"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local bank? Or
had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The one
thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of receipt for
what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the person who has the box
has a key to it. The only way the bank could get into it is if the
rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will be
greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in there.
You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2 copies of
the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of yours and you have
to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite pricey as the lock has to
be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates or the
like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall correctly. Old coins
or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart enough not
to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't really keep
anything important on my computer." That's until the thing breaks and then
it's "OMG all my family photos were on that thing."

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local bank?
Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The one
thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of receipt
for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the person who has
the box has a key to it. The only way the bank could get into it is
if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of yours
and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite pricey
as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates or
the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall correctly.
Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the thing
breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is very
inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local bank?
Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The one
thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of receipt
for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the person who has
the box has a key to it. The only way the bank could get into it is
if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of yours
and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite pricey
as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates or
the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall correctly.
Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the thing
breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is very
inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite
pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates
or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall
correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the
thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that
thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.

On 3/3/2011 10:31 AM, Red Green wrote:
wrote in
:

wrote in message
m...

"Bob wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local bank?
Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The one
thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of receipt
for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the person who has
the box has a key to it. The only way the bank could get into it is
if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of yours
and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite pricey
as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates or
the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall correctly.
Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the thing
breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is very
inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

In article ,
George wrote:

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

George Orwell seriously underestimated the magnitude of the machine. And
it isn't just Big Brother who's watching, Little Brother is too. That
facebook ****wad has a bigger dossier on more people than the FBI does,
built with data happily submitted by every idiot out there.

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite
pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates
or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall
correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the
thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that
thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy as
opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.

On 3/3/2011 12:05 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Red wrote in message
...
wrote in
:

"Red wrote in message
...
wrote in
:

wrote in message
m...

"Bob wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite
pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates
or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall
correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the
thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that
thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy as
opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.


Maybe you forgot that most equipment carries an operating spec and a
storage spec? Typically the storage spec is much more liberal.

On 3/3/2011 11:36 AM, George wrote:
(snip)
Secured online backup probably may best way.

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

Call me a luddite- I want the CPU, the software, and the storage,
sitting in front of me where I can beat on it. Yes, I am lax about
backups, but there truly is nothing on this spindle I can't live
without. Critical stuff gets burned to disk as I create it, and I simply
don't create that much critical stuff at home. More or less the same at
work- they do back up the assigned work spaces on the shared drives, but
anything important I burn a CD anyway.

--
aem sends...

On 3/3/2011 11:47 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In ,
wrote:

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

George Orwell seriously underestimated the magnitude of the machine. And
it isn't just Big Brother who's watching, Little Brother is too. That
facebook ****wad has a bigger dossier on more people than the FBI does,
built with data happily submitted by every idiot out there.

That FF is trying to create his own gated community mini-internet, which
I like to call the biggest damn BBS the world has ever seen. I do have a
page out there to shut up my young relatives, but I have put zero
personal data on there, and never will.

--
aem sends...

"George" wrote in message
...
On 3/3/2011 12:05 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Red wrote in message
...
wrote in
:

"Red wrote in message
...
wrote in
:

wrote in message
m...

"Bob wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite
pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates
or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall
correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the
thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that
thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy as
opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.



Maybe you forgot that most equipment carries an operating spec and a
storage spec? Typically the storage spec is much more liberal.

True, but are you saying this means it's smart to take chances with what
might be valuable data, by storing it in a place where (depending on
climate) the temperature ranges from 0 to 100 degrees Fahrenheit?

Be careful with your next response. This is a trap.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:08:51 -0500, aemeijers wrote:

On 3/3/2011 11:47 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In ,
wrote:

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

George Orwell seriously underestimated the magnitude of the machine. And
it isn't just Big Brother who's watching, Little Brother is too. That
facebook ****wad has a bigger dossier on more people than the FBI does,
built with data happily submitted by every idiot out there.

That FF is trying to create his own gated community mini-internet, which
I like to call the biggest damn BBS the world has ever seen. I do have a
page out there to shut up my young relatives, but I have put zero
personal data on there, and never will.

