A few days ago, I bought the first sanding disc for my high rpm Makita 4"
grinder that I had bought in ten years. Just don't do that much fine finish
work.

I have done hundreds of hours of using a grinder. I know the kick spots.
But I had it grinding in the 9 o/clock position of the wheel and KICK! Went
flying, and sliced the top of my left hand. Nice 2.5 inch incision, half
deep, half just along the fat line, and not down into the meat. Nice little
white things in there looking like cotton line, but didn't cut any. Lots of
flowing blood, as I am on coumadin.

Wrapped a compressed bandage on it from my huge first aid kit, and went and
got nine stitches.

Came home and continued working.

Same damn thing happens again, only this time, I have hold of the grinder
near the back end, and not choked up, as the first time. I had thought of
this during the time I was getting all poked with Novocain and sutures.
Grinder went flying through the air, missing everything except the
workpiece, table, and floor. Contacted no organic material that time.
Still caused by the 9 o'clock point of contact. Think I learned something,
even if it is to use air to finish sand instead of 14k rpm grinders.

Crap, that would have been a difficult thing to explain to SWMBO.

Anyway, watch the kick points on your grinding and sanding blades.

Damn, those things happen in a hurry.

Doctor said that if he had to draw a line on the back of my hand for
surgery, it would be right along where I had opened it up. Missed
everything but skin, fat, and a little meat. Probably feel better when it
quits hurting, too. Stitches for ten days, that's the aggravating part.

It's always something.

Steve

"Steve B" wrote in
:

A few days ago, I bought the first sanding disc for my high rpm Makita
4" grinder that I had bought in ten years. Just don't do that much
fine finish work.

I have done hundreds of hours of using a grinder. I know the kick
spots. But I had it grinding in the 9 o/clock position of the wheel
and KICK! Went flying, and sliced the top of my left hand. Nice 2.5
inch incision, half deep, half just along the fat line, and not down
into the meat. Nice little white things in there looking like cotton
line, but didn't cut any. Lots of flowing blood, as I am on coumadin.

Wrapped a compressed bandage on it from my huge first aid kit, and
went and got nine stitches.

Came home and continued working.

Same damn thing happens again, only this time, I have hold of the
grinder near the back end, and not choked up, as the first time. I
had thought of this during the time I was getting all poked with
Novocain and sutures. Grinder went flying through the air, missing
everything except the workpiece, table, and floor. Contacted no
organic material that time. Still caused by the 9 o'clock point of
contact. Think I learned something, even if it is to use air to
finish sand instead of 14k rpm grinders.

Crap, that would have been a difficult thing to explain to SWMBO.

Anyway, watch the kick points on your grinding and sanding blades.

Damn, those things happen in a hurry.

Doctor said that if he had to draw a line on the back of my hand for
surgery, it would be right along where I had opened it up. Missed
everything but skin, fat, and a little meat. Probably feel better
when it quits hurting, too. Stitches for ten days, that's the
aggravating part.

It's always something.

Steve

Glad you got lucky and avoided permanent damage. However the fact you
got two kickbacks in a row with total loss of control shows you have
dangerous work habits.

Were you using a two hand grip with a side handle?

Did you have a guard fitted?

Light grinding with a disk edge doesn't need the side handle, but any
procedure with a large contact surface such as deep cutting or sanding
risks torquing the grinder out of your hands.

Do us a big favour and *NEVER* buy a wood carving blade for your grinder
.. . . . ;-)

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:12:54 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

A few days ago, I bought the first sanding disc for my high rpm Makita 4"
grinder that I had bought in ten years. Just don't do that much fine finish
work.

I have done hundreds of hours of using a grinder. I know the kick spots.
But I had it grinding in the 9 o/clock position of the wheel and KICK! Went
flying, and sliced the top of my left hand. Nice 2.5 inch incision, half
deep, half just along the fat line, and not down into the meat. Nice little
white things in there looking like cotton line, but didn't cut any. Lots of
flowing blood, as I am on coumadin.

Wrapped a compressed bandage on it from my huge first aid kit, and went and
got nine stitches.

Came home and continued working.

