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I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.

Are there better options. I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.
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I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.

Are there better options. I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.


My steel door is by Overhead Door. After 12 years, it is still in
perfect condition. Yes, aluminum may be better (and more expensive),
but this is working for me.

They have fiberglass also.
http://www.overheaddoor.com/Pages/products.aspx
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I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.


Nothing wrong with either. Wood will require a bit more maintenance.

Are there better options. I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.


Fiberglass overhead doors suck. They're translucent and very light
(easy to damage). Aluminum will cost an arm and a leg and probably
still not be strong enough. If I were buying a new door it would be
steel (probably with insulation and interior panels to quiet it some).
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I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. *Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. *I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. *So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water..

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. *They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.




Wood rots and steel rusts if water is allowed to get to it.
I have 30 year old garage doors and no rot here. You do
have to keep them painted and make sure water isn't
getting to them in ways in should not. Haven't done anything
special here and they are still in great shape.


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I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.




Wood rots and steel rusts if water is allowed to get to it.
I have 30 year old garage doors and no rot here. You do
have to keep them painted and make sure water isn't
getting to them in ways in should not. Haven't done anything
special here and they are still in great shape.


I have no idea how old my wooden garage door is but it's been here as long
as I have, going on 30 years. No rot whatsoever. I wouldn't be surprised if
it was original to the 55 YO house.

On the other hand, one of the rails that (used to) go down into the
concrete rusted out and there's a gap of about an inch between the slab and
the bottom of the rail. It's not a problem because it's secured to the
block just above the gap and since the bottom is no longer in contact with
anything, it stopped "receding" years ago. :-)
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I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.

Are there better options. I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.
I would NEVER recommend a fiberglass window, fiberglass door or fiberglass anything including a fiberglass garage door. The problem is that fiberglass isn't "tough" the way wood or PVC are in that the threads of a steel screw will cut a new path into it. With fiberglass, every time you take a screw out and put a new one in, that new screw's threads cut a new path through the fiberglass, breaking the glass fibers and causing the hole to enlarge. The result is that fiberglass doors and windows are a nightmare to maintain because the screw holes in them always get larger, and I don't expect a fiberglass garage door would be appreciably different.

Your best bet is still steel in my humble opinion. Millions of people have steel garage doors and they provide good service all across the continent. They're lighter than wood doors and generally never require any painting. While it's true that steel rusts, it's also true that the outside of the door is protected by paint and it seldom rains inside the garage. Bottom line is that your experience with a steel door probably won't be any different than anyone else's, and most people are happy with their steel garage doors. I know that both of my sisters are.
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On Mar 31, 3:49 pm, Notat Home wrote:
I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.




Wood rots and steel rusts if water is allowed to get to it.
I have 30 year old garage doors and no rot here. You do
have to keep them painted and make sure water isn't
getting to them in ways in should not. Haven't done anything
special here and they are still in great shape.


I have no idea how old my wooden garage door is but it's been here as long
as I have, going on 30 years. No rot whatsoever. I wouldn't be surprised if
it was original to the 55 YO house.


I replaced my 40+ y/o double wooden door last year.

The main problem was a gap on one side and they looked old.
There was no wood rot. I don't think the door warped to cause the gap.
It might have been 40 years of settling.

I mainly replaced them to upgrade the appearance.

My previous house, I had some +50 year old wood doors in perfect
condition.

I conclude that real wood will last a _really_ long time.

I had Jaeger Lumber install some steel clad doors.
They look great and don't make a huge noise when being opened.
Good enough for me.

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Fiberglass overhead doors suck. They're translucent and very light
(easy to damage). Aluminum will cost an arm and a leg and probably
still not be strong enough. If I were buying a new door it would be
steel (probably with insulation and interior panels to quiet it some).


There are two Raynor fiberglass OH doors here that are at least 40 yr of
age and are still just fine. They aren't particularly attractive,
granted, but it's a standalone garage on a farmstead so that doesn't
bother me much (as in any). And, the translucence is kinda a nice thing
from a light standpoint if there isn't sufficient other light.


My mother had one in her house, thirty years ago. What a PITA. It
was always breaking. Illumination in the daytime was fine but not so
nice the other way around at night. You could see shadows from
everything in the front half of the garage.

I'll pass. Steel is so much better.

OTOH, there are also fiberglass OH doors of the ilk of residential
exterior doors that are can be quite attractive and not at all
insubstantial (of course, the price isn't, either, but none of anything
that aren't just cheap are).


Fiberglass entry doors are nice. Overhead, not so much. Having had
every type of OH door, I far prefer steel, with (*real*) wood being a
close second. The only real problem with wood is its weight.
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On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:49:51 -0400, Notat Home wrote:

I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.

Are there better options. I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.

