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Bob Villa wrote:
On May 19, 2:32 pm, wrote: Whats the difference ? I can get a Sony LCD 32" 720p 60hz. for $ 404.00 A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00 or a Vizio 32" 1080p 120 hz. for $ $548.00 Which is the best buy ? Whats the difference between 720p& 1080p & 60 hz.or 120 hz. Is there really a difference i can see ? -- Dell Inspiron Pentium dual-core 2.2 GHz 2 GB DDR2 SDRAM Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- Bottom line...go with the Sony deal. Hi, Sony has 4 different quality level. Look at the model no. prefix letters. |
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On 05/22/2010 02:31 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Bob Villa wrote: On May 19, 2:32 pm, wrote: Whats the difference ? I can get a Sony LCD 32" 720p 60hz. for $ 404.00 A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00 or a Vizio 32" 1080p 120 hz. for $ $548.00 Which is the best buy ? Whats the difference between 720p& 1080p & 60 hz.or 120 hz. Is there really a difference i can see ? -- Dell Inspiron Pentium dual-core 2.2 GHz 2 GB DDR2 SDRAM Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- Bottom line...go with the Sony deal. Hi, Sony has 4 different quality level. Look at the model no. prefix letters. Between 720p and 1080p there is a noticeable difference, but probably only if you are watching OTA TV in 1080i/p, have HD cable, are using the TV as a monitor, or are watching Blu-Ray discs. I have a 720p TV/monitor and a 1080p TV/monitor, and the 1080p one ended up on my desk because it is just so superior to the other one as a computer monitor, even though I like it better as a TV as well. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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aemeijers wrote: Of course, I am not talking about modern miniature stereos, DVD players, and tiny speakers. The cables that come with those look like fishing line to me. Ha. Maybe I should fabricate a 2AWG cable for my ipod's earbuds. |
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On Sat, 22 May 2010 06:48:41 -0400, aemeijers wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: "Ron" wrote Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to fame with speaker wire in the past. At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables. Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive speaker wires versus lamp cord. No difference. Did their study note that the quality of the connections can make a difference? I use a thick gauge of lamp cord instead of fancy speaker wire, because I am a cheap SOB, but all my vintage sound equipment uses push-in or binding post connections. For sound and video applications where the cable needs ends put on it, the connectors on the cheaper pre-mades are usually crap. The gold-plated connectors are probably meaningless unless you live on a beach, but a quality connector and a decent gauge of wire probably helps. Of course, I am not talking about modern miniature stereos, DVD players, and tiny speakers. The cables that come with those look like fishing line to me. Ends matter in that they make reliable connection. The performance of difference between connectors, at least up into the very high RF frequencies, isn't meaningful. Even TVs use crappy 'F' connectors without signal degradation. For speakers, zip (lamp) cord works extremely well. AWG16 or better should be used for more than a couple of feet, but as you note, it's cheap. Termination is a matter of convenience, not signal integrity. "Oxygen-free" is a scam. "Monster" anything is a scam. Buying cables from BustBuy is a scam. The only thing they make more money on than extended warranties is cables. $75 for a $3 cable isn't bad work, if you can get it. |
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On Sat, 22 May 2010 13:19:34 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 22 May 2010 06:48:41 -0400, wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: wrote Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to fame with speaker wire in the past. At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables. Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive speaker wires versus lamp cord. No difference. Did their study note that the quality of the connections can make a difference? I use a thick gauge of lamp cord instead of fancy speaker wire, because I am a cheap SOB, but all my vintage sound equipment uses push-in or binding post connections. For sound and video applications where the cable needs ends put on it, the connectors on the cheaper pre-mades are usually crap. The gold-plated connectors are probably meaningless unless you live on a beach, but a quality connector and a decent gauge of wire probably helps. Of course, I am not talking about modern miniature stereos, DVD players, and tiny speakers. The cables that come with those look like fishing line to me. Ends matter in that they make reliable connection. The performance of difference between connectors, at least up into the very high RF frequencies, isn't meaningful. Even TVs use crappy 'F' connectors without signal degradation. For speakers, zip (lamp) cord works extremely well. AWG16 or better should be used for more than a couple of feet, but as you note, it's cheap. Termination is a matter of convenience, not signal integrity. "Oxygen-free" is a scam. "Monster" anything is a scam. Buying cables from BustBuy is a scam. The only thing they make more money on than extended warranties is cables. $75 for a $3 cable isn't bad work, if you can get it. Hi, In this world there are full of scammers and scammed. They support each other. Certainly. A small amount of education would put them out of business. On RF at extreme low level signal like -100db or below range cable quality and connections matter and skin effect comes into play but on audio range? -100db what? Decibels is a relative scale. Connectors don't matter until the frequency gets very high indeed. Skin effect of cables (not connectors) can matter, but not at audio frequencies in speaker cables. Cable TV signal is way TOO strong in most cases. Irrelevant and not true at all, by my experience. |
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G. Morgan wrote:
aemeijers wrote: aem sends... ^^^^^^^^^^ what does that mean? I've been meaning to ask you for years ;-) Means I worked for the government too many years. Back before the real world had email, the government had something in-between e-mail and old-style telegrams. Had to have specific formats. Whoever wrote the words, even if some drone actually walked downstairs to the electro-mechanical terminal to send them, got to put their initials at the bottom as author. (so they could be praised or flagellated later as needed.) I probably oughta to come up with a normal sig file, but after this many years, I'm kind of used to it. -- aem sends.. |
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On Sat, 22 May 2010 16:13:24 -0400, aemeijers wrote:
G. Morgan wrote: aemeijers wrote: aem sends... ^^^^^^^^^^ what does that mean? I've been meaning to ask you for years ;-) Means I worked for the government too many years. Back before the real world had email, the government had something in-between e-mail and old-style telegrams. Had to have specific formats. Whoever wrote the words, even if some drone actually walked downstairs to the electro-mechanical terminal to send them, got to put their initials at the bottom as author. (so they could be praised or flagellated later as needed.) I probably oughta to come up with a normal sig file, but after this many years, I'm kind of used to it. We'd all miss it too. |
