Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

Only thing is there's no rivet/nut holding it together.
Looks like the side-cutter lineman's setup.
Didn't handle it at all because I walked away from it looking for the
"original," and then we had to leave.
This is all I see on-line and it looks like my old pliers are gone.
Anybody use this slip-joint setup?
Seems a slip-joint shouldn't be tight and have to be oiled.
I don't know the technical term for the way this is held together.

--Vic

On 2012-01-08, Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

That page don't work cuz I disable cookies. Screw 'em.

nb

--
vi --the root of evil

notbob wrote in
:

On 2012-01-08, Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...dNo=5&blockNo=
5&blockType=G5

That page don't work cuz I disable cookies. Screw 'em.

nb


Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

On 2012-01-08, Red Green wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.

nb



--
vi --the root of evil

On 1/8/2012 11:01 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-08, Red wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.

nb


Considering that they are free (Tbird + FF or SM) they are pretty good.
But in general I agree with you, I think they are just getting too many
add-on gadgets for any one or even a large group of programmers to get a
handle on. Fix the bugs then instead of adding new ones.

John

On 1/8/2012 8:20 AM, John wrote:
On 1/8/2012 11:01 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-08, Red wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets
stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.

nb


Considering that they are free (Tbird + FF or SM) they are pretty good.
But in general I agree with you, I think they are just getting too many
add-on gadgets for any one or even a large group of programmers to get a
handle on. Fix the bugs then instead of adding new ones.

John

i have found chrome to be quite satisfactory.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-08, Red Green wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are
using Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing
gets stored from your session, nothing extracted from your existing
session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.


If it's not Internet Explorer, it's dirt. Sometimes mud.

And my bucket full of Microsoft stock does not alter my estimation.

"HeyBub" wrote in
m:

notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-08, Red Green wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are
using Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing
gets stored from your session, nothing extracted from your existing
session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.


If it's not Internet Explorer, it's dirt. Sometimes mud.

You silly Borg you :-)


And my bucket full of Microsoft stock does not alter my estimation.

On 8 Jan 2012 16:01:21 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2012-01-08, Red Green wrote:

Just FYI and you really want to see something with cookies and are using
Firefox...click on Tools | Start Private Browsing. Nothing gets stored from
your session, nothing extracted from your existing session, etc.

The Screw 'em options works too.

Mozilla is driving me crazy. I changed from FF to Seamonkey (SM),
which is a fork and more like the old Netscape, cuz FF removed some
granular controls with respect to cookies and such. Now, the newer
version of SM has removed some cookie user controls it once had. I
wish these damn developers would stop developing for development's
sake and jes leave well enough alone. Seems all the Mozilla browsers
are getting worse instead of better.

nb
Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:17:42 -0500, wrote:

Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8

....IE9 or go home

On 1/8/2012 2:17 PM, wrote:


Which is why I'm still using MickeySoft IE8


Browser only and FireFox is just as good, better in my opinion. The
suckiness creeps in for usenet and email clients. M$ doesn't (and never
did) have anything worth using. Tbird and SeaMonkey are buggy with the
latter just plain ugly. Pan is excellent for newsgroups but as of now
32 bit only on the Windows side and email is a non-starter. It makes you
appreciate the early days when Netscape Navigator did it all very well
all in one neat small package.

John

On 1/8/2012 9:24 AM, Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
...

CEE-TEE; none better for general use...afaik still same altho haven't
had to buy a new pair in years...

http://www.orschelnfarmhome.com/6-in-cee-tee--pliers/ctl16754/cp58521/si5182443/cl1/

--

On 1/8/2012 8:04 AM, dpb wrote:
On 1/8/2012 9:24 AM, Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
..

CEE-TEE; none better for general use...afaik still same altho haven't
had to buy a new pair in years...

http://www.orschelnfarmhome.com/6-in-cee-tee--pliers/ctl16754/cp58521/si5182443/cl1/


--

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the. also, no yuppified plastic handle
covers and no chrome to peel off and cut you. Just a good ol' fashioned
pair of pocket pliers you can use. 6 and 8 inch.
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On 1/8/2012 1:39 PM, Steve Barker wrote:

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the. also, no yuppified plastic handle covers
and no chrome to peel off and cut you. Just a good ol' fashioned pair of
pocket pliers you can use. 6 and 8 inch.

You mean these?
http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/157992/300.jpg

On 1/8/2012 12:38 PM, Armand Avi wrote:
On 1/8/2012 1:39 PM, Steve Barker wrote:

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the....

I have a lot of Green but rarely buy such things as hand tools, etc.,
there--they're simply too proud of most to be first choice. Just looked
and the 6" pliers are double the cost of the CeeTee which are also made
in USA afaik, still.

