How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

Doug wrote:
How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

Not IME. It is a room one enters - frequently via the back door - to remove
galoshes and the like so you don't track mud, snow, whatever into the house.
I am almost 79 and the phrase has been around as long as I can remember (and
I remember back to when I was two).

--

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____________________________

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On 7/2/2012 1:51 PM, dadiOH wrote:
Doug wrote:
How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

Not IME. It is a room one enters - frequently via the back door - to remove
galoshes and the like so you don't track mud, snow, whatever into the house.
I am almost 79 and the phrase has been around as long as I can remember (and
I remember back to when I was two).


I'm in Ontario and mud room usually refers to a back room, either near
garage, or from backyard, and mostly has a utility sink to clean up.

I've noticed a number of newer houses, esp in rural areas with larger
lots, incorporate a mud room/bathroom or mudroom/laundry combo beside
garage entrance.

but basically it's a small room near a back entrance so that you don't
run into the kitchen and muddy things up there.

Duesenberg wrote:
On 7/2/2012 1:51 PM, dadiOH wrote:
Doug wrote:
How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

Not IME. It is a room one enters - frequently via the back door - to remove
galoshes and the like so you don't track mud, snow, whatever into the house.
I am almost 79 and the phrase has been around as long as I can remember (and
I remember back to when I was two).


I'm in Ontario and mud room usually refers to a back room, either near
garage, or from backyard, and mostly has a utility sink to clean up.

I've noticed a number of newer houses, esp in rural areas with larger
lots, incorporate a mud room/bathroom or mudroom/laundry combo beside garage entrance.

but basically it's a small room near a back entrance so that you don't
run into the kitchen and muddy things up there.

It can also function as a weather lock, keeping wind out if there are two
doors. Good in cold climates.

Greg

On Jul 2, 1:41*pm, "Doug" wrote:
How long has this word(s) been around. *I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. * Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. * Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

Having grown up in NYC (Queens) I had never heard of the term "mud
room" until I moved to western NY in the early 80's.

However, there may be a reason I never heard of them: None of the
areas where I or any of my friends lived had the style of house where
a mud room could have been included. We lived in row houses, side-by-
side duplexes (not rentals, owner occupied on both sides), and of
course, apartment buildings. None of these styles were really set up
to have a mud room.

I do recall some houses having a small, enclosed back porch or the
like where shoes, baseball gloves and other assorted items piled up,
but we never referred to them as mud rooms.

Once I moved to western NY, my first memory of a mud room is of a room
between a "semi attached" garage and the main house where dirty shoes
and winter clothes could be removed. I later learned that they are
simply a separate room accessed via a side or back door, sometimes
doubling as a laundry room.

On 7/2/2012 1:33 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
....

Having grown up in NYC (Queens) I had never heard of the term "mud
room" until I moved to western NY in the early 80's.

However, there may be a reason I never heard of them:...

Of course there is...you couldn't have had any mud if you tried...

--

On Jul 2, 3:39*pm, dpb wrote:
On 7/2/2012 1:33 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
...

Having grown up in NYC (Queens) I had never heard of the term "mud
room" until I moved to western NY in the early 80's.

However, there may be a reason I never heard of them:...

Of course there is...you couldn't have had any mud if you tried...

--

I played softball in an grocery store league for a few years. The
games were played in a school yard with bases and baselines painted on
the black top. Sliding sucked.

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Jul 2, 1:41*pm, "Doug" wrote:
How long has this word(s) been around. *I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. * Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. * Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

Having grown up in NYC (Queens) I had never heard of the term "mud
room" until I moved to western NY in the early 80's.

However, there may be a reason I never heard of them: None of the
areas where I or any of my friends lived had the style of house where
a mud room could have been included. We lived in row houses, side-by-
side duplexes (not rentals, owner occupied on both sides), and of
course, apartment buildings. None of these styles were really set up
to have a mud room.

I do recall some houses having a small, enclosed back porch or the
like where shoes, baseball gloves and other assorted items piled up,
but we never referred to them as mud rooms.

Once I moved to western NY, my first memory of a mud room is of a room
between a "semi attached" garage and the main house where dirty shoes
and winter clothes could be removed. I later learned that they are
simply a separate room accessed via a side or back door, sometimes
doubling as a laundry room.


