Is any of this false? Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see any blades?"


This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

On May 24, 2:34*am, mm wrote:
Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years. *

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage. *

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

Q: "Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

A. You would have to have some extreme water chemistry issues
going on for that to be truthful... So bad in fact that your copper
water piping would be springing leaks if you sneezed too hard or
slammed a door...

Q. Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is
old disposals.

A. Dull blades would mean your disposal would have to work harder
and longer to clear what you put down into it... Rusted blades ?
Well I mean that could effect performance maybe but not by much
a rusty knife will still cut things...

As far as the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs being old
disposals, I would disagree, it more often has to do with what
is being ground up by the disposal and the failure to allow enough
time to wash the ground up food particles through your home's
drain lines... I have seen problems especially in homes where
Rice is a major portion of the diet with ground up Rice sticking
in the drain lines and reforming into a solid clog if it is allowed
to sit in the pipe... It all depends on where the clog forms...
Clogs are less likely with any disposal if you allow the water
to run for a little bit of time after the disposal clears itself of
food waste...

Q. Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down
there simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A. It is not so much that the blades are sharp, it is that they are
there sweeping around the perforated edges of the disposal to
grind the food against that outer edge... Works by brute force
sort of like the grinding machines which can turn an old car
into confetti...

It is true that smaller food stuffs like rice grains can sometimes
fit past the perforations in the outer edge of the disposal chamber
and yes they would be more likely to clog your pipes especially
farther down the drain lines if any hair gets past the traps in your
bathroom fixtures...

Q. A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and
look down into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see
any blades?

A. The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of
darker metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of
your disposal... Most people who might be looking into
their disposal with a flashlight might not know that the
"blades" along with the perforated disc are what get rid
of the food, it is not like a food processor which has
actual sharp blades or anything like that... If you could
visibly see rust or corrosion in your disposal you have
water chemistry issues you need to deal with or you
are looking into an extremely old disposal...

~~ Evan

On May 24, 3:41*am, Evan wrote:
On May 24, 2:34*am, mm wrote:









Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years. *

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage. *

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

Q: *"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

A. *You would have to have some extreme water chemistry issues
going on for that to be truthful... *So bad in fact that your copper
water piping would be springing leaks if you sneezed too hard or
slammed a door...

Q. *Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is
old disposals.

A. *Dull blades would mean your disposal would have to work harder
and longer to clear what you put down into it... *Rusted blades ?
Well I mean that could effect performance maybe but not by much
a rusty knife will still cut things...

As far as the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs being old
disposals, I would disagree, it more often has to do with what
is being ground up by the disposal and the failure to allow enough
time to wash the ground up food particles through your home's
drain lines... *I have seen problems especially in homes where
Rice is a major portion of the diet with ground up Rice sticking
in the drain lines and reforming into a solid clog if it is allowed
to sit in the pipe... *It all depends on where the clog forms...
Clogs are less likely with any disposal if you allow the water
to run for a little bit of time after the disposal clears itself of
food waste...

Q. *Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down
there simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A. *It is not so much that the blades are sharp, it is that they are
there sweeping around the perforated edges of the disposal to
grind the food against that outer edge... *Works by brute force
sort of like the grinding machines which can turn an old car
into confetti...

It is true that smaller food stuffs like rice grains can sometimes
fit past the perforations in the outer edge of the disposal chamber
and yes they would be more likely to clog your pipes especially
farther down the drain lines if any hair gets past the traps in your
bathroom fixtures...

Q. *A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and
look down into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see
any blades?

A. *The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of
darker metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of
your disposal... *Most people who might be looking into
their disposal with a flashlight might not know that the
"blades" along with the perforated disc are what get rid
of the food, it is not like a food processor which has
actual sharp blades or anything like that... *If you could
visibly see rust or corrosion in your disposal you have
water chemistry issues you need to deal with or you
are looking into an extremely old disposal...

~~ Evan

"The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of darker
metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of your disposal"

Those parts are commonly referred to as the impellers, not blades.

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years."

I can't imagine that anyone would claim that the impellers would rust
off in 2 to 4 years. They ask "Can you see any blades?" For the
impellers to completely disappear in 2 to 4 years is pretty close to
impossible.

By blades, I assume that they are referring to the sharp protrusions
on the shredder ring.

That said, for the shredder ring to have lost all it's "blades" in 2
to 4 years seems a bit far fetched also.

On Tue, 24 May 2011 03:10:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 24, 3:41*am, Evan wrote:
On May 24, 2:34*am, mm wrote:









Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years. *

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage. *

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

Q: *"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

A. *You would have to have some extreme water chemistry issues
going on for that to be truthful... *So bad in fact that your copper
water piping would be springing leaks if you sneezed too hard or
slammed a door...

Q. *Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is
old disposals.

A. *Dull blades would mean your disposal would have to work harder
and longer to clear what you put down into it... *Rusted blades ?
Well I mean that could effect performance maybe but not by much
a rusty knife will still cut things...

As far as the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs being old
disposals, I would disagree, it more often has to do with what
is being ground up by the disposal and the failure to allow enough
time to wash the ground up food particles through your home's
drain lines... *I have seen problems especially in homes where
Rice is a major portion of the diet with ground up Rice sticking
in the drain lines and reforming into a solid clog if it is allowed
to sit in the pipe... *It all depends on where the clog forms...
Clogs are less likely with any disposal if you allow the water
to run for a little bit of time after the disposal clears itself of
food waste...