A fiberglass door - made like fiberglass entry doors, would be the
cat's MEOW


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Fiberglass overhead doors suck. *They're translucent and very light
(easy to damage). *Aluminum will cost an arm and a leg and probably
still not be strong enough. *If I were buying a new door it would be
steel (probably with insulation and interior panels to quiet it some).


There are two Raynor fiberglass OH doors here that are at least 40 yr of
age and are still just fine. *They aren't particularly attractive,
granted, but it's a standalone garage on a farmstead so that doesn't
bother me much (as in any). *And, the translucence is kinda a nice thing
from a light standpoint if there isn't sufficient other light.


My mother had one in her house, thirty years ago. *What a PITA. *It
was always breaking. *Illumination in the daytime was fine but not so
nice the other way around at night. *You could see shadows from
everything in the front half of the garage.

I'll pass. *Steel is so much better.



OTOH, there are also fiberglass OH doors of the ilk of residential
exterior doors that are can be quite attractive and not at all
insubstantial (of course, the price isn't, either, but none of anything
that aren't just cheap are).


Fiberglass entry doors are nice. *Overhead, not so much. Having had
every type of OH door, I far prefer steel, with (*real*) wood being a
close second. *The only real problem with wood is its weight.


How about a garage door "engineered with an artfully molded wood-grain
fiberglass surface concealing durable steel construction",
Polyurethane foamed-in-place-insulation, and "optional insulated glass
for improved thermal performance"?

No translucency issues because of the steel core, some light because
of the windows, energy efficient and "the warmth and beauty of wood
with less maintenance".

What more could you ask for? ;-)

http://www.wayne-dalton.com/resident...odel-9800.aspx



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I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. *Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. *I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. *So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

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On 3/31/2013 5:52 PM,
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Fiberglass overhead doors suck. They're translucent and very light
(easy to damage). Aluminum will cost an arm and a leg and probably
still not be strong enough. If I were buying a new door it would be
steel (probably with insulation and interior panels to quiet it some).


There are two Raynor fiberglass OH doors here that are at least 40 yr of
age and are still just fine. They aren't particularly attractive,
granted, but it's a standalone garage on a farmstead so that doesn't
bother me much (as in any). And, the translucence is kinda a nice thing
from a light standpoint if there isn't sufficient other light.


My mother had one in her house, thirty years ago. What a PITA. It
was always breaking. Illumination in the daytime was fine but not so
nice the other way around at night. You could see shadows from
everything in the front half of the garage.

I'll pass. Steel is so much better.

....

Well, these have been installed for 40+ and haven't broken yet (well,
other than the two panels dad replaced when he once started to back out
thinking had waited long enough for the opener but it didn't operate for
some reason.... ). The two replacement panels are nearly probably
over 20 by now; I don't know just what year it was he did that but had
been a while when we came back in '99...

I acknowledged they're not much to look at for an attached garage but
this is detached and so there's "nothing to see here, folks"...

Just commenting that afaiac they're perfectly adequate operationally for
an inexpensive solution--surely can't complain about the longevity.
Don't know what/why ones you're familiar with would have had problems
never having seen them, of course.

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On Apr 1, 12:43*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:49:51 -0400, Notat Home wrote:
I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. *Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. *I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. *So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.


The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. *They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.


Are there better options. *I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.


*A fiberglass door - made like fiberglass entry doors, would be the
cat's MEOW


If the garage door was made like an entry door, it wouldn't fit very
well. ;-)

Do I give you too much credit? I believe you are smart enough to know
what I meant.
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On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:49:51 -0400, Notat Home wrote:

I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.

Are there better options. I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.


My steel door is by Overhead Door. After 12 years, it is still in
perfect condition. Yes, aluminum may be better (and more expensive),
but this is working for me.

They have fiberglass also.
http://www.overheaddoor.com/Pages/products.aspx


I replaced my wooden door with steel too. It's about the same age as
yours and still looks as good as new with no corrosion.
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On Apr 1, 10:58*am, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 19:20:12 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 3/31/2013 5:52 PM, wrote:
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Fiberglass overhead doors suck. *They're translucent and very light
(easy to damage). *Aluminum will cost an arm and a leg and probably
still not be strong enough. *If I were buying a new door it would be
steel (probably with insulation and interior panels to quiet it some).


There are two Raynor fiberglass OH doors here that are at least 40 yr of
age and are still just fine. *They aren't particularly attractive,
granted, but it's a standalone garage on a farmstead so that doesn't
bother me much (as in any). *And, the translucence is kinda a nice thing
from a light standpoint if there isn't sufficient other light.


My mother had one in her house, thirty years ago. *What a PITA. *It
was always breaking. *Illumination in the daytime was fine but not so
nice the other way around at night. *You could see shadows from
everything in the front half of the garage.

