Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

Only thing is there's no rivet/nut holding it together.
Looks like the side-cutter lineman's setup.
Didn't handle it at all because I walked away from it looking for the
"original," and then we had to leave.
This is all I see on-line and it looks like my old pliers are gone.
Anybody use this slip-joint setup?
Seems a slip-joint shouldn't be tight and have to be oiled.
I don't know the technical term for the way this is held together.

--Vic

On 2012-01-08, Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

That page don't work cuz I disable cookies. Screw 'em.

nb

--
vi --the root of evil

notbob wrote in
:

On 2012-01-08, Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...dNo=5&blockNo=
5&blockType=G5

That page don't work cuz I disable cookies. Screw 'em.

nb


Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

On 2012-01-08, Red Green wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.

nb



--
vi --the root of evil

On 1/8/2012 9:24 AM, Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
...

CEE-TEE; none better for general use...afaik still same altho haven't
had to buy a new pair in years...

http://www.orschelnfarmhome.com/6-in-cee-tee--pliers/ctl16754/cp58521/si5182443/cl1/

--

On 1/8/2012 11:01 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-08, Red wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.

nb


Considering that they are free (Tbird + FF or SM) they are pretty good.
But in general I agree with you, I think they are just getting too many
add-on gadgets for any one or even a large group of programmers to get a
handle on. Fix the bugs then instead of adding new ones.

John

In article ,
Vic Smith wrote:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...kNo=5&block T
ype=G5

I have 3 pairs, the ones in your link, the next bigger[1], and the huge
20 something inch channel lock ones[2]. They're all craftsman. and have
had daily heavy commercial use for years now.

They all have the new style riveted joint... and while I was also leery
of them at first, now like them!

The bolt head and nut not protruding has been handy more often than I
thought, and the joint tension is controlled by a spring steel 'wave'
washer that keeps enough tension on the assembly to prevent flopping
around, but not so much as to be annoying/cumbersome.

Yes they look different than we're accustomed to, but all and all, work
great!

[1] Now replaced 2 or 3 times under warranty due to worn/burnt off
plastic handles, and dull teeth from hard use. (Not from bad materials,
just a LOTS of hard use.)

[2] Now warranted at least four times for the same reasons.

Erik

PS, On the subject of pliers; I take all mine, Vise Grips as well, chuck
them in the vise and file the business ends down nice even and parallel;
tweezer like on the end if you will. Doing so allows you to latch onto
tiny stuff barely protruding up beyond flush. Now and again as they
start getting nasty, they get a retouch. Learned the trick from an old
shop teacher... it increases the usefulness of pliers many fold!

Most pliers are so sloppy out of the box that they can't grab anything
sticking up less than a quarter inch!

notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-08, Red Green wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are
using Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing
gets stored from your session, nothing extracted from your existing
session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.


If it's not Internet Explorer, it's dirt. Sometimes mud.

And my bucket full of Microsoft stock does not alter my estimation.

i have found chrome to be quite satisfactory.

Me too [1], been using it for a couple of years now. Chrome also has an
'incognito' mode for those worried about cookies and such.

Erik

[1] Note that I'm a Mac user, and can't speak for the windoz version.

"HeyBub" wrote in
m:

notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-08, Red Green wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are
using Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing
gets stored from your session, nothing extracted from your existing
session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.


If it's not Internet Explorer, it's dirt. Sometimes mud.

You silly Borg you :-)


And my bucket full of Microsoft stock does not alter my estimation.

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:54:18 -0800, Erik wrote:

In article ,
Vic Smith wrote:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...kNo=5&block T
ype=G5

I have 3 pairs, the ones in your link, the next bigger[1], and the huge
20 something inch channel lock ones[2]. They're all craftsman. and have
had daily heavy commercial use for years now.

They all have the new style riveted joint... and while I was also leery
of them at first, now like them!

The bolt head and nut not protruding has been handy more often than I
thought, and the joint tension is controlled by a spring steel 'wave'
washer that keeps enough tension on the assembly to prevent flopping
around, but not so much as to be annoying/cumbersome.

Yes they look different than we're accustomed to, but all and all, work
great!

[1] Now replaced 2 or 3 times under warranty due to worn/burnt off
plastic handles, and dull teeth from hard use. (Not from bad materials,
just a LOTS of hard use.)

[2] Now warranted at least four times for the same reasons.