Q. *Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down
there simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A. *It is not so much that the blades are sharp, it is that they are
there sweeping around the perforated edges of the disposal to
grind the food against that outer edge... *Works by brute force
sort of like the grinding machines which can turn an old car
into confetti...

It is true that smaller food stuffs like rice grains can sometimes
fit past the perforations in the outer edge of the disposal chamber
and yes they would be more likely to clog your pipes especially
farther down the drain lines if any hair gets past the traps in your
bathroom fixtures...

Q. *A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and
look down into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see
any blades?

A. *The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of
darker metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of
your disposal... *Most people who might be looking into
their disposal with a flashlight might not know that the
"blades" along with the perforated disc are what get rid
of the food, it is not like a food processor which has
actual sharp blades or anything like that... *If you could

Right, when most people hear blade, they think of a blender or food
processor.

visibly see rust or corrosion in your disposal you have
water chemistry issues you need to deal with or you
are looking into an extremely old disposal...

~~ Evan

"The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of darker
metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of your disposal"

Those parts are commonly referred to as the impellers, not blades.

IIUC they just hit the food, beat it to death, they don't cut it.

So there either are no blades, or nothing that looks like what most
people think blades look like. Yet he wants people to judge their
disposal by its blades.

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years."

I can't imagine that anyone would claim that the impellers would rust
off in 2 to 4 years. They ask "Can you see any blades?" For the
impellers to completely disappear in 2 to 4 years is pretty close to
impossible.

By blades, I assume that they are referring to the sharp protrusions
on the shredder ring.

That said, for the shredder ring to have lost all it's "blades" in 2
to 4 years seems a bit far fetched also.

It seems so far to me that this guy is lying to get business.

What about these words, "Very loud disposals indicate cheaper models,
that don't last very long. Definitely have a plumber come out and
look at it... Replacing a disposal today will prevent a stoppage
later on"

And for the first question he answers, for someone whose toilet runs,
"You should have your toilet checked for other potential problems.
Many people don't consider all the parts in the tank that can wear out
over time and can cause an even more serious leak through your
ceiling. A good plumber will assess the overall condition of your
toilet and if it's an older model, can give you options on replacing
it with a lower consumption toilet that will save you even more money
in the end."


I'm a friend of a friend of the publisher of the magazine, and I know
she's an honorable woman who probalby knows nothing about plumbing.
She probably thinks she's doing a community service by running this
column, and helping an honest guy get business, and I think maybe I
should strip off the names and send her the comments here, or get her
to check this stuff out with a good plumber (Athough I don't know who.
I havent' needed a plumber since I've been here and I don't know any.)
Should I email her?

On May 24, 6:51*am, mm wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 03:10:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On May 24, 3:41 am, Evan wrote:
On May 24, 2:34 am, mm wrote:

Is any of this false? Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

Q: "Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

A. You would have to have some extreme water chemistry issues
going on for that to be truthful... So bad in fact that your copper
water piping would be springing leaks if you sneezed too hard or
slammed a door...

Q. Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is
old disposals.

A. Dull blades would mean your disposal would have to work harder
and longer to clear what you put down into it... Rusted blades ?
Well I mean that could effect performance maybe but not by much
a rusty knife will still cut things...

As far as the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs being old
disposals, I would disagree, it more often has to do with what
is being ground up by the disposal and the failure to allow enough
time to wash the ground up food particles through your home's
drain lines... I have seen problems especially in homes where
Rice is a major portion of the diet with ground up Rice sticking
in the drain lines and reforming into a solid clog if it is allowed
to sit in the pipe... It all depends on where the clog forms...
Clogs are less likely with any disposal if you allow the water
to run for a little bit of time after the disposal clears itself of
food waste...

Q. Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down
there simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A. It is not so much that the blades are sharp, it is that they are
there sweeping around the perforated edges of the disposal to
grind the food against that outer edge... Works by brute force
sort of like the grinding machines which can turn an old car
into confetti...

It is true that smaller food stuffs like rice grains can sometimes
fit past the perforations in the outer edge of the disposal chamber
and yes they would be more likely to clog your pipes especially
farther down the drain lines if any hair gets past the traps in your
bathroom fixtures...

Q. A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and
look down into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see
any blades?

A. The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of
darker metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of
your disposal... Most people who might be looking into
their disposal with a flashlight might not know that the
"blades" along with the perforated disc are what get rid
of the food, it is not like a food processor which has
actual sharp blades or anything like that... If you could

Right, when most people hear blade, they think of a blender or food
processor.

visibly see rust or corrosion in your disposal you have
water chemistry issues you need to deal with or you
are looking into an extremely old disposal...

~~ Evan

"The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of darker
metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of your disposal"

Those parts are commonly referred to as the impellers, not blades.

IIUC they just hit the food, beat it to death, they don't cut it.

So there either are no blades, or nothing that looks like what most
people think blades look like. Yet he wants people to judge their
disposal by its blades.



"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years."

I can't imagine that anyone would claim that the impellers would rust
off in 2 to 4 years. They ask "Can you see any blades?" For the
impellers to completely disappear in 2 to 4 years is pretty close to
impossible.

By blades, I assume that they are referring to the sharp protrusions
on the shredder ring.

That said, for the shredder ring to have lost all it's "blades" in 2
to 4 years seems a bit far fetched also.

It seems so far to me that this guy is lying to get business.