I also grew up somewhat in Queens ... Flushing to be more exact. You
basically described what I lived in then. I never lived upstate but
frequented maybe once a year to visit relatives in Utica tho I have
relatives in other parts of NY including western NY. Maybe that's
why I never heard of it just like yourself???? Well everyone is
educating me now. I now recall one of my aunts had a mud room on her
house in Utica tho it was converted into a small kitchen but otherwise
fits the description everyone so far described. I will read the
remaining posts in this thread now. Thanks !!

On Jul 3, 1:29*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On Jul 2, 1:41*pm, "Doug" wrote:
How long has this word(s) been around. *I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. * Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. * Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

Having grown up in NYC (Queens) I had never heard of the term "mud
room" until I moved to western NY in the early 80's.

However, there may be a reason I never heard of them: None of the
areas where I or any of my friends lived had the style of house where
a mud room could have been included. We lived in row houses, side-by-
side duplexes (not rentals, owner occupied on both sides), and of
course, apartment buildings. None of these styles were really set up
to have a mud room.

I do recall some houses having a small, enclosed back porch or the
like where shoes, baseball gloves and other assorted items piled up,
but we never referred to them as mud rooms.

Once I moved to western NY, my first memory of a mud room is of a room
between a "semi attached" garage and the main house where dirty shoes
and winter clothes could be removed. I later learned that they are
simply a separate room accessed via a side or back door, sometimes
doubling as a laundry room.

I also grew up somewhat in Queens ... Flushing to be more exact. * You
basically described what I lived in then. *I never lived upstate but
frequented maybe once a year to visit relatives in Utica tho I have
relatives in other parts of NY including western NY. * Maybe that's
why I never heard of it just like yourself???? * *Well everyone is
educating me now. * I now recall one of my aunts had a mud room on her
house in Utica tho it was converted into a small kitchen but otherwise
fits the description everyone so far described. *I will read the
remaining posts in this thread now. * *Thanks !!

Care to narrow it down even further? I too grew up in Flushing.

Spent lots of time playing football, frisbee and sledding on the
grounds of Queens College when there still a lot of green space.

If you look out of my old front window now there's a glass and steel
building instead of open field. Way, way back it was woods.

On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 00:38:09 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Jul 3, 1:29*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On Jul 2, 1:41*pm, "Doug" wrote:
How long has this word(s) been around. *I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. * Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. * Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

Having grown up in NYC (Queens) I had never heard of the term "mud
room" until I moved to western NY in the early 80's.

However, there may be a reason I never heard of them: None of the
areas where I or any of my friends lived had the style of house where
a mud room could have been included. We lived in row houses, side-by-
side duplexes (not rentals, owner occupied on both sides), and of
course, apartment buildings. None of these styles were really set up
to have a mud room.

I do recall some houses having a small, enclosed back porch or the
like where shoes, baseball gloves and other assorted items piled up,
but we never referred to them as mud rooms.

Once I moved to western NY, my first memory of a mud room is of a room
between a "semi attached" garage and the main house where dirty shoes
and winter clothes could be removed. I later learned that they are
simply a separate room accessed via a side or back door, sometimes
doubling as a laundry room.

I also grew up somewhat in Queens ... Flushing to be more exact. * You
basically described what I lived in then. *I never lived upstate but
frequented maybe once a year to visit relatives in Utica tho I have
relatives in other parts of NY including western NY. * Maybe that's
why I never heard of it just like yourself???? * *Well everyone is
educating me now. * I now recall one of my aunts had a mud room on her
house in Utica tho it was converted into a small kitchen but otherwise
fits the description everyone so far described. *I will read the
remaining posts in this thread now. * *Thanks !!

Care to narrow it down even further? I too grew up in Flushing.

Spent lots of time playing football, frisbee and sledding on the
grounds of Queens College when there still a lot of green space.

If you look out of my old front window now there's a glass and steel
building instead of open field. Way, way back it was woods.

I lived on Main Street and went to school at John Bowne HS. I used to
love it when the college students came over to protest and held up
traffic on Main Street in front of the High School.