Erik

PS, On the subject of pliers; I take all mine, Vise Grips as well, chuck
them in the vise and file the business ends down nice even and parallel;
tweezer like on the end if you will. Doing so allows you to latch onto
tiny stuff barely protruding up beyond flush. Now and again as they
start getting nasty, they get a retouch. Learned the trick from an old
shop teacher... it increases the usefulness of pliers many fold!

Most pliers are so sloppy out of the box that they can't grab anything
sticking up less than a quarter inch!

Thanks for the info. I'll pick them up.
But you mean the handles are plastic-coated, right?
Ny old ones had a green coating of something, but it never wore off in
maybe 25 years.
Never filed my originals, but they weren't as hard used as your.
Good idea filing. I grind my favorite screwdrivers occasionally.
Yeah, I pulled many almost flush nails with those pliers.
Those jaws really take a bite, and the pipe-vise teeth sets on the
jaws work good too.

--Vic

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:24:27 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

Only thing is there's no rivet/nut holding it together.
Looks like the side-cutter lineman's setup.
Didn't handle it at all because I walked away from it looking for the
"original," and then we had to leave.
This is all I see on-line and it looks like my old pliers are gone.
Anybody use this slip-joint setup?
Seems a slip-joint shouldn't be tight and have to be oiled.
I don't know the technical term for the way this is held together.

--Vic




The link describes it as "Flush Rivet design for closer access to work
surface."

I have a 4 piece set of pliers from Craftsman. Good pliers....

Thanks for the info. I'll pick them up.
But you mean the handles are plastic-coated, right?
Ny old ones had a green coating of something, but it never wore off in
maybe 25 years.
Never filed my originals, but they weren't as hard used as your.
Good idea filing. I grind my favorite screwdrivers occasionally.
Yeah, I pulled many almost flush nails with those pliers.
Those jaws really take a bite, and the pipe-vise teeth sets on the
jaws work good too.

--Vic

Yes, regular plastic coated handles, but textured, not smooth like eon's
ago.

I liked the old smooth ones better, as clean up was easier, but others
disagree.

They should last forever in regular use.

Another poster mentioned plating... these are not plated. I also prefer
non plated for the same reasons he mentioned.

Go easy with the grinder and quench often if you do use it. Files leave
a much nicer finish and give better control.

Erik

On 1/8/2012 8:20 AM, John wrote:
On 1/8/2012 11:01 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-08, Red wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets
stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.

nb


Considering that they are free (Tbird + FF or SM) they are pretty good.
But in general I agree with you, I think they are just getting too many
add-on gadgets for any one or even a large group of programmers to get a
handle on. Fix the bugs then instead of adding new ones.

John

i have found chrome to be quite satisfactory.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On 1/8/2012 1:39 PM, Steve Barker wrote:

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the. also, no yuppified plastic handle covers
and no chrome to peel off and cut you. Just a good ol' fashioned pair of
pocket pliers you can use. 6 and 8 inch.

You mean these?
http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/157992/300.jpg

On 1/8/2012 8:04 AM, dpb wrote:
On 1/8/2012 9:24 AM, Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
..

CEE-TEE; none better for general use...afaik still same altho haven't
had to buy a new pair in years...

http://www.orschelnfarmhome.com/6-in-cee-tee--pliers/ctl16754/cp58521/si5182443/cl1/


--

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the. also, no yuppified plastic handle
covers and no chrome to peel off and cut you. Just a good ol' fashioned
pair of pocket pliers you can use. 6 and 8 inch.
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:48:07 -0800, Erik wrote:


Thanks for the info. I'll pick them up.
But you mean the handles are plastic-coated, right?
Ny old ones had a green coating of something, but it never wore off in
maybe 25 years.
Never filed my originals, but they weren't as hard used as your.
Good idea filing. I grind my favorite screwdrivers occasionally.
Yeah, I pulled many almost flush nails with those pliers.
Those jaws really take a bite, and the pipe-vise teeth sets on the
jaws work good too.

--Vic

Yes, regular plastic coated handles, but textured, not smooth like eon's
ago.

I liked the old smooth ones better, as clean up was easier, but others
disagree.

They should last forever in regular use.

Another poster mentioned plating... these are not plated. I also prefer
non plated for the same reasons he mentioned.

Go easy with the grinder and quench often if you do use it. Files leave
a much nicer finish and give better control.