What about these words, "Very loud disposals indicate cheaper models,
that don't last very long. *Definitely have a plumber come out and
look at it... *Replacing a disposal today will prevent a stoppage
later on"

And for the first question he answers, for someone whose toilet runs,
"You should have your toilet checked for other potential problems.
Many people don't consider all the parts in the tank that can wear out
over time and can cause an even more serious leak through your
ceiling. *A good plumber will assess the overall condition of your
toilet and if it's an older model, can give you options on replacing
it with a lower consumption toilet that will save you even more money
in the end."

I'm a friend of a friend of the publisher of the magazine, and I know
she's an honorable woman who probalby knows nothing about plumbing.
She probably thinks she's doing a community service by running this
column, and helping an honest guy get business, and I think maybe I
should strip off the names and send her the comments here, or get her
to check this stuff out with a good plumber (Athough I don't know who.
I havent' needed a plumber since I've been here and I don't know any.)
Should I email her?

"So there either are no blades, or nothing that looks like what
most people think blades look like. Yet he wants people to judge their
disposal by its blades."

" IIUC they just hit the food, beat it to death, they don't cut
it"

Some sites do refer to the protrusions on the shredder disk as blades
and that's what I think he is referring to. The impellers force the
food up against the shredder disk where the "blades" shred the food
into smaller pieces.

I wouldn't argue if someone called that "cutting it".

I'm not a plumber, and I haven't seen all that many disposals,
although I've installed a few. All I'm saying is that claiming that
*most* disposals only last 2 - 4 years because the "blades" rust off
of the shredder disk seems like a stretch to me. Maybe that's because
I've never installed a low-end disposal.

On May 24, 2:34*am, mm wrote:
Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years. *

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage. *

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

Load of crap. My builder grade one quite after 10 years or so.
Nothing was wrong with the macerator, the motor quit. Disposals don't
have anything particularly sharp in them, they just beat the food to a
pulp..

On Tue, 24 May 2011 04:30:55 -0700 (PDT), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On May 24, 2:34*am, mm wrote:
Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years. *

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage. *

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

Load of crap. My builder grade one quite after 10 years or so.
Nothing was wrong with the macerator, the motor quit. Disposals don't
have anything particularly sharp in them, they just beat the food to a
pulp..

And not only that: "
Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage. *"

If the disposal can't beat the food up enough, the food never gets out
of the disposal, does it? It doesn't clog the pipes below it, iirc,
because it doesnt' get there. You have to turn the switch off, maybe
the breaker too, put your hand in the disposal and pull out the stuff
that isn't chopped up.

In article , mm wrote:
Is any of this false? Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

False.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

False -- IMO, the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is user error: people
trying to shove too much stuff down the disposal, or stuff that shouldn't be
put down the disposal at all.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

False. The food has to be ground up at least to some extent in order to make
it out of the disposal. Without blades at all, the stuff will just stay there
in the disposal.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see any blades?"

False. Rust on the blades won't prevent a disposal from working. And "Can you
see any blades?" What nonsense. I've had garbage disposals in nearly every
house or apartment I've lived in, and _never once_ have the blades worn away,
fallen out, been raptured, rusted away, been stolen, or whatever else the
author of this nonsense imagines might happen to cause them to disappear.

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

If I needed I plumber, I'd hire one of his competitors.

"mm" wrote in message
...
Is any of this false? Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see any blades?"


This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

With even the cheapest disposals lasting 5-10 years, I'd say it is bunk.
The biggest problem today seems to be the outer housing being made of
plastic, and something poking a hole in it when it gets jammed between the
impellers and the outer housing. Or at least that has been the case in the
last several I have replaced. Today, they range from $40 to $400. And I
think you get what you pay for. And some people leave stuff in there for
days before switching it on, waiting until it won't drain as a sign it needs
emptying. That could create a corrosive environment that would speed up
things.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
www.cabgbypasssurgery.com
Heart Surgery Survival Guide

On May 24, 7:45*am, (Doug Miller)
wrote:
In article , mm wrote:
Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years. *

False.



Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

False -- IMO, the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is user error: people
trying to shove too much stuff down the disposal, or stuff that shouldn't be
put down the disposal at all.



Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage. *

False. The food has to be ground up at least to some extent in order to make
it out of the disposal. Without blades at all, the stuff will just stay there
in the disposal.



A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"

False. Rust on the blades won't prevent a disposal from working. And "Can you
see any blades?" What nonsense. I've had garbage disposals in nearly every
house or apartment I've lived in, and _never once_ have the blades worn away,
fallen out, been raptured, rusted away, been stolen, or whatever else the
author of this nonsense imagines might happen to cause them to disappear.



This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

If I needed I plumber, I'd hire one of his competitors.

"False. The food has to be ground up at least to some extent in
order to make it out of the disposal. Without blades at all, the stuff
will just stay there in the disposal. "

No wait - here's a scenario:

The blades on the shredder disk rusted away leaving large gaping holes
in the sides of the disposal and items the size of small cars can make
their way into the drain. It could happen. ;-)

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"mm" wrote in message
...
Is any of this false? Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen sing clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see any blades?"