Same damn thing happens again, only this time, I have hold of the grinder
near the back end, and not choked up, as the first time. I had thought of
this during the time I was getting all poked with Novocain and sutures.
Grinder went flying through the air, missing everything except the
workpiece, table, and floor. Contacted no organic material that time.
Still caused by the 9 o'clock point of contact. Think I learned something,
even if it is to use air to finish sand instead of 14k rpm grinders.

Crap, that would have been a difficult thing to explain to SWMBO.

Anyway, watch the kick points on your grinding and sanding blades.

Damn, those things happen in a hurry.

Doctor said that if he had to draw a line on the back of my hand for
surgery, it would be right along where I had opened it up. Missed
everything but skin, fat, and a little meat. Probably feel better when it
quits hurting, too. Stitches for ten days, that's the aggravating part.

It's always something.

Steve

You didn't have a good hold on the grinder. If you did it wouldn't
have got you on the hand.... it would have taken a bite out of your
forearm :-)

Seriously though, I've discovered that a good pair of leather work
gloves is a lot stouter then human skin.
--
Cheers,
John B.

clipped

Damn, those things happen in a hurry.

Doctor said that if he had to draw a line on the back of my hand for
surgery, it would be right along where I had opened it up. Missed
everything but skin, fat, and a little meat. Probably feel better when it
quits hurting, too. Stitches for ten days, that's the aggravating part.

It's always something.

Steve



Shoot, glad you didn't do worse ( I was just thinking yesterday about
grinders and other power tools. Just bought a house, wondering what
needs (very little) or I want to be done...one ambition having a
basement workshop, building half-size furniture. Hmm, what power tools
would I need....table saw pretty scary, not ever used any power tools
that can amputate or kill. Retired nurse, mind wanders to all of the
things that can hurt/kill people unexpectedly. Friend's dad retired,
set up new workshop, cut off four fingers. Remembered story in Florida
paper 'bout fellow using a grinder, wheel broke, pieces flew and cut his
carotid artery. Get face shield (and a freaking chest protector?) if I
ever use power stuff? Might stick to needlework and gardening. The
house comes with a koi pond and six koi.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:12:54 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

I know the kick spots.

Apparently not...

But I had it grinding in the 9 o/clock position of the wheel and KICK! Went
flying, and sliced the top of my left hand. Nice 2.5 inch incision, half
deep, half just along the fat line, and not down into the meat. Nice little
white things in there looking like cotton line, but didn't cut any. Lots of
flowing blood, as I am on coumadin.

I've done hundreds of hours with side grinders with rubber pads and
flexible discs. They're fairly safe even one-handed without a guard so
long as you're careful not to ding the disc edge on a material edge.
If a material edge nicks the disc edge then you tend to get a moderate
kick. If you're dumb enough to try for round two with the existing
nick then expect a really nasty kick next time that nick gets near an
material edge. If you're doing stuff like this while on rat poison
then I hope you're not expecting taxpayers to pick up the cost of the
emergency room visits. But I'm guessing you care even less about that
part than proving you're a careless amateur.

On 10/30/2012 7:36 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:12:54 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

A few days ago, I bought the first sanding disc for my high rpm Makita 4"
grinder that I had bought in ten years. Just don't do that much fine finish
work.

I have done hundreds of hours of using a grinder. I know the kick spots.
But I had it grinding in the 9 o/clock position of the wheel and KICK! Went
flying, and sliced the top of my left hand. Nice 2.5 inch incision, half
deep, half just along the fat line, and not down into the meat. Nice little
white things in there looking like cotton line, but didn't cut any. Lots of
flowing blood, as I am on coumadin.

Wrapped a compressed bandage on it from my huge first aid kit, and went and
got nine stitches.

Came home and continued working.

Same damn thing happens again, only this time, I have hold of the grinder
near the back end, and not choked up, as the first time. I had thought of
this during the time I was getting all poked with Novocain and sutures.
Grinder went flying through the air, missing everything except the
workpiece, table, and floor. Contacted no organic material that time.
Still caused by the 9 o'clock point of contact. Think I learned something,
even if it is to use air to finish sand instead of 14k rpm grinders.

Crap, that would have been a difficult thing to explain to SWMBO.

Anyway, watch the kick points on your grinding and sanding blades.

Damn, those things happen in a hurry.

Doctor said that if he had to draw a line on the back of my hand for
surgery, it would be right along where I had opened it up. Missed
everything but skin, fat, and a little meat. Probably feel better when it
quits hurting, too. Stitches for ten days, that's the aggravating part.