Yes. I was a heat treater years ago.
I use a fine wheel, a very light touch and quench often.
Still sort of makes me feel "wrong" when it steams.
I'll get a set of Craftsman files too.

--Vic

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:24:27 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

Only thing is there's no rivet/nut holding it together.
Looks like the side-cutter lineman's setup.
Didn't handle it at all because I walked away from it looking for the
"original," and then we had to leave.
This is all I see on-line and it looks like my old pliers are gone.
Anybody use this slip-joint setup?
Seems a slip-joint shouldn't be tight and have to be oiled.
I don't know the technical term for the way this is held together.

--Vic


A rivet?????
Actually, my 1969 Craftsman slip-joint pliers had a bolt and nut, as
do all my waterpump pliers - but all the rest of my pliers -
slip-joint, diaganol cutters, linesman pliers, and even my old
(1930s?) FENCE pliers use the pin or rivet tipe joint (except a couple
of yeal cheap nasty slip-joints kicking around that I should have
thrown out years ago - they ar bolted and make me mad every second
time I use them, it seems, because I need to tighten them up)

On 8 Jan 2012 16:01:21 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2012-01-08, Red Green wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.

nb
Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8

On 1/8/2012 12:38 PM, Armand Avi wrote:
On 1/8/2012 1:39 PM, Steve Barker wrote:

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the....

I have a lot of Green but rarely buy such things as hand tools, etc.,
there--they're simply too proud of most to be first choice. Just looked
and the 6" pliers are double the cost of the CeeTee which are also made
in USA afaik, still.

And, just because it is JD-branded doesn't _necessarily_ mean it isn't
imported/made by another company for JD. This is particularly true for
the smaller products. Even the utility tractors are mostly imports; the
955 I have has Yanmar 3-cyl diesel engine.

Don't get me wrong; I like US-made but the green paint premium is just
too much for my pocketbook to take for many ordinary things such as hand
tools.

--

On 1/8/2012 3:44 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 1/8/2012 11:30 AM, dpb wrote:
....

Don't get me wrong; I like US-made but the green paint premium is just
too much for my pocketbook to take for many ordinary things such as hand
tools.
....

i agree on most that. I have a '41 hand start model A, I'm pretty sure
it's all American. The '74 110 lawn tractor we have has Jap parts in it.
sigh But the pliers are all American. Who sells the "ceetee" pliers?

There's no utility tractors in the US (in the 30+ hp range) that aren't
at least some import, so there's no point in crying over spilt milk in
that regard.

Not sure exactly the question on CeeTee so I'll answer both that I can
think was perhaps meant--they are a Crescent brand; retailers are
generally the farm/ranch-type stores and at least some other hardware
stores. I've never seen them in either the blue or orange BORG, however
(altho we don't have either so I don't get there that often).

I'm not positive whether Ace is a general retailer or not; the farm
store I frequent here has Ace hardware but a lot of other stuff besides;
they're not just an Ace affiliate so don't know which link is the one
that has them on the shelf here--the Ace connection or that they're the
pliers of choice for farmers/ranchers which is the store clientele.

The link I posted earlier was Orscheln; another similar store (in fact,
the guy who started the small local chain that is ours was a good friend
of the Orscheln family and they this store at roughly the same time
Orscheln was reorganizing in the early '60s on their general model).

--

On 1/8/2012 1:37 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 1/8/2012 8:20 AM, John wrote:
On 1/8/2012 11:01 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-08, Red wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are
using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets
stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.

nb


Considering that they are free (Tbird + FF or SM) they are pretty good.
But in general I agree with you, I think they are just getting too many
add-on gadgets for any one or even a large group of programmers to get a
handle on. Fix the bugs then instead of adding new ones.

John

i have found chrome to be quite satisfactory.


I guess I wasn't clear. What I meant to say is Tbird and the
email/usenet part of SeaMonkey are buggy. On the other hand I think Fire
Fox as a web browser is excellent.

John

On 1/8/2012 10:38 AM, Armand Avi wrote:
On 1/8/2012 1:39 PM, Steve Barker wrote:

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the. also, no yuppified plastic handle covers
and no chrome to peel off and cut you. Just a good ol' fashioned pair of
pocket pliers you can use. 6 and 8 inch.

You mean these?
http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/157992/300.jpg

ya, ya, that's it. LOL!

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On 1/8/2012 11:30 AM, dpb wrote:
On 1/8/2012 12:38 PM, Armand Avi wrote:
On 1/8/2012 1:39 PM, Steve Barker wrote:

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the....