This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

With even the cheapest disposals lasting 5-10 years, I'd say it is bunk.
The biggest problem today seems to be the outer housing being made of
plastic, and something poking a hole in it when it gets jammed between the
impellers and the outer housing. Or at least that has been the case in
the last several I have replaced. Today, they range from $40 to $400.
And I think you get what you pay for. And some people leave stuff in
there for days before switching it on, waiting until it won't drain as a
sign it needs emptying. That could create a corrosive environment that
would speed up things.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
www.cabgbypasssurgery.com
Heart Surgery Survival Guide
I worked for GE distributor and service repair in the late 40's. The GE
disposer was very tough. If and when the (blades) would bind up and not
shred the food we would add 3 one inch ball bearings into it and run for 10
seconds. This loosened it up. One call came in from a customer and asked
for us to send a service man to put his balls in her disposal. That got a
big laugh. One customer told a neighbor how this worked to clean disposal
but he did not want to pay a service call. Did it his self. Bad news this
was a different brand. Destroyed disposal, broke through the outer shell.
Sometimes being cheap is not cheap. On another call on a GE dryer No heat.
these older dryers used a heat sensitive fuse that was in series with the
motor. If any thing caused poor air flow (ie lint build up) fuse would melt
and stop dryer. This looked like a standard small cartridge amperage fuse.
Showed the customer the problem and she did not want to pay the dollar for
the fuse. Said her husband would change it. Few weeks later her neighbor
called me and wanted her dry totally cleaned. Said her neighbor had a dryer
fire that set the house on fire. Apparently the first customer used a wrong
type of fuse. WW

On Tue, 24 May 2011 11:45:00 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:

In article , mm wrote:
Is any of this false? Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

False.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

False -- IMO, the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is user error: people
trying to shove too much stuff down the disposal, or stuff that shouldn't be
put down the disposal at all.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

False. The food has to be ground up at least to some extent in order to make
it out of the disposal. Without blades at all, the stuff will just stay there
in the disposal.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see any blades?"

False. Rust on the blades won't prevent a disposal from working. And "Can you
see any blades?" What nonsense. I've had garbage disposals in nearly every
house or apartment I've lived in, and _never once_ have the blades worn away,
fallen out, been raptured, rusted away, been stolen, or whatever else the
author of this nonsense imagines might happen to cause them to disappear.


I have had one blade break apart in a cheap disposal, a mobile home.
Replaced it with a good one.


This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

If I needed I plumber, I'd hire one of his competitors.

On May 24, 1:34*am, mm wrote:
Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years. *

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage. *

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

Consumer Reports has the skinny on what is fact and what is BS. Over
all, it seems that bargain disposers work, but not as well or as long
as the better grade. It's your money and your choice.

Joe

Joe

On Tue, 24 May 2011 06:51:06 -0400, mm
wrote:

Thanks Derby Dad and thanks, everyone.

What about these words:
And for the first question he answers, for someone whose toilet runs,
"You should have your toilet checked for other potential problems.
Many people don't consider all the parts in the tank that can wear out
over time and can cause an even more serious leak through your
ceiling. A good plumber will assess the overall condition of your
toilet and if it's an older model, can give you options on replacing
it with a lower consumption toilet that will save you even more money
in the end."

I thought the only part that could leak without the user noticing it
is the wax ring, and that normally they last forever. Until you
remove the toilet for some other reason.

So isn't this false too that all the parts wear out over time and can
cause an even more serious leak?????

I've never had a leak from the tank either, except into the bowl,
which doesn't hurt my ceiling.

How long does the wax ring normally last?

On 5/24/2011 5:10 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On May 24, 3:41 am, wrote:
On May 24, 2:34 am, wrote:









Is any of this false? Is any of this true?
"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.
Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.
Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.
A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see any blades?"
This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.
Q: "Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

A. You would have to have some extreme water chemistry issues
going on for that to be truthful... So bad in fact that your copper
water piping would be springing leaks if you sneezed too hard or
slammed a door...

Q. Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is
old disposals.

A. Dull blades would mean your disposal would have to work harder
and longer to clear what you put down into it... Rusted blades ?
Well I mean that could effect performance maybe but not by much
a rusty knife will still cut things...

As far as the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs being old
disposals, I would disagree, it more often has to do with what
is being ground up by the disposal and the failure to allow enough
time to wash the ground up food particles through your home's
drain lines... I have seen problems especially in homes where
Rice is a major portion of the diet with ground up Rice sticking
in the drain lines and reforming into a solid clog if it is allowed
to sit in the pipe... It all depends on where the clog forms...
Clogs are less likely with any disposal if you allow the water
to run for a little bit of time after the disposal clears itself of
food waste...

Q. Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down
there simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A. It is not so much that the blades are sharp, it is that they are
there sweeping around the perforated edges of the disposal to
grind the food against that outer edge... Works by brute force
sort of like the grinding machines which can turn an old car
into confetti...

It is true that smaller food stuffs like rice grains can sometimes
fit past the perforations in the outer edge of the disposal chamber
and yes they would be more likely to clog your pipes especially
farther down the drain lines if any hair gets past the traps in your
bathroom fixtures...

Q. A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and
look down into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see
any blades?

A. The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of
darker metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of
your disposal... Most people who might be looking into
their disposal with a flashlight might not know that the
"blades" along with the perforated disc are what get rid
of the food, it is not like a food processor which has
actual sharp blades or anything like that... If you could
visibly see rust or corrosion in your disposal you have
water chemistry issues you need to deal with or you
are looking into an extremely old disposal...

~~ Evan
"The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of darker
metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of your disposal"

Those parts are commonly referred to as the impellers, not blades.

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years."

I can't imagine that anyone would claim that the impellers would rust
off in 2 to 4 years. They ask "Can you see any blades?" For the
impellers to completely disappear in 2 to 4 years is pretty close to
impossible.

By blades, I assume that they are referring to the sharp protrusions
on the shredder ring.

That said, for the shredder ring to have lost all it's "blades" in 2
to 4 years seems a bit far fetched also.

Good answers.

