Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

Does he "hate" america?

Will you label him as a "hater", or more absurdly - will you say he is
somehow jealous (of what I can't possibly imagine) because he makes
these critical comments and observations?

Will it be somehow different if you hear this from a fellow citizen? Or
will you stick your head in the sand like you always do when you hear it
from me?

============================

America The Fallen: 24 Signs That Our Once Proud Cities Are Turning Into
Poverty-Stricken Hellholes

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...cken-hellholes

Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

What is happening to you America? Once upon a time, the United States
was a place where free enterprise thrived and the greatest cities that
the world had ever seen sprouted up from coast to coast. Good jobs were
plentiful and a manufacturing boom helped fuel the rise of the largest
and most vibrant middle class in the history of the planet. Cities such
as Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Philadelphia and Baltimore
were all teeming with economic activity and the rest of the globe looked
on our economic miracle with a mixture of wonder and envy. But now look
at us. Our once proud cities are being transformed into
poverty-stricken hellholes.

Did you know that the city of Detroit once actually had the highest
per-capita income in the United States? Looking at Detroit today, it is
hard to imagine that it was once one of the most prosperous cities in
the world. In fact, as you will read about later in this article,
tourists now travel to Detroit from all over the globe just to see the
ruins of Detroit. Sadly, the exact same thing that is happening to
Detroit is happening to cities all over America. Detroit is just ahead
of the curve.

We are in the midst of a long-term economic collapse that is eating away
at us like cancer, and things are going to get a lot worse than this.
So if you still live in a prosperous area of the country, don't laugh at
what is happening to others. What is happening to them will be coming
to your area soon enough.

The following are 24 signs that our once proud cities are turning into
poverty-stricken hellholes...

#1 According to the New York Times, there are now approximately 70,000
abandoned buildings in Detroit.

#2 At this point, approximately one-third of Detroit's 140 square miles
is either vacant or derelict.

#3 Back during the housing bubble, an acre of land in downtown Phoenix,
Arizona sold for about $90 a square foot. Today, an acre in downtown
Phoenix sells for about $9 a square foot.

#4 The city of Chicago is so strapped for cash that it is planning to
close 54 public schools. It is being estimated that Chicago schools
will run a budget deficit of about a billion dollars in 2013.

#5 The city of Baltimore is already facing unfunded liabilities of more
than 3.2 billion dollars, but the city government continues to pile up
more debt as if it was going out of style.

#6 Today, the murder rate in East St. Louis is 17 times higher than the
national average.

#7 According to USA Today, the "share of jobs located in or near a
downtown declined in 91 of the nation's 100 largest metropolitan areas"
between 2000 and 2010.

#8 Between December 2000 and December 2010, 48 percent of the
manufacturing jobs in the state of Michigan were lost.

#9 There are more than 85,000 streetlights in Detroit, but thieves have
stripped so much copper wiring out of the lights that more than half of
them are not working.

#10 The unemployment rate in El Centro, California is 24.2 percent, and
the unemployment rate in Yuma, Arizona is an astounding 25.6 percent.

#11 It has been estimated that there are more than 1,000 homeless people
living in the massive network of flood tunnels under the city of Las
Vegas.

#12 Violent crime in the city of Oakland increased by 23 percent during
2012.

#13 If you can believe it, more than 11,000 homes, cars and businesses
were burglarized in Oakland during 2012. That breaks down to
approximately 33 burglaries a day.

#14 As I have written about previously, there are only about 200 police
officers assigned to Chicago's Gang Enforcement Unit to handle the
estimated 100,000 gang members living in the city.

#15 The number of murders in Chicago last year was roughly equivalent to
the number of murders in the entire country of Japan during 2012.

#16 The murder rate in Flint, Michigan is higher than the murder rate in
Baghdad.

#17 If New Orleans was considered to be a separate nation, it would have
the 2nd highest murder rate on the entire planet.

#18 According to the Justice Department’s National Drug Intelligence
Center, Mexican drug cartels were actively operating in 50 different
U.S. cities in 2006. By 2010, that number had skyrocketed to 1,286.

#19 Back in 2007, the number of New York City residents on food stamps
was about 1 million. It is now being projected that the number of New
York City residents on food stamps will pass the 2 million mark this
summer.

#20 The number of homeless people sleeping in the homeless shelters of
New York City has increased by a whopping 19 percent over the past year.

