Was watching and old episode of ATOH the other day and Rich was with
an AC guy in Florida. They were installing AC in a garage. To make
the connections the guy just flared the pipe and tightened them down.

I know on cars brake lines will leak if you don't double-flare them.
Is the pressure in an AC system that much lower that a single-flare
won't leak?

On Feb 7, 8:19*am, Limp Arbor wrote:
Was watching and old episode of ATOH the other day and Rich was with
an AC guy in Florida. *They were installing AC in a garage. *To make
the connections the guy just flared the pipe and tightened them down.

I know on cars brake lines will leak if you don't double-flare them.
Is the pressure in an AC system that much lower that a single-flare
won't leak?

Probably. I'm not sure what typical AC pressures are in a residential
system but I am guessing somewhere in the hundreds of PSI range.
Automotive brake systems can run at 2500 PSI or even more during a
panic stop.

nate

Must be. I typically use silver solder, or silver braze. But, many
refrigeration systems I use, have flare fittings.

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"Limp Arbor" wrote in message
...
Was watching and old episode of ATOH the other day and Rich was with
an AC guy in Florida. They were installing AC in a garage. To make
the connections the guy just flared the pipe and tightened them down.

I know on cars brake lines will leak if you don't double-flare them.
Is the pressure in an AC system that much lower that a single-flare
won't leak?

On Feb 7, 5:53*am, N8N wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:19*am, Limp Arbor wrote:

Was watching and old episode of ATOH the other day and Rich was with
an AC guy in Florida. *They were installing AC in a garage. *To make
the connections the guy just flared the pipe and tightened them down.

I know on cars brake lines will leak if you don't double-flare them.
Is the pressure in an AC system that much lower that a single-flare
won't leak?

Probably. *I'm not sure what typical AC pressures are in a residential
system but I am guessing somewhere in the hundreds of PSI range.
Automotive brake systems can run at 2500 PSI or even more during a
panic stop.

nate

Yup

Brake line pressures: 1,000's of psi.
A/C pressures: 100's of psi

short answer: brake lines see ~10x the pressure of A/C lines.

cheers
Bob

cheers
Bob

On 2/7/2012 7:19 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
Was watching and old episode of ATOH the other day and Rich was with
an AC guy in Florida. They were installing AC in a garage. To make
the connections the guy just flared the pipe and tightened them down.

I know on cars brake lines will leak if you don't double-flare them.
Is the pressure in an AC system that much lower that a single-flare
won't leak?

Brake lines are steel or stainless steel and a lot less ductile than the
copper refrigeration tubing used for air conditioning systems. I'm
assuming the double flare is necessary because the harder material may
crack if a single flare is used and may not be as strong or suitable for
the higher pressures involved in high pressure systems of any type.

TDD

BINGO! Steel brake line will crack with a single flare, it's pretty hard stuff

On 2/7/2012 7:55 PM, wrote:
BINGO! Steel brake line will crack with a single flare, it's pretty hard stuff

It has to be to take the high pressures. I've seen the result of Billy
Bob the trailer mechanic trying to use copper tubing for a brake line. o_O

TDD

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:21:37 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/7/2012 7:55 PM, wrote:
BINGO! Steel brake line will crack with a single flare, it's pretty hard stuff

It has to be to take the high pressures. I've seen the result of Billy
Bob the trailer mechanic trying to use copper tubing for a brake line. o_O

TDD

While we're on this subject, the brake line on my mother's car broke
when I applied the brakes Just in front of the left rear tire On a
'58 Ford.

The mechanic told her that it had broken becaues she needed new brake
shoes. There is no truth to that, is there?

On 2/7/2012 11:20 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:21:37 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/7/2012 7:55 PM, wrote:
BINGO! Steel brake line will crack with a single flare, it's pretty hard stuff

It has to be to take the high pressures. I've seen the result of Billy
Bob the trailer mechanic trying to use copper tubing for a brake line. o_O

TDD

While we're on this subject, the brake line on my mother's car broke
when I applied the brakes Just in front of the left rear tire On a
'58 Ford.

The mechanic told her that it had broken becaues she needed new brake
shoes. There is no truth to that, is there?

uh, negative ghostrider.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

I don't see any connection. Unless the shoes were slick, not braking, and
you had to push harder on the pedal to make the car stop.

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"micky" wrote in message
...