I have a lot of Green but rarely buy such things as hand tools, etc.,
there--they're simply too proud of most to be first choice. Just looked
and the 6" pliers are double the cost of the CeeTee which are also made
in USA afaik, still.

And, just because it is JD-branded doesn't _necessarily_ mean it isn't
imported/made by another company for JD. This is particularly true for
the smaller products. Even the utility tractors are mostly imports; the
955 I have has Yanmar 3-cyl diesel engine.

Don't get me wrong; I like US-made but the green paint premium is just
too much for my pocketbook to take for many ordinary things such as hand
tools.

--

i agree on most that. I have a '41 hand start model A, I'm pretty sure
it's all American. The '74 110 lawn tractor we have has Jap parts in
it. sigh But the pliers are all American. Who sells the "ceetee" pliers?

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On 1/8/2012 2:11 PM, dpb wrote:
On 1/8/2012 3:44 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
....

... Who sells the "ceetee" pliers?

....

Not sure exactly the question on CeeTee so I'll answer both that I can
think was perhaps meant--they are a Crescent brand;...

"C-T" "Cee-Tee" "Crescent Tools" -- clever, huh?

--

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:17:42 -0500, wrote:

Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8

....IE9 or go home

On 1/8/2012 3:44 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
....

i agree on most that. I have a '41 hand start model A, I'm pretty sure
it's all American. The '74 110 lawn tractor we have has Jap parts in it.
sigh But the pliers are all American. Who sells the "ceetee" pliers?

Certainly anything before the war was US-built; it's after the 50s/60s
that the cost structure began to shift drastically.

I have a mid-'60s 112; afaik it's all US--it has the Tecumseh engine.

The mid-80s rider has the Kawasaki; the early 70s (guessing, Dad got it
while I was off in VA/TN before coming back and I've not looked it up to
see just when it was bought) S92 rider is also all US w/ the B&S.

As noted, the utility tractor, a mid-90s 990 is typical of the genre
available from any of the name line ag folks whether Case-IH red, NH
blue or JD green. They're all a combination of various Japanese,
Korean, etc., etc., etc., pieces-parts that may or may not be partially
assembled in NA. They're basically no different than Kubota orange in
pedigree.

OTOH, the field tractors from an old 4440 up are US-built and continue
to be for the most part.

But, the bottom line for this thread is that all the major dealers have
these lines of custom-branded products and they're all simply
over-priced for almost everything. I really wonder how they sell enough
to make it worth doing, truthfully. It's kinda' a double-edged sword I
guess. They have to be high because don't have a lot of volume to
support mass production by suppliers and the high pricing limits the
size of market penetration. Unless they were to commit to subsidizing
the lines for a while and try to grow the distribution, it will probably
stay the way it is and I don't see that happening as being at all likely...

--

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:38:58 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:17:42 -0500, wrote:

Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8

...IE9 or go home
IE9 won't run on old faithfull - Windows XP

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 17:07:57 -0600, dpb wrote:

On 1/8/2012 3:44 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
...

i agree on most that. I have a '41 hand start model A, I'm pretty sure
it's all American. The '74 110 lawn tractor we have has Jap parts in it.
sigh But the pliers are all American. Who sells the "ceetee" pliers?

Certainly anything before the war was US-built; it's after the 50s/60s
that the cost structure began to shift drastically.

I have a mid-'60s 112; afaik it's all US--it has the Tecumseh engine.

The mid-80s rider has the Kawasaki; the early 70s (guessing, Dad got it
while I was off in VA/TN before coming back and I've not looked it up to
see just when it was bought) S92 rider is also all US w/ the B&S.

As noted, the utility tractor, a mid-90s 990 is typical of the genre
available from any of the name line ag folks whether Case-IH red, NH
blue or JD green. They're all a combination of various Japanese,
Korean, etc., etc., etc., pieces-parts that may or may not be partially
assembled in NA. They're basically no different than Kubota orange in
pedigree.

OTOH, the field tractors from an old 4440 up are US-built and continue
to be for the most part.

Except for the ones that are German . (Lanz or otherwize known as the
6000 series)

But, the bottom line for this thread is that all the major dealers have
these lines of custom-branded products and they're all simply
over-priced for almost everything. I really wonder how they sell enough
to make it worth doing, truthfully. It's kinda' a double-edged sword I
guess. They have to be high because don't have a lot of volume to
support mass production by suppliers and the high pricing limits the
size of market penetration. Unless they were to commit to subsidizing
the lines for a while and try to grow the distribution, it will probably
stay the way it is and I don't see that happening as being at all likely...