#21 As I noted yesterday, approximately one out of every three children
in the United States currently lives in a home without a father.

#22 In Miami, 45 percent of the children are living in poverty.

#23 In Cleveland, more than 50 percent of the children are living in
poverty.

#24 According to a recently released report, 60 percent of all children
in the city of Detroit are living in poverty.

As I mentioned at the top of this article, the decline of the city of
Detroit has become so famous that it has actually become a tourist
attraction. The following is a short excerpt from an article in the New
York Times...

But in Detroit, the tours go on, in an unofficial capacity. One
afternoon at the ruins of the 3.5-million-square-foot Packard Plant, I
ran into a family from Paris. The daughter said she read about the
building in Lonely Planet; her father had a camcorder hanging around his
neck. Another time, while conducting my own tour for a guest, a group of
German college students drove up. When queried as to the appeal of
Detroit, one of them gleefully exclaimed, “I came to see the end of the
world!”

For much more on the shocking decline of one of America's greatest
cities, please see my previous article entitled "Bankrupt, Decaying And
Nearly Dead: 24 Facts About The City Of Detroit That Will Shock You".

So are there any areas of the country that are still thriving?

Well, yes, there are a few. In particular, those areas that are sitting
on top of energy resources tend to be doing quite well for now.

One example is Texas. In recent years people have been absolutely
flocking to the state. There are lots of energy jobs, the cost of
living is low and there is no state income tax.

But overall, things are really tough out there. Over the past decade
America has lost millions of good jobs to offshoring, advancements in
technology and a declining economy.

Last year, the United States had a trade deficit with the rest of the
world of more than half a trillion dollars. Overall, the U.S. has run a
trade deficit with the rest of the world of more than 8 trillion dollars
since 1975.

All of that money could have gone to U.S. businesses and U.S. workers.
In turn, taxes would have been paid on all of that income which could
have helped keep our cities great.

But instead, our politicians have stood idly by as we have lost tens of
thousands of businesses and millions of jobs. If you can believe it,
more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities have closed down permanently
in the United States since 2001.

We have allowed our economic infrastructure to be absolutely gutted, and
so we should not be surprised that our once proud cities are turning
into poverty-stricken hellholes.

And this is just the beginning. The next wave of the economic collapse
is rapidly approaching, and when it strikes unemployment in this country
will eventually rise to a level that is more than double what it is now.

When that happens, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near our rotting,
decaying cities.

"Tyler Durden" wrote in message ...
Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

Does he "hate" america?

Will you label him as a "hater", or more absurdly - will you say he is
somehow jealous (of what I can't possibly imagine) because he makes
these critical comments and observations?

Will it be somehow different if you hear this from a fellow citizen? Or
will you stick your head in the sand like you always do when you hear it
from me?


The most common thing among the great majority of the cities mentionnned is
that all have been long-standing Democrat Strongholds, which have encouraged
grasshoppers to come and latch on to the government tit.

this should have at least been properly labeled "off topic"

On 4/24/13 8:05 PM, Tyler Durden wrote:
What is happening to you America?

One word answer:
Demographics.

John Albert wrote:

What is happening to you America?

One word answer:
Demographics.

You apparently can't say that around here without being called a racist.

On 25 Apr 2013 00:05:53 GMT, PeterD wrote:

Tyler Durden wrote in :

Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

You're retarded & a muslim (the same thing).

I think you need to read what "Attila Iskander" says below. You would
be well served to not show your stupidity speaking.

On Apr 24, 10:59*pm, Home Guy wrote:
John Albert wrote:
What is happening to you America?

One word answer:
Demographics.

You apparently can't say that around here without being called a racist.

The problem of course is that your childish BS is not
confined to demographics. You have a severe psychological
problem. It's called penis envy. You know that the USA is a great
country and you're obviously jealous. Consequently you spend most
of your time looking for anything you can find that's wrong with
America. At the same time, you ignore anything that's similarly wrong
in your
own country, Canada. As an example, you've claimed that terrorism
is just a US problem. Yet, just the other day, Canadian police
arrested
two Canadian Muslim terrorists well along on their plan to blow up
trains
in Canada. When that happens here, you'd try to use it as an
example
of how bad the USA is. It happens in Canada and apparently it's
peachy keen.

If folks here wanted to attack Canada, we could come up with
links to show that Canada has cities with similar problems. How
about this article on the worst places to live in Canada:

http://www.moneysense.ca/2011/03/15/...-live-and-why/

But we don't need to do that, because we like most Canadians,
provided they are not scum bags like you....