It's always something.

Steve

You didn't have a good hold on the grinder. If you did it wouldn't
have got you on the hand.... it would have taken a bite out of your
forearm :-)

Seriously though, I've discovered that a good pair of leather work
gloves is a lot stouter then human skin.


I've got three pairs of Kevlar gloves which I use when doing something
where there is a chance of injury. Used them the other day to cut up a
deer. Keep one pair in with my chain saw.

Steve,

I bought the first sanding disc for my high rpm Makita 4" grinder
I have done hundreds of hours of using a grinder. I know the kick
spots. But I had it grinding in the 9 o/clock position of the wheel
and KICK! Went flying, and sliced the top of my left hand.
Came home and continued working.
Same damn thing happens again
Grinder went flying through the air
Think I learned something, even if it is to use air to
finish sand instead of 14k rpm grinders.

Sorry to hear about your accidents, and thankful you didn't get hurt worse.

All power tools carry a certain amount of risk. Heck, I've hurt myself with
a random orbit sander by accidentally sanding my knuckle, and even a drill
smacked my arm hard enough to bruise when I hit a knot with a 2" auger bit.
For that matter, I've hurt myself with handheld tools like handsaws and
chisels. In virtually every case I've looked back and thought "that was a
dumb thing to do".

The number one rule is to pay attention. I try to use all the guards and
safety features available for my tools, and keep my hands away from the
business end of the tools. Still, it only take a brief moment of
carelessness to do something stupid, even with years of experience.

As for the 4" grinder, I never use mine without a firm grip on the grinder
and my other hand firmly holding the auxiliary handle. I have had a couple
kicks over the years but with both hands holding on firmly there was no
harm to me, the tool, or the workpiece.

You will never eliminate risk with power tools, but you can greatly reduce
injuries by paying attention, thinking through each step, using the guards
and handles on your power tools, and practicing safe habits (no one handed
grinding... ).

Anthony Watson
Mountain Software
www.mountain-software.com

On 10/30/2012 06:30 AM, Frank wrote:

I've got three pairs of Kevlar gloves which I use when doing something
where there is a chance of injury. Used them the other day to cut up a
deer. Keep one pair in with my chain saw.

I first read that as using your chainsaw to process a deer. o.0

Jon

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:16:48 AM UTC-4, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Nonsense. Youre right. O care is nonsense to the nth degree.

Off topic, but you might want to remember it is Romney's health care plan word for word, with huge profits to big business especially the insurance industry. Ironic that the Republican plan was the only one the Democrats could get passed.

On topic, I don't believe the availability of health care causes any of us to do stupid stuff in the shop. We do stupid stuff either because we really didn't predict what could happen (a grinder will kick?) or because we knew and had a momentary lapse of attention. And it only takes that second of overconfidence to end up hurt.

Jon Danniken fired this volley in
:

I first read that as using your chainsaw to process a deer. o.0

Nah... we use those for Razorbacks.

Lloyd

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:12:54 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

A few days ago, I bought the first sanding disc for my high rpm Makita 4"
grinder that I had bought in ten years. Just don't do that much fine finish
work.

I have done hundreds of hours of using a grinder. I know the kick spots.
But I had it grinding in the 9 o/clock position of the wheel and KICK! Went
flying, and sliced the top of my left hand. Nice 2.5 inch incision, half
deep, half just along the fat line, and not down into the meat. Nice little
white things in there looking like cotton line, but didn't cut any. Lots of
flowing blood, as I am on coumadin.

Wrapped a compressed bandage on it from my huge first aid kit, and went and
got nine stitches.

Came home and continued working.

Same damn thing happens again,

You're not very smart.

On 10/30/2012 1:10 PM, TimR wrote:
On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:16:48 AM UTC-4, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Nonsense. Youre right. O care is nonsense to the nth degree.

Off topic, but you might want to remember it is Romney's health care plan word for word, with huge profits to big business especially the insurance industry. Ironic that the Republican plan was the only one the Democrats could get passed.

On topic, I don't believe the availability of health care causes any of us to do stupid stuff in the shop. We do stupid stuff either because we really didn't predict what could happen (a grinder will kick?) or because we knew and had a momentary lapse of attention. And it only takes that second of overconfidence to end up hurt.