I've just ignored their pleas. They have my phone number and email address.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:02:49 -0500, aemeijers wrote:

On 3/3/2011 11:36 AM, George wrote:
(snip)
Secured online backup probably may best way.

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

Call me a luddite- I want the CPU, the software, and the storage,
sitting in front of me where I can beat on it. Yes, I am lax about
backups, but there truly is nothing on this spindle I can't live
without. Critical stuff gets burned to disk as I create it, and I simply
don't create that much critical stuff at home. More or less the same at
work- they do back up the assigned work spaces on the shared drives, but
anything important I burn a CD anyway.

I don't have so much that's "critical", but I do have a lot of information I'd
rather not lose (pictures, music library, email). My ThinkPad has a backup
utility that runs once a week. The backup gets put on a couple of 500GB
drives (one copied to the other). It's gotten be out of a jam a number of
times. I don't trust CDs. I've had several go bad.

On 3/3/2011 7:02 PM, aemeijers wrote:
On 3/3/2011 11:36 AM, George wrote:
(snip)
Secured online backup probably may best way.

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

Call me a luddite- I want the CPU, the software, and the storage,
sitting in front of me where I can beat on it. Yes, I am lax about
backups, but there truly is nothing on this spindle I can't live
without. Critical stuff gets burned to disk as I create it, and I simply
don't create that much critical stuff at home. More or less the same at
work- they do back up the assigned work spaces on the shared drives, but
anything important I burn a CD anyway.

I think it has nothing to do with being a luddite. I embrace technology
but I also value privacy and security.

I am not going to violate common sense rules simply because for example
a zero knowledge radio host tells me I should just because they are
being paid to pimp something they don't understand.

Secured online backup probably may best way.
Call me a luddite- I want the CPU, the software,
and the storage, sitting in front of me

The problem with online backups is you don't always have access to the
internet. In fact, my connection went down for about 5 hours yesterday.
Rare, but it happens. If I needed to recover a file I would be out of luck
until the connection resumes.

Also, if you have a complete drive failure and need to rebuild, you
wouldn't be able to access the net to restore your backup. With a local
image backup on an external drive I can restore quickly and easily.

there truly is nothing on this spindle I can't live without.

Even if you don't keep personal records, music, video, photos, etc., you
still have many personal settings, bookmarks, and whatnot that are a major
hassle to reconfigure when things go wrong.

anything important I burn a CD anyway.

CDR's (and DVDR's) are notoriously unreliable for long term storage. I
have had so many disks fail on me after relatively short storage (less than
a year) that I gave up on them years ago. I only use CD/DVD's for quick
storage such as mailing a disk to others.

A USB flash drive will give you more storage, in less space, and is
reusable. But, the long term storage is uncertain also.

I personally use two external 1TB USB hard drives to make full image
backups of my hard drive at least once a week. I keep one in my desk for
quickly recovering from simple accidents, then swap it once a month or so
with the second drive I keep in my safe deposit box at the bank.

Anthony Watson
Mountain Software
www.mountain-software.com

In article ,
HerHusband wrote:

Also, if you have a complete drive failure and need to rebuild, you
wouldn't be able to access the net to restore your backup. With a local
image backup on an external drive I can restore quickly and easily.


FWIW I clone the entire computer to a HD (so I can boot from the other
HD if needed) and use off-line for specific stuff like my photos, my
business files, etc. I also have a zip drive for specific biz files (I
am a writer so I tend to save articles to the zip file when I am done
writing on them for that session). That way I have the clone if
everything goes all fershugina, the zip drive for minor melt downs on
current projects, and the off-site in case of fire, flood, earthquake or
pestilence. I am a belt and suspenders kind of guy (grin).

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments
will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets
quite pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock
certificates or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I
recall correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I
don't really keep anything important on my computer." That's until
the thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on
that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy
as opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.



Do you really think that anyone f'n stupid enough to break in the Possum
Van would have the IQ to know what it is?

Note to would be Possum Van molesters: It's unlocked.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

stuff snipped

everything goes all fershugina, the zip drive for minor melt downs on
current projects, and the off-site in case of fire, flood, earthquake or
pestilence. I am a belt and suspenders kind of guy (grin).