I'd have said failed liberal / socialisst policies. And
excess government spending.
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..
..
What is happening to you America?

One word answer:
Demographics.

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:05:03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:

Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

What does this have to do with "Home Repair"?

On 4/25/2013 5:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:05:03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:

Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

What does this have to do with "Home Repair"?


There are a lot of homes in need of repair in places like Chicago. ^_^

TDD

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:54:48 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:


What does this have to do with "Home Repair"?


There are a lot of homes in need of repair in places like Chicago. ^_^

TDD

True. Slum Lords will no maintain housing for tenants. The government
is one example in Chicago.

On 4/25/2013 11:52 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:54:48 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:


What does this have to do with "Home Repair"?


There are a lot of homes in need of repair in places like Chicago. ^_^

TDD

True. Slum Lords will no maintain housing for tenants. The government
is one example in Chicago.


Oren, I didn't know you were Scottish. ^_^

TDD

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:43:13 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"Tyler Durden" wrote in message ...
Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

Does he "hate" america?

Will you label him as a "hater", or more absurdly - will you say he is
somehow jealous (of what I can't possibly imagine) because he makes
these critical comments and observations?

Will it be somehow different if you hear this from a fellow citizen? Or
will you stick your head in the sand like you always do when you hear it
from me?


The most common thing among the great majority of the cities mentionnned is
that all have been long-standing Democrat Strongholds, which have encouraged
grasshoppers to come and latch on to the government tit.



And on a country wide level, the US has allowed cheap labor to compete
with US labor thru the elimination of tariffs on imports. That drives
an ineffective consumer throwaway economy and drives wages down to
third world levels. With wages at third world levels the US will
inevitably become a third world nation. Compounding that, the US
continues to allow millions of poor uneducated illegal's to flood the
country, also driving down wages with the same endpoint of turning the
US into a third world nation. Anyone pointing this out is called a
racist, as if its the reporters fault that most of the immigrants
happen to be Mexican because Mexico is on our southern border. No
other country in the world allows this.

On Apr 26, 3:36*am, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:43:13 -0500, "Attila Iskander"





wrote:
"Tyler Durden" wrote in ...
Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

Does he "hate" america?

Will you label him as a "hater", or more absurdly - will you say he is
somehow jealous (of what I can't possibly imagine) because he makes
these critical comments and observations?

Will it be somehow different if you hear this from a fellow citizen? *Or
will you stick your head in the sand like you always do when you hear it
from me?

The most common thing among the great majority of the cities mentionnned is
that all have been long-standing Democrat Strongholds, which have encouraged
grasshoppers to come and latch on to the government tit.

And on a country wide level, the US has allowed cheap labor to compete
with US labor thru the elimination of tariffs on imports. *That drives
an ineffective consumer throwaway economy and drives wages down to
third world levels. *With wages at third world levels the US will
inevitably become a third world nation.

Except of course that US wages are nowhere near "third world level".
And that you can't just look at one side of the equation. There is a
huge
benefit to consumers being able to buy goods that are less expensive.
If you reduced foreign competition and raised prices and someone has
to work 8 hours a week more to buy the same basket of goods, are
they better off or worse off?



*Compounding that, the US
continues to allow millions of poor uneducated illegal's to flood the
country, also driving down wages with the same endpoint of turning the
US into a third world nation. *Anyone pointing this out is called a
racist, as if its the reporters fault that most of the immigrants
happen to be Mexican because Mexico is on our southern border. *No
other country in the world allows this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem is that for the most part the jobs that those Mexicans
take for $8 an hour, very few Americans today would
want at even $16 hour. A friend of mine manages construction
of golf courses. He can't find US workers that want to be
general laborers. He was building one in Westchester county
and even tried to recruit in areas of NYC with high unemployment
and no one was interested. And the few you do find don't have the
work ethic like workers from Costa Rica or Mexico.

I agree that the loss of good, higher paying manufacturing jobs is
a real problem. But it's not a simple problem. The world has evolved
and countries that were once not even competitors are now competitive
and it's not being done solely on the labor cost differential.
You saw that happen first with Japan and Taiwan, then South Korea.
Today it's greatly expanded to China, India, etc. And while it's a
problem, the US remains the worlds largest manufacturer. A lot
of those lost jobs here are not due to foreign competition, but to
advances
in manufacturing technology where we can produce more with less
labor.

wrote:

Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

What does this have to do with "Home Repair"?

