"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation...
One is by sword... The other is by debt."

John Adams
1826


So you numbnutz keep buying from China Harbor Freight!

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:34:47 -0400, Hecho en China
wrote:

"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation...
One is by sword... The other is by debt."

John Adams
1826


Chamberlain ordered a bayonet …Medal of Honor, given.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Chamberlain

So you numbnutz keep buying from China Harbor Freight!

Does your computer have Taiwan parts, oh no...

Home Guy!

Brilliant insight there Johnny boy. You da man!!!

But just how does one go about getting the nation that one wants to conquer and enslave into debt?

Or is that just a matter of establishing a "one man = one vote" democracy in the nation so that during election campaigns, the candidate that promises to provide the most goodies to the largest number of people usually wins?

Or, had you had time to give that some thought?

On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 05:37:55 +0000, nestork
wrote:


John Adams in 1826 Wrote:
There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation...
One is by sword... The other is by debt.

Brilliant insight there Johnny boy. You da man!!!

But just how does one go about getting the nation that one wants to
conquer and enslave into debt?


How much do we owe China? Are your grandkids learning Mandarin?

On Mar 23, 1:37*am, nestork wrote:
John Adams in 1826 Wrote:

There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation...
One is by sword... The other is by debt.

Brilliant insight there Johnny boy. *You da man!!!

But just how does one go about getting the nation that one wants to
conquer and enslave into debt?

Or is that just a matter of establishing a "one man = one vote"
democracy in the nation so that during election campaigns, the candidate
that promises to provide the most goodies to the largest number of
people usually wins?

Or, had you had time to give that some thought?

--
nestork

A famous French political philosopher back in the 1700s
said that democracy cannot long endure, because soon
enough people will figure out that they can vote themselves
the treasury. And now it's happening here.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:59:46 -0400, wrote in
Re two ways to
conquer and enslave a nation:


A famous French political philosopher back in the 1700s
said that democracy cannot long endure, because soon
enough people will figure out that they can vote themselves
the treasury. And now it's happening here.

Do you mean this?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new
constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at
the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as
a permanent form of government."

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
treasury."

"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,
which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years"


There is some dispute that this is an actual quote

But no dispute as to the validity of the premise.

On 3/22/2013 10:18 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:34:47 -0400, Hecho en China
wrote:

"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation...
One is by sword... The other is by debt."

John Adams
1826


Chamberlain ordered a bayonet …Medal of Honor, given.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Chamberlain

So you numbnutz keep buying from China Harbor Freight!

Does your computer have Taiwan parts, oh no...

Home Guy!


Home roid again?

On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:38:11 -0400, Frank
wrote:

Does your computer have Taiwan parts, oh no...

Home Guy!


Home roid again?

He took the same classes as Sandroid and Billiyroid.

That saying that every dark clowd has a silver lining rings true here.

No one wants to live under the thumb of a tyranical dictator, but at least when you pay your taxes to a tyranical dictator, that dictator considers that income to be HIS money, and spends it as carefully as any of us would spend our own money.

That just doesn't work in a democracy where you have to promise to spend more than all of the other candidates to get elected. It's a fundamental flaw that the ancient Greeks seem to have overlooked.

What we need is a system where we democratically elect a tyranical dictator. That is, much the same system as we have now, but where once the elected candidate gets into office, he doesn't keep any of his election promises. Instead, he comes up with some story about not realizing how bad a financial mess the previous government had left the country in until he got into office and saw the books and blah blah blah blah blah...

...or, pretty much the same system as we have now.

nestork wrote:
'Jim[_46_ Wrote:
;3035047']Cinder block wall blackened from the coal. What is a good
cleaner that won't harm the wall?

I can't think of anything that would work on coal dust, other than a
vaccuum cleaner or heat from a heat gun to convert the coal into CO2.

Maybe try vaccuuming first, and see what that does.

Then, if you have an electric leaf blower, I'd try that next.

Then, I'd try heating the wall in a small area with a heat gun (or
propane torch) to coax the coal into becoming CO2.

And, ultimately, if nothing works well, you can buy a "block filler"
paint made specifically for painting concrete blocks. This is a thick
paint that fills the surface porosity of concrete blocks to make for a
smoother, more attractive surface.

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Bare block actually is a fair sound absorber. Filling in the holes makes
things a lot louder.

Greg

I'd have to disagree with you on that.

The correct answer is: "Bare block is a pretty good sound barrier. Filling in the holes with paint will make things only slightly quieter."

The reason why a concrete block wall is a good sound barrier is because it's heavy.

The MASS LAW of accoustics says that for every doubling of either the mass of a wall or the frequency of the sound waves hitting the wall, the sound pressure level on the other side of the wall is reduced by 6 decibels, or to roughly 1/4 it's previous value.

And, the Mass Law is intuitive when one considers how sound travels through walls. When a sound wave hit's a wall, it DOES NOT go through the walls. Instead, the wall moves slightly as a result of the sound wave hitting it, and it's that movement of the wall that re-creates another sound wave on the opposite side of the wall. It's that re-created sound wave you hear, not the original.

So, by doubling the mass of the wall, the result is that the wall moves LESS as a result of being hit by the sound wave, and that means that the sound wave it re-creates has a smaller amplitude, meaning it's quieter.

Also, the more massive a wall is, the greater it's inertia and the less quickly it can change it's direction of motion. So, by doubling the frequency of the sound wave hitting the wall, you reduce the wall's ability to re-create the sound wave because the inertia of the wall will prevent it from changing it's direction of movement fast enough.

Consequently, the Mass Law makes intuitive sense when you realize that sound waves bounce off walls rather than go through them.

Painting that concrete block wall with a block filler will increase the mass of the wall slightly, and that will make the wall a slightly better sound barrier, not a worse one.

Here, read this:
http://archive.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ib...anmission.html