While we're on this subject, the brake line on my mother's car broke
when I applied the brakes Just in front of the left rear tire On a
'58 Ford.

The mechanic told her that it had broken becaues she needed new brake
shoes. There is no truth to that, is there?

On 2/7/2012 11:20 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:21:37 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/7/2012 7:55 PM, wrote:
BINGO! Steel brake line will crack with a single flare, it's pretty hard stuff

It has to be to take the high pressures. I've seen the result of Billy
Bob the trailer mechanic trying to use copper tubing for a brake line. o_O

TDD

While we're on this subject, the brake line on my mother's car broke
when I applied the brakes Just in front of the left rear tire On a
'58 Ford.

The mechanic told her that it had broken becaues she needed new brake
shoes. There is no truth to that, is there?

I sort of doubt the line broke because the car needed new shoes. I had
the rubber brake line to the rear axle of a 63 Dodge break and I lost
all braking because the older car had a single master brake cylinder.
I was on an uphill lane when it happened so I lived. ^_^

TDD

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:12:41 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/7/2012 11:20 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:21:37 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/7/2012 7:55 PM, wrote:
BINGO! Steel brake line will crack with a single flare, it's pretty hard stuff

It has to be to take the high pressures. I've seen the result of Billy
Bob the trailer mechanic trying to use copper tubing for a brake line. o_O

TDD

While we're on this subject, the brake line on my mother's car broke
when I applied the brakes Just in front of the left rear tire On a
'58 Ford.

The mechanic told her that it had broken becaues she needed new brake
shoes. There is no truth to that, is there?

I sort of doubt the line broke because the car needed new shoes. I had
the rubber brake line to the rear axle of a 63 Dodge break and I lost
all braking because the older car had a single master brake cylinder.
I was on an uphill lane when it happened so I lived. ^_^

TDD

That's what I thought, and that's what I told her. Maybe the
"mechanic" wanted more work. She ended up selling the car anyhow.
It was 1965 and the car was a '58. She fixed the brake line but I
can't remember if she did the brake linings. We had no other car, so
we couldn't go look at it without asking for another, a third., ride.

Amazingly, I've had my brakes fail 6 times, I think it was, always
with single master cyclinder cars. When he went to Viet Nam, my
brother lent, then gave me his '65 Catalina, and the cap of the valve
at the brake booster popped off the morning after he lent me the car.
Several years later, I bought a '67 Catallina, and the next morning,
the same valve failed (I think this time the whole valve popped out of
its rubber grommet. And the flexible rubber line to one front wheel
failed once and I driove into an already falling down wooden fence,
held up by bushes, so I didn't do any damage. I think variations
of that happened two more times.

Then there was the case above** and evne though I've never gotten hurt
or hurt anyone, and barely any property damage total in these 6
failures, I'm glad cars have dual brakes now.

**where I hit the rear of the car in front of me, stopped to turn
left, but not very hard. I tried to back my car from his, forgot I
had not brakes, reached for the hand brake and opened the hood
instead.

On 2/8/2012 9:18 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:12:41 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/7/2012 11:20 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:21:37 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/7/2012 7:55 PM, wrote:
BINGO! Steel brake line will crack with a single flare, it's pretty hard stuff

It has to be to take the high pressures. I've seen the result of Billy
Bob the trailer mechanic trying to use copper tubing for a brake line. o_O

TDD

While we're on this subject, the brake line on my mother's car broke
when I applied the brakes Just in front of the left rear tire On a
'58 Ford.

The mechanic told her that it had broken becaues she needed new brake
shoes. There is no truth to that, is there?

I sort of doubt the line broke because the car needed new shoes. I had
the rubber brake line to the rear axle of a 63 Dodge break and I lost
all braking because the older car had a single master brake cylinder.
I was on an uphill lane when it happened so I lived. ^_^

TDD

That's what I thought, and that's what I told her. Maybe the
"mechanic" wanted more work. She ended up selling the car anyhow.
It was 1965 and the car was a '58. She fixed the brake line but I
can't remember if she did the brake linings. We had no other car, so
we couldn't go look at it without asking for another, a third., ride.

