I just installed a storm door this weekend. The door came from the
manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for the top and one for
the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the door-end
of the closure or if the window is lowered exposing the retractable
screen. It just misses latching by about 1/8" if the entry door is
closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door closed, I have
to set the closures so that it slams when the entry door is open.

If I adjust the strike plate outward, then the door doesn't seal as
tightly against the weather stripping.

How do I find the happy medium between all of these variables?

BTW...since this storm door has retractable screens, there is really
no correct "seasonal" setting for the closure pin. The screens might
be used one day but not the next and could be exposed from 1/2" to 1/2
the door. I'm using the "storm in" hole since odds are there will
always be more window than screen.

On May 24, 1:48*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I just installed a storm door this weekend. *The door came from the
manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for the top and one for
the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the door-end
of the closure or if the window is lowered exposing the retractable
screen. It just misses latching by about 1/8" if the entry door is
closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door closed, I have
to set the closures so that it slams when the entry door is open.

If I adjust the strike plate outward, then the door doesn't seal as
tightly against the weather stripping.

How do I find the happy medium between all of these variables?

BTW...since this storm door has retractable screens, there is really
no correct "seasonal" setting for the closure pin. The screens might
be used one day but not the next and could be exposed from 1/2" to 1/2
the door. I'm using the "storm in" hole since odds are there will
always be more window than screen.

Sounds like air is being trapped between the entry door and storm door
when trying to close, thus slowing down the storm door. Try pulling
down the screen a bit to have air escape when closing the door, or
perhaps adjust the weatherstripping at the bottom to have some air
escape.

Mikepier wrote:
On May 24, 1:48 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I just installed a storm door this weekend. The door came from the
manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for the top and one for
the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the door-end
of the closure or if the window is lowered exposing the retractable
screen. It just misses latching by about 1/8" if the entry door is
closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door closed, I have
to set the closures so that it slams when the entry door is open.

If I adjust the strike plate outward, then the door doesn't seal as
tightly against the weather stripping.

How do I find the happy medium between all of these variables?

BTW...since this storm door has retractable screens, there is really
no correct "seasonal" setting for the closure pin. The screens might
be used one day but not the next and could be exposed from 1/2" to 1/2
the door. I'm using the "storm in" hole since odds are there will
always be more window than screen.

Sounds like air is being trapped between the entry door and storm door
when trying to close, thus slowing down the storm door. Try pulling
down the screen a bit to have air escape when closing the door, or
perhaps adjust the weatherstripping at the bottom to have some air
escape.

Had friend with same problem and trapped air was the answer.

On May 24, 2:37*pm, Mikepier wrote:
On May 24, 1:48*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:





I just installed a storm door this weekend. *The door came from the
manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for the top and one for
the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the door-end
of the closure or if the window is lowered exposing the retractable
screen. It just misses latching by about 1/8" if the entry door is
closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door closed, I have
to set the closures so that it slams when the entry door is open.

If I adjust the strike plate outward, then the door doesn't seal as
tightly against the weather stripping.

How do I find the happy medium between all of these variables?

BTW...since this storm door has retractable screens, there is really
no correct "seasonal" setting for the closure pin. The screens might
be used one day but not the next and could be exposed from 1/2" to 1/2
the door. I'm using the "storm in" hole since odds are there will
always be more window than screen.

Sounds like air is being trapped between the entry door and storm door
when trying to close, thus slowing down the storm door. Try pulling
down the screen a bit to have air escape when closing the door, or
perhaps adjust the weatherstripping at the bottom to have some air
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Thanks for the response.

I know what the "cause" is - obviously it's air pressure.

"Try pulling down the screen a bit to have air escape when closing
the door"

As I mentioned in my OP, it doesn't help if I lower the window and
expose the screen. The storm still doesn't latch. Even the exposed
screen creates enough "back-pressure" to prevent the door from
latching.

Besides, what would be the point of "letting the air escape" either
through the screen or through the bottom weather stripping?

I want the door to latch so that it seals against the weather
stripping. If I create an opening, don't I just defeat the purpose of
the weather stripping? That's just as inefficient as the door not
latching.

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...
I just installed a storm door this weekend. The door came from the
manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for the top and one for
the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the door-end
of the closure or if the window is lowered exposing the retractable
screen. It just misses latching by about 1/8" if the entry door is
closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door closed, I have
to set the closures so that it slams when the entry door is open.

If I adjust the strike plate outward, then the door doesn't seal as
tightly against the weather stripping.

How do I find the happy medium between all of these variables?