Slightly off topic, a few years ago I was eating at a local restaurant
in Houston, Texas and the woman at the next table started to talk to
me. It turned out she and I both graduated from John Bowne HS the
same year. She started to ask me if I knew so and so and
unfortunately I didn't remember the names she threw at me.

On Jul 4, 1:34*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 00:38:09 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:29*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On Jul 2, 1:41*pm, "Doug" wrote:
How long has this word(s) been around. *I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. * Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. * Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

Having grown up in NYC (Queens) I had never heard of the term "mud
room" until I moved to western NY in the early 80's.

However, there may be a reason I never heard of them: None of the
areas where I or any of my friends lived had the style of house where
a mud room could have been included. We lived in row houses, side-by-
side duplexes (not rentals, owner occupied on both sides), and of
course, apartment buildings. None of these styles were really set up
to have a mud room.

I do recall some houses having a small, enclosed back porch or the
like where shoes, baseball gloves and other assorted items piled up,
but we never referred to them as mud rooms.

Once I moved to western NY, my first memory of a mud room is of a room
between a "semi attached" garage and the main house where dirty shoes
and winter clothes could be removed. I later learned that they are
simply a separate room accessed via a side or back door, sometimes
doubling as a laundry room.

I also grew up somewhat in Queens ... Flushing to be more exact. * You
basically described what I lived in then. *I never lived upstate but
frequented maybe once a year to visit relatives in Utica tho I have
relatives in other parts of NY including western NY. * Maybe that's
why I never heard of it just like yourself???? * *Well everyone is
educating me now. * I now recall one of my aunts had a mud room on her
house in Utica tho it was converted into a small kitchen but otherwise
fits the description everyone so far described. *I will read the
remaining posts in this thread now. * *Thanks !!

Care to narrow it down even further? I too grew up in Flushing.

Spent lots of time playing football, frisbee and sledding on the
grounds of Queens College when there still a lot of green space.

If you look out of my old front window now there's a glass and steel
building instead of open field. Way, way back it was woods.

I lived on Main Street and went to school at John Bowne HS. *I used to
love it when the college students came over to protest and held up
traffic on Main Street in front of the High School.

I lived on Reeves Ave. As you may recall, Bowne was on the corner of
Reeves and Main.

I went to PS 219 and JHS 218, but I went to Hillcrest HS in Jamaica. I
did it as a favor for my Dad.

He was President of Bowne's PTA when they announced that every one who
lived south of Jewel Ave had to go to Hillcrest when it opened. My dad
got a lot heat from the parents of the kids who were going to have to
Hillcrest, but there was nothing he could do about it. He asked me if
I would willing to go there to show that it wasn't such a bad thing
and I said yes.

I still hung out with all my friends who went to Bowne, but I got to
make a whole new set of friends too. When I had days off from
Hillcrest, I would sometimes go to class with my Bowne friends as a
'cousin' from out of town.

I still find it kind of cool that kids could go from kindergarten
through Graduate School all on that one big block.


Slightly off topic, a few years ago I was eating at a local restaurant
in Houston, Texas and the woman at the next table started to talk to
me. *It turned out she and I both graduated from John Bowne HS the
same year. *She started to ask me if I knew so and so and
unfortunately I didn't remember the names she threw at me.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:29:03 -0500, "Doug"
wrote in Re mud
rooms:

I also grew up somewhat in Queens ... Flushing to be more exact.

I grew up in Astoria. When I first started to drive in 1965 I had
1961 Sunbeam Alpine. The only place I could get "foreign car" parts
for it was a small parts store that was in Flushing. I seem to recall
that is was near where Norther Blvd crossed over the creek near
College Point Ave. I could be wrong about that. It's been a long
time.

I left NYC in 1969 and never went back, except for very brief family
visits.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 04:13:29 -0500, CRNG wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:29:03 -0500, "Doug"
wrote in Re mud
rooms:

I also grew up somewhat in Queens ... Flushing to be more exact.

I grew up in Astoria. When I first started to drive in 1965 I had
1961 Sunbeam Alpine. The only place I could get "foreign car" parts
for it was a small parts store that was in Flushing. I seem to recall
that is was near where Norther Blvd crossed over the creek near
College Point Ave. I could be wrong about that. It's been a long
time.