Personally, I think, some people tend to treat their GD like trash cans
and a lot of the drain clogging issues could be solved by throwing waste
in the trash. Some women (I won't mention any names here) think the GD
is a magic device that can dispose of anything. Common sense tells you
that overuse can lead to problems. It doesn't help when some cities
actually encourage GD use to feed their green agendas.

Jim

On Tue, 24 May 2011 11:16:13 -0500, JimT wrote:


Good answers.

Personally, I think, some people tend to treat their GD like trash cans
and a lot of the drain clogging issues could be solved by throwing waste
in the trash. Some women (I won't mention any names here)

We all know who you're talking about.

think the GD
is a magic device that can dispose of anything. Common sense tells you
that overuse can lead to problems. It doesn't help when some cities
actually encourage GD use to feed their green agendas.

Jim

On May 24, 11:43*am, mm wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 11:16:13 -0500, JimT wrote:

Good answers.

Personally, I think, some people tend to treat their GD like trash cans
and a lot of the drain clogging issues could be solved by throwing waste
in the trash. Some women (I won't mention any names here)

We all know who you're talking about.



think the GD
is a magic device that can dispose of anything. Common sense tells you
that overuse can lead to problems. It doesn't help when some cities
actually encourage GD use to feed their green agendas.

Jim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would copy this thread and send it to the publiisher of the local
magazine, politely telling her that the plumber is way off base and
she is hurting the reputation of the magazine by publishing such
garbage. The plumber might be paying to have the column run as a
subliminal form of advertising, Then the publisher has a real dilemma.

On May 24, 11:59*am, mm wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 06:51:06 -0400, mm
wrote:

Thanks Derby Dad and thanks, everyone.

What about these words:
And for the first question he answers, for someone whose toilet runs,
"You should have your toilet checked for other potential problems.
Many people don't consider all the parts in the tank that can wear out
over time and can cause an even more serious leak through your
ceiling. *A good plumber will assess the overall condition of your
toilet and if it's an older model, can give you options on replacing
it with a lower consumption toilet that will save you even more money
in the end."

I thought the only part that could leak without the user noticing it
is the wax ring, and that normally they last forever. *Until you
remove the toilet for some other reason.

So isn't this false too that all the parts wear out over time and can
cause an even more serious leak?????

I've never had a leak from the tank either, except into the bowl,
which doesn't hurt my ceiling.

How long does the wax ring normally last?

"I thought the only part that could leak without the user noticing
it is the wax ring,

and

"I've never had a leak from the tank either, except into the bowl,
which doesn't hurt my ceiling. "

It may not hurt your ceiling but it could hurt your bank account.

If the tank leaks into the bowl, then eventually the tank will need to
refill. It's very possible that you might not notice it depending on
where the toilet is located and how often you use it. That's just
wasted water.

There are innards with a "leak sentry" - basically a clip and chain
that prevents the float from goin down unless the handle is used.
You'd eventually notice the leak with one of those because the tank
could conceivably empty out completely.

On Tue, 24 May 2011 11:16:13 -0500, JimT wrote:



Personally, I think, some people tend to treat their GD like trash cans
and a lot of the drain clogging issues could be solved by throwing waste
in the trash. Some women (I won't mention any names here) think the GD
is a magic device that can dispose of anything. Common sense tells you
that overuse can lead to problems. It doesn't help when some cities
actually encourage GD use to feed their green agendas.


I've never had a garbage disposal - or a clogged kitchen sink.
Food scraps always go in the garbage can.
I don't get garbage disposals.
Why do they exist?

--Vic

On May 24, 2:43*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 11:16:13 -0500, JimT wrote:

Personally, I think, some people tend to treat their GD like trash cans
and a lot of the drain clogging issues could be solved by throwing waste
in the trash. Some women (I won't mention any names here) think the GD
is a magic device that can dispose of anything. Common sense tells you
that overuse can lead to problems. It doesn't help when some cities
actually encourage GD use to feed their green agendas.

I've never had a garbage disposal - or a clogged kitchen sink.
Food scraps always go in the garbage can.
I don't get garbage disposals.
Why do they exist?

--Vic *

For the convenience of those of us who don't want to scrap every last
piece of waste off of our plates before washing them.

Easily scrapeable (sp?) big stuff I scrape. Stuck on bits of lettuce,
stray kernals of corn, and the pieces of pasta left in the pot I rinse
into the disposal.

Unless of course I feel that the built in disposal in the dishwasher
can handle it.

To each his own.

On 5/24/2011 11:21 AM, Michael Dobony wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 11:45:00 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:

In , wrote:
Is any of this false? Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

False.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

False -- IMO, the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is user error: people
trying to shove too much stuff down the disposal, or stuff that shouldn't be
put down the disposal at all.


I'll second that bigtime. Just like toilets, people treat disposals like
they are a magic way to make stuff go away. If people would scrape the
plates and cooking pots over the trash first, their disposals would last
a whole lot longer. So what if you have to empty the kitchen trash more
often because SWMBO says it stinks? Better that than replacing the
disposal every couple of years. If you have a garden, most of what you
put down disposal should be going in compost pile anyway.

I had a disposal growing up and in first 3 apartments after being out on
my own. Only time they ever jammed is when I stupidly put something
small and metal near sink, and it jumped in there. (a corollary of
Murphy.) Bought this place almost 6 years ago- no disposal. Adding one
was on my to-do list, but hesitated because I was on septic. I don't
even miss it any more, and at this point, will let next owner worry
about it.

--
aem sends...

