alkalines
is leaving them in the appliance discharged.

On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:14:09 -0400, wrote:

Alkalines have a shelf life of around two years. I buy them by the
hundred ($.20 each). Other than heat, the biggest killer of alkalines
is leaving them in the appliance discharged.

I bought some Duracell Coppertops about three months ago.

The 9V package says guaranteed 5 years and the battery itself says
2017 on it.

The AA package says guaranteed 10 years and the battery itself says
2022 on it.

On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:39:36 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

So, what do you do with hundreds of AA cells?

Flashlights, battery backup for clock radios. Almost everything seems
to use AAs. Some of my flashlights are AAA (remote controls use a lot
of these). A 100 pack lasts us about a year.

I invested in some NiMH which I use for
mini mag light, and digital camera.

They're always dead when I need them. Alkalines are cheap enough that
I don't bother, much, with rechargables. The rechargeables I use are
almost all LiIon. I do have AA NiCds in a couple of computer mice.
They get charged constantly (recharge cradle) which isn't really good
for NiCds but I've had them for almost 10 years and have had to
replace the AA NiCds once (one each mouse).

Does your device refuse the lower voltages?

Can't be bothered. I find that primary batteries are better in
flashlights and such.

On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 18:46:00 -0700, Winston_Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:14:09 -0400, wrote:

Alkalines have a shelf life of around two years. I buy them by the
hundred ($.20 each). Other than heat, the biggest killer of alkalines
is leaving them in the appliance discharged.

I bought some Duracell Coppertops about three months ago.

The 9V package says guaranteed 5 years and the battery itself says
2017 on it.

The AA package says guaranteed 10 years and the battery itself says
2022 on it.

Yeah, that's what they say. I may believe it with the premium quality
batteries but not with the cheap Chinese stuff. They're cheap enough
to toss. Leaks aren't worth risking.