I left NYC in 1969 and never went back, except for very brief family
visits.

Well I moved from Flushing to Nassau County for a couple of years
before I moved to Texas. I left LI in late 1979. I use to take the
subway train thru Astoria on the way to Manhattan. I think it was the
IRT #7.

On Jul 4, 1:38*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 04:13:29 -0500, CRNG wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:29:03 -0500, "Doug"
wrote in Re mud
rooms:

I also grew up somewhat in Queens ... Flushing to be more exact.

I grew up in Astoria. *When I first started to drive in 1965 I had
1961 Sunbeam Alpine. *The only place I could get "foreign car" parts
for it was a small parts store that was in Flushing. *I seem to recall
that is was near where Norther Blvd crossed over the creek near
College Point Ave. *I could be wrong about that. *It's been a long
time.

I left NYC in 1969 and never went back, except for very brief family
visits.

Well I moved from Flushing to Nassau County for a couple of years
before I moved to Texas. * I left LI in late 1979. *I use to take the
subway train thru Astoria on the way to Manhattan. *I think it was the
IRT #7.

Yep...it was the 7 train that went from Flushing (Roosevelt Ave) to
Times Square in Manhattan.

2nd stop out of Flushing was Shea Stadium and Flushing Meadows Park.

I spent a few summers working in the park driving a "people mover"
train between the zoo, the stadium and the boat house.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:38:28 -0500, "Doug"
wrote in Re mud
rooms:

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 04:13:29 -0500, CRNG wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:29:03 -0500, "Doug"
wrote in Re mud
rooms:

I also grew up somewhat in Queens ... Flushing to be more exact.

I grew up in Astoria. When I first started to drive in 1965 I had
1961 Sunbeam Alpine. The only place I could get "foreign car" parts
for it was a small parts store that was in Flushing. I seem to recall
that is was near where Norther Blvd crossed over the creek near
College Point Ave. I could be wrong about that. It's been a long
time.

I left NYC in 1969 and never went back, except for very brief family
visits.

Well I moved from Flushing to Nassau County for a couple of years
before I moved to Texas. I left LI in late 1979. I use to take the
subway train thru Astoria on the way to Manhattan. I think it was the
IRT #7.

I don't think you actually went through Astoria on the way to
Manhattan. You probably are thinking of Queens Plaza at the edge of
Long Island City where you could have switch trains to take the
Manhattan train into the tunnel and under the East River. The upper
part of the Queens Plaza station overlooked Long Island City HS where
I went to school.

Man, you are bringing back a lot of memories.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:41:55 -0500, "Doug"
wrote:

How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?
Generally up here in the "great white north" the "mud room" is on
the "secondary" entrance, not the formal entrance - while the "foyer"
is at the formal or primary entrance.

More or less an off-shoot from the farm-house where when you came in
from the barn there was a room where you took off your "barn clothes"
before entering the kitchen.(after the days of the "woodshed" and
"summer kitchen")

And do you call the foyer the "foy yey" or the "foy- yerr"

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:05:54 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:41:55 -0500, "Doug"
wrote:

How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?
Generally up here in the "great white north" the "mud room" is on
the "secondary" entrance, not the formal entrance - while the "foyer"
is at the formal or primary entrance.

More or less an off-shoot from the farm-house where when you came in
from the barn there was a room where you took off your "barn clothes"
before entering the kitchen.(after the days of the "woodshed" and
"summer kitchen")

And do you call the foyer the "foy yey" or the "foy- yerr"


I pronounce it as the latter but don't ask me what Texans call it as I
never asked them. I do know that "pecan" is pronounced different
than what I pronounced it in NY and it's the only word that I actually
now pronounce as a Texan. In other words as long as I don't say that
word in NY, no one will ever know I moved away years ago from NYC /
LI. I've been told that I never lost my NYC accent tho it's funny
now .... when I listen to some NY'ers, I hear their accent whereas
when I lived there, that never happened.

On 7/2/2012 3:05 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:41:55 -0500, "Doug"
wrote:

How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?
Generally up here in the "great white north" the "mud room" is on
the "secondary" entrance, not the formal entrance - while the "foyer"
is at the formal or primary entrance.