BTW...since this storm door has retractable screens, there is really
no correct "seasonal" setting for the closure pin. The screens might
be used one day but not the next and could be exposed from 1/2" to 1/2
the door. I'm using the "storm in" hole since odds are there will
always be more window than screen.


If this is for your personal home the just misses" latching when the entry
door is closed is the proper setting and about the best you will achieve.

You just need to remember to pull it fully closed each time. For rental
property adjust it to a light slam because they will never take the time to
pull it closed.

I can not even guess how many of these things I have installed over the
years and that is always the choice you have to make.

One thing to keep in mind is to test it from the same open position each
time. The amount of the open affects the closer operation.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit http://www.househomerepair.com

On May 24, 3:09*pm, "Colbyt" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

...





I just installed a storm door this weekend. *The door came from the
manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for the top and one for
the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the door-end
of the closure or if the window is lowered exposing the retractable
screen. It just misses latching by about 1/8" if the entry door is
closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door closed, I have
to set the closures so that it slams when the entry door is open.

If I adjust the strike plate outward, then the door doesn't seal as
tightly against the weather stripping.

How do I find the happy medium between all of these variables?

BTW...since this storm door has retractable screens, there is really
no correct "seasonal" setting for the closure pin. The screens might
be used one day but not the next and could be exposed from 1/2" to 1/2
the door. I'm using the "storm in" hole since odds are there will
always be more window than screen.

If this is for your personal home the just misses" latching when the entry
door *is closed is the proper setting and about the best you will achieve.

You just need to remember to pull it fully closed each time. *For rental
property adjust it to a light slam because they will never take the time to
pull it closed.

I can not even guess how many of these things I have installed over the
years and that is always the choice you have to make.

One thing to keep in mind is to test it from the same open position each
time. *The amount of the open affects the closer operation.

--
Colbyt
Please come visithttp://www.househomerepair.com- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks C.

"You just need to remember to pull it fully closed each time."

Or push it. ;-)

That sucks. I want to walk out of the house, pull the entry door
closed, push the electronic lock button and walk away. I don't want to
have to force the storm door closed against the closures or wait until
they do their thing and then give the door a tiny push to latch it.

Thanks anyway.

Mikepier wrote:
On May 24, 1:48 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I just installed a storm door this weekend. The door came from the
manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for the top and one for
the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the door-end
of the closure or if the window is lowered exposing the retractable
screen. It just misses latching by about 1/8" if the entry door is
closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door closed, I have
to set the closures so that it slams when the entry door is open.

If I adjust the strike plate outward, then the door doesn't seal as
tightly against the weather stripping.

How do I find the happy medium between all of these variables?

BTW...since this storm door has retractable screens, there is really
no correct "seasonal" setting for the closure pin. The screens might
be used one day but not the next and could be exposed from 1/2" to 1/2
the door. I'm using the "storm in" hole since odds are there will
always be more window than screen.

Sounds like air is being trapped between the entry door and storm door
when trying to close, thus slowing down the storm door. Try pulling
down the screen a bit to have air escape when closing the door, or
perhaps adjust the weatherstripping at the bottom to have some air
escape.


....thereby negating the insulating value of the storm door ;-)

"You just need to remember to pull it fully closed each time."

Or push it. ;-)

That sucks. I want to walk out of the house, pull the entry door
closed, push the electronic lock button and walk away. I don't want to
have to force the storm door closed against the closures or wait until
they do their thing and then give the door a tiny push to latch it.

You'll never achieve closure with this closer issue. It's just the way they
work. Mebbe a rubber flap over the outside of a suitably sized hole it the
door to relieve trapped air. Being on the outside of the opening, it would
resist air invasion from the outside.

In ,
DerbyDad03 typed:
I just installed a storm door this weekend. The door came
from the manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for
the top and one for the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the
door with the entry door open, but it "just misses"
latching when the entry door is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the
door-end of the closure or if the window is lowered
exposing the retractable screen. It just misses latching by
about 1/8" if the entry door is closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door
closed, I have to set the closures so that it slams when
the entry door is open.

If I adjust the strike plate outward, then the door doesn't
seal as tightly against the weather stripping.

How do I find the happy medium between all of these
variables?

BTW...since this storm door has retractable screens, there
is really no correct "seasonal" setting for the closure
pin. The screens might be used one day but not the next and
could be exposed from 1/2" to 1/2 the door. I'm using the
"storm in" hole since odds are there will always be more
window than screen.

