"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local bank? Or
had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The one
thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of receipt for
what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the person who has the box
has a key to it. The only way the bank could get into it is if the
rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will be
greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in there.
You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2 copies of
the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of yours and you have
to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite pricey as the lock has to
be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates or the
like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall correctly. Old coins
or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart enough not
to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't really keep
anything important on my computer." That's until the thing breaks and then
it's "OMG all my family photos were on that thing."

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local bank?
Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The one
thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of receipt
for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the person who has
the box has a key to it. The only way the bank could get into it is
if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of yours
and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite pricey
as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates or
the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall correctly.
Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the thing
breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is very
inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local bank?
Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The one
thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of receipt
for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the person who has
the box has a key to it. The only way the bank could get into it is
if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of yours
and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite pricey
as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates or
the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall correctly.
Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the thing
breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is very
inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite
pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates
or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall
correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the
thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that
thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite
pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates
or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall
correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the
thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that
thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy as
opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.

On 3/3/2011 12:05 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Red wrote in message
...
wrote in
:

"Red wrote in message
...
wrote in
:

wrote in message
m...

"Bob wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite
pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates
or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall
correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the
thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that
thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy as
opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.


Maybe you forgot that most equipment carries an operating spec and a
storage spec? Typically the storage spec is much more liberal.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments
will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets
quite pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock
certificates or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I
recall correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I
don't really keep anything important on my computer." That's until
the thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on
that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy
as opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.



Do you really think that anyone f'n stupid enough to break in the Possum
Van would have the IQ to know what it is?

Note to would be Possum Van molesters: It's unlocked.

On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:05:19 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"Bob R" wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local
bank? Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The
one thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of
receipt for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the
person who has the box has a key to it. The only way the bank
could get into it is if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of
yours and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite
pricey as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates
or the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall
correctly. Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the
thing breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that
thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is
very inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

Glovebox: Hot. Cold. Stupid.




Hot.

Works

Cold.

Works

Stupid.

OK. Been doing it for years. Same thumbdrive survived summers in
southern NC and winters in northern VT. Hmmm, Jan 24th 2011 it was
-25.8. Lemme check it....

[puts reply in drafts]

OK fine.


Famous last words. Remember, too, that breaking into cars is as easy as
opening a refrigerator, but just slightly more noisy.

I bought a 16 gig flash drive at a swap meet, for about 1/2 the normal
price. It would accept data, but forget it within a few minutes.
Once I made it from the second floor to the basement with a few files,
but usually it wouldn't be there when I got there.

It was a no-name brand, but still.

On 3/3/2011 10:31 AM, Red Green wrote:
wrote in
:

wrote in message
m...

"Bob wrote in message
...

Does anyone in the group have a safety deposit box at a local bank?
Or had one in the past?

I checked at a local bank here (Upstate N.Y.) if it matters. The one
thing I don't like about it, is you don't get any kind of receipt
for what you put in it. Also, the bank says only the person who has
the box has a key to it. The only way the bank could get into it is
if the rental fee is not kept current.

So, good or bad idea to get one? Any opinions and or comments will
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Bob


You don't get a receipt because no one but you knows what is in
there. You open it, add or remove stuff in a private cubicle.

They require two keys to open. The bank keeps one and you get 2
copies of the other. The three keys are different. Lose one of yours
and you have to pay a rekey fee. Lose both and it gets quite pricey
as the lock has to be drilled and rekeyed.

Great place to keep small, irreplaceable items, stock certificates or
the like. Keeping cash in one is not legal if I recall correctly.
Old coins or the like is not the cash I mean.

Colbyt



It's also a good place to keep data backup media, if one is smart
enough not to believe the Ultimate Stupid Computer Concept: "I don't
really keep anything important on my computer." That's until the thing
breaks and then it's "OMG all my family photos were on that thing."



IMO a safe deposit box is overkill for this as well as updating is very
inconvenient.

16 or 32gb thumbdrive. Backup (encrypt sensitive stuff). Toss in
glovebox. Update at will. Good enough for me.

Secured online backup probably may best way.

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

In article ,
George wrote:

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

George Orwell seriously underestimated the magnitude of the machine. And
it isn't just Big Brother who's watching, Little Brother is too. That
facebook ****wad has a bigger dossier on more people than the FBI does,
built with data happily submitted by every idiot out there.

On 3/3/2011 11:47 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In ,
wrote:

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

George Orwell seriously underestimated the magnitude of the machine. And
it isn't just Big Brother who's watching, Little Brother is too. That
facebook ****wad has a bigger dossier on more people than the FBI does,
built with data happily submitted by every idiot out there.

That FF is trying to create his own gated community mini-internet, which
I like to call the biggest damn BBS the world has ever seen. I do have a
page out there to shut up my young relatives, but I have put zero
personal data on there, and never will.

--
aem sends...