More or less an off-shoot from the farm-house where when you came in
from the barn there was a room where you took off your "barn clothes"
before entering the kitchen.(after the days of the "woodshed" and
"summer kitchen")

And do you call the foyer the "foy yey" or the "foy- yerr"



Foyer, schmoyer! We called it the front hall....would have been a
little strange for a family of five in a two-bedroom apartment to get
snobby about that small space. Parents lived in same apartment for over
forty years, brother in same building for sixty.

"Doug" wrote in message
...
How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

I am very interested in this concept, and should I ever build another house,
it will have mud rooms at every entrance for multiple reasons.

A foyer, I guess, is any reception area. I think if one makes it into an
entire enclosed room intended for cleanliness, it becomes a "mud room". I
think whether hooked up to the HVAC system, or not, they would tremendously
affect the infiltration of outside air, and the loss of interior
heated/cooled air. Especially if any children are involved. A situation
where the two doors cannot be opened at the same time would be advisable.
They can be entirely shut off from the system with a simple vent damper, or
left to cool/heat with the rest of the system. Or just a simple electric
heater in the winter, or a fan in the summer would make them comfortable.

As for an area where outside contamination is attempted to be controlled,
they can't be beat. A place specifically for hats, coats, wet or muddy
attire, whatever. It just depends on your area, and how scungy you get when
you go out to do battle with the elements.

I understand in Siberia, a "mud room" is common to every house, as an
opening of any door can lose a huge amount of warm air in a few seconds.
They are an intentional barrier against arctic conditions, and have two
doors.

"Mud rooms" would not have to be muddy dreary areas, and with some basic
decorations, they could be a very nice welcome room. With some advanced
decoration, they could be a warm reception for anyone entering the house. I
think they would be fun to design and decorate when planning a house.

Steve

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 15:14:55 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:


"Doug" wrote in message
.. .
How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

I am very interested in this concept, and should I ever build another house,
it will have mud rooms at every entrance for multiple reasons.

A foyer, I guess, is any reception area. I think if one makes it into an
entire enclosed room intended for cleanliness, it becomes a "mud room". I
think whether hooked up to the HVAC system, or not, they would tremendously
affect the infiltration of outside air, and the loss of interior
heated/cooled air. Especially if any children are involved. A situation
where the two doors cannot be opened at the same time would be advisable.
They can be entirely shut off from the system with a simple vent damper, or
left to cool/heat with the rest of the system. Or just a simple electric
heater in the winter, or a fan in the summer would make them comfortable.

As for an area where outside contamination is attempted to be controlled,
they can't be beat. A place specifically for hats, coats, wet or muddy
attire, whatever. It just depends on your area, and how scungy you get when
you go out to do battle with the elements.

I understand in Siberia, a "mud room" is common to every house, as an
opening of any door can lose a huge amount of warm air in a few seconds.
They are an intentional barrier against arctic conditions, and have two
doors.


That is what you call an "air lock" - which IS one function of a
mud-room.

"Mud rooms" would not have to be muddy dreary areas, and with some basic
decorations, they could be a very nice welcome room. With some advanced
decoration, they could be a warm reception for anyone entering the house. I
think they would be fun to design and decorate when planning a house.

Steve

On Jul 2, 7:06*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 15:14:55 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:

"Doug" wrote in message
.. .
How long has this word(s) been around. *I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. * Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. * Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

I am very interested in this concept, and should I ever build another house,
it will have mud rooms at every entrance for multiple reasons.

A foyer, I guess, is any reception area. *I think if one makes it into an
entire enclosed room intended for cleanliness, it becomes a "mud room". *I
think whether hooked up to the HVAC system, or not, they would tremendously
affect the infiltration of outside air, and the loss of interior
heated/cooled air. *Especially if any children are involved. *A situation
where the two doors cannot be opened at the same time would be advisable..
They can be entirely shut off from the system with a simple vent damper, or
left to cool/heat with the rest of the system. * Or just a simple electric
heater in the winter, or a fan in the summer would make them comfortable..

As for an area where outside contamination is attempted to be controlled,
they can't be beat. *A place specifically for hats, coats, wet or muddy
attire, whatever. *It just depends on your area, and how scungy you get when
you go out to do battle with the elements.

I understand in Siberia, a "mud room" is common to every house, as an
opening of any door can lose a huge amount of warm air in a few seconds.
They are an intentional barrier against arctic conditions, and have two
doors.

That is what you call an "air lock" - which IS one function of a
mud-room.


Which *could be* one function of a mud room.

Not all mud rooms are designed to be air locks.

Here's lots of pictures of areas referred to as mud rooms that aren't
serving as air locks.

http://www.houzz.com/mudroom








"Mud rooms" would not have to be muddy dreary areas, and with some basic
decorations, they could be a very nice welcome room. *With some advanced
decoration, they could be a warm reception for anyone entering the house.. *I
think they would be fun to design and decorate when planning a house.

Steve

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:42:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Jul 2, 7:06Â*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 15:14:55 -0700, "Steve B" wrote:

"Doug" wrote in message
.. .
How long has this word(s) been around. Â*I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Â* Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Â* Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

I am very interested in this concept, and should I ever build another house,
it will have mud rooms at every entrance for multiple reasons.

A foyer, I guess, is any reception area. Â*I think if one makes it into an
entire enclosed room intended for cleanliness, it becomes a "mud room". Â*I
think whether hooked up to the HVAC system, or not, they would tremendously
affect the infiltration of outside air, and the loss of interior
heated/cooled air. Â*Especially if any children are involved. Â*A situation
where the two doors cannot be opened at the same time would be advisable.
They can be entirely shut off from the system with a simple vent damper, or
left to cool/heat with the rest of the system. Â* Or just a simple electric
heater in the winter, or a fan in the summer would make them comfortable.

As for an area where outside contamination is attempted to be controlled,
they can't be beat. Â*A place specifically for hats, coats, wet or muddy
attire, whatever. Â*It just depends on your area, and how scungy you get when
you go out to do battle with the elements.

I understand in Siberia, a "mud room" is common to every house, as an
opening of any door can lose a huge amount of warm air in a few seconds.
They are an intentional barrier against arctic conditions, and have two
doors.

That is what you call an "air lock" - which IS one function of a
mud-room.


Which *could be* one function of a mud room.

Not all mud rooms are designed to be air locks.

Here's lots of pictures of areas referred to as mud rooms that aren't
serving as air locks.

Steve
It is one function of a mud-room - whether a designer decides to
implement it or not is his problem. I didn't say ALL mud rooms are
air locks - but if it has a door on either end, making it a ROOM, not
a hallway, it can be used as an air-lock.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:06:43 -0400, clare wrote:
I understand in Siberia, a "mud room" is common to every house, as an
opening of any door can lose a huge amount of warm air in a few seconds.
They are an intentional barrier against arctic conditions, and have two
doors.

That is what you call an "air lock" - which IS one function of a
mud-room.

We call ours a "dog lock"; it stops the critters escaping when coming
into the house.

"Jules Richardson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:06:43 -0400, clare wrote:

We call ours a "dog lock"; it stops the critters escaping when coming
into the house.


Yep. We have "cat locks" on three of the four doors on our house. Needless
to say, we've NEVER used the fourth door in the 28 years we've lived here,
and probably never will!

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:41:55 -0500, "Doug"
wrote:

How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then. Is
a mud room similar to a foyer except it can be as a separate room?

If you'd have ventured up as far as the Catskills you'd have heard the
term since about the 50's.

In general terms- it was where you kicked your boots off. I've seen
them 4x4 & I've seen them 12x40. Might be heated space-- maybe
not. Could have a brushed concrete floor-- or imported Eye-talian
marble. . . .

Jim

"Doug" wrote in message
...

How long has this word(s) been around. I started watching some
construction on tv and they give me the impression that the northern
part of US (maybe Canada too) uses the term. Well I lived around
construction while in NYC , Long Island and some NY state for a number
of years (moved away in late 70's) and never heard the term then.

Real estate agents can answer you precisely. Mud rooms are more
common in rural and village architecture than in cities with paved
streets: and have been common for 150-odd years.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)