There is a two-point-something tax on medical device sales that a lot of
folks are howling about....sensitive issue locally. Looking at the big
picture, healthcare in the US is the most expensive anywhere. Private
insurance, M'care, M'caid pay for layer upon layer of healthy profits,
so I'm thinking that part of ACA isn't so bad. When some people cannot
pay for their own care, it comes out of "our" pocket some way....they
delay care until conditions are worse and more complex, then show up at
the ER. So, you want the money coming out of funds paid by USERS of
healthcare, out of your pocket (the raise you would have gotten from
your employer), out of your taxes, or....just let the poor die? That
includes your spouse/parent/grandparent in nursing homes.

Pre-existing conditions are all that hold a lot of people in a job they
would leave but for the problem of getting coverage with a new
employer...might turn out good for biz.

The insurance industry hasn't kept up with the complexity of today's
healthcare, and all of the handicapped kids, chronically ill adults who
are alive because of immensely expensive procedures and equipment.

One new thing is requirement for docs (even my dentist) have go to
entirely electronic medical records....don't know whether it is state or
federal, but gov't. is paying for computer systems for docs. Once they
go electronic, then the bean counters can look at all the diagnostic and
procedure codes, codes for side effects of meds, complications of
surgery, etc., and figure out what works and what doesn't and start
cutting the crap. Just about everyone in my family has received ****ty
care on at least one occasion, and avoided ****ty care on others because
I'm an RN and recognize goofy when I see it. It may evolve to the point
that docs and dentists cease to enter the profession to become
millionaires and instead serve humanity. Could happen. I won't live
that long )

On 10/30/2012 1:09 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 10/30/2012 06:30 AM, Frank wrote:

I've got three pairs of Kevlar gloves which I use when doing something
where there is a chance of injury. Used them the other day to cut up a
deer. Keep one pair in with my chain saw.

I first read that as using your chainsaw to process a deer. o.0

Jon

Would have made a mess.
I did try a reciprocating saw once to make the quartering backbone cut
but that did not work. Used to use a wood saw but now have a bone saw.
Still a chore.

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:21:36 PM UTC-4, rlz wrote:
As I recall, "Before we use any power tools, let's take a moment to
talk about shop safety. Be sure to read, understand, and follow all
the safety rules that come with your power tools..."

The manual that came with my chain saw wanted me to wear:
A full face shield.
Boots.
Gloves.
A helmet.
Leather jacket and pants.

I live in Miami...

"Gunner" wrote


Someone who doesnt toss the side handle on a 4" grinder in the trash
on opening the box?

Fascinating!

Gunner, who has no side handles on any grinder smaller than 6" and no
grinders with guards still attached. And only (1) ding in 40 yrs of
grinding weldments.

They come with side handles?

Steve

Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:16:26 +0000 (UTC), HerHusband
wrote:

As for the 4" grinder, I never use mine without a firm grip on the grinder
and my other hand firmly holding the auxiliary handle. I have had a couple
kicks over the years but with both hands holding on firmly there was no
harm to me, the tool, or the workpiece.

Someone who doesnt toss the side handle on a 4" grinder in the trash
on opening the box?

Fascinating!

Gunner, who has no side handles on any grinder smaller than 6" and no
grinders with guards still attached. And only (1) ding in 40 yrs of
grinding weldments.



I use the handle on one of the 4" all the time. It's loaded with a wire
wheel that likes to grab.

Both of the polishes were them as well. One is a 3" and the other 9" On
them the handle lets me feel when they are flat on the surface.

--
Steve W.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:30:57 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 10/30/2012 7:36 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:12:54 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

A few days ago, I bought the first sanding disc for my high rpm Makita 4"
grinder that I had bought in ten years. Just don't do that much fine finish
work.

I have done hundreds of hours of using a grinder. I know the kick spots.
But I had it grinding in the 9 o/clock position of the wheel and KICK! Went
flying, and sliced the top of my left hand. Nice 2.5 inch incision, half
deep, half just along the fat line, and not down into the meat. Nice little
white things in there looking like cotton line, but didn't cut any. Lots of
flowing blood, as I am on coumadin.

Wrapped a compressed bandage on it from my huge first aid kit, and went and
got nine stitches.

Came home and continued working.