Amazingly, I've had my brakes fail 6 times, I think it was, always
with single master cyclinder cars. When he went to Viet Nam, my
brother lent, then gave me his '65 Catalina, and the cap of the valve
at the brake booster popped off the morning after he lent me the car.
Several years later, I bought a '67 Catallina, and the next morning,
the same valve failed (I think this time the whole valve popped out of
its rubber grommet. And the flexible rubber line to one front wheel
failed once and I driove into an already falling down wooden fence,
held up by bushes, so I didn't do any damage. I think variations
of that happened two more times.

Then there was the case above** and evne though I've never gotten hurt
or hurt anyone, and barely any property damage total in these 6
failures, I'm glad cars have dual brakes now.

**where I hit the rear of the car in front of me, stopped to turn
left, but not very hard. I tried to back my car from his, forgot I
had not brakes, reached for the hand brake and opened the hood
instead.

The plastic check valve disintegrating on the brake vacuum booster was a
common problem on GM cars years ago. My mother drove a 66 Oldsmobile
that had the valve come apart and luckily I was driving the car when it
happened and I had the strength in my legs to operate the brakes. I got
another new and improved valve and spent 10 minutes replacing it. ^_^

TDD

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:12:53 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/8/2012 9:18 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:12:41 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/7/2012 11:20 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:21:37 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/7/2012 7:55 PM, wrote:
BINGO! Steel brake line will crack with a single flare, it's pretty hard stuff

It has to be to take the high pressures. I've seen the result of Billy
Bob the trailer mechanic trying to use copper tubing for a brake line. o_O

TDD

While we're on this subject, the brake line on my mother's car broke
when I applied the brakes Just in front of the left rear tire On a
'58 Ford.

The mechanic told her that it had broken becaues she needed new brake
shoes. There is no truth to that, is there?

I sort of doubt the line broke because the car needed new shoes. I had
the rubber brake line to the rear axle of a 63 Dodge break and I lost
all braking because the older car had a single master brake cylinder.
I was on an uphill lane when it happened so I lived. ^_^

TDD

That's what I thought, and that's what I told her. Maybe the
"mechanic" wanted more work. She ended up selling the car anyhow.
It was 1965 and the car was a '58. She fixed the brake line but I
can't remember if she did the brake linings. We had no other car, so
we couldn't go look at it without asking for another, a third., ride.

Amazingly, I've had my brakes fail 6 times, I think it was, always
with single master cyclinder cars. When he went to Viet Nam, my
brother lent, then gave me his '65 Catalina, and the cap of the valve
at the brake booster popped off the morning after he lent me the car.
Several years later, I bought a '67 Catallina, and the next morning,
the same valve failed (I think this time the whole valve popped out of
its rubber grommet. And the flexible rubber line to one front wheel
failed once and I driove into an already falling down wooden fence,
held up by bushes, so I didn't do any damage. I think variations
of that happened two more times.

Then there was the case above** and evne though I've never gotten hurt
or hurt anyone, and barely any property damage total in these 6
failures, I'm glad cars have dual brakes now.

**where I hit the rear of the car in front of me, stopped to turn
left, but not very hard. I tried to back my car from his, forgot I
had not brakes, reached for the hand brake and opened the hood
instead.

The plastic check valve disintegrating on the brake vacuum booster was a
common problem on GM cars years ago. My mother drove a 66 Oldsmobile
that had the valve come apart and luckily I was driving the car when it
happened and I had the strength in my legs to operate the brakes. I got
another new and improved valve and spent 10 minutes replacing it. ^_^

Good to know.

I can't emphasize enough how strange I think it is that mine failed
the first full day I had each car.

In one case, my brother drove us to the Philly airport to leave on his
commerical flight to meet his army flight to Viet Nam, and I drove
the car home to Allentown, Pa.. First thing the next day, the brakes
didn't work.

The next car I bought in Queens and drove home to Brooklyn. First
thing the nextr day, the brakes didn't work.

TDD

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:12:53 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:


The plastic check valve disintegrating on the brake vacuum booster was a
common problem on GM cars years ago. My mother drove a 66 Oldsmobile
that had the valve come apart and luckily I was driving the car when it
happened and I had the strength in my legs to operate the brakes. I got

BTW, it's a good thing you were driving and not your mother.

another new and improved valve and spent 10 minutes replacing it. ^_^

They had an improved valve? I guess that's not surprising, given
that the other one used to burst apart even though the spring inside
was prettty weak!. I think this happened to me about July of '67,
with a car bought maybe July of '65.

TDD