On 1/8/2012 6:05 PM, wrote:
....

Except for the ones that are German . (Lanz or otherwize known as
the 6000 series)
....

But they're still in the "utility" class, at least as we know them here
even though they're much larger 90-150(?) hp than most ahr folks think
of as utility. Make a nice loader tractor or for a baler.

--

On 1/8/2012 2:17 PM, wrote:


Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8


Browser only and FireFox is just as good, better in my opinion. The
suckiness creeps in for usenet and email clients. M$ doesn't (and never
did) have anything worth using. Tbird and SeaMonkey are buggy with the
latter just plain ugly. Pan is excellent for newsgroups but as of now
32 bit only on the Windows side and email is a non-starter. It makes you
appreciate the early days when Netscape Navigator did it all very well
all in one neat small package.

John

On 1/8/2012 6:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:38:58 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:17:42 -0500, wrote:

Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8

...IE9 or go home
IE9 won't run on old faithfull - Windows XP

One of the web browsers I have loaded on my WinXP system is Comodo
Dragon. It's an implementation of Chrome similar to SRWare Iron and
like Iron, Dragon removes the phone home crap that's in Chrome. It
also allows for extra security by running all traffic through Comodo's
own DNS servers and the browser also has a built in site inspector.

TDD

Won't run OE, either.

Christopher A. Young
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Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

Only thing is there's no rivet/nut holding it together.
Looks like the side-cutter lineman's setup.
Didn't handle it at all because I walked away from it looking for the
"original," and then we had to leave.
This is all I see on-line and it looks like my old pliers are gone.
Anybody use this slip-joint setup?
Seems a slip-joint shouldn't be tight and have to be oiled.
I don't know the technical term for the way this is held together.

--Vic

I have seen tools with the craftsman name at flea market. Bought a pair
that look like these very cheap. Must be some secondary source.

Greg

On 1/8/2012 8:59 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Won't run OE, either.

Christopher A. Young


...IE9 or go home
IE9 won't run on old faithfull - Windows XP




Yet you will run this top posting virus magnet:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931

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Won't run OE, either.

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Won't run OE, either.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

LOL,
John

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 18:54:25 -0600, dpb wrote:

On 1/8/2012 6:05 PM, wrote:
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Except for the ones that are German . (Lanz or otherwize known as
the 6000 series)
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But they're still in the "utility" class, at least as we know them here
even though they're much larger 90-150(?) hp than most ahr folks think
of as utility. Make a nice loader tractor or for a baler.
I guess it depends what you call "utility". They are bigger than
lawn and garden type "utility" tractors like the little yanbars,
Kubotas, etc. They are small general purpse farm tractors

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:39:53 -0500, John wrote:

On 1/8/2012 2:17 PM, wrote:


Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8


Browser only and FireFox is just as good, better in my opinion. The
suckiness creeps in for usenet and email clients. M$ doesn't (and never
did) have anything worth using. Tbird and SeaMonkey are buggy with the
latter just plain ugly. Pan is excellent for newsgroups but as of now
32 bit only on the Windows side and email is a non-starter. It makes you
appreciate the early days when Netscape Navigator did it all very well
all in one neat small package.

John
Agent for newsreader - outlook for mail.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:59:05 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
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Won't run OE, either.

Christopher A. Young
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...IE9 or go home
IE9 won't run on old faithfull - Windows XP

Nope - need outlook. I like it a lot better than OE anyways.

On 1/8/2012 10:15 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:39:53 -0500, wrote:

On 1/8/2012 2:17 PM, wrote:


Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8


Browser only and FireFox is just as good, better in my opinion. The
suckiness creeps in for usenet and email clients. M$ doesn't (and never
did) have anything worth using. Tbird and SeaMonkey are buggy with the
latter just plain ugly. Pan is excellent for newsgroups but as of now
32 bit only on the Windows side and email is a non-starter. It makes you
appreciate the early days when Netscape Navigator did it all very well
all in one neat small package.

John
Agent for newsreader - outlook for mail.


Agent is OK I used it for years but if you are still 32 bit Win Pan has
its good points, particularly in the *plonking* arena and its free.

Outlook ... spit ...

John