And, just because it is JD-branded doesn't _necessarily_ mean it isn't
imported/made by another company for JD. This is particularly true for
the smaller products. Even the utility tractors are mostly imports; the
955 I have has Yanmar 3-cyl diesel engine.

Don't get me wrong; I like US-made but the green paint premium is just
too much for my pocketbook to take for many ordinary things such as hand
tools.

--

On 1/8/2012 11:30 AM, dpb wrote:
On 1/8/2012 12:38 PM, Armand Avi wrote:
On 1/8/2012 1:39 PM, Steve Barker wrote:

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the....

I have a lot of Green but rarely buy such things as hand tools, etc.,
there--they're simply too proud of most to be first choice. Just looked
and the 6" pliers are double the cost of the CeeTee which are also made
in USA afaik, still.

And, just because it is JD-branded doesn't _necessarily_ mean it isn't
imported/made by another company for JD. This is particularly true for
the smaller products. Even the utility tractors are mostly imports; the
955 I have has Yanmar 3-cyl diesel engine.

Don't get me wrong; I like US-made but the green paint premium is just
too much for my pocketbook to take for many ordinary things such as hand
tools.

--

i agree on most that. I have a '41 hand start model A, I'm pretty sure
it's all American. The '74 110 lawn tractor we have has Jap parts in
it. sigh But the pliers are all American. Who sells the "ceetee" pliers?

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On 1/8/2012 10:38 AM, Armand Avi wrote:
On 1/8/2012 1:39 PM, Steve Barker wrote:

you'll also find AMERICAN made slip joint pliers at the john deere
store. With the jd name on the. also, no yuppified plastic handle covers
and no chrome to peel off and cut you. Just a good ol' fashioned pair of
pocket pliers you can use. 6 and 8 inch.

You mean these?
http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/157992/300.jpg

ya, ya, that's it. LOL!

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

In article ,
Vic Smith wrote:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...kNo=5&block T
ype=G5

I have 3 pairs, the ones in your link, the next bigger[1], and the huge
20 something inch channel lock ones[2]. They're all craftsman. and have
had daily heavy commercial use for years now.

They all have the new style riveted joint... and while I was also leery
of them at first, now like them!

The bolt head and nut not protruding has been handy more often than I
thought, and the joint tension is controlled by a spring steel 'wave'
washer that keeps enough tension on the assembly to prevent flopping
around, but not so much as to be annoying/cumbersome.

Yes they look different than we're accustomed to, but all and all, work
great!

[1] Now replaced 2 or 3 times under warranty due to worn/burnt off
plastic handles, and dull teeth from hard use. (Not from bad materials,
just a LOTS of hard use.)

[2] Now warranted at least four times for the same reasons.

Erik

PS, On the subject of pliers; I take all mine, Vise Grips as well, chuck
them in the vise and file the business ends down nice even and parallel;
tweezer like on the end if you will. Doing so allows you to latch onto
tiny stuff barely protruding up beyond flush. Now and again as they
start getting nasty, they get a retouch. Learned the trick from an old
shop teacher... it increases the usefulness of pliers many fold!

Most pliers are so sloppy out of the box that they can't grab anything
sticking up less than a quarter inch!

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:54:18 -0800, Erik wrote:

In article ,
Vic Smith wrote:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...kNo=5&block T
ype=G5

I have 3 pairs, the ones in your link, the next bigger[1], and the huge
20 something inch channel lock ones[2]. They're all craftsman. and have
had daily heavy commercial use for years now.

They all have the new style riveted joint... and while I was also leery
of them at first, now like them!

The bolt head and nut not protruding has been handy more often than I
thought, and the joint tension is controlled by a spring steel 'wave'
washer that keeps enough tension on the assembly to prevent flopping
around, but not so much as to be annoying/cumbersome.

Yes they look different than we're accustomed to, but all and all, work
great!

[1] Now replaced 2 or 3 times under warranty due to worn/burnt off
plastic handles, and dull teeth from hard use. (Not from bad materials,
just a LOTS of hard use.)

[2] Now warranted at least four times for the same reasons.

Erik

PS, On the subject of pliers; I take all mine, Vise Grips as well, chuck
them in the vise and file the business ends down nice even and parallel;
tweezer like on the end if you will. Doing so allows you to latch onto
tiny stuff barely protruding up beyond flush. Now and again as they
start getting nasty, they get a retouch. Learned the trick from an old
shop teacher... it increases the usefulness of pliers many fold!