On Tue, 24 May 2011 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), "hr(bob) "
wrote:

On May 24, 11:43*am, mm wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 11:16:13 -0500, JimT wrote:

Good answers.

Personally, I think, some people tend to treat their GD like trash cans
and a lot of the drain clogging issues could be solved by throwing waste
in the trash. Some women (I won't mention any names here)

We all know who you're talking about.



think the GD
is a magic device that can dispose of anything. Common sense tells you
that overuse can lead to problems. It doesn't help when some cities
actually encourage GD use to feed their green agendas.

Jim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would copy this thread and send it to the publiisher of the local
magazine, politely telling her that the plumber is way off base and
she is hurting the reputation of the magazine by publishing such

Thank you. I was hoping someone would say this, though I might well
have done it even if no one did. I've been out since the last time I
post

garbage. The plumber might be paying to have the column run as a
subliminal form of advertising, Then the publisher has a real dilemma.

I'm pretty sure she'll cancel him even if pays.

It doesn't say "advertisement", on the border in small print. Is that
required? Maybe one only sees it when an ad looks like news. I don't
remember seeing it over a plumbing, etc. advice column. Maybe we are
supposed to know that is advertising.

But my ex, who's very cynical and up on this sort of thing, didnt'
realize how many questions on Jeopardy are paid advertising. They
were too subtle for her.

Even if I finish the letter and write tonight, she's going to take
some time to verify what I say, I'm sure. I'm going to suggest she
look in her own garbaage disposal and her friends'. It's a monthly,
and I have no idea when the deadline for the next issue is.

On Tue, 24 May 2011 13:43:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 24 May 2011 11:16:13 -0500, JimT wrote:



Personally, I think, some people tend to treat their GD like trash cans
and a lot of the drain clogging issues could be solved by throwing waste
in the trash. Some women (I won't mention any names here) think the GD
is a magic device that can dispose of anything. Common sense tells you
that overuse can lead to problems. It doesn't help when some cities
actually encourage GD use to feed their green agendas.


I've never had a garbage disposal - or a clogged kitchen sink.
Food scraps always go in the garbage can.
I don't get garbage disposals.
Why do they exist?

Many of these things, like electric knives and hand held blenders were
created for the industrial or commercial markets, and then cheaper
versions were made for home use. I don't if disposals are in this
category. The place to look would be on the webpage of the first
maker, but sadly, many historic companies say nothing about their past
on their webpages, even when afaik there is nothing to be ashamed of.
(Others do give their history, but sometimes too short to be
interesting, and a few tell really interesting stories.)

I only use mine when little dribs keep the sink from draining, dribs
that are so small they would run right down the drain if the disposal
weren't in the way. I never put grease in the sink or anything else
I shouldn't or in the toilet, and I've never had a clog anywhere in
the house, except IN the disposal, which I clear by turning on the
disposal. Nor did my mother ever have a clog, when I lived with her
and when I didn't. So that's about 108 years between the two of us.

Last time one broke, I thought about getting rid of mine, but I would
need something to make the hole smaller, need to attach it so it
didn't leak, need a pipe to got to the pipe that is there, and then
when I sold the house, the real estate agent would tell me to put one
in.

I also don't really scrape my dishes before the dishwasher. Anything
that will fall off without scraping falls off, but the rest ends up in
that strainer in the bottom, where it gets repeately washed and after
3 or 4 times I think to look there and remove what little I find.
Once om 30 years the small drumstick bone did get past the strainer
and clog the vacuum break which is mounted to the sink, and then the
whole dishwasher wouldn't drain. Took 2 hours to find.



--Vic

On Tue, 24 May 2011 10:58:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 24, 11:59*am, mm wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 06:51:06 -0400, mm
wrote:

Thanks Derby Dad and thanks, everyone.

What about these words:
And for the first question he answers, for someone whose toilet runs,
"You should have your toilet checked for other potential problems.
Many people don't consider all the parts in the tank that can wear out
over time and can cause an even more serious leak through your
ceiling. *A good plumber will assess the overall condition of your
toilet and if it's an older model, can give you options on replacing
it with a lower consumption toilet that will save you even more money
in the end."

I thought the only part that could leak without the user noticing it
is the wax ring, and that normally they last forever. *Until you
remove the toilet for some other reason.

So isn't this false too that all the parts wear out over time and can
cause an even more serious leak?????

I've never had a leak from the tank either, except into the bowl,
which doesn't hurt my ceiling.

How long does the wax ring normally last?

"I thought the only part that could leak without the user noticing
it is the wax ring,

and

"I've never had a leak from the tank either, except into the bowl,
which doesn't hurt my ceiling. "

It may not hurt your ceiling but it could hurt your bank account.

If the tank leaks into the bowl, then eventually the tank will need to
refill. It's very possible that you might not notice it depending on
where the toilet is located and how often you use it. That's just
wasted water.

Well, I would notice mine. I can here the water running in the pipe,
and I visit every bathroom at least once a month and would hear and
see the water running. My point was that there is need to replace the
whole toilet just to stop it from leaking into the bowl. Even if you
might not notice, all one needs to do is replace the --- I forget the
name -- the black rubber thing that goes up, then flops back down and
plugs the tanks and keeps the toilet from running.

There are innards with a "leak sentry" - basically a clip and chain
that prevents the float from goin down unless the handle is used.
You'd eventually notice the leak with one of those because the tank
could conceivably empty out completely.

This could help some people. Maybe me. The sound in my head sounds
like water running in a pipe, so some day I may not be able to tell
real water from the water in my head.