Since Google shows only 13 hits for "fershugina" and at least four of them
are yours, I have to conclude that it's not a real word. I've been
searching through the Yiddish dictionary for a while now with no hits:

http://www.yiddishdictionaryonline.com/

Perhaps you're thinking of

meshugener meh?shoog'?en?er / meh?shig'?en?er (m.)
madman, crazy person, lunatic

There's another list ( http://thomer.com/yiddish/) that gives us:

Farshlugginer: Refers to a mixed-up or shaken item. Generally indicates
something of little or dubious value.

That sounds a little closer to the mark.

Of course, that second list says:

Mashugga: Crazy

while the first list decries that Yiddish has no double letters (apparently
not true in multiple dimensions).

Actually, your spelling is Italish or Yidian, a combination of Yiddish and
Italian found mostly in neighborhoods like Boro Park and Bay Ridge in
Brooklyn where Jews and Italians lived side-by-side for decades.

Even the Urban Dictionary didn't have anything for "fershugina" - this was
as close as it got:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=fershizzle

--
Bobby G.

In article ,
"Robert Green" wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

stuff snipped

everything goes all fershugina, the zip drive for minor melt downs on
current projects, and the off-site in case of fire, flood, earthquake or
pestilence. I am a belt and suspenders kind of guy (grin).

Since Google shows only 13 hits for "fershugina" and at least four of them
are yours, I have to conclude that it's not a real word. I've been
searching through the Yiddish dictionary for a while now with no hits:

It was something I picked up from Mad Magazine WAYYYYY back in the
day. They had various kinda-sorta-but-not-quite Yiddish words that they
would use. IIRC (and I can't find my copy of Ridiculously Expensive Mad
right off to confirm) I first saw it in a Wallace Wood take-off called
BatBoy and Rubin. I probably fractured even their spelling over the
years. I liked the sound and thought it went well with what was trying
to be communicated (grin).




--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:05:19 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Red Green" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"Red Green" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
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Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite
pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates
or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall
correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the
thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that
thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy as
opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.

I bought a 16 gig flash drive at a swap meet, for about 1/2 the normal
price. It would accept data, but forget it within a few minutes.
Once I made it from the second floor to the basement with a few files,
but usually it wouldn't be there when I got there.

It was a no-name brand, but still.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Robert Green" wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

stuff snipped

everything goes all fershugina, the zip drive for minor melt downs on
current projects, and the off-site in case of fire, flood, earthquake
or
pestilence. I am a belt and suspenders kind of guy (grin).

Since Google shows only 13 hits for "fershugina" and at least four of
them
are yours, I have to conclude that it's not a real word. I've been
searching through the Yiddish dictionary for a while now with no hits:

It was something I picked up from Mad Magazine WAYYYYY back in the
day. They had various kinda-sorta-but-not-quite Yiddish words that they
would use. IIRC (and I can't find my copy of Ridiculously Expensive Mad
right off to confirm) I first saw it in a Wallace Wood take-off called
BatBoy and Rubin. I probably fractured even their spelling over the
years. I liked the sound and thought it went well with what was trying
to be communicated (grin).

After I pressed send I realized that I had seen something like it before in
Mad. I think it's one of many Yiddish words that got "repurposed" for use
in the magazine.

furshlugginer
An aracane adjective used as an expletive in the earliest issues of Mad
magazine (e.g. 1950's) - comparable to "garshdarned" (see examples).
However, maybe it's true that it was also used to mean 'asshat' later on, as
claimed above.) Possibly a parody of some German or Yiddish word, I suspect.
Correct spelling may actually be 'furshluggenner'.
1) What the hell IS that furshlugginer thing?!?
2) Get that furshlugginer thing out of here!
3) Why would anyone waste their time on a furshlugginer thing like that?!?

Potrezebie was another such word.

Mystery solved!

--
Bobby G.

Kurt Ullman wrote in
m:

In article ,
HerHusband wrote:

Also, if you have a complete drive failure and need to rebuild, you
wouldn't be able to access the net to restore your backup. With a
local image backup on an external drive I can restore quickly and
easily.