Same damn thing happens again, only this time, I have hold of the grinder
near the back end, and not choked up, as the first time. I had thought of
this during the time I was getting all poked with Novocain and sutures.
Grinder went flying through the air, missing everything except the
workpiece, table, and floor. Contacted no organic material that time.
Still caused by the 9 o'clock point of contact. Think I learned something,
even if it is to use air to finish sand instead of 14k rpm grinders.

Crap, that would have been a difficult thing to explain to SWMBO.

Anyway, watch the kick points on your grinding and sanding blades.

Damn, those things happen in a hurry.

Doctor said that if he had to draw a line on the back of my hand for
surgery, it would be right along where I had opened it up. Missed
everything but skin, fat, and a little meat. Probably feel better when it
quits hurting, too. Stitches for ten days, that's the aggravating part.

It's always something.

Steve

You didn't have a good hold on the grinder. If you did it wouldn't
have got you on the hand.... it would have taken a bite out of your
forearm :-)

Seriously though, I've discovered that a good pair of leather work
gloves is a lot stouter then human skin.


I've got three pairs of Kevlar gloves which I use when doing something
where there is a chance of injury. Used them the other day to cut up a
deer. Keep one pair in with my chain saw.

I thought that chain mail gloves were de rigueur for knife projects.
http://www.scobiesdirect.com/Product...oves+%2FAprons
--
Cheers,
John B.

wrote

This time it was your hand. Next time it will be your penis!
Either stop using power tools, or you'll be a woman real soon. (and
women dont use power tools).

After using them for over fifty years now, and having only a couple of
accidents. I will take your advise and put it under advisement. In the
back of my file cabinet.

Steve

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:12:54 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:

Same damn thing happens again, only this time, I have hold of the grinder
near the back end, and not choked up, as the first time. I had thought of
this during the time I was getting all poked with Novocain and sutures.
Grinder went flying through the air, missing everything except the
workpiece, table, and floor. Contacted no organic material that time.
Still caused by the 9 o'clock point of contact. Think I learned something,
even if it is to use air to finish sand instead of 14k rpm grinders.


This time it was your hand. Next time it will be your penis!
Either stop using power tools, or you'll be a woman real soon. (and
women dont use power tools).

We'd have to change his name to Stevette B?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

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news On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:12:54 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:


This time it was your hand. Next time it will be your penis!
Either stop using power tools, or you'll be a woman real soon. (and
women dont use power tools).

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:10:36 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:12:54 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:

Same damn thing happens again, only this time, I have hold of the grinder
near the back end, and not choked up, as the first time. I had thought of
this during the time I was getting all poked with Novocain and sutures.
Grinder went flying through the air, missing everything except the
workpiece, table, and floor. Contacted no organic material that time.
Still caused by the 9 o'clock point of contact. Think I learned something,
even if it is to use air to finish sand instead of 14k rpm grinders.


This time it was your hand. Next time it will be your penis!
Either stop using power tools, or you'll be a woman real soon. (and
women dont use power tools).

DUCK!! --
Nice shootin', Norminn.G

Jim

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:22:55 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 10/30/2012 1:09 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 10/30/2012 06:30 AM, Frank wrote:

I've got three pairs of Kevlar gloves which I use when doing something
where there is a chance of injury. Used them the other day to cut up a
deer. Keep one pair in with my chain saw.

I first read that as using your chainsaw to process a deer. o.0

Jon

Would have made a mess.
I did try a reciprocating saw once to make the quartering backbone cut
but that did not work. Used to use a wood saw but now have a bone saw.
Still a chore.

If you just want the ribs, we use a cleaned pruning shear. Quick and
easy.

Pete Keillor

I've got three pairs of Kevlar gloves which I use when doing something
where there is a chance of injury. Used them the other day to cut up a
deer. Keep one pair in with my chain saw.

I first read that as using your chainsaw to process a deer. o.0

Jon

Would have made a mess.
I did try a reciprocating saw once to make the quartering backbone cut
but that did not work. Used to use a wood saw but now have a bone saw.
Still a chore.

If you just want the ribs, we use a cleaned pruning shear. Quick and
easy.

Pete Keillor

The processor has a mondo PC hanging from the ceiling that cuts beef
carcasses cleanly in half. A big band saw, essentially.

Steve