Your american home is in dire need of repair.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:52:13 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Apr 26, 3:36*am, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:43:13 -0500, "Attila Iskander"





wrote:
"Tyler Durden" wrote in ...
Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

Does he "hate" america?

Will you label him as a "hater", or more absurdly - will you say he is
somehow jealous (of what I can't possibly imagine) because he makes
these critical comments and observations?

Will it be somehow different if you hear this from a fellow citizen? *Or
will you stick your head in the sand like you always do when you hear it
from me?

The most common thing among the great majority of the cities mentionnned is
that all have been long-standing Democrat Strongholds, which have encouraged
grasshoppers to come and latch on to the government tit.

And on a country wide level, the US has allowed cheap labor to compete
with US labor thru the elimination of tariffs on imports. *That drives
an ineffective consumer throwaway economy and drives wages down to
third world levels. *With wages at third world levels the US will
inevitably become a third world nation.

Except of course that US wages are nowhere near "third world level".
And that you can't just look at one side of the equation. There is a
huge
benefit to consumers being able to buy goods that are less expensive.
If you reduced foreign competition and raised prices and someone has
to work 8 hours a week more to buy the same basket of goods, are
they better off or worse off?


Average wages? No, of course they aren't.... yet. That was my point,
the net effect in the long term will be to make the US like the third
world nations our labor must compete with. Few things happen
overnight. We have already seen how many engineering firms send out
their design work to low cost countries. What does that do to the
jobs in the US for engineers? It lowers the wage point.

Which is better, being able to buy 3 microwaves, 2 of which you really
don't need, because they are cheap due to being imported, or only
being able to buy one but making enough money to actually pay for the
HOUSE that can't be imported?




*Compounding that, the US
continues to allow millions of poor uneducated illegal's to flood the
country, also driving down wages with the same endpoint of turning the
US into a third world nation. *Anyone pointing this out is called a
racist, as if its the reporters fault that most of the immigrants
happen to be Mexican because Mexico is on our southern border. *No
other country in the world allows this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem is that for the most part the jobs that those Mexicans
take for $8 an hour, very few Americans today would
want at even $16 hour. A friend of mine manages construction
of golf courses. He can't find US workers that want to be
general laborers. He was building one in Westchester county
and even tried to recruit in areas of NYC with high unemployment
and no one was interested. And the few you do find don't have the
work ethic like workers from Costa Rica or Mexico.


Of course they are not interested, they would have to give up their
welfare money. People do what's in their best interest.
Unfortunately, what's in the best interest of politicians is rarely
what's in the best interest of the citizens they no longer represent.

I agree that the loss of good, higher paying manufacturing jobs is
a real problem. But it's not a simple problem. The world has evolved
and countries that were once not even competitors are now competitive
and it's not being done solely on the labor cost differential.
You saw that happen first with Japan and Taiwan, then South Korea.
Today it's greatly expanded to China, India, etc. And while it's a
problem, the US remains the worlds largest manufacturer. A lot
of those lost jobs here are not due to foreign competition, but to
advances
in manufacturing technology where we can produce more with less
labor.

On Apr 26, 3:01*pm, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:52:13 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Apr 26, 3:36*am, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:43:13 -0500, "Attila Iskander"

wrote:
"Tyler Durden" wrote in ...
Look what a fellow american has written about your country.

Does he "hate" america?

Will you label him as a "hater", or more absurdly - will you say he is
somehow jealous (of what I can't possibly imagine) because he makes
these critical comments and observations?

Will it be somehow different if you hear this from a fellow citizen? *Or
will you stick your head in the sand like you always do when you hear it
from me?

The most common thing among the great majority of the cities mentionnned is
that all have been long-standing Democrat Strongholds, which have encouraged
grasshoppers to come and latch on to the government tit.

And on a country wide level, the US has allowed cheap labor to compete
with US labor thru the elimination of tariffs on imports. *That drives
an ineffective consumer throwaway economy and drives wages down to
third world levels. *With wages at third world levels the US will
inevitably become a third world nation.

Except of course that US wages are nowhere near "third world level".
And that you can't just look at one side of the equation. *There is a
huge
benefit to consumers being able to buy goods that are less expensive.
If you reduced foreign competition and raised prices and someone has
to work 8 hours a week more to buy the same basket of goods, are
they better off or worse off?