FWIW I clone the entire computer to a HD (so I can boot from the
other
HD if needed) and use off-line for specific stuff like my photos, my
===
snip

What software and hardware would you recommend for cloneing (cloning?)
the computer hard drive? I use Windows XP on a desktop. I do back up
files occasionally on a USB external hard drive, but have never made a
bootable clone.

Thanks,

Tom

What software and hardware would you recommend for cloneing (cloning?)
the computer hard drive? I use Windows XP on a desktop. I do back up
files occasionally on a USB external hard drive, but have never made a
bootable clone.

I have used HD Clone with great results:

http://www.miray.de/products/sat.hdclone.html

It looks like they have made many improvements since I last used it, so I
might have to check it out again.

I normally use Macrium Reflect for day to day image backups.

Anthony

mm wrote in
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:05:19 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters.
The one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind
of receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments
will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets
quite pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock
certificates or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I
recall correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I
don't really keep anything important on my computer." That's
until the thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos
were on that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy
as opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.

I bought a 16 gig flash drive at a swap meet, for about 1/2 the normal
price. It would accept data, but forget it within a few minutes.
Once I made it from the second floor to the basement with a few files,
but usually it wouldn't be there when I got there.

It was a no-name brand, but still.


Well, I may get burned. It's possible. Better than nothing.

"Red Green" wrote in message
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mm wrote in
:

On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:05:19 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Red Green" wrote in message
.. .
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters.
The one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind
of receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments
will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets
quite pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock
certificates or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I
recall correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I
don't really keep anything important on my computer." That's
until the thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos
were on that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy
as opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.

I bought a 16 gig flash drive at a swap meet, for about 1/2 the normal
price. It would accept data, but forget it within a few minutes.
Once I made it from the second floor to the basement with a few files,
but usually it wouldn't be there when I got there.

It was a no-name brand, but still.


Well, I may get burned. It's possible. Better than nothing.

Actually, it's not better than nothing.

On Sat, 05 Mar 2011 09:17:21 -0600, Tom Cantwell wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote in
om:

In article ,
HerHusband wrote:

Also, if you have a complete drive failure and need to rebuild, you
wouldn't be able to access the net to restore your backup. With a
local image backup on an external drive I can restore quickly and
easily.


FWIW I clone the entire computer to a HD (so I can boot from the
other
HD if needed) and use off-line for specific stuff like my photos, my
===
snip

What software and hardware would you recommend for cloneing (cloning?)
the computer hard drive? I use Windows XP on a desktop. I do back up
files occasionally on a USB external hard drive, but have never made a
bootable clone.

I used Partition Magic because it would do a lot more, but others have had
good luck with Ghost.

I believe that the law and banking procedures changed in the last
couple of years so checks clear almost immediately, electronically,
without having to ship checks across the country to be manually
entered and cleared.

So it no longer works to draw checks on far-away banks, as far as
clearing goes. (when it comes to your own bank giving you credit for
the funds, that's a different story as I don't know if that law has
changed, but that's an issue for the recipient of the funds, not the
payer)

On 3/5/2011 10:15 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 05 Mar 2011 09:17:21 -0600, Tom wrote:

Kurt wrote in
m:

In ,
wrote:

Also, if you have a complete drive failure and need to rebuild, you
wouldn't be able to access the net to restore your backup. With a
local image backup on an external drive I can restore quickly and
easily.


FWIW I clone the entire computer to a HD (so I can boot from the
other
HD if needed) and use off-line for specific stuff like my photos, my
===
snip

What software and hardware would you recommend for cloneing (cloning?)
the computer hard drive? I use Windows XP on a desktop. I do back up
files occasionally on a USB external hard drive, but have never made a
bootable clone.

I used Partition Magic because it would do a lot more, but others have had
good luck with Ghost.

Older versions of Ghost, yes, as long as the drives involved are small
enough for it to deal with. (I still have a copy in my toolkit, and use
it for cloning XP boxes.) The later Ghost, after they got eaten by
Norton/Symantec, not so much. Big and bloated and much more complex to
use. I don't think it was even the same program- they just bought the
name because of the good rep it had, and stuck it on their own inferior
programming.

--
aem sends...