I'll pass. *Steel is so much better.



OTOH, there are also fiberglass OH doors of the ilk of residential
exterior doors that are can be quite attractive and not at all
insubstantial (of course, the price isn't, either, but none of anything
that aren't just cheap are).


Fiberglass entry doors are nice. *Overhead, not so much. Having had
every type of OH door, I far prefer steel, with (*real*) wood being a
close second. *The only real problem with wood is its weight.


How about a garage door "engineered with an artfully molded wood-grain
fiberglass surface concealing durable steel construction",
Polyurethane foamed-in-place-insulation, and "optional insulated glass
for improved thermal performance"?


I call that a steel door. ;-)

No translucency issues because of the steel core, some light because
of the windows, energy efficient and "the warmth and beauty of wood
with less maintenance".

What more could you ask for? ;-)

http://www.wayne-dalton.com/resident...odel-9800.aspx


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On 4/1/2013 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 19:20:12 -0500, wrote:

On 3/31/2013 5:52 PM,
wrote:
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Fiberglass overhead doors suck. They're translucent and very light
(easy to damage). Aluminum will cost an arm and a leg and probably
still not be strong enough. If I were buying a new door it would be
steel (probably with insulation and interior panels to quiet it some).

There are two Raynor fiberglass OH doors here that are at least 40 yr of
age and are still just fine. They aren't particularly attractive,
granted, but it's a standalone garage on a farmstead so that doesn't
bother me much (as in any). And, the translucence is kinda a nice thing
from a light standpoint if there isn't sufficient other light.


My mother had one in her house, thirty years ago. What a PITA. It
was always breaking. Illumination in the daytime was fine but not so
nice the other way around at night. You could see shadows from
everything in the front half of the garage.

I'll pass. Steel is so much better.

...

Well, these have been installed for 40+ and haven't broken yet (well,
other than the two panels dad replaced when he once started to back out
thinking had waited long enough for the opener but it didn't operate for
some reason.... ). The two replacement panels are nearly probably
over 20 by now; I don't know just what year it was he did that but had
been a while when we came back in '99...


My mother's started breaking in the first few years. I was constantly
trying to put it back together. They're so light and flexible that
the banding at the top and bottom would snap, making it work more like
a piece of cooked linguini. PITA. Never again! Steel has all of the
nice properties of fiberglass and a lot of its own.

I acknowledged they're not much to look at for an attached garage but
this is detached and so there's "nothing to see here, folks"...

Just commenting that afaiac they're perfectly adequate operationally for
an inexpensive solution--surely can't complain about the longevity.
Don't know what/why ones you're familiar with would have had problems
never having seen them, of course.


Steel is no more expensive.
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On Apr 1, 12:43 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:49:51 -0400, Notat Home wrote:
I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.

Are there better options. I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.

A fiberglass door - made like fiberglass entry doors, would be the
cat's MEOW


If the garage door was made like an entry door, it wouldn't fit very
well. ;-)

Do I give you too much credit? I believe you are smart enough to know
what I meant.


Perhaps I give *you* too much credit. Did you really think I was being
serious?


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I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.

Are there better options. I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.


My attached garage has wooden doors that have lasted since 1984. I guess
the fact that I have an overhang over the doors has contributed to their
life.
Wooden doors insulate better than metal doors. Nothing ever freezes
inside the garage even when temps outside drop to single digits. If I
were to replace them for whatever reason they would be with wood again.
YMMV.

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we just replaced a 25yo wood overhead with Aluminum
from Costco, and new opener

it works much better than the wood did, but it was old

a little pricey, but it has small high windows now.
The new window light is terriffic

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Notat Home wrote:
I have an overhead garage door that is apparently made of a composite
skin over composite bracing. Although painted, it appears to soak up
rainwater and rot. I tried patching it with bondo, but that didn't
work. So now I'm looking for a replacement that is impervious to water.

The dealers around here have wood doors, and steel doors. They claim
the finish will protect them, but I'm not confident since wood rots and
steel corrodes.

Are there better options. I would think fiberglass or aluminum would be
better.


My attached garage has wooden doors that have lasted since 1984. I guess
the fact that I have an overhang over the doors has contributed to their
life.


Perhaps, though the degradation I've always noticed was on the bottom,
where they may have not been allowed to dry properly after rain.

Wooden doors insulate better than metal doors. Nothing ever freezes
inside the garage even when temps outside drop to single digits. If I
were to replace them for whatever reason they would be with wood again.
YMMV.


Wood? Insulate? Hardly. The R-value is about nil. A foam insulated
steel door would be *far* better. OTOH, I'm not convinced it matters
all that much because I don't believe a decent seal can be made and
maintained all around a door that size.

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