On May 24, 8:28*pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 10:58:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On May 24, 11:59*am, mm wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2011 06:51:06 -0400, mm
wrote:

Thanks Derby Dad and thanks, everyone.

What about these words:
And for the first question he answers, for someone whose toilet runs,
"You should have your toilet checked for other potential problems.
Many people don't consider all the parts in the tank that can wear out
over time and can cause an even more serious leak through your
ceiling. *A good plumber will assess the overall condition of your
toilet and if it's an older model, can give you options on replacing
it with a lower consumption toilet that will save you even more money
in the end."

I thought the only part that could leak without the user noticing it
is the wax ring, and that normally they last forever. *Until you
remove the toilet for some other reason.

So isn't this false too that all the parts wear out over time and can
cause an even more serious leak?????

I've never had a leak from the tank either, except into the bowl,
which doesn't hurt my ceiling.

How long does the wax ring normally last?

"I thought the only part that could leak without the user noticing
it is the wax ring,

and

"I've never had a leak from the tank either, except into the bowl,
which doesn't hurt my ceiling. "

It may not hurt your ceiling but it could hurt your bank account.

If the tank leaks into the bowl, then eventually the tank will need to
refill. It's very possible that you might not notice it depending on
where the toilet is located and how often you use it. That's just
wasted water.

Well, I would notice mine. *I can here the water running in the pipe,
and I visit every bathroom at least once a month and would hear and
see the water running. *My point was that there is need to replace the
whole toilet just to stop it from leaking into the bowl. * Even if you
might not notice, all one needs to do is replace the --- I forget the
name -- the black rubber thing that goes up, then flops back down and
plugs the tanks and keeps the toilet from running.



There are innards with a "leak sentry" - basically a clip and chain
that prevents the float from goin down unless the handle is used.
You'd eventually notice the leak with one of those because the tank
could conceivably empty out completely.

This could help some people. *Maybe me. *The sound in my head sounds
like water running in a pipe, so some day I may not be able to tell
real water from the water in my head. *

"My point was that there is need to replace the whole toilet just
to stop it from leaking into the bowl."

I'm not defending the "plumber" in the article, but I think you may
have missed the point.

I did not read what was written to mean that the plumber was going to
replace the toilet regardless of what the problem was. I read it to
mean that as part of the evaluation of the problem, the plumber might
recommend replacing an older toilet with a water saving model instead
of repairing the old one.

He comes in to determine the cause of the leak and finds that it's a
simple fix - the flapper. He also notices a hairline, but not leaking,
crack in the tank, or maybe more rust than he likes around the bolts
that hold the tank to the bowl, or maybe the johnny bolts are so
rusted he's afraid that the toilet might loosen up.

As it says, he will "assess the overall condition of your toilet and
if it's an older model"..."give you options on replacing it with a
lower consumption toilet."

It doesn't say he was going to walk in and rip it out, leaving you
with no choice but to replace it. It even specifically says he would
only offer you replacement options if it was an *older* model.

I see nothing wrong with those statements. In fact, I think a plumber
would be remiss if he didn't suggest a water saving toilet as a option
over the repair of an older model.

In article
,
DerbyDad03 wrote:

Easily scrapeable (sp?) big stuff I scrape. Stuck on bits of lettuce,
stray kernals of corn, and the pieces of pasta left in the pot I rinse
into the disposal.

All that stuff and more goes down my drain every day, and never had a
clog. I, too, don't get disposals. I rarely use the sink strainer, but
when I do, I empty it not in the trash but in the drain. Think about the
size of the drain pipe. Pretty hard to put anything big enough to clog
it down there.

On May 25, 10:34*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,

*DerbyDad03 wrote:
Easily scrapeable (sp?) big stuff I scrape. Stuck on bits of lettuce,
stray kernals of corn, and the pieces of pasta left in the pot I rinse
into the disposal.

All that stuff and more goes down my drain every day, and never had a
clog. I, too, don't get disposals. I rarely use the sink strainer, but
when I do, I empty it not in the trash but in the drain. Think about the
size of the drain pipe. Pretty hard to put anything big enough to clog
it down there.

Think about the size of the drain pipe. Pretty hard to put
anything big enough to clog it down there."

Shortly after I moved into my house, which was about 30 years old at
the time, I decided to install a garbage disposal as a house-warming
gift to the wife.

The kitchen drain was 2" galvanized pipe which went down into the
basement and then ran about 6' to the main stack.

By the time I was done, I had replaced all of the galvanized pipe with
PVC. The entire length of pipe from the trap and beyond had barely a
1/2" wide spiraling tunnel through a thick mass of gunk and grease.

I cut the longest section of pipe into 2 foot lengths and you couldn't
see a speck of light through any of the sections.

I'm surprised the sink even drained and there was no way I was going
to add ground-up foodstuff and not expect it to clog the pipe within a
very short period of time.

YMMV

On May 24, 9:16*am, JimT wrote:
On 5/24/2011 5:10 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:









On May 24, 3:41 am, *wrote:
On May 24, 2:34 am, *wrote:

Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?
"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.
Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.
Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.
A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"
This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.
Q: *"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

A. *You would have to have some extreme water chemistry issues
going on for that to be truthful... *So bad in fact that your copper
water piping would be springing leaks if you sneezed too hard or
slammed a door...

Q. *Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen sink clogs is
old disposals.

A. *Dull blades would mean your disposal would have to work harder
and longer to clear what you put down into it... *Rusted blades ?
Well I mean that could effect performance maybe but not by much
a rusty knife will still cut things...