Average wages? *No, of course they aren't.... yet.

Not just average wages. Any US wages are not at third world
country levels. Good grief!


*That was my point,
the net effect in the long term will be to make the US like the third
world nations our labor must compete with.

The net effect of what? Foreign competition? We have always
had foreign competition. It's nothing new. It is getting more
intense,
but that's because countries like China have become more developed
and capable of supplying a lot more of products that we all use.

We don't have to, nor should we compete directly with third world
countries. Third world countries aren't the problem. China, for
example, isn't generally considered to be a third world country.
Haiti, Kenya, Columbia, those are third world countries. And if
low wages were the determining factor in economic success, then
places like Haiti and Kenya should be economic power houses.


*Few things happen
overnight. * We have already seen how many engineering firms send out
their design work to low cost countries. *What does that do to the
jobs in the US for engineers? *It lowers the wage point.

Oh please... High tech, high paying jobs are not a problem.
Starting salaries for even entry level engineers are excellent. There
are more engineering jobs here then ever before. Sure, some
companies are going to outsource some work for a variety of
reasons. But that comes with a free economy. And any solution,
ie govt intervention to *try* to stop it is going to just make it
worse, create even more problems, more govt involvement
in business, more rules, more govt BS.



Which is better, being able to buy 3 microwaves, 2 of which you really
don't need,

who says who "needs" what? Foreign goods have helped keep
costs down on a huge amount of products, for a lot of people. Foreign
competition prevents companies from offering sub-standard,
crap products. Or do you think it would be better for example
to have Detroit still selling the crap cars of the 70s and 80s
when Japan kicked their asses? The USA is still the largest
manufacturer in the world. A lot of the manufacturing jobs have
been lost to robots and similar advances as productivity has
increased. You can't go back to 1950.


because they are cheap due to being imported, or only
being able to buy one but making enough money to actually pay for the
HOUSE that can't be imported?



There are one hell of a lot of people living in expensive houses
all over. A lot better houses than we had 20, 30, 40 years ago.










*Compounding that, the US
continues to allow millions of poor uneducated illegal's to flood the
country, also driving down wages with the same endpoint of turning the
US into a third world nation. *Anyone pointing this out is called a
racist, as if its the reporters fault that most of the immigrants
happen to be Mexican because Mexico is on our southern border. *No
other country in the world allows this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem is that for the most part the jobs that those Mexicans
take for $8 an hour, very few Americans today would
want at even $16 hour. *A friend of mine manages construction
of golf courses. *He can't find US workers that want to be
general laborers. *He was building one in Westchester county
and even tried to recruit in areas of NYC with high unemployment
and no one was interested. * And the few you do find don't have the
work ethic like workers from Costa Rica or Mexico.

Of course they are not interested, they would have to give up their
welfare money. *People do what's in their best interest.
Unfortunately, what's in the best interest of politicians is rarely
what's in the best interest of the citizens they no longer represent.


So, you acknowledge that you couldn't fill the jobs Mexicans are
taking even if you pay $16 an hour, but you're still bitching about
foreign
competition taking these jobs away from Americans?





I agree that the loss of good, higher paying manufacturing jobs is
a real problem. *But it's not a simple problem. *The world has evolved
and countries that were once not even competitors are now competitive
and it's not being done solely on the labor cost differential.
You saw that happen first with Japan and Taiwan, then South Korea.
Today it's greatly expanded to China, India, etc. *And while it's a
problem, the US remains the worlds largest manufacturer. * A lot
of those lost jobs here are not due to foreign competition, but to
advances
in manufacturing technology where we can produce more with less
labor.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

wrote in message news:9d948bdc-2837-48a8-8582-

worse, create even more problems, more govt involvement in business,
more rules, more govt BS.

Yep. I'll bet the people killed in the West, Texas fertilizer explosion are
really glad Texas was so "hands off" with business and lax with regulations
and inspections. How did your oft-touted free market protect those
firefighters and workers from ending up dead? It didn't, nor can it.

Government always needs to be around as an honest broker between
corporations and people to insure that both sides (but mostly businesses) do
the right thing. The BP spill, the Exxon Valdez, TEPCO, Bhopal and so many
other disasters tell us that we can't rely on the free market when it comes
to potential damage to common resources.

If Bangladesh can arrest the factory owner who ignored safety warnings and
killed for profit then why can't Texas arrest the greedy industrialist who
leveled an entire town? Is Texas a lower rung on the ladder of civilization
than Bangladesh?