Most pliers are so sloppy out of the box that they can't grab anything
sticking up less than a quarter inch!

Thanks for the info. I'll pick them up.
But you mean the handles are plastic-coated, right?
Ny old ones had a green coating of something, but it never wore off in
maybe 25 years.
Never filed my originals, but they weren't as hard used as your.
Good idea filing. I grind my favorite screwdrivers occasionally.
Yeah, I pulled many almost flush nails with those pliers.
Those jaws really take a bite, and the pipe-vise teeth sets on the
jaws work good too.

--Vic

Thanks for the info. I'll pick them up.
But you mean the handles are plastic-coated, right?
Ny old ones had a green coating of something, but it never wore off in
maybe 25 years.
Never filed my originals, but they weren't as hard used as your.
Good idea filing. I grind my favorite screwdrivers occasionally.
Yeah, I pulled many almost flush nails with those pliers.
Those jaws really take a bite, and the pipe-vise teeth sets on the
jaws work good too.

--Vic

Yes, regular plastic coated handles, but textured, not smooth like eon's
ago.

I liked the old smooth ones better, as clean up was easier, but others
disagree.

They should last forever in regular use.

Another poster mentioned plating... these are not plated. I also prefer
non plated for the same reasons he mentioned.

Go easy with the grinder and quench often if you do use it. Files leave
a much nicer finish and give better control.

Erik

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:48:07 -0800, Erik wrote:


Thanks for the info. I'll pick them up.
But you mean the handles are plastic-coated, right?
Ny old ones had a green coating of something, but it never wore off in
maybe 25 years.
Never filed my originals, but they weren't as hard used as your.
Good idea filing. I grind my favorite screwdrivers occasionally.
Yeah, I pulled many almost flush nails with those pliers.
Those jaws really take a bite, and the pipe-vise teeth sets on the
jaws work good too.

--Vic

Yes, regular plastic coated handles, but textured, not smooth like eon's
ago.

I liked the old smooth ones better, as clean up was easier, but others
disagree.

They should last forever in regular use.

Another poster mentioned plating... these are not plated. I also prefer
non plated for the same reasons he mentioned.

Go easy with the grinder and quench often if you do use it. Files leave
a much nicer finish and give better control.

Yes. I was a heat treater years ago.
I use a fine wheel, a very light touch and quench often.
Still sort of makes me feel "wrong" when it steams.
I'll get a set of Craftsman files too.

--Vic

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:24:27 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

Only thing is there's no rivet/nut holding it together.
Looks like the side-cutter lineman's setup.
Didn't handle it at all because I walked away from it looking for the
"original," and then we had to leave.
This is all I see on-line and it looks like my old pliers are gone.
Anybody use this slip-joint setup?
Seems a slip-joint shouldn't be tight and have to be oiled.
I don't know the technical term for the way this is held together.

--Vic




The link describes it as "Flush Rivet design for closer access to work
surface."

I have a 4 piece set of pliers from Craftsman. Good pliers....

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:24:27 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

Only thing is there's no rivet/nut holding it together.
Looks like the side-cutter lineman's setup.
Didn't handle it at all because I walked away from it looking for the
"original," and then we had to leave.
This is all I see on-line and it looks like my old pliers are gone.
Anybody use this slip-joint setup?
Seems a slip-joint shouldn't be tight and have to be oiled.
I don't know the technical term for the way this is held together.

--Vic


A rivet?????
Actually, my 1969 Craftsman slip-joint pliers had a bolt and nut, as
do all my waterpump pliers - but all the rest of my pliers -
slip-joint, diaganol cutters, linesman pliers, and even my old
(1930s?) FENCE pliers use the pin or rivet tipe joint (except a couple
of yeal cheap nasty slip-joints kicking around that I should have
thrown out years ago - they ar bolted and make me mad every second
time I use them, it seems, because I need to tighten them up)

Vic Smith wrote:
Of all the tools I lost, I miss my sly slip-joint pliers the most.
It was my fall-back-do-almost-anything tool.
So I'm in Sears with my gift cards and look for it.
This looks to be the same jaw and handle type.
I especially like the teeth setup.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G5

Only thing is there's no rivet/nut holding it together.
Looks like the side-cutter lineman's setup.
Didn't handle it at all because I walked away from it looking for the
"original," and then we had to leave.
This is all I see on-line and it looks like my old pliers are gone.
Anybody use this slip-joint setup?
Seems a slip-joint shouldn't be tight and have to be oiled.
I don't know the technical term for the way this is held together.

--Vic

I have seen tools with the craftsman name at flea market. Bought a pair
that look like these very cheap. Must be some secondary source.

Greg