As far as the number one cause of kitchen sink clogs being old
disposals, I would disagree, it more often has to do with what
is being ground up by the disposal and the failure to allow enough
time to wash the ground up food particles through your home's
drain lines... *I have seen problems especially in homes where
Rice is a major portion of the diet with ground up Rice sticking
in the drain lines and reforming into a solid clog if it is allowed
to sit in the pipe... *It all depends on where the clog forms...
Clogs are less likely with any disposal if you allow the water
to run for a little bit of time after the disposal clears itself of
food waste...

Q. *Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down
there simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A. *It is not so much that the blades are sharp, it is that they are
there sweeping around the perforated edges of the disposal to
grind the food against that outer edge... *Works by brute force
sort of like the grinding machines which can turn an old car
into confetti...

It is true that smaller food stuffs like rice grains can sometimes
fit past the perforations in the outer edge of the disposal chamber
and yes they would be more likely to clog your pipes especially
farther down the drain lines if any hair gets past the traps in your
bathroom fixtures...

Q. *A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and
look down into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see
any blades?

A. *The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of
darker metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of
your disposal... *Most people who might be looking into
their disposal with a flashlight might not know that the
"blades" along with the perforated disc are what get rid
of the food, it is not like a food processor which has
actual sharp blades or anything like that... *If you could
visibly see rust or corrosion in your disposal you have
water chemistry issues you need to deal with or you
are looking into an extremely old disposal...

~~ Evan
"The "blades" are usually two short and strong pieces of darker
metal bolted onto the steel disc at the bottom of your disposal"

Those parts are commonly referred to as the impellers, not blades.

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years."

I can't imagine that anyone would claim that the impellers would rust
off in 2 to 4 years. They ask "Can you see any blades?" For the
impellers to completely disappear in 2 to 4 years is pretty close to
impossible.

By blades, I assume that they are referring to the sharp protrusions
on the shredder ring.

That said, for the shredder ring to have lost all it's "blades" in 2
to 4 years seems a bit far fetched also.

Good answers.

Personally, I think, some people tend to treat their GD like trash cans
and a lot of the drain clogging issues could be solved by throwing waste
in the trash. Some women (I won't mention any names here) think the GD
is a magic device that can dispose of anything. Common sense tells you
that overuse can lead to problems. It doesn't help when some cities
actually encourage GD use to feed their green agendas.

Jim

I'm with you, Jim. Our disposals last & last because we put very
little down them. Periodically we grind up lemon rinds for
"sterility". We put veg. waste in a crock and then out to the compost
heap. Bones, meat & fat go in the garbage can.

I hadn't heard of cities encouraging GD use "to feed their green
agendas". Sounds counter-intuitive.
Do you have any real live city examples I could check out? Inquiring
minds...

HB

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...

stuff snipped

There are innards with a "leak sentry" - basically a clip and chain
that prevents the float from goin down unless the handle is used.
You'd eventually notice the leak with one of those because the tank
could conceivably empty out completely.

I am having trouble visualizing this. Do you have a brand name or some oth
.. . .

Never mind, I just checked Google. I coudn't imagine how that worked with a
big lever action ball type float. It doesn't. (-: It's a columnar float.

http://www.amazon.com/Fluidmaster-40.../dp/B000BQUHUQ

--
Bobby G.

On May 26, 5:49*pm, LSMFT wrote:
mm wrote:
Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.


Disposals are unnecessary.


So are cell phones, HD-TV's, pets, ice cream, my wife's flower
gardens, and gas grills.

But you what? I'm glad I have at least one of each of those items.

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...
On May 26, 5:49 pm, LSMFT wrote:
mm wrote:
Is any of this false? Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.


Disposals are unnecessary.


So are cell phones, HD-TV's, pets, ice cream, my wife's flower
gardens, and gas grills.

But you what? I'm glad I have at least one of each of those items.

But me what what? (0:

--
Bobby G.

On Thu, 26 May 2011 17:22:59 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 26, 5:49*pm, LSMFT wrote:
mm wrote:
Is any of this false? *Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. *Do you see rust and corrosion? *Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.


Disposals are unnecessary.


So are cell phones, HD-TV's, pets, ice cream, my wife's flower
gardens, and gas grills.

Wives aren't necessary, either.

But you what? I'm glad I have at least one of each of those items.

Good thing you don't have more than one of each. Wives get cranky,
particularly if they're all yours.

On May 26, 11:45*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2011 17:22:59 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:









On May 26, 5:49 pm, LSMFT wrote:
mm wrote:
Is any of this false? Is any of this true?

"Most disposals of are of a builders-grade quality, and the blades
rust off within two to four years.

Dull or rusted blades mean that your disposal may sound like it is
working but it's not. The number one cause of kitchen singk clogs is
old disposals.

Without sharp blades or blades at all, the food you put down there
simply goes right into the drain, causing potential for future
stoppage.

A simple test for most disposals is to take a flashlight and look down
into it. Do you see rust and corrosion? Can you see any blades?"

This is part of a column in a local magazine, written by a plumber,
who gives his email address and url.

Disposals are unnecessary.

So are cell phones, HD-TV's, pets, ice cream, my wife's flower
gardens, and gas grills.

Wives aren't necessary, either.

But you what? I'm glad I have at least one of each of those items.

Good thing you don't have more than one of each. *Wives get cranky,
particularly if they're all yours.

I was going to add that wives aren't necessary but in my case she is.