On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:08:51 -0500, aemeijers wrote:

On 3/3/2011 11:47 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In ,
wrote:

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

George Orwell seriously underestimated the magnitude of the machine. And
it isn't just Big Brother who's watching, Little Brother is too. That
facebook ****wad has a bigger dossier on more people than the FBI does,
built with data happily submitted by every idiot out there.

That FF is trying to create his own gated community mini-internet, which
I like to call the biggest damn BBS the world has ever seen. I do have a
page out there to shut up my young relatives, but I have put zero
personal data on there, and never will.

I've just ignored their pleas. They have my phone number and email address.

On 3/3/2011 11:36 AM, George wrote:
(snip)
Secured online backup probably may best way.

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

Call me a luddite- I want the CPU, the software, and the storage,
sitting in front of me where I can beat on it. Yes, I am lax about
backups, but there truly is nothing on this spindle I can't live
without. Critical stuff gets burned to disk as I create it, and I simply
don't create that much critical stuff at home. More or less the same at
work- they do back up the assigned work spaces on the shared drives, but
anything important I burn a CD anyway.

--
aem sends...

On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:02:49 -0500, aemeijers wrote:

On 3/3/2011 11:36 AM, George wrote:
(snip)
Secured online backup probably may best way.

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

Call me a luddite- I want the CPU, the software, and the storage,
sitting in front of me where I can beat on it. Yes, I am lax about
backups, but there truly is nothing on this spindle I can't live
without. Critical stuff gets burned to disk as I create it, and I simply
don't create that much critical stuff at home. More or less the same at
work- they do back up the assigned work spaces on the shared drives, but
anything important I burn a CD anyway.

I don't have so much that's "critical", but I do have a lot of information I'd
rather not lose (pictures, music library, email). My ThinkPad has a backup
utility that runs once a week. The backup gets put on a couple of 500GB
drives (one copied to the other). It's gotten be out of a jam a number of
times. I don't trust CDs. I've had several go bad.

On 3/3/2011 7:02 PM, aemeijers wrote:
On 3/3/2011 11:36 AM, George wrote:
(snip)
Secured online backup probably may best way.

How would you know it is "secure"? Serious question, one of the most
fundamental things about security is keeping physical possession. But
now all of the"cloud" marketing departments are busy telling us that
isn't true and we can trust "the cloud" since obviously it is totally
secure...

Call me a luddite- I want the CPU, the software, and the storage,
sitting in front of me where I can beat on it. Yes, I am lax about
backups, but there truly is nothing on this spindle I can't live
without. Critical stuff gets burned to disk as I create it, and I simply
don't create that much critical stuff at home. More or less the same at
work- they do back up the assigned work spaces on the shared drives, but
anything important I burn a CD anyway.

I think it has nothing to do with being a luddite. I embrace technology
but I also value privacy and security.

I am not going to violate common sense rules simply because for example
a zero knowledge radio host tells me I should just because they are
being paid to pimp something they don't understand.

Secured online backup probably may best way.
Call me a luddite- I want the CPU, the software,
and the storage, sitting in front of me

The problem with online backups is you don't always have access to the
internet. In fact, my connection went down for about 5 hours yesterday.
Rare, but it happens. If I needed to recover a file I would be out of luck
until the connection resumes.

Also, if you have a complete drive failure and need to rebuild, you
wouldn't be able to access the net to restore your backup. With a local
image backup on an external drive I can restore quickly and easily.

there truly is nothing on this spindle I can't live without.

Even if you don't keep personal records, music, video, photos, etc., you
still have many personal settings, bookmarks, and whatnot that are a major
hassle to reconfigure when things go wrong.

anything important I burn a CD anyway.

CDR's (and DVDR's) are notoriously unreliable for long term storage. I
have had so many disks fail on me after relatively short storage (less than
a year) that I gave up on them years ago. I only use CD/DVD's for quick
storage such as mailing a disk to others.

A USB flash drive will give you more storage, in less space, and is
reusable. But, the long term storage is uncertain also.

I personally use two external 1TB USB hard drives to make full image
backups of my hard drive at least once a week. I keep one in my desk for
quickly recovering from simple accidents, then swap it once a month or so
with the second drive I keep in my safe deposit box at the bank.

Anthony Watson
Mountain Software
www.mountain-software.com

In article ,
HerHusband wrote:

Also, if you have a complete drive failure and need to rebuild, you
wouldn't be able to access the net to restore your backup. With a local
image backup on an external drive I can restore quickly and easily.


FWIW I clone the entire computer to a HD (so I can boot from the other
HD if needed) and use off-line for specific stuff like my photos, my
business files, etc. I also have a zip drive for specific biz files (I
am a writer so I tend to save articles to the zip file when I am done
writing on them for that session). That way I have the clone if
everything goes all fershugina, the zip drive for minor melt downs on
current projects, and the off-site in case of fire, flood, earthquake or
pestilence. I am a belt and suspenders kind of guy (grin).

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke