I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the floor
joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low ceiling
height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable living space.
There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open joists which are the
ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the open
joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of the joists
and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? That would be a lot
easier to do than drilling through the joists and running the wires through
the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

On 4/9/2013 8:30 PM, TomR wrote:
I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the
floor joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low
ceiling height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable
living space. There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open
joists which are the ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the
open joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of
the joists and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board?
That would be a lot easier to do than drilling through the joists and
running the wires through the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?
Usually you will already have a 2x4 running perpendicular to stiffen the
joists, which you can use as a running board, or if you need to, install
your own.

On 4/9/2013 8:30 PM, TomR wrote:
I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the
floor joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low
ceiling height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable
living space. There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open
joists which are the ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the
open joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of
the joists and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board?
That would be a lot easier to do than drilling through the joists and
running the wires through the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

Also, the Nec defines an attic as being "accessible", if it has
permanent stairs or ladders to access it. If you just have a scuttle
hole, it's not considered accessible, and you can staple the cables
perpendicular on top of the joists except for within six feet of the
scuttle hole

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:30:04 -0400, "TomR" wrote:

I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the
floor
joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low ceiling
height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable living space.
There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open joists which are the
ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the open
joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of the
joists
and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? That would be a
lot
easier to do than drilling through the joists and running the wires
through
the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

Right idea but you staple the wire to the side of the running board.
Then you are not walking/crawling on it and if you do put some decking
up there, it is not sitting on the wire.

OR if the destination of the wire allows it, run them on the underside of
the rafters so you won't tread on the cables if and when you have work to do
up there.

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:30:04 -0400, "TomR" wrote:

I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the floor
joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low ceiling
height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable living space.
There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open joists which are the
ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the open
joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of the joists
and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? That would be a lot
easier to do than drilling through the joists and running the wires through
the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

I've seen lots of houses here in AZ where they just lay the wire on
top of the joists, no nailing board. Just a few staples here and
there to hold the wire down.

On Apr 9, 9:42*pm, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:30:04 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the floor
joists of an attic. *The attic is accessible, but it has a low ceiling
height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable living space.
There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open joists which are the
ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the open
joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of the joists
and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? *That would be a lot
easier to do than drilling through the joists and running the wires through
the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

I've seen lots of houses here in AZ where they just lay the wire on
top of the joists, no nailing board. *Just a few staples here and
there to hold the wire down.

well if you EVER want to store stuff up there, your far better off to
run the wires thru the joists...

when this home was built in 1950 they ran the wires on top of the
joists and when 3 years ater i decided to add a floor it was a big
hassle

On 4/9/2013 9:33 PM, EXT wrote:

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:30:04 -0400, "TomR" wrote:

I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across
the floor
joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low ceiling
height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable living space.
There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open joists which
are the
ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the
open
joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of the
joists
and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? That would
be a lot
easier to do than drilling through the joists and running the wires
through
the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

Right idea but you staple the wire to the side of the running board.
Then you are not walking/crawling on it and if you do put some decking
up there, it is not sitting on the wire.

OR if the destination of the wire allows it, run them on the underside
of the rafters so you won't tread on the cables if and when you have
work to do up there.
The Nec still requires running boards if you are within 7 feet of the
floor joists

On 4/9/2013 9:49 PM, bob haller wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:42 pm, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:30:04 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the floor
joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low ceiling
height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable living space.
There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open joists which are the
ceiling joists for the rooms below.
Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the open
joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of the joists
and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? That would be a lot
easier to do than drilling through the joists and running the wires through
the drilled holes.
Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?
I've seen lots of houses here in AZ where they just lay the wire on
top of the joists, no nailing board. Just a few staples here and
there to hold the wire down.
well if you EVER want to store stuff up there, your far better off to
run the wires thru the joists...

when this home was built in 1950 they ran the wires on top of the
joists and when 3 years ater i decided to add a floor it was a big
hassle
I'm sure they did it to **** you off

On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:53:09 -0400, RBM wrote:

On 4/9/2013 9:49 PM, bob haller wrote:

when this home was built in 1950 they ran the wires on top of the
joists and when 3 years ater i decided to add a floor it was a big
hassle
I'm sure they did it to **** you off


The seller should have disclosed this fact to Bob.

ducking

On 4/9/2013 10:35 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:53:09 -0400, RBM wrote:

On 4/9/2013 9:49 PM, bob haller wrote:
when this home was built in 1950 they ran the wires on top of the
joists and when 3 years ater i decided to add a floor it was a big
hassle
I'm sure they did it to **** you off

The seller should have disclosed this fact to Bob.

ducking
Hard to believe it could have passed the home buyer inspection, and how
in the hell did he ever get home owner insurance with improperly run
wiring. What's this world coming to

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On 4/9/2013 8:30 PM, TomR wrote:
I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the
floor joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low
ceiling height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable living
space. There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open joists which
are the ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the open
joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of the
joists and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? That would
be a lot easier to do than drilling through the joists and running the
wires through the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

Also, the Nec defines an attic as being "accessible", if it has permanent
stairs or ladders to access it. If you just have a scuttle hole, it's not
considered accessible, and you can staple the cables perpendicular on top
of the joists except for within six feet of the scuttle hole.

Okay, thanks. That's good to know.

The access to this attic space has a strange type of access. There's a
small door in the back of a closet on the second floor, and behind that door
is the top of a stairway that runs up from the first floor to the second
floor. The were a couple of boards nailed across the sloped stairway
"ceiling"(?) joists to form a makeshift ladder effect, and I can climb up
those makeshift crossboards into the attic. I nailed better boards across
the stairway ceiling joists to make it easier to climb up and into the
attic. I guess that means it does have an existing makeshift ladder up into
the attic, and I guess that may make it "accessible" for NEC purposes.

I think I'll just use running boards anyway, and I'll also stay away from
the area within 6 feet of the access hole. That should cover me -- meaning
whether the attic is "accessible" or not.

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:30:04 -0400, "TomR" wrote:

I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the
floor
joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low ceiling
height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable living space.
There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open joists which are
the
ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the open
joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of the
joists
and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? That would be a
lot
easier to do than drilling through the joists and running the wires
through
the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

Right idea but you staple the wire to the side of the running board.
Then you are not walking/crawling on it and if you do put some decking
up there, it is not sitting on the wire.

OR if the destination of the wire allows it, run them on the underside of
the rafters so you won't tread on the cables if and when you have work to
do up there.

That's a possible option, and I'll keep that in mind depending on where the
circuits are running.

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On 4/9/2013 9:33 PM, EXT wrote:

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:30:04 -0400, "TomR" wrote:

I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the
floor
joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low ceiling
height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable living space.
There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open joists which are
the
ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the
open
joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of the
joists
and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? That would be a
lot
easier to do than drilling through the joists and running the wires
through
the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

Right idea but you staple the wire to the side of the running board.
Then you are not walking/crawling on it and if you do put some decking
up there, it is not sitting on the wire.

OR if the destination of the wire allows it, run them on the underside of
the rafters so you won't tread on the cables if and when you have work to
do up there.

The Nec still requires running boards if you are within 7 feet of the
floor joists.

That's good to know too. No part of the attic space is more than 7 feet
high, so I'll use running boards even if I run the wires across the rafters
above.

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On Apr 9, 9:42 pm, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:30:04 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across the
floor
joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a low ceiling

well if you EVER want to store stuff up there, your far better off to
run the wires thru the joists...

I'm sure that I will never want to make this into a storage area of any
kind. And, given the other options that are available (such as using
running boards), I am not going to do any drilling or running of wires
through the joists.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 01:56:29 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:49:05 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Apr 9, 9:42*pm, Ashton Crusher wrote:

well if you EVER want to store stuff up there, your far better off to
run the wires thru the joists...

when this home was built in 1950 they ran the wires on top of the
joists and when 3 years ater i decided to add a floor it was a big
hassle

If these are actually the bottom chord of a truss (2x4) DO NOT DRILL
THEM.


Agreed but if it's a truss, can't you run the wires thru the truss (or
should I say chords) with no drilling involved? That said, I doubt
they used trusses in 1950 home construction but I'll let the OP tell
us.

TomR wrote:
I need to add a couple of electrical circuits that will run across
the floor joists of an attic. The attic is accessible, but it has a
low ceiling height, so the attic is not (and never will be) a usable
living space. There is no floor in the attic space -- just the open
joists which are the ceiling joists for the rooms below.

Since the new circuits will be running across (perpendicular to) the
open joists, is it okay to just run a nailing board across the top of
the joists and staple the new wiring on top of the nailing board? That
would be a lot easier to do than drilling through the joists and
running the wires through the drilled holes.

Is the nailing board approach okay according to the NEC requirements?

Thanks everyone for all of the replies and suggestions. I just decided last
night that I am going to be doing this, and I am going to be starting the
work this morning. It was great to be able to post the question last night
and then wake up this morning and all of the answers that I needed are right
there waiting for me to read. This is an excellent Usenet group!

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 02:12:14 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:49:05 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

when this home was built in 1950 they ran the wires on top of the
joists and when 3 years ater i decided to add a floor it was a big
hassle

The trick for decking an attic with wires on top of the framing is to
add 1x2s purlins to space the deck up 3/4" and clear all of the wires.

I had to do this in my attic. It also gets you by that "6' from the
hole" problem.


If you have decent insulation up there you may even want to use
thicker stock so you are not crushing your insulation.
It would take 2X8s in my "attic".