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Ron wrote:
On May 22, 7:53 am, wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2010 21:56:54 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote: "Ron" wrote Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to fame with speaker wire in the past. At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables. Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive speaker wires versus lamp cord. No difference. That is a bit incomplete. Although the claims of premium cable companies such as Monster are mostly fairy tails, lamp cord in many applications would be too small a gauge to carry the signal properly, especially as the length of the run increases. I would agree that any generic wire of the same size would be fine. Monster tends to be in larger gauges than lamp cord. Size (and good connections) is what matters most. Advertising and marketing hype... not so much. The bottom line is, a LOT of people buy monster cable because they think it's gonna make their stereo sound better, when in fact people can't tell the difference between coat hangers and MC. But true audiophiles *think* they can hear a significant difference. So they fall for all kinds of scams. Try crosposting this thread to an audiophile newsgroup (no - please don't). |
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On Sat, 22 May 2010 20:35:03 -0500, bud-- wrote:
Ron wrote: On May 22, 7:53 am, wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2010 21:56:54 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote: "Ron" wrote Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to fame with speaker wire in the past. At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables. Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive speaker wires versus lamp cord. No difference. That is a bit incomplete. Although the claims of premium cable companies such as Monster are mostly fairy tails, lamp cord in many applications would be too small a gauge to carry the signal properly, especially as the length of the run increases. I would agree that any generic wire of the same size would be fine. Monster tends to be in larger gauges than lamp cord. Size (and good connections) is what matters most. Advertising and marketing hype... not so much. The bottom line is, a LOT of people buy monster cable because they think it's gonna make their stereo sound better, when in fact people can't tell the difference between coat hangers and MC. But true audiophiles *think* they can hear a significant difference. So they fall for all kinds of scams. Try crosposting this thread to an audiophile newsgroup (no - please don't). The correct term is "audiophool". |
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On Sat, 22 May 2010 15:04:44 -0500, "
wrote: On Sat, 22 May 2010 13:19:34 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote: wrote: On Sat, 22 May 2010 06:48:41 -0400, wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: wrote Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to fame with speaker wire in the past. At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables. Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive speaker wires versus lamp cord. No difference. Did their study note that the quality of the connections can make a difference? I use a thick gauge of lamp cord instead of fancy speaker wire, because I am a cheap SOB, but all my vintage sound equipment uses push-in or binding post connections. For sound and video applications where the cable needs ends put on it, the connectors on the cheaper pre-mades are usually crap. The gold-plated connectors are probably meaningless unless you live on a beach, but a quality connector and a decent gauge of wire probably helps. Of course, I am not talking about modern miniature stereos, DVD players, and tiny speakers. The cables that come with those look like fishing line to me. Ends matter in that they make reliable connection. The performance of difference between connectors, at least up into the very high RF frequencies, isn't meaningful. Even TVs use crappy 'F' connectors without signal degradation. For speakers, zip (lamp) cord works extremely well. AWG16 or better should be used for more than a couple of feet, but as you note, it's cheap. Termination is a matter of convenience, not signal integrity. "Oxygen-free" is a scam. "Monster" anything is a scam. Buying cables from BustBuy is a scam. The only thing they make more money on than extended warranties is cables. $75 for a $3 cable isn't bad work, if you can get it. Hi, In this world there are full of scammers and scammed. They support each other. Certainly. A small amount of education would put them out of business. On RF at extreme low level signal like -100db or below range cable quality and connections matter and skin effect comes into play but on audio range? -100db what? Decibels is a relative scale. Connectors don't matter until the frequency gets very high indeed. Skin effect of cables (not connectors) can matter, but not at audio frequencies in speaker cables. Cable TV signal is way TOO strong in most cases. Irrelevant and not true at all, by my experience. Cable techs install more attenuators to solve picture quality issues than amps. Overdriving the tuner IS a real issue |
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On Mon, 24 May 2010 22:32:19 -0500, "
wrote: You say: "Well, duh! That's the way the system is designed (pads are a *lot* cheaper than amplifiers and once the signal is in the mud no amplifier can help it", and yet you say we are wrong saying too strong a signal is more common than too weak Methinks you just want to be argumentative |
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On May 24, 7:46*pm, wrote:
Cable techs install more attenuators to solve picture quality issues than amps. Overdriving the tuner IS a real issue I've never had a problem with a cable signal being too strong. Just the opposite. In the last 3 homes that I've lived in the signal was too weak once it was split inside the home to multiple TVs (3 or more). Amps installed every time. |
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On Tue, 25 May 2010 23:17:21 -0500, "
wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:35:45 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 24 May 2010 22:32:19 -0500, " wrote: You say: "Well, duh! That's the way the system is designed (pads are a *lot* cheaper than amplifiers and once the signal is in the mud no amplifier can help it", and yet you say we are wrong saying too strong a signal is more common than too weak I'll try to go more slowly for you this time... Theoretically the system once worked. As the system ages the signal level *drops* as cables and whatnot become lossy. Methinks you just want to be argumentative Meknows you can't read, or think. No, if the cable company repairs the lines outside or replaces part of their "plant" the signal can become too strong. The itty bit of cable inside the average residence is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Then too, if you go to digital cable they replace ALL the cable inside with 100% sheilded cable too. I've personally had it happen several times. Have the attenuators to prove it. First time was with the standard cable in my own home. Second and third times at office. Last time with the new sheilded cable at home. |
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