Most doors, especially those with dual closers, pretty explicitly explain
the process. Also, at the end of the "throw", as the door approaches closed,
there is more pressure exerted; are you so far off you're not getting to
that point?
The comments about the trapped air of course are also all valid. I find
that it may take mine several seconds to actually latch if they don't make
it before the inside door closes, but they do make it. If there isn't enough
natural air escape, create some so the air can go outdoors. Makes it easier
to close doors, too, from the inside.

HTH,

Twayne`

On May 24, 7:50*pm, "Twayne" wrote:
,
DerbyDad03 typed:



I just installed a storm door this weekend. *The door came
from the manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for
the top and one for the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the
door with the entry door open, but it "just misses"
latching when the entry door is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the
door-end of the closure or if the window is lowered
exposing the retractable screen. It just misses latching by
about 1/8" if the entry door is closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door
closed, I have to set the closures so that it slams when
the entry door is open.

If I adjust the strike plate outward, then the door doesn't
seal as tightly against the weather stripping.

How do I find the happy medium between all of these
variables?

BTW...since this storm door has retractable screens, there
is really no correct "seasonal" setting for the closure
pin. The screens might be used one day but not the next and
could be exposed from 1/2" to 1/2 the door. I'm using the
"storm in" hole since odds are there will always be more
window than screen.

Most doors, especially those with dual closers, pretty explicitly explain
the process. Also, at the end of the "throw", as the door approaches closed,
there is more pressure exerted; are you so far off you're not getting to
that point?
* *The comments about the trapped air of course are also all valid. I find
that it may take mine several seconds to actually latch if they don't make
it before the inside door closes, but they do make it. If there isn't enough
natural air escape, create some so the air can go outdoors. Makes it easier
to close doors, too, from the inside.

HTH,

Twayne`

"are you so far off you're not getting to that point? "

I'm not sure what you are asking.

As I said in my OP:

"I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed."

What "point" are you asking me if I'm so far off from?

On Mon, 24 May 2010 10:48:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

Anything hitting the door knob?

On May 24, 10:45*pm, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 10:48:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

Anything hitting the door knob?

It should close with the window partly down just as if the other door
was open., The air pressure build-up with the window open more than
an inch of so is zero. The suggestion that maybe something was
hitting is much more likely.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
I just installed a storm door this weekend. The door came from the
manufacturer (ProVia) with dual closures, one for the top and one for
the bottom.

Here's the issue:

I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

It doesn't matter if I use the winter or summer hole in the door-end
of the closure or if the window is lowered exposing the retractable
screen. It just misses latching by about 1/8" if the entry door is
closed.

If I want it to latch (by itself) with the entry door closed, I have
to set the closures so that it slams when the entry door is open.

Yep. Sometimes they are a bitch.

Are the closers adjustable? Little screw to increase pressure?

On May 24, 11:45*pm, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 10:48:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

Anything hitting the door knob?

No...there is a ton of clearance between the knobs.

Nothing is obstructing the storm door.

On May 25, 1:05*am, "hr(bob) "
wrote:
On May 24, 10:45*pm, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 10:48:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
I can adjust the closures to smoothly close and latch the door with
the entry door open, but it "just misses" latching when the entry door
is closed.

Anything hitting the door knob?

It should close with the window partly down just as if the other door
was open., *The air pressure build-up with the window open more than
an inch of so is zero. *The suggestion that maybe something was
hitting is much more likely.

Nothing is hitting anything. Having seen that issue before, I made
sure that everything would clear as I was installing the door.

re; "The air pressure build-up with the window open more than an inch
of so is zero."

I disagree. Hold a screen up in a breeze and tell me that you don't
notice a decrease in the wind speed. Any decent screen will slow the
air down enough to prevent a "gently closing" closure from latching.
Yes, the air will eventually go through the screen, but once's it's
stop it's travel, it may not start up again, especially since it now
has to overcome the resistance of the latch.

This door have has a fairly substantial "mortise style" latching
mechanism, so it takes a bit of pressure to depress the latch itself.
It's not one of those cheap "clip" latches.

On May 25, 9:24*am, Thomas wrote:
Are the closers adjustable? Little screw to increase pressure?

Read the thread.

On May 25, 10:55*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On May 25, 9:24*am, Thomas wrote:

Are the closers adjustable? Little screw to increase pressure?

Read the thread.

You've been around this group for a while. Did you expect any less
than a total lack of reading comprehension skill from 90% of the
respondents?

On May 26, 11:02*am, wrote:
On May 25, 10:55*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On May 25, 9:24*am, Thomas wrote:

Are the closers adjustable? Little screw to increase pressure?

Read the thread.

You've been around this group for a while. Did you expect any less
than a total lack of reading comprehension skill from 90% of the
respondents?

I can always hope!