--
Bobby G.

On Apr 30, 11:48*pm, "Robert Green"
wrote:
wrote in message news:9d948bdc-2837-48a8-8582-
worse, create even more problems, more govt involvement in business,
more rules, more govt BS.


Yep. *I'll bet the people killed in the West, Texas fertilizer explosion are
really glad Texas was so "hands off" with business and lax with regulations
and inspections. *How did your oft-touted free market protect those
firefighters and workers from ending up dead? *It didn't, nor can it.

Government always needs to be around as an honest broker between
corporations and people to insure that both sides (but mostly businesses) do
the right thing. *The BP spill, the Exxon Valdez, TEPCO, Bhopal and so many
other disasters tell us that we can't rely on the free market when it comes
to potential damage to common resources.

If Bangladesh can arrest the factory owner who ignored safety warnings and
killed for profit then why can't Texas arrest the greedy industrialist who
leveled an entire town? *Is Texas a lower rung on the ladder of civilization
than Bangladesh?

--
Bobby G.

As usual, you're incapable of following a thread. I was discussing
the problems govt would create if it decided
to start a trade war and block out foreign competition.
Nice job creating a strawman.

As to answering your question about the differences
between Bangladesh and Texas, my understanding is
that in the case of the factory in Bangladesh, the
factory structure suddenly developed serious cracks.
I saw photos of them on TV, marked in black.
The factory owner/management knew about it. The
officials ordered the building evacuated and they
failed to do that. In the TX case, AFAIK, the investigation
into what caused the accident, what if anything was
violated in the law, etc has just begun.

I thought you libs were all for people being innocent
until proven guilty. Oh, wait, I remember. That only
applies to some gang bang murderer, the Boston
Bomber, or commie socialists. If it's a business owner,
then get the firing squad out.

In article ,
"Robert Green" wrote:

wrote in message news:9d948bdc-2837-48a8-8582-

worse, create even more problems, more govt involvement in business,
more rules, more govt BS.

Yep. I'll bet the people killed in the West, Texas fertilizer explosion are
really glad Texas was so "hands off" with business and lax with regulations
and inspections. How did your oft-touted free market protect those
firefighters and workers from ending up dead? It didn't, nor can it.

Actually the regulation of sale and storage of ammonia nitrate was
transferred solely to the Feds (specifically DHS) in 2008. How did your
oft-touted federal government protect those firefighters and workers
from ending up dead. It didn't, nor can it, especially if the person
involved actively lies to authorities.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

On May 1, 9:10*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
*"Robert Green" wrote:

wrote in message news:9d948bdc-2837-48a8-8582-

worse, create even more problems, more govt involvement in business,
more rules, more govt BS.

Yep. *I'll bet the people killed in the West, Texas fertilizer explosion are
really glad Texas was so "hands off" with business and lax with regulations
and inspections. *How did your oft-touted free market protect those
firefighters and workers from ending up dead? *It didn't, nor can it.

* Actually the regulation of sale and storage of ammonia nitrate was
transferred solely to the Feds (specifically DHS) in 2008. How did your
oft-touted federal government protect those firefighters and workers
from ending up dead. It didn't, nor can it, especially if the person
involved actively lies to authorities.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

He reminds me of Barney Frank. About a day after the
Boston bombing, good old Barney tried to turn that into
an attack on conservatives, saying something along the lines of "Those
that oppose big govt, no tax cut would
have helped what happened in Boston." Unbelievable
how the left tries to connect dots that don't exist.

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 23:48:14 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

wrote in message news:9d948bdc-2837-48a8-8582-

worse, create even more problems, more govt involvement in business,
more rules, more govt BS.

Yep. I'll bet the people killed in the West, Texas fertilizer explosion are
really glad Texas was so "hands off" with business and lax with regulations
and inspections. How did your oft-touted free market protect those
firefighters and workers from ending up dead? It didn't, nor can it.

Government always needs to be around as an honest broker between
corporations and people to insure that both sides (but mostly businesses) do
the right thing. The BP spill, the Exxon Valdez, TEPCO, Bhopal and so many
other disasters tell us that we can't rely on the free market when it comes
to potential damage to common resources.


How's 'at Big Government working out after Fast & Furious, Benghazi,
et. all...? Lord only know what the government will pay for a hammer!